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Egorka
03-08-2009, 07:13 PM
Hello,

As you may know I am putting out parts of my grand-father's memoirs. The process is a bit complicated as I first translate it then send it to SlimFan to correct and then I publish them here. I also have to make sure the pictures are scanned and so on.
Not always in the evening I have energy to translate large portions of text, but I nonetheless feel like sharing something interesting with you.

So I decided to open this thread where I will be presenting some short extracts from the RKKA soldier’s accounts which I read everyday. Some of them will be funny, some of them will be very sad... I will try to get somehow remarkable and interesting episodes that you, I hope, will find interesting.

Most of the accounts are from the website www.iremember.ru

Ok. Let’s start with few funny ones:



Arsenij K. Rodkin
Leutenant. T-34 tank commander. link. (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/104/19/lang,ru/)

In 1943 our tank school was awarded the Guards status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guards_unit). In connection with that I recall this funny story. The schools deputy principal was colonel Naumov, a war veteran, very harsh old men. He would never pass by a student without cavilling. Imaging everything about you is in order: uniform according to the service regulations, the boots polished. But do you have required needle and thread in your service cap? No? 5 days of guard house arrest. And at the end he would always add: “You - gobbler”. Shortly after we received the Guard status, he stopped one student and started the routine:
«Mess again, gobbler». – «No, comrade Guards-colonel, not a gobbler!». – «WHAT!?» – «Guards-Gobbler, comrade colonel!» – «You, son of a bitch, made colonel laugh. Off you go!»


Then we arrived to town of Rzhev. Our train stopped next to a train with infantry division. Apparently a younger brother of one of our platoon commanders, Ivan Chugunov, was in that very train. What is to be done? The younger one got to be reunited. We rushed to their train leader, coocked up a reference letter and gave him 3 litters of vodka to both the train leader and the station commandant. That is how Vasilij ended together with his brother and they went through the war fighting together. The older Chugunov brother became tank company commander and when in the autumn 1944 we braking from encirclement he distinguished himself and was awarded “Hero of the Soviet Union Star”.
Later after the war we would tease the younger Vasilij: “Do you remember how we bought you out for 3 vodka bottles?”



Yurii M. Poljanovsky
Leutenant. T-34 tank commander. link. (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/94/19/1/8/lang,en/)

Our unit was the first one to be transferred from Austria back to USSR. At that point we had our own cattle to produce extra rations. Some of our soldiers had herding and milking duties. So during this relocation we received an order to decorate the trucks with banners. So the truck with sheep was decorated with the banner: “Motherland welcomes back her sons.” Later our commander, General Rusianov, told us that he got screwed by the High Command for that. You see, the whole thing was filmed for the news reel.

navyson
03-08-2009, 10:05 PM
I for one would enjoy reading these Egorka. I checked out the site you mentioned but most stories are in Russian. I clicked on "English" but it didn't transfer the stories to English. (Unless I wasn't doing it correctly.) So, this would help quite a bit. Thanks!

Egorka
03-09-2009, 10:10 AM
I for one would enjoy reading these Egorka. I checked out the site you mentioned but most stories are in Russian. I clicked on "English" but it didn't transfer the stories to English. (Unless I wasn't doing it correctly.) So, this would help quite a bit. Thanks!
Regarding the site: by far not all of the accounts are translated.
But here is what you do to get the ones that have been translated to English.

Firstly, there is link to the translated ones right on the middle of the front page. Look after names.

Secondly, on hte left you will see the list of the military occupations. If you click one of them you will get the list of available accounts. Originally they are in Russian unless they have been translated. This means you should skim through and you will quickly be able to identify the translated accounts. There could be maybe one og two for a given military occupation, but all of them should have at least one account translated.

Egorka
03-09-2009, 05:40 PM
Yurii O. Bem
Paratrooper, military intelligence. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/322/26/lang,en/).

