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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    The prototype P-39 had a turbo. Bad installation, would never have been practical. Deleting the turbo allowed Bell to get the P-39 in production and in the field in time for the start of WWII. ...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    True, but 4 of the top 5 Russian aces (actually allied aces, since their scores approached 60 victories and no American or British ace had near that many) flew the P-39 for the majority of their...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Let's not argue, Wm. Greens's book "Warplanes of the Luftwaffe" lists the FW190 as having a service ceiling of 33,000', almost exactly 10,000 meters. Very few planes eve reached their service...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Not just stay at high altitude, but "bounce" (make a diving firing pass and then convert the diving speed back to altitude). This was the basic combat tactic in WWII. If the P-39s couldn't match...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Agree somewhat, but if the Airacobra did not have high altitude capability (over 20,000') then the German fighters would have stayed above and bounced the Airacobras all day long with nothing the...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Not wanting to argue, but Russian P-39s primary mission was battlefield air superiority (intercepting German bombers, escorting Russian bombers/ground attack planes). Sure, targets were strafed, but...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Most of those are not manufacturer's figures, they are tests at the manufacturer's plant by Army personnel.

    Fascinating account by O'Brien. I have read a million of these. The recurring theme...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Go to wwiiaircraftperformance.org, look under P-39, you will find numerous "original source" documents to review regarding P-39 performance.
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    The information you are quoting is the information that was published after WWII. There is more recent information that reflects the Russian viewpoint. The P-39 used by the Army in early WWII was...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Hardly stripped, had self sealing fuel tanks and armor protection. Did outclimb the 109G6. Spit IX was the ONLY production plane that would outclimb a P39N in 1943. Hardly a historical oddity,...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    P39N had better performance than all three when climb is considered, would climb to 25,000' in 8 minutes, a full 6 minutes faster than P47B. Much faster climb than Typhoon and FW190 also. Top speed...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Don't understand your statements about the eastern front being less intense and less difficult. Full scale land war conducted from June of 1941 to May 1945. Pretty difficult/intense. The Soviets...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    I had always heard that too, but then I saw the actual numbers. Still a huge achievement.
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Stay after JAW, he desperately needs educating. Regarding the P38 Lightning, it shot down more Japanese aircraft than any other ARMY fighter. Hellcat shot down the most Japanese Planes. Keep up...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Update your reading list. The P39N started coming off the production line in Dec 42 and by the next month Bell was producing 400/month. All the P39 models were the same except for different models...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Never said the P39 was best fighter in '43. Did say they were the best below 20,000' and they were when rate of climb is taken into account along with speed. Nothing climbed with a P39N or Q...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Like your view on the P-39, very unjustly maligned by the Army and British, loved by the Soviets. Send me an email at hgilley51@gmail.com if you are interested in future discussion.
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Per WWIIAircraftPerformance.com the Typhoon was good for 376mph at 8,599'. P-39Q would do 405 at 10,000' and would outclimb the Typhoon substantially at all altitudes.
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Nothing outperformed a P-39N or Q under 20,000'. Nothing. And Russian pilots say that the N and Q that they flew (lighter than US P-39s from deleting the wing guns and some radio equipment) would...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    The standard P-63 performance was just shy of the P-51D, especially without the underwing .50 caliber machine guns. The Kingcobra would outclimb a P51D with ease at all altitudes.

    Just a word...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    The facts are: 3 of the top 4 Soviet aces flew the P-39. These were the top scoring Allied aces of WWII with almost 60 victories, more victories than any American or British fliers. There were...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Agree with everything you said, except there was never a Merlin P-39 in production.
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Hey Deaf,

    Haven't posted in a while, tried a while back and this site was down or something, couldn't get on. You might want to check your favorite site wwiiaircraftperformance. There is some...
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    Re: Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra.

    Bomber Escort: According to the P-39Q Pilots Manual, max cruise at 25,000' burned 62 gallons per hour. With a 75 gallon drop tank and 120 gallons internal after deducting 20 gallons for takeoff and...
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