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    My understanding is Pershing wanted every GI at the front to have a pistol. The idea was they would use the pistols in both trench fighting and repelling frontal assaults.

    But there simply was not that may pistols, either 1911s or 1917 revolvers.

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    That is certainly true enough. Actually, we did not have enough of ANY small arms in standard issue. Recruits drilled with .30-40 Krag service rifles and approximately 500,000 U.S. made Russian [cancelled] contract M91 Mosen-Nagants re-designated U.S. Rifle M-1916. M1903 service rifles were augmented with M1917 service rifles which could be manufactured quickly by three seperate companies. Approximately 250,000 .45ACP M1917 service revolvers in the form of government purchased Colt New Service and Smith & Wesson Triple Lock revolvers augmented less than 400,000 M1911 service pistols when America went to war. America's only machine guns were the .30 Lewis machine guns until the introduction of the .30 Browning machine gun. In those "pre-submachine gun" days, some American troops were issued 12 gauge Winchester Model 97 and Remington Model 10 pump shotguns and brass cased 00 buckshot for close "in the trench" warfare.
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    Here is another photo of a .45 M1911 in action.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1


    The image appears to be French and American personnel during target practice. The Americans appear to be U.S. Marines according to their "EGA" (Eagle, Globe and Anchor) devise on the front of their campaign hats. U.S. Army soldiers would not have had any hat devises. Rather, they would have had yellow, light blue or red hat cords with tassels to indicate cavalry, infantry or artillery. Other colors, or combinations of colors, would have indicated Signal Corps, Medical Corps, Quartermaster Corps, etc. There are no hat cords on these campaign hats. Also, like the Navy, Marines wore canvas leggings more often than the European inspired putties that were more common in the Army. The rifle armed Marines in the prone positions are clearly armed with M1903 Springfield service rifles distinguished by their barrel mounted rear sights and exposed blade front sights. The M1911 armed Marine standing in the foreground is wearing what appears to be an M1912 or 1916 holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfWWIIVet View Post
    imi, actually finding a 1911 pistol in use during the World War I period is more difficult than I thought. I found this link of a group of American soldiers, c. World War I, perhaps before they deployed to Europe. Since they are "all" armed with pistols, I have to assume that they are horse cavalrymen. Like the infantry, they would have also been armed with standard issue M1903 service rifles as indicated by their cartridge belts. The pistol would have been used as an offensive weapon in the saddle while the service rifle would have been used when the troopers were dismounted.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1
    wow excellent image thanks!
    I also search many hours in the internet for pictures from the Colt 45 in ww2,but found nothing,or found a few not too good quality photo from the japanese front,very sad,because it's a historical handgun.

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    This site, 1911 Forum.Com seems to have the most images of .45 M1911 and M1911A1 service pistols in actual use and carry that I have found to date. They cover scenes from the Punitive Expedition in Mexico in 1916 through the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Cold War, Persian Gulf War, the OEF-OIF period, and some interesting photos of newly manufactured Springfield Armory M1911A1 pistols in use by today's Fleet Marine Force. The images span a century of service with the M1911 and M1911A1 service pistol.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by imi View Post
    Color often brings out the reality of the scene. I wish these troopers were wearing their brimmed campaign hats instead of their garrison caps. It would be easier to confirm their cavalry status if I saw yellow cords on top of their brims. I think the M1910 web gear for rifle cartridges and the holsters hanging on them confirm that though. The European influenced leg putties make me think that the photograph was made in France or elsewhere overseas. Usually, American troops photographed in the U.S. were still wearing the stiff cotton canvas leggings that used hooks and cords. Thanks again for the color version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfWWIIVet View Post
    Thanks again for the color version.
    You're welcome,I'm more than expert in the german military clothes,but I try to search the right colors to this nice photo

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    I've read that about half of the US "Doughboys" were issued "American Enfields" and that Sgt. York actually used one of these rifles and not a Springfield.

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    That is certainly true. There were 2.39 million Model 1917 service rifles build by Eddiestone Arsenal, Remington UMC and Winchester Repeating Arms in less than two years of production. They were manufactured after U.S. Ordnance Department revisions were made to the Pattern 1914 machine tools that had earlier produced 1.5 million Pattern 14s for the British. The British contracts had just been filled and the machinery was still in place and idle when the U.S. entered into the Great War. The revisions included changing the caliber from .303 British to .30-06, different sights and changes to the bolt head. They were easier and faster to mass produce than the M1903 Springfield service rifle and almost as accurate at extended ranges. Their numbers in the field outnumbered M1903 service rifles by a margin of more than 3 to 2.

    When World War I ended, M1917 production ended too. It was decided by the Army to continue M1903 production. The huge inventories of M1917s were used to fill National Guard armories with 200,000 used to arm the Philippine Scouts. Many saw service in World War II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscogeemike View Post
    I've read that about half of the US "Doughboys" were issued "American Enfields" and that Sgt. York actually used one of these rifles and not a Springfield.

    True they were issued 1917s far more than '03s, and York used a 1911A1 and not the 'Luger' as shown in the show. They used the Luger cause they could get it to funcion with blanks, but couldn't get a 1911 at that time to function with them.

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    Thanks, Deaf Smith. I love stuff like why they used the "Luger".

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    i love the 1911, my favorite pistol ever, i like it better than a 9mm but im sol since the military uses berettas and spec ops pretty much only use .45s oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamestallakson View Post
    i love the 1911, my favorite pistol ever, i like it better than a 9mm but im sol since the military uses berettas and spec ops pretty much only use .45s oh well
    When you are old enough, you could always buy one for yourself, and shoot when you like. 21 isnt that far off. (that is assuming that you are not a nutter, or incarcerated, or otherwise unqualified to possess a firearm.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by imi View Post
    much better the A1 better handling,faster firing.
    The 1911 is more robust with sharp lines.
    If anyone have good quality photo from the 1911 or the A1 using in field under ww2,it would be nice!
    Here's my Colt 45 1911 A1 builded by COLT'S MFG.Co - Hartford CT in 1943.
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