The platoon leader knew that I wanted to visit my home in Moscow and told me once that they need a type writer for the regimental HQ: "We will give you money and send you to Moscow to purchase a type writer for the HQ office". That is how I visited home during the war.
...
So I bought the type writer and brought it back. And I was reassigned to a position in HQ on the duty of senior intelligence officer.
Despite the fact that I was working only in HQ I had to parachute jump with my type writer. I told them: "You know, I am so thin that might get gone with the wind".
They tell me: "Take the type writer - problem solved."
I also had to jump from a balloon. It is actually much scarier than jumping from a plane. From a plane one can not see the ground. Signal and you get pushed out. But on a balloon the ground is perfectly visible. It gets risen app. 400 meters up and the instructor throws everyone out.
But I got used to that too. And it is true - jumped with a type writer.
.....

Chevan
03-10-2009, 01:33 AM
Our unit was the first one to be transferred from Austria back to USSR. At that point we had our own cattle to produce extra rations. Some of our soldiers had herding and milking duties. So during this relocation we received an order to decorate the trucks with banners. So the truck with sheep was decorated with the banner: “Motherland welcomes back her sons.” Later our commander, General Rusianov, told us that he got screwed by the High Command for that. You see, the whole thing was filmed for the news reel

Ha ha ha ha:)
Yes mate it's proper time to enlighten a bit our westerners colleagues by such a way.

Rising Sun*
03-10-2009, 09:12 AM
Ha ha ha ha:)
Yes mate it's proper time to enlighten a bit our westerners colleagues by such a way.

What?

By daring to suggest that Russian sheep have a sense of humour? ;) :mrgreen:

I hope the sheep survived the sheep gulag. ;) :)

That was actually a bloody funny story, about the sheep and the sons returning to the Motherland.

More, please, Egorka.

Egorka
03-10-2009, 10:00 AM
OK, here is more:

Arsenij K. Rodkin
Leutenant. T-34 tank commander. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/104/19/lang,ru/).

«Once, while staying in the front second line during the reinforcement, I noticed our seasoned veteran Kostin, who fought in Stalingrad battle in KV tank. I see the freshmen soldiers gathered around him and Kostin tells them about his adventures in during Stalingrad battle: "KV tank armor is THAT thick - WOW! Once Germans gave it to us. I watch the shell - red hot – squeezing further and further through the armor plate in to the tank. I grabbed hammer and smacked it with all the force I had - so it flew away." The freshmen listened to him very attentively - completely green boys. I walked away and burst in laughter.»



Grigory S. Shishkin
Leutenant. T-34 tank commander. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/598/8/lang,ru/).

«Question: Did you witness that out of fear crew jumped out of the tank while the tank kept rolling ahead?

Answer: No. But we had a joke about it to tell our freshmen: "I am Sitting in my tank and waiting for orders. Then the order comes to give fire support to our attacking infantry. I fired the gun and - WOW - the tank started rolling ahead. The driver is not pressing the pedals, but the tank is moving! Then we figured it out. Apparently the shell stuck in the gun barrel. But the force it is pulling with is gargantuan!!! So it pulled the gun and therefore the whole tank."
Some people genuinely believed that.»

freyir_33
03-10-2009, 12:13 PM
I have to learn Russian :), the site is very interesting. I would love to read the stories of the VVS pilots.

Chevan
03-10-2009, 02:37 PM
What?

By daring to suggest that Russian sheep have a sense of humour? ;) :mrgreen:

I hope the sheep survived the sheep gulag. ;) :)

Everything was worse mate.
All the Russians sheep has been executed at neares collective farm as the "Enemy of Soviet people", and were packed to an canned meat.
Becouse thay can't explain to NKVD officers - how Russian sheep migh to surrender to German army and they turned out to be in sunny Austria, feeling good and sated.
While the rest of Russian patriotic animals survived the famine and wither frost on mother's russia soil , alongside Red Army.:mrgreen:

Egorka
03-10-2009, 04:52 PM
I have to learn Russian :), the site is very interesting. I would love to read the stories of the VVS pilots.
I found these ones for you:

http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/399/51/lang,en/
http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/130/52/lang,en/
http://www.iremember.ru/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=157&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=55
http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/133/55/lang,en/

I have not read them yet.

BTW have you read "SS FRIVILLIG - "Sværdborg" fortæller (http://www.frikorps-danmark.dk/Danske/SvaerdborgsHistorie.htm)" (Svend Aage Jensen), 1985 by HARLY FOGED?

Egorka
03-13-2009, 06:44 PM
OK, here is one more:

Aleksader T. Cherepanov
Fighter pilot. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/638/51/1/28/lang,en/).

