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  1. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    No one is ever able to "prove" anything in discussing hypothetical scenarios but that
    doesn't keep them from "pointless and fruitless" arguing. It does take two to argue you know, so apparently you...
  2. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    In other words, the two Australian cruisers you make such a fuss about really were not a factor in turning back the Japanese Port Moresby invasion force. I do believe you did claim they were an...
  3. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    I know it did.

    Unfortunately, that was not pertinent to the original argument; you claimed that US forces in New Guinea played no role in stopping the Japanese in 1942. That is flat out wrong in...
  4. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    Damn right I do and so do you and so does practically everybody else on this board. That's because I have only formed my opinions after years of reading just about everything I can find on the...
  5. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    I see. It wasn't really the carrier battle that doomed the Japanese effort to take Port Moresby by sea, but the two Australian cruisers in the Jomard Passage that turned them back. This despite the...
  6. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    I think you ought to try to calm down a bit.

    I will always concede that hypothetical scenarios are never susceptible to conclusive proof. That makes your speculation no more valid than mine. So...
  7. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    All of them. I suppose you think Port Moresby, the supply base for the Kokoda Trail battles, could have been defended absent US air and naval support? In trying to make your point, your ignoring the...
  8. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    Well, if you want to quote MacArthur, you can find very serious words to the effect that the US Navy had no effect at all throughout the entire Pacific war and that the Japanese were stopped only...
  9. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    I guess you just like to ignore evidence that doesn't support your opinion.

    In May, 1942, the US Navy, with essentially the same fleet units it had possessed in December, 1941 (minus, of course,...
  10. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    Sorry, I should have said "the British" instead of Churchill.

    And actually, no one in Britain had such power at any time, but it sure didn't prevent them from trying. Such a decision was reserved...
  11. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    Well, yes we do disagree, and my extensive reading on the matter convinces me that what you "know" is incorrect
  12. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    That is certainly a stretch. Every historian I have ever read who has commented on the issue has said that the British wanted the US Naval units deployed to Singapore as a deterrent to a Japanese...
  13. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    Yes, but unfortunately neither of those conditions actually existed at any time either before or after the Japanese attack.

    And if American support wasn't desired in the defense of Malaya, why did...
  14. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    No, "superficial" is an adjective denoting an analysis or approach which is not in depth, or which merely touches the surface of the issue.

    The fact is the US not only had vital trade and...
  15. Re: What if Japan annexes Dutch East Indies instead of attacking USA?

    This is a rather superficial view of the situation the Japanese, British, and Americans found themselves in just prior to the actual attack on the NEI.

    True, both the US and British Empire forces...
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