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Thread: Should Rudolph Hess have been kept in Prison for all his lfe?

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    Default Re: Should Rudolph Hess have been kept in Prison for all his lfe?

    Quote Originally Posted by horst View Post
    ...I think Hess had the power, as Rising Sun said, he was the 2iC of the Third Reich...

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    Then you didn't understand the point of my statement.

    I said, "..It would have been nice if Stalin and Hitler had been able to fight WW II supported only by their respective political parties but history seldom presents with such conveniently just opportunities.."

    My intent was to indicate that only members of the Nazi Party and Communist Party should have been required to fight and shed their blood in WW II in support of their respective monstrous ideologies and that ordinary Germans and Russians should have been able to have been left in peace, as well as the citizens of the Western Democracies who clearly had no wish to participate in such an insane war. Of course, given the realities of national politics, this happy state of affairs was not within anyone's power to arrange.

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    Not sure or positive that Hess really was insane, which is a rather broad brush category in any case. There seems to be ample evidence that Hess's flight was done in full collusion with Hitler (Quest Searching for the Truth of Germany's Past, Frank Brandenburg, (with numerous citations in the book). It would have been a very cheap way for Hitler to avoid having that "unsinkable aircraft carrier" off Europe's shore. The ONLY way for Hess to make the flight was to know the top secret "open lanes" in Germany's anti-aircraft defenses and this knowledge would only have been available to him with Hitler's permission. When the British dealt with him as if he didn't exist, Hitler and Goebbels possessed the necessary plausible deniability to say that he was off his rocker - but then, wasn't nearly everyone at the top Nazi leadership "off his rocker"? He may have been unbalanced, but insane? I doubt it.

    Should he have been imprisoned so long? Probably not.
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    I agree with Raising Sun. Probably Hess knew things that could not be revealed. He had is responsabilities in what happened since 1933 to his "crazy" flight over Scotland in 1941, and at the time he was the no. 2 of Nazism, but other German leaders with no less blame had better judgement.

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    Default Re: Should Rudolph Hess have been kept in Prison for all his lfe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard View Post
    My intent was to indicate that only members of the Nazi Party and Communist Party should have been required to fight and shed their blood in WW II in support of their respective monstrous ideologies and that ordinary Germans and Russians should have been able to have been left in peace, as well as the citizens of the Western Democracies who clearly had no wish to participate in such an insane war. Of course, given the realities of national politics, this happy state of affairs was not within anyone's power to arrange.
    Reminds me of that show, TROY, with Brad Bitt. When Achilles said to King Agamemnon, "Imagine a king who fights his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight."

    Yea, imagine Hitler and Stalin having a knife fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaf Smith View Post
    Reminds me of that show, TROY, with Brad Bitt. When Achilles said to King Agamemnon, "Imagine a king who fights his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight."

    Yea, imagine Hitler and Stalin having a knife fight.

    Deaf
    Which takes many of us back to childhood when we couldn't understand why the bosses didn't fight the wars they started.

    But after a bit of life experience we realised that the bosses are bosses because they get others to do the work, whether it's war or commerce (and the two tend to overlap for the super bosses).

    Rather than Hitler and Stalin having a knife fight, imagine what would have happened or, more accurately, not happened if millions of youths and young men had said in countless wars "No! We're not fighting. We want to live in a world without war!"

    Hard to work out which is the greater fantasy, but if nobody fought the world would be a better place.
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    Default Re: Should Rudolph Hess have been kept in Prison for all his lfe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Rather than Hitler and Stalin having a knife fight, imagine what would have happened or, more accurately, not happened if millions of youths and young men had said in countless wars "No! We're not fighting. We want to live in a world without war!"

    Hard to work out which is the greater fantasy, but if nobody fought the world would be a better place.
    Good point,

    John Lennon’s "Imagine" comes to mind.

    From a different perspective I have heard that the Palestinians and the Israelis would end their wars when they love their children more than they hate their enemies. You could substitutes the two countries or nations mentioned here with others.

    I remember learning at university that Economists make the two assumptions (1) people make decisions based on perfect information and (2) people make rational decisions.

    As Rising Sun's signature suggests, neither of those assumptions are true.
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    The little girl saw her first troop parade and asked, 'What are those?'

    'Soldiers.'

    'What are soldiers?'

    'They are for war. They fight and each tries to kill as many of the other side as they can.'

    The girl held still and studied. 'Do you know ... I know something.'

    'Yes, what is it you know?'

    'Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come.'

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    A rational army would run away.
    Montesquieu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice View Post
    I remember learning at university that Economists make the two assumptions (1) people make decisions based on perfect information and (2) people make rational decisions.
    Yes, (1) The sharemarket works on perfect information which, to the extent it exists, is confined to insiders (which makes it rather pointless for the regulators to get upset about insider trading as that's what makes the profits) and (2) the herd mentality in a rising or falling market overwhelms any semblance of rationality.

    Talk about the dismal science!
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    Default Re: Should Rudolph Hess have been kept in Prison for all his lfe?

    he was the second in line in the Nazi party...his dropping into Scotland spared him the rope IMO.

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