«The airplane with its extra fuel tank was not fit for dog fighting. Both manoeuvrability and the speed suffer. Therefore we would drop them off before the engagement and many pilots died because of that. The falling fuel tank is an amusing sight. It is spinning in the air. Sometimes it is still full of fuel. When it spins the fuel bursts out in a fountain - looks beautiful. And a pilot may gape at it. A pilot distracted is a shot down pilot. We warned people not to gape and many before him paid the prise. Everything comes with experience. One of us got shot that way and we started warning. A German if he shoots down a plain also looks it burns and follows it down. Interesting what is to happen. So when the attention is distracted you can take an advantage. If you score - don't hesitate and don't look - go forward. Maybe someone is already on your tail.»

Rising Sun*
03-13-2009, 07:27 PM
Everything was worse mate.
All the Russians sheep has been executed at neares collective farm as the "Enemy of Soviet people", and were packed to an canned meat.
Becouse thay can't explain to NKVD officers - how Russian sheep migh to surrender to German army and they turned out to be in sunny Austria, feeling good and sated.
While the rest of Russian patriotic animals survived the famine and wither frost on mother's russia soil , alongside Red Army.:mrgreen:

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Egorka
03-22-2009, 06:05 AM
There was thread on our forum about Russians using biological weapon in Stalingrad - Tularemia spread by rodents. Here is a couple of related quotes :

Philip M. Zharkoy
Tanker. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/672/19/lang,ru/).

«I remember our brigade suffered much from tularemia, which was spread by field mise which were very numerous in the area. To escape we even had to park the truck in the middle of river so that the wheels would be in wather.»


Feodor F. Arhipenko
Fighter pilot. Star Hero of Soviet Union. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/144/51/1/1/lang,ru/).

«Question - How was the pilot's everyday life was arranged?
Answer - Well, we did not see anything appart from our airfield. As soon as the sun is up we went to the airfield for duty. When the sun went down we went back to the nearest village where a pile of hay covered with tarpaulin awated us. That is it! And we slept very well. Except near Stalingrad the mise did not leave us alone and did not let us sleep. So we slept in turns - one is sleeping , the other is keeping mise off with a stick. You see, the grains harvest was collected but was Not threshed which contributed to the mise population. Once we went to town of Lipetsk to pick up new YAK planes. We got the planes and I also bought 3 cats on the street marked. We put them into the cabine and flew back.

On the way back we landed in town of Kalach near Voronezh. An attack plane regiment had that airfield as their base. So we landed - the weather was terrible and we could not continue. We placed guards at the planes, left the cats in the plane cabines and left to the mess for lunch. When we came back the cats were gone! The guard soldier said that the ground attack pilots clumbed into our planes and snatched them. Our whole mob went to visit them. We baraly managed to get them back, it almost ended in fisticufs! They painted them over with ink and claimed those were their own cats!
The delivered cats were cheered everyone up - the mise problem was solved for good.»

Egorka
03-27-2009, 10:04 AM
More quotes:

Vitaly I. Klimenko
Fighter pilot. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/148/78/lang,en/).

«http://www.iremember.ru/pilots/klimenko/vitiv_nail.jpg On Saturday June 21, 1941 we were in town of Šiauliai (Lithuania) - went out with some girls. So young we were - 20 years! I was acquainted with a beautiful girl, barber, Lithuanian, Ms.Valerie Bunita. We agreed that on Sunday I will take leave, and we will go for a walk near Rikevoz lake. At this time we were in the summer camp and lived in tents near the airfield – there were war game going on. I woke up at five in the morning and thought to leave early for breakfast and then to pick up Valerie and to go together to the lake. Suddenly I hear aircraft buzzing approaching. They were some I-15 from the third squadron on duty standing on the airfield.
The first thought was that it is a air strike arranged by our opponents in the war game and our on duty wing missed them.

