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    The way the US Civil War was defined to me in highschool was:
    "It was the first war where death was dealt on a mechanised scale, and where medical facilities (primitive though they were) were almost able to keep up, and where the naval aspects introduced things not seen in previous centuries, such as submersibles, and torpedoes/ attached charges."

    Yes, one could pick fault with that definition, however, I regard it as the first "modern" war, whereas Napoleon versus Wellington circa 60 years earlier was but little removed from the mediaeval era that spawned it.
    Similarly, the Crimean war carried more overtones of the Napoleonic era than ever it did of the modernised warfare seen in the American conflict.

    TG, I have found this a most informative and interesting Thread, for which, My Thanks, my friend.

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    You are graciously welcome Uyraell, I'll find some other tidbits to post as time goes by.

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    Knoxville in the 1860's was located mostly on the North side of the Tennessee River The majority of the hill forts were located on the South bank, and given the lack of bridges there a pontoon bridge was constructed by the Union. This provided for the movement of troops, and supplies to and from the Hill forts. The location was between the mouth of First Creek, and Gay Street which now has a bridge. Presently the old bridge's location is occupied by a tourist river boat. The image of the pontoon bridge is not that of the Knoxville site,(none are available to post) but illustrates the construction well enough.
    During the futile attack on Ft. D i c kerson by Wheeler's forces, troops from the smaller and less defensible forts were withdrawn into the City on this bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    Knoxville in the 1860's was located mostly on the North side of the Tennessee River The majority of the hill forts were located on the South bank, and given the lack of bridges there a pontoon bridge was constructed by the Union. This provided for the movement of troops, and supplies to and from the Hill forts. The location was between the mouth of First Creek, and Gay Street which now has a bridge. Presently the old bridge's location is occupied by a tourist river boat. The image of the pontoon bridge is not that of the Knoxville site,(none are available to post) but illustrates the construction well enough.
    During the futile attack on Ft. ****erson by Wheeler's forces, troops from the smaller and less defensible forts were withdrawn into the City on this bridge.

    TG, a question here. Were such pontoon bridges able to be withdrawn from the far bank, i.e. swung back to the defended bank, as in Roman times? Or, where they permanently anchored?

    I've never quite understood which way they were employed or anchored during the Civil War era.

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    I'm wondering perhaps if it would make a fine thread to split the discussion of the technological advancements during the American Civil War out into a different topic?

    Incidentally, it is my understanding that the U.S. Civil War not only spawned new tactics and technologies that would resonate for decades, but also advancements were made postwar with entire new medical fields created and techniques advanced such as plastic surgery and in the modernization of prosthetics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I'm wondering perhaps if it would make a fine thread to split the discussion of the technological advancements during the American Civil War out into a different topic?

    Incidentally, it is my understanding that the U.S. Civil War not only spawned new tactics and technologies that would resonate for decades, but also advancements were made postwar with entire new medical fields created and techniques advanced such as plastic surgery and in the modernization of prosthetics...
    Fine by me Nick,go ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    TG, a question here. Were such pontoon bridges able to be withdrawn from the far bank, i.e. swung back to the defended bank, as in Roman times? Or, where they permanently anchored?

    I've never quite understood which way they were employed or anchored during the Civil War era.

    Kind Regards, Uyraell.
    I looked for information regarding that question, but couldn't find anything. So my guess would be that they may have foreseen the need of such a feature, or maybe they figured several sticks of dynamite would solve the problem were it to arise.
    I agree Nick, I have seen info about that subject, as well as treatment for neurological disorders resulting from shell shock. In hindsight these advances would save many peoples lives during WW1, and would allow many to lead a better life after it was over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I'm wondering perhaps if it would make a fine thread to split the discussion of the technological advancements during the American Civil War out into a different topic?
    It might be a slow thread but I think there is a useful line of development to be drawn from there. Although some of it might also be drawn from the Crimean War which some say was the first modern war, and which to some degree informed the participants in the American Civil War and which to some degree they failed to learn from. http://www.americancivilwar.org.uk/n...ission_119.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Incidentally, it is my understanding that the U.S. Civil War not only spawned new tactics and technologies that would resonate for decades, but also advancements were made postwar with entire new medical fields created and techniques advanced such as plastic surgery and in the modernization of prosthetics...
    Also treatment of POWS. I remember as a kid being horrified by descriptions of Civil War POW camps, I think on both sides but from distant memory I think it might have been worse for Northern prisoners held by the South (or maybe that just reflects the victor's version?). I had read about the way the way Allied prisoners were treated in WWI and WWII but, in my childish ignorance, I had assumed that the Americans would not have treated their own people quite badly, even allowing for an earlier time being less gentle.
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    I know little of the POW situation of that time, I know only about Andersonville prison in Georgia, a Confederate operation where many thousands died of Mal-nutrition & related diseases, as well as foul water due to poor sanitation practices, and sadly, through predation by other prisoners. Capt. Henry Wirz ran the place, and was executed for his role in that mess. It was said that he was not an American, but German, or Austrian, but I cant be certain of that at all. I am planning to visit Andersonville this year, I'll post what I find there.
    The Union had a notorious prison as well,( I personally think they were all notorious, but these are the worst of them) Camp Douglas in Chicago Ill. I have no details, but it was said to be at least as bad there as at Andersonville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    I know little of the POW situation of that time, I know only about Andersonville prison in Georgia, a Confederate operation where many thousands died of Mal-nutrition & related diseases, as well as foul water due to poor sanitation practices, and sadly, through predation by other prisoners. Capt. Henry Wirz ran the place, and was executed for his role in that mess. It was said that he was not an American, but German, or Austrian, but I cant be certain of that at all. I am planning to visit Andersonville this year, I'll post what I find there.
    The Union had a notorious prison as well,( I personally think they were all notorious, but these are the worst of them) Camp Douglas in Chicago Ill. I have no details, but it was said to be at least as bad there as at Andersonville.
    Andersonville, which rings a distant bell, is probably the prison I had in mind.

    I have some recollection that Wirz, like others executed after wars by victors, might not have deserved his fate, but I can't recall why.
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    I have heard that as well, scapegoats are all too common in Human warfare. Wirz being the commandant, particularly if he were foreign would make the choice easy. Brutal stuff, but I'm looking through eyes of today, and not those of that time and level of consciousness.

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