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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    So, in WWII do we pretty much have the Sten / UK, M-3 / US, and Owen / Australia as more or less equivalent in purpose if not necessarily reliability?

    I'm excluding the Thompson as it was used by...
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    Like most things, it was only a tiny proportion that caused serious problems. Countless people from the city went to rural fringe pubs and countless people in the bush went to a pub outside the...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    Who would that be?

    The armourer to some ninth rate kindergarten mob of gangbangers or drug dealers?

    Surely there is no difficulty in getting much better weapons legally or illegally?

    Even...
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    Maybe I'd seen something about this as I wasn't sure if there was an SMG version of the gun I was thinking of.

    Was this what the the Americans called a grease gun? The barrel forward of the...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    Thanks for the link.

    I think that's the one I had in mind.

    It sounds like a professionally made zip gun with a reloading system that makes a muzzle loading musket look ahead of its time.

    I'm...
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    Or in a dissolute period of my youth when working in the bush when a mate and I started Saturdays with a few beers before getting up and going into town for some serious drinking. Then the same on...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    IIRC there was a WWII American gun - ?pistol? ?smg? - produced from stamped metal in a former toy factory converted to war production. Or something like that.

    Can't recall if it was a weapon that...
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    Yeah, that agrees with our koalas' exaggerated opinions of themselves.

    Don't be too hard on your government officials. If you saw the crap they've managed to sell to our koalas, you'd be impressed...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    No. They were fresh in his hands in the mid-1960s, a few years after we started producing them in the early 1960s.

    The F1s I fired had to be less than 10 years old.

    In the mid to late 1960s as...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    No, it was more reliability and adaptability.

    We agreed that the F1 was useful on the occasions it worked properly at very short ranges in tight jungle, but was too unreliable.

    He had...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    Spent half a day yesterday with a former Australian SAS bloke I know and the F1 came up, as in I said it was piece of shit.

    He agreed, strongly (as does anyone I've ever met who actually fired...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    Bearing in mind that I'm not all that interested in weapons beyond the basics and that the photo ain't all that clear on necessary details, I wouldn't be surprised if the digger second from left with...
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    Why would everyone be in camo suits and face paint but the bloke far right is going into Vietnam jungle with a light coloured headdress, unless he has a death wish?

    Hard to tell, but the trees in...
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    Was nagging at the back of my mind, which encouraged me to come back for another look.

    That's not an Australian issue shirt, either. We never had sleeve pockets nor, possibly depending on the...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    Well, it works OK for you and me. All we have to do now is to invent something. ;):)
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    M16's appear to have been issued to Australians who weren't forward scouts, such as this poor psyops digger serving as a mule for loudspeakers, which has the double disadvantage of making him a...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    My instinct was that M16's weren't issued to Australian troops, although all sorts of non-issue weapons were acquired informally. (See last link below for a few cases.)

    Anyway, I thought I should...
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    Re: Sten gun vs Owens sub machine gun

    Sorry to be a nit picker, but it's the "Owen" gun rather than "Owens", named after its inventor Evelyn Owen. http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/owen-evelyn-ernest-11322 The cause of death in the link...
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