I opened the tents and saw the “crosses” over my head in the sky and the machine gun fire trace going over our tent line. I shouted: «Guys, war!» – «Oh, get lost, what are you talking about!» - «Look yourself – air strike!». Every one jumped out. We already had dead and wounded. I pulled my pilot’s overall and run to the hangar and commanded to my technician: «Roll out the plane». In the mean while all our on duty fighters were already burning on the airfield. I took off. I went around the airfield I did not know what to do, where to fly! Suddenly one our fighter comes close to me and rocked the wings – “Attention! Follow me!” I recognized Alexander Bukach, another wing commander. We flew towards the German border. The defenses at the border were pierced and the German columns were advancing, fires around. Alexander opened fire and started ground strike. I followed him. The advancing German columns were so dense that it was even possible to miss. For some reason there wasn’t any anti-aircraft fire. I was afraid to loose my wing leader – was afraid to get lost! We made two attacks and went home, landed and rolled into the hangar.

A car come from the HQ: «Did you just fly?» - «Yes, us». – «Report immediately to the HQ». Ok, went to HQ. The regiment commander: «You are under arrest and to be placed in the guard house. Pilot’s license revoked. Who gave you permission to open fire? Do you know what is happening? Well, I don’t know either. Maybe it is some kind of provocation? Do you know whose columns those were? Maybe those were our forces?». I am thinking: «WTF! Loosing officer rank just like that! I just have been home! Lieutenant! All the girls were mine! And now how can I show up as private!?»

When Molotov delivered his speech broadcast at 12:00 we suddenly were turned from criminals into heroes. We were worried big time! Our losses were big – many planes were burned on the ground, the hangers burned too. Out of the whole regiment, we ere the only ones who gave any resistance before any orders arrived.»

Egorka
03-31-2009, 08:53 AM
one more...


Nikolai E. Bespalov
Fighter pilot. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/402/51/lang,ru/).

«The way we introduced new pilots into the action was a as follows: let’s say there is 6 planes are in air, this means 5 experienced ones and one newbie. In our squadron we had 5 experienced pilots, 5 Heroes of Soviet Union: Timoshenko, Saveliev, Voloshin, Michail Zabirin and Himushin.

When Eugene [Savelyev] got Hero of SU he went to Moscow to receive the Star. We met him on his way back in the town of Borisoglebsk. There was a beer factory which produced handsome, delicious beer, but it was not sold in the shops to the public. So what we did is we hanged all our medals on the Eugene’s [Savelyev] uniform and sent him to the factory director. When he saw Eugen, the only thing the director said was: “How much do you need?” – “A keg.” And it was immidiately rolled out for him.»

navyson
03-31-2009, 09:28 AM
Nice! They earned that keg of beer! Thanks Egorka.

Rising Sun*
03-31-2009, 09:33 AM
Everything was worse mate.
All the Russians sheep has been executed at neares collective farm as the "Enemy of Soviet people", and were packed to an canned meat.
Becouse thay can't explain to NKVD officers - how Russian sheep migh to surrender to German army and they turned out to be in sunny Austria, feeling good and sated.
While the rest of Russian patriotic animals survived the famine and wither frost on mother's russia soil , alongside Red Army.:mrgreen:

I think the NKVD badly underestimated the threat posed by Nazi sheep and withdrew the Soviet sheep far too soon. A Nazi sheep with a dagger is not a threat to be taken lightly. Maybe not a Werewolf, but clearly a Werewolf in Weresheep's clothing. :D



http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2928/sheepq.jpg

#218 at http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3494&page=15

Egorka
03-31-2009, 03:25 PM
Maybe not a Werewolf, but clearly a Werewolf in Weresheep's clothing. :D
Too bad for the Werewolfs in Weresheep's clothing that we got lend-lease:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2935037635_2c700a8a15_o.jpg

Egorka
08-06-2009, 05:38 AM
one more... this time not a funny one...


Leo S. Sverdlov
Engineer (explosives expert). link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/979/89/1/8/lang,ru/).

Question: How were the Germans taken to captivity? How did the RKKA soldiers treated them?
Answer: «There is a commom saying that Germans are the people of discipline. So after they received the order about the capitulation, they laid down weapons and in organised manner, lined up and under the command of its officers and without complaints, marched into the captivity as if they were good little boys.

Certainly, there were exceptions, and "Werewolf" fired at us after the May month, but, in essence, the former warriors of Wehrmacht immediately subdued to the fate and their defeat. It struck my memory, as two our officer said, that once in Danzig they saw a POW column. Some German women on the pavement greeted and cheered. Our officers were astonished by their and asked one of them: " Why are you so glad?", on that they heard: "Wait, in another 20 years Germany will show itself again! "»

Question: But what was our soldiers treatment of those surrendering?
Answer: «In 1945 no one longer touched prisoners. If on Narev bridgehead, I saw with my own eyes, how our T-34 ramed in full speed into the marching POW column smashed them without pity, then in 1945, we didn't kill prisoners.

Only Poles from AK troops continued to vandalize indiscriminately. And when in Danzig, Poles dealt shortly with the local Germans, shot prisoners and in front of everyone pushed civilian Germans out of top floor windows, we immediately interceded, but Poles with anger shouted at us in responce: "Whom you do feel sorry for!? They completely destroyed your entire country", and we them told that we indeed not fascists and it cannot do the same as those beasts…

In spring 1945 some other unusual event occurred. A 3 meters tall barricade stands on the road being defended by "Folksshturm". The ground on both sides road is flooded by water and unpassable. Our officer, I think his name was Titov, went as truce flag bearer to the barricade and came back accompanied by 28 armed German boys, all born in 1929, among them several injured.

Young boys were all having characteristic short back and side haircut. Then our chief of staff officer Baranovskiy arrived, looked at them, and ordered to take away their weapon and send everyone home, which was done immidiately... Compare to another situation. A large barn stands before us. It is used as hide out by a gang of "Vlasov army" members. They fire at as to the last bullet. Here is no room for discussion. Every single one of them was killed - no one was in the mood take them prisoner.

But, even now, recalling the thousands rows long POW columns, it is difficult to me to say that the Germans moral was broken and that they lost fighting spirit at end of the war. That is on the Western Front they didn't really resist since Februrary 1945, but with us they fought ntil the very last day.

Another story from the environs of Danzig. A German crossed over to us saying that he was delegated by a German company to negotiate surrender of the whole unit. But Germans wanted guarantees, that they wouldn't be harmed, and they requested one of our scouts to go over to them to be a conductor and a hostage. So that the scout together with another truce flag bearer would later lead the German company to the captivity.

I was present during the examination of German, then I went to the rear for some duties, but it I was restless and felt, that something was fishy about it. I found the nearest field telephone and called the battalion cheif of staff, with The Bbaranovsky, and expressed to him my doubts about the sincerity of the delegate. Baranovskiy said that he has same doubts as I. In two days, during night, the battalion of Germans, more than 500 people, attempted to break through to the sea coast, where from their were supposed to be picked up by boats. But our OPAB (detached artillery and machine gun batallion) met those attacking the wall of fire. Only 12 of them survived, whom we took prisoner. Later we were told by our HQ staff that the Germans admited that the whole story about the delegate was a deception conducted with one purpose only: to get hold of our intelligence officer and force intel out of him on our defence positions and breakthrough the most suitable sector. Since their plan to get a prisoner failed , then they decided to rush in frontal attack.»

flamethrowerguy
08-06-2009, 02:49 PM
Regular Soviet soldiers' personal experiences are hard to find (at least outside of the former Soviet Union) always interesting to read, Igor, also the part about the Poles...

Egorka
08-07-2009, 03:50 AM
Regular Soviet soldiers' personal experiences are hard to find (at least outside of the former Soviet Union) always interesting to read, Igor, also the part about the Poles...
Yes, there is language gap. As well as due to understandable historical reasons the personal stories did not cross that much to/from West-East line.

I recently translated to Russian and put on my blog memoirs of an American GI (http://franek.webs.com/inthearmynow.htm) - there was a great interest among the Russian audience.

As I get time and find something remarkable I will post more snippets here.

Egorka
08-07-2009, 06:06 AM
a fresh one... just from the blogging stream...


Dmitry I. Rotar
Communication, later in tank crew. link (http://community.livejournal.com/mil_history/539252.html).

Question: Dmitry Ivanovitch, what did you get the order of "Red Star" for?
Answer: «That happened near Kharkov. I started my service near Kursk, but in August 1943 our rifle regiment was moved for attack in Kharkov direction. When we approached the city, the regiment got order to take control over a suburban area. The air recognizance reported that the Germans already left that area and that we should move in. But our battalion commander decided not to take chances and sent forward a scout unit. I and my mate assisted them operated a radio station and accompanied the scout team. The radio we had was good one. It was a Soviet made with range of up to 50km.

