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Nickdfresh
04-12-2009, 03:13 PM
U.S. Navy rescues captain held by pirates
Three of the Somali captors were killed and one was in custody
BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
updated 1:52 p.m. ET, Sun., April 12, 2009

MOMBASA, Kenya - The U.S. Navy has rescued the American sea captain held by Somali pirates.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said hostage Richard Phillips was not hurt in what appeared to be a swift firefight off the Somali coast on Sunday. Phillips was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby.

The official said three pirates were killed and one was injured.

The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

U.S. warships and helicopters had been stalking the lifeboat holding the captain and his captors as a Somali official and others reported earlier that negotiations for his release had broken down....

The Rest of the Story. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013//)

Panzerknacker
04-12-2009, 08:31 PM
The correct way to deal with pirates, and by the way, the merchant ships should be allowed to use some kind of armament in order not to be so vulnerable to a zodiac with kalashnikovs.

flamethrowerguy
04-13-2009, 06:51 AM
The correct way to deal with pirates, and by the way, the merchant ships should be allowed to use some kind of armament in order not to be so vulnerable to a zodiac with kalashnikovs.

What happened to the LRAD?

Dixie Devil
04-13-2009, 07:13 AM
It is about freaking time someone did something!!!!

Rising Sun*
04-13-2009, 08:24 AM
Encouraging, but it's upped the ante so it's predictable that the pirates will kill hostages in future where they've been fairly restrained in the past.

I heard a former merchant ship's captain on radio here saying that some years ago when his ships sailed in pirate waters his crews were well armed and repelled pirates, and that that was the only way to deal with them.

I don't know that it's a great idea to use civilian sailors as combat troops, but if all ships sailing through the Somalia area were given military elements on board sufficient to deal with pirates, not unlike what was done in WWII with artillery being placed on merchant ships, the pirates will give up when they get sick of being on the losing end. Assuming shipping companies are prepared to bear the cost.

On the current ship, it's ironic that it was on a humanitarian mission carrying food aid.

It might be that Western nations have created the piracy problem in Somalia and that a more lasting cure to the problem of piracy would be for them to esnure that Somalia's marine resources are not unjustly damaged and exploited by other nations.


The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes the only sane solution to this problem but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail but who is the robber? http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html

Panzerknacker
04-13-2009, 05:59 PM
What happened to the LRAD?

Sorry...what is the LRAD ?

herman2
04-14-2009, 09:05 AM
I wish the US Navy would smash them Pirates to smitherreenes and teach them a lesson once and for all that you can not mess with the Best, The Proud, the Strong. The U.S. Seals! Go Seals Go! Go Seals Go!!

flamethrowerguy
04-14-2009, 10:54 AM
Sorry...what is the LRAD ?

Long Range Acoustic Device
http://defense-update.com/products/l/LRAD.htm

Schuultz
04-14-2009, 11:02 AM
Didn't some pirate leader say that they are now going to be harsher towards hostages and show less scruples when it comes to killing them?

In a way, I hope they do, so that the UN finally has some real incentive to declare war on those ****ers...

mkenny
04-14-2009, 12:00 PM
I wish the US Navy would smash them Pirates to smitherreenes and teach them a lesson once and for all that you can not mess with the Best, The Proud, the Strong. The U.S. Seals! Go Seals Go! Go Seals Go!!

The French have been doing it for a while.............nice catch-up!

herman2
04-14-2009, 12:36 PM
The French have been doing it for a while.............nice catch-up!

Viva Le France!~ Viva Le France!...The USA could learn a thing or 2 from the French!

Firefly
04-14-2009, 04:39 PM
All Pirates should be treated as Pirates have been since the beggining of time, hunted down and exterminated. Shipping should either be escorted or armed, not so easy to get a small zodiac onboared a ship armed with a 50 cal.....

Panzerknacker
04-14-2009, 05:39 PM
Long Range Acoustic Device
http://defense-update.com/products/l/LRAD.htm

Oh, thanks, but i think you dont need such high tech device, with a good 12,7 or ww2 surplus 20mm gun for "pirate busting"... not only desirable but also could be a lot of fun. :mrgreen:

Rising Sun*
04-15-2009, 08:07 AM
Convoys escorted by naval patrol boats and frigates and, at most, destroyers, would stop it overnight.

But this would require shipping companies to bear dead time as the convoy is assembled, which I suspect most wouldn't be willing to bear. Dollars have usually mattered more than lives to shipowners in the long history of the mercantile marine.

Panzerknacker
04-15-2009, 09:15 PM
Some weapons to arm the crew dont cost a lot of dollars actually.

Dixie Devil
04-16-2009, 06:20 AM
All these crews have to do is on one of their African stops just pick up an RPG. You start lobbing RPGs at a bunch of guys in a zodiac and I bet they would change their minds rather quickly. For that matter just pick up a Dragunov SVD; one halfway competent shooter could keep anyone in a small boat from boarding as long as they spotted them still in the water.

Nickdfresh
04-16-2009, 10:41 AM
Some weapons to arm the crew dont cost a lot of dollars actually.

But now we're getting into a bunch of liability issues, and the fact that armed ships are routinely stopped and inspected at nearly every port of entry which slows them down quite a bit...

I think the best solution is for the merchant crews to steer clear of the Somali coast (something they did even in this case) and navies of the world to go after the pirate "motherships." Without the larger tender craft, or motherships, the smaller pirate skiffs and speedboats cannot operate in the open sea for long...

But, this might mean taking casualties of naval personnel and hostages, so even that is no easy solution...

herman2
04-16-2009, 11:52 AM
You know, I remember watching on CNN that the US Inteligance had spy satellites so strong that they could pick out Sadam's presence if he ever walked outside in the open air and that with that satelite picture they could send a missile to kill him. I am sure we all remember this?...so my question is, how come we don't have satelites that can see the pirates holding guns in the boats in the water and with that info, send some Rambo soldiers in hawk Helicopters to take them out? or send in a drone to bomb it. Can't the satelites that were supposedily used to find Sadam, be used to spot ot gun carrying Pirates!, and bomb the crap out of them!

Schuultz
04-16-2009, 02:38 PM
Well, they probably could, but the question is if the US government considers those pirates to be high enough priority to focus their multi-billion dollar satellites on them, or if they rather watch King Jong Il play around with that big red button of his... ;)