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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    That is interesting.
    So can you summorise in your own words, please.

    In the mean while you can read the text of the oath writen by Cossack leader Pyotr Krasnov himself:

    «I swear and promise in front of the God Almighty and The Holly Gosspel, that I will be faithful to The Leader of the New Europe and The German nation - Adolf Hitler, whom I will faithfully serve and battle against Bolshevism, selflessly and to the last drop of my blood.

    I will whole-heartedly follow all the laws and orders issued by the superiors assigned by the Leader of the German nation - Adolf Hitler.

    In a field, in fortresses, in trenches, on seas,in the sky and on land, everywhere in battle I will bravely fight the enemy and will serve faithfully together with the German armed forces protecting New Europe and my dear army against the Bolshevik slavery and until comlete victory over Bolshevism and its allies.
    ...»

    BTW, "and its allies" is you - Canada.
    From what I have read Peter Krasnov had fought against the Bolsheviks since the October Revolution, so nothing had changed in his thinking.

    Not sure what this has to do the repatriation of forced labourers to Siberia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rav4 View Post
    From what I have read Peter Krasnov had fought against the Bolsheviks since the October Revolution, so nothing had changed in his thinking.
    Well, something must have changed because judging from the contect of the oath Mr. Krasnov was fighting for "New Europe" and "the leader Adolf Hitler".

    Not sure what this has to do the repatriation of forced labourers to Siberia?
    it has something to do with the links you posted previously. Unless of course their have nothing to do with the topic either.


    So "repatriation of the forced labourers to Siberia" - can you please make an overview of the subject and mention who, when and how many were send to Siberia for which charges.
    Else it is difficult to have a discussion without specific points mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Well, something must have changed because judging from the contect of the oath Mr. Krasnov was fighting for "New Europe" and "the leader Adolf Hitler".

    it has something to do with the links you posted previously. Unless of course their have nothing to do with the topic either.


    So "repatriation of the forced labourers to Siberia" - can you please make an overview of the subject and mention who, when and how many were send to Siberia for which charges.
    Else it is difficult to have a discussion without specific points mentioned.
    I think that Krasnov was more interested in fighting Stalin, and he would have sided with anyone who was opposed to him.

    “How many were sent to Siberia?” Who can answer such a question? How many perished in the Gulag? I suspect that even the Russian government could not answer such questions. My remark in post #11 refers to forced labours being sent to Siberia, and I think some of the links I have provided substantiates that as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rav4 View Post
    I think that Krasnov was more interested in fighting Stalin, and he would have sided with anyone who was opposed to him.
    Exactly! Quite stupid on his part.
    “How many were sent to Siberia?” Who can answer such a question? How many perished in the Gulag? I suspect that even the Russian government could not answer such questions. My remark in post #11 refers to forced labours being sent to Siberia, and I think some of the links I have provided substantiates that as fact.
    Well you did not say anything specific about the subject except some anti Soviet slogans. It is not cool, man.

    If you have a point, then please be free to present it and back it up your self. I will be glad to discuss to the best of my ability and time available.

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    I’m sorry if you think that some of the articles were anti Soviet but some of the comments were not exactly pro British or American either. It has always bothered me, being born in England, that Winston Churchill was involved in the repatriation of Russians from Europe, and now I read that a future Prim Minister, Anthony Eden was also involved. Do you believe that everything stated in those articles about the Allies is correct, and the comments about the Soviets are wrong?

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    I don't mind them being anti-Soviet, but there should be balance to everything.
    Author of one of the articles errorneously pedals the view in which USSR was somehow guilty in the death of Soviet POWs in German captivity. Then he speaks of repatriation of Cossacks from Lienz. Those were Nazi collaborators fighting for "New Europe" and "Leader Adolf Hitler", regardless of their relation to Communist goverment. Only their liders were executed. The rest of them were sent to exile, from which they were released in 1955. I will give you a couple of quotes about it in the next post.
    And then there is the article about repatriation of Ukrainians wrom the western territories. Piculiarly enough it is apealing in the the first paragraph to Geneva Convention. How can one reffer to the Geneva Convention of 1949 to analise the event taking place several years earlier?

    In the mean while the fact is that out of app. 4.2 millions displaced Soviet citizens only 6.5% (app. 275000) were subject to background check. And it does not mean that all of them were prosecuted after that.

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    I think some folks confuse the Russian people with the totalitarian government of the USSR.

    Under Stalin, nobody buy him made the rules.
    He was a madman of near un rivalled proprtions.

    He so disrespected his own people he instituted the military rules forbidding any kind of surrender or being captured.
    He felt they needed that for motivation.

    His minions were willing and capable of performing any actions they were directed to do.

    Including murdering or sending to Gulags anybody they were directed to.

    The Russian people eventually overthrew this system and are still struggling to get things right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forager View Post
    I think some folks confuse the Russian people with the totalitarian government of the USSR.

    Under Stalin, nobody buy him made the rules.
    He was a madman of near un rivalled proprtions.

    He so disrespected his own people he instituted the military rules forbidding any kind of surrender or being captured.
    He felt they needed that for motivation.

    His minions were willing and capable of performing any actions they were directed to do.

    Including murdering or sending to Gulags anybody they were directed to.

    The Russian people eventually overthrew this system and are still struggling to get things right.
    I really hope that you don’t think I am talking about the Russian people negatively. I have been a guest of Russian people many times with ten trips to Ukraine and one to Siberia., and I can honestly say that they are the most gracious hosts that you could wish to meet. Having said that I must agree with you about the “totalitarian government of the USSR”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    Author of one of the articles errorneously pedals the view in which USSR was somehow guilty in the death of Soviet POWs in German captivity. Then he speaks of repatriation of Cossacks from Lienz. Those were Nazi collaborators fighting for "New Europe" and "Leader Adolf Hitler", regardless of their relation to Communist goverment. Only their liders were executed. The rest of them were sent to exile, from which they were released in 1955.
    In 1951-52 mate..
    The 6 of the former "SS-cossaken" top leaders have been sentenced to death ( Krasnov , Shkuro and ets) the about 150 officers got a prison ( 10-20 years )
    The rest were sent to special settlers-camps( not GULAG) for SIX years.
    In 1951-52 all of them have been liberated...
    it was extremaly soft and ..human for the time when the man for theft might to get about 10 years of gulag..

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