So we entered the suburb and it indeed was quiet. Nobody is around. So we entered a two storey house and settled in. Suddenly out of nowhere a local woman rushed in: "Sons! Why have you come here!? The Germans in here are everywhere!" We looked to back yard and - oh, Dear Mother of God! - it was flooded with Germans, a whole convoy had arrived. And the Germans are already running all over the place - all the escape routes were cut off! What to do? We quickly sniked into the loft and called the artillery fire on our own coordinates. We bid farewell to each other. In few minutes the volley of shells came down on us. The whole area was hacked into pieces, all Germans were killed, and nobody survived. But we were lucky. No one of us got killed, even though we had no chances.
Basically, after that the whole platoon was awarded.»

Egorka
11-27-2009, 03:20 PM
I stumbled a couple of times in memoirs on incidents as described here.
Are there any reports on this in German sources???


Mephodij I. Zhezhel
Tank driver. link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/1046/1/lang,en/)

http://www.iremember.ru/tankers/zhezhel/zhezhel_nail.jpg Here (on Don river in 1941) such an episode ocured. German armour forces attmpted to force the river Don supported by their air forces. Out 58th tank Brigade left a KV tank on the midle of the crossing. The tank was manned by the crew but with engine turned off. The tank driver in the crew was seargant Kapustin. A first German tank entered the crossing and approached the KV. The Germans desided that the tank was abandoned by the crew. Germans hooked on to KV and tried to pull away the booty. But Kapustin depressed the clutch and and the KV was unmoveable. The second German tank came to help. As soon as they also attached their tank, Kapustin started the engine and started pulling both German tanks to our side.
As soon aas KV rolled to the river bank it stopped leaving the German tank on the crossing blocking it completely. Those of the Germans who jumped out of the tanks were downed by the smal arms fire and the remained were captured. Kapustin was awarded "Order of the Red Banner" for this.
I met with Kapustin after the war. He lived in the neighboring town.

flamethrowerguy
11-27-2009, 03:43 PM
Are there any reports on this in German sources???

Not that I know of. To quote friend Chevan here: "Surely propaganda!":lol:;)

Egorka
11-27-2009, 04:39 PM
Not that I know of. To quote friend Chevan here: "Surely propaganda!":lol:;)As I understand, the author didn't witness this episode himself. I guess he describes it as it was told him by Kapustin himself after the war. So it could be exageration.

the other "similar" incident I reqad about (can't remember where) was about a KV in 1941. It was stuck in the middle of a field (engine would not start). The story has it that after some failing attrempts to destroy it with artillery, the Germans tried to pull it away. As soon as they actually moved it the KV driver managed to start the engine and then pulled the panzer away.

flamethrowerguy
11-27-2009, 04:59 PM
Just for general understanding...are we talking of KV-1 or 2?

Deaf Smith
11-27-2009, 06:07 PM
Considering what a KV has for a gun, surely at 7 yard range (to the Panzer) it would vaporize it instead of trying to pull it away.

And I dunno about pulling TWO Panzers unless they are Mark IIs or just half tracks.

Deaf

Egorka
11-27-2009, 07:04 PM
Just for general understanding...are we talking of KV-1 or 2?
In the quoted here story it sais just "KV". Without model number.

In the other story that I mentioned it was KV-2, AFAIR.

Chevan
11-28-2009, 01:11 PM
Germans hooked on to KV and tried to pull away the booty. But Kapustin depressed the clutch and and the KV was unmoveable. The second German tank came to help. As soon as they also attached their tank, Kapustin started the engine and started pulling both German tanks to our side.....

Aha ha ha ha ha ...:)That's nice Igor.
Never heard anything simular..I think this is exageration and boasting of Kapustin though.
However technically it is possible for KV-1 ( KV-2 was too weak even to pull it's own heavy body at hill more then 10 degrees hight).

