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    Default British Experimental Tanks

    Here are some Brit Experimental Tanks that you didn't see yet.

    Super Heavy Tank A1E1


    ???



    British Light Tank A4EM


    This one is designed and manufactured in New Zealand


    New Zealand Schofield01 Light Tank


    British TOG II


    The "Very Funny" Sherman Lulu! )


    Vickers Aleckto



    Again. Credits to the guys who uploaded it somewhere in the Web!
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    2nd. picture from top - Vickers Armstrong Wheel cum Track

    Vickers took a Mark 1 Medium Tank and built a solid tyre retractable wheel assembly at each end. The engine, using a power takeoff from the gearbox, could lower the wheels to lift the tracks just clear of the road. The system worked but the crew considered the ride to be unpleasant. The vehicle pitched for and aft on the suspension. All the external devices on the vehicle were considered vulnerable to hostile fire.

    http: //mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/GreatBritain/GB-VickersArmstrongWheel-cum-Track.jpg

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    Picture 4 is a "Bob Semple" Tank, pretty much state of the art, for NZ armoured vehicles in 1940.
    If ever the horrid thing had gone into combat, it would have lasted about 7 seconds.
    It was basically a Caterpillar tractor (bulldozer, some half-ton in weight) clad in boilerplate, then fitted with corrugated plates to the exterior, and the space between the two filled with gravel and concrete. Basically, concrete boxing on tracks.
    Armament was 3 Lewis guns, ex WW1 MMG's, with about 250 rounds each.
    Some 6 were actually built, but even the Army, and the "HomeGuard" didn't like, nor want them, despite being "desperate" for Armoured Vehicles of any kind.

    The Schofield Tank, picture 5, was almost worthwhile, but was only ever made as a prototype, as far as I recall.

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    I'm 99.99% sure there's a Super Heavy Tank A1E1 in the Bovington tank museum. Good excuse for a visit to find out!
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    The Volunteer's book of facts 1863

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    Quote Originally Posted by student-scaley View Post
    I'm 99.99% sure there's a Super Heavy Tank A1E1 in the Bovington tank museum. Good excuse for a visit to find out!
    There is, and it is the only survivor of its' class outside Russia.
    The T35 at Kublinka is pretty much the stepson, if not outright son, of the A1E1, because the Russians obtained the plans and data for the A1E1 through espionage and built the T35 based on the A1E1 "Independant" information.
    To all intents, you may as well call the British vehicle and the Russian copy father and son.

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    In fact I have a photo of it!

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    The Volunteer's book of facts 1863

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Picture 4 is a "Bob Semple" Tank, pretty much state of the art, for NZ armoured vehicles in 1940.
    If ever the horrid thing had gone into combat, it would have lasted about 7 seconds.
    It was basically a Caterpillar tractor (bulldozer, some half-ton in weight) clad in boilerplate, then fitted with corrugated plates to the exterior, and the space between the two filled with gravel and concrete. Basically, concrete boxing on tracks.
    Armament was 3 Lewis guns, ex WW1 MMG's, with about 250 rounds each.
    Some 6 were actually built, but even the Army, and the "HomeGuard" didn't like, nor want them, despite being "desperate" for Armoured Vehicles of any kind.

    The Schofield Tank, picture 5, was almost worthwhile, but was only ever made as a prototype, as far as I recall.

    Kind Regards, Uyraell.
    And here I thought it was a tactical agriculture machine for use in Oz, so a farmer would be able to defend his fields from the Rabbits.

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    Interesting that "over and under" tank. The Black Prince was always my favorite in this matter.

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    British TOG II and more added in the first post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    And here I thought it was a tactical agriculture machine for use in Oz, so a farmer would be able to defend his fields from the Rabbits.

    The funny part about that was, that Australia did actually produce a series of indigenous armoured vehicles, based on M3 medium components, particularly chassis and drivetrain. The best to emerge was a beasty called AC1 Sentinel, versions of which eventually carried a 75mm cannon as in the M4 Sherman, and a 76.2 mm cannon as in 17-pdr Firefly in a later incarnation of the same Sentinel. There was a Fire Support Version made as well, which at one stage carried a 25pdr, and at another stage carried a 105mm howitzer. The Fire Support version retained the rotating turret of the original Sentinel.
    In addition, there was an Australian "home-grown" equivalent of both M7 Priest and Sexton, also based on the M3 medium chassis. Further to that, there was also an Australian "home-grown" BARV based on the M3 medium chassis, which unique vehicle still exists to this day.

    Taken over-all the Aussies did a damn fine job of designing and producing the tank family they did, considering there was no history of such production in Australia prior to 1939.

    By shameful contrast, New Zealand had nothing comparable, nor made any effort of note to do so.

    Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.
    Last edited by Uyraell; 08-05-2010 at 11:44 PM.

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    The Black Prince was always my favorite in this matter.
    Me too. But the bad news is, it didn't got to war. Hope it's still is used by the UK until 1950.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jungleguerilla View Post
    Me too. But the bad news is, it didn't got to war. Hope it's still is used by the UK until 1950.
    I'm not certain more than one example of the Black Prince (A43) tank survives. Memory insists that the trials series of vehicles/protoypes had all been scrapped by 1952 at the very latest.
    The A43 was, despite being a relatively good design, over-weight and underpowered, as it had been produced (unfortunately) prior to the availability of the Rolls Royce Meteor engine (RR Merlin adapted as a tank motor, mass-produced by Rover, and employed in the Cromwell, Comet, and Centurion) which was a thirsty but more than adequate powerplant. Memory says that the Black Prince was not able to accept the Meteor powerplant because unlike the Cromwell it had not been designed to accept a replacement powerplant once one became available.
    I admit I'm open to correction as regards this last point, above.

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    A image of the TOG I, with a Matilda II turret. The superheavy tank an diesel-electric drive, not unlike some Mr Porsche designs.



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    A image of the TOG I, with a Matilda II turret. The superheavy tank an diesel-electric drive, not unlike some Mr Porsche designs.


    That British TOG I Tank looks more alike to a Mark 1 Tank of WW1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jungleguerilla View Post
    That British TOG I Tank looks more alike to a Mark 1 Tank of WW1.
    I think it was designed by a group that was invoved in WW1 tank design.The acronym TOG stood for The Old Gang.

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