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    Default Sukhoi T-50 prototype unveiled

    And finally, honorable ladies and gentlemen – that long-awaited birdie is here with us!

    Please, just follow these links:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7007913.ece

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

    http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20100129/157716197.html

    In the meantime, as always - all the best!
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    Default Re: Sukhoi T-50 prototype unvailed

    God damn, that is a beautiful looking bird, we should get some loan from Chavez to buy 50 or 60.

    remember me a bit to the late YF-23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    God damn, that is a beautiful looking bird, we should get some loan from Chavez to buy 50 or 60.

    remember me a bit to the late YF-23.

    In memory of that beautiful bird, for you PK.


    digger

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    Default Re: Sukhoi T-50 prototype unvailed

    Veeerry Gooood Digger. is that beautiful bird still flying today ?

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    Default Re: Sukhoi T-50 prototype unvailed

    Interesting...are the Russians still continuing development of their other more notable projects such as the Su-37/47?


    Moving to military side of forum...

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    Yes, my dear gentlemen, you are absolutely right – the Northrop YF 23 indeed was a truly beautiful machine! Thank you very much for that gorgeous photo, my dear Mr. Digger!

    You know, back there in the nineties, I also have had a strange feeling that the USAF actually favored the less sophisticated aircraft. But, after all, who am I to say that…

    And here is one adequate snapshot of our special guest star:



    Sukhoi T 50

    Yes - honestly, I really like that birdie!
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    It has to be said that the T-50 looks awfully like yet another Flanker derivative. The engine and air intake positioning, position of the IR Search & Track system, even the vertical stabilisers. All they seem to have done is modify the body with a chine and fit it with a delta wing.
    Also, I rather suspect the RCS will be rather high for this aircraft, although how much is down to the fact that this is a prototype is unclear. There are a lot of details that suggest it isn't designed for very low RCS however - notably the fact that the air-intakes appear to be straight through to the engines, and the gap between the air intake and the fuselage to divert boundary layer air. Bot are hard to change and are likely to give a significant RCS increase.
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    Oh, don't worry, my dear Mr. Pdf 27: this is only a prototype, with certain capabilities in this moment, but our birdie surely will evolve in the next 5 years or so (for example, now it does not have a finalized engine).

    After all – just remember the story behind the old MiG 21 variant E-8:

    http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoy...ages/e82_1.jpg

    Airplane engineering business always was and still is a creative business, and I am pretty sure that those Russian experts do know what their job is. You know, I still do remember those incredible days in June of 1989 at Le Bourget, when the Su 27 was openly presented for the first time. Initially, numerous experts stood in disbelief, and after that they sparkled in jealousy. But, after all, even engineers are only human beings…

    BTW: do you know that the good old low RCS F 117 in a metric-wave radar field gleamed like a Christmas three back there in 1999? Our colonel Danyi Zoltán, commander of the 250th Air Defense Missile Brigade, who improved our good old Soviet P-18M Spoon Rest metric-band target acquisition radar, was able to detect all those stealth aircrafts without any problem. Who knows – perhaps the whole VLO aircraft story is a completely wrong path in the combat aircraft history. Nevertheless, I like those fresh Sukhoi shapes in spite of that possibility.

    In the meantime, as always - all the best!
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    Yeah, I'm just a little disappointed in it, that's all. If given the chance, Russian engineers can produce some fantastic aircraft, I've just got a niggling feeling that this time around they're working to a budget, not a specification.

    And it's no surprise that the F-117 was very obvious to metre-wave radars - it was only ever designed to be stealthy to much shorter wavelength guidance radars. In a real war situation, of course, any stealth aircraft would be operating in an environment where both sides are employing a lot of electronic warfare, SEAD assets, etc. (unless of course they really screw up as NATO did over Serbia and fly exactly the same route at low level repeatedly!). More modern stealth aircraft have reduced signature over wider bands, but are still less effective against longer wavelengths.
    Finally, remember that the F-117 is a very old aircraft now - in service for over 30 years - so reduced performance against modern threats is perhaps hardly surprising!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Veeerry Gooood Digger. is that beautiful bird still flying today ?
    Unfortunately the YF-23 programme has been cancelled in favour of the F-35.

    I think the YF-23 is the more attractive aircraft between the two.

    digger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    Unfortunately the YF-23 programme has been cancelled in favour of the F-35....
    The F-22 Raptor actually. You're thinking of another Boeing project that was nicked in favor of the F-35. It was the Boeing XF-32, and the rumor was that it lost the competition (after initially being the victor) largely because it was the most hideous, butt-ugly aircraft ever designed:





    Here's a link from American Public Television's Nova: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcr...4_xplanes.html

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    The problem of t-50 is that it is designed as both fighter and the ground strike airplane. Meaning it is not best in neither of the categories. This can be seen as both advantage and disadvantage.
    But IMHO rather disadvantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The F-22 Raptor actually. You're thinking of another Boeing project that was nicked in favor of the F-35. It was the Boeing XF-32, and the rumor was that it lost the competition (after initially being the victor) largely because it was the most hideous, butt-ugly aircraft ever designed:





    Here's a link from American Public Television's Nova: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcr...4_xplanes.html
    Shishhh! you are right about that one ! one of the most hideous flying machine ever manufactured !

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    Ahem
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    Default Re: Sukhoi T-50 prototype unvailed

    It's a boat!, it's a plane! No, it's a Walrus !

    No seriously, I was thinking of modern aircrafts. I actually like the Walrus.
    very sturdy and versatile aircraft, and amphibious. Also the fact that it was this plane that fished downed RAF pilots out of the channel during the BoB.

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