Chevan
11-28-2009, 01:18 PM
Not that I know of. To quote friend Chevan here: "Surely propaganda!":lol:;)

The propogand is usially cretaed by newpapers, books or newsreels my friend.It's for widespread public purposes.The propogand is usially looks so real, that you can't discern it.
The propogand us used for the certain military or psihological aims.I don't seen there any military propogand or else.We know all that heavy tank migh to pull couple of light ones.
me personaly, hear this story for the first time in my life.

Chevan
11-28-2009, 02:14 PM
Considering what a KV has for a gun, surely at 7 yard range (to the Panzer) it would vaporize it instead of trying to pull it away.

i think the Kapustin was too greed to vaporoze his potential booty.The situation is quite fun - germans , instaed to finaly liquidate the KV , wanted to steal it, but the Kapustin himself was the swindler:)
He hoped to steal the two germans booty , while germans were busy , robbering the russian KV's :).
The russian cheater meet the germans ones:)


And I dunno about pulling TWO Panzers unless they are Mark IIs or just half tracks.

Deaf
Well this has happend about 1941-42 when all the german had - Bergepanzer ARV on PzIII chassis. It was too weak to pull the any KV in mud.

Egorka
11-28-2009, 03:31 PM
Well technicaly it is not impossible.
Germans saw a seemingly abandoned KV on the middle of the river crossing. In order to cross they had to move KV, not blow it up. Plus capturing operable enemy tank is a sure award. Soviet small arm fire could easily prevent searching the tank before attempt of towing it.

IMHO the core of the story can be true.

JeffinMNUSA
12-12-2009, 04:33 PM
Well technicaly it is not impossible.
Germans saw a seemingly abandoned KV on the middle of the river crossing. In order to cross they had to move KV, not blow it up. Plus capturing operable enemy tank is a sure award. Soviet small arm fire could easily prevent searching the tank before attempt of towing it.

IMHO the core of the story can be true.

Hello Igor;
The "I remember" site now has computer translations of all accounts. You have only to click on the English flag icon and the computer will translate from the Russian into English.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ru%7Cen&u=http://www.iremember.ru/&rurl=translate.google.com&client=tmpg&usg=ALkJrhhwvMMiNFxmJzy7KANTlfeHctKBwg

The translations are sometimes clumsy but understandable. I find the Partisan accounts the most interesting because I have been interested in the Partisan wars ever since reading Grenkevich several years back.
Grenkevich ebook; http://books.google.com/books?id=YsBgvxYVVPMC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=guerrilla+warfare+wwii+USSR+grenkevich&source=bl&ots=JP0jnGbApu&sig=M00TOCj_WgtBwpe6oOaGsfYjLgQ&hl=en&ei=r6kwS869E4fdnAeE8fjuCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

JeffinMNUSA

JeffinMNUSA
12-18-2009, 11:46 AM
I have to learn Russian :), the site is very interesting. I would love to read the stories of the VVS pilots.
Freyir;
I think the "I remember site" also offers computer translation into Danish. You have only to draw up the desired page in Russian and then click on the flag that applies in the header to get a translated page. The wording is sometimes clumsy but so what? The stories are fantastic and thank God the vets of the former USSR are having their say. What they are saying must rewrite the history books.

JeffinMNUSA

Egorka
01-16-2010, 05:22 PM
Here is a small, but relevant note on the subject raised in another thread (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87961) on an other forum (see the last part othe quote).



Aleksey M. Batievsky
Hero of Soviet Union, Pilot (IL-2). link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/1027/1/lang,ru/)

http://www.iremember.ru/pilots/batievsky/batievski_nail.jpg It was difficult get to my home town - no public transport. My mother wellcomed me back. Our neighbour, the grandfather Ivan, showed up to greet me ( authors relative ). A good man - he adopted 2 orphans. They did not have children of their own and adopted orphans. We talked while having tea and then I went to bed.
In the morning the grandfather puls my leg: "Get up! Victory!"

I got up and went to the market square of the town. ... When I came there an inprovised platform had already been risen. Everyone was there - crowded. Everyone was crying... The war is over, but people were crying... A large crowd. My granddad was there too. Out of 6 brothers 5 KIA and the on 6th one no information for long time. And also no info about my uncle. Back then we did not know where and how he perished.

Later we learned that he escaped from the German captivity and ended in the American army. There he was immediatly given a rifle and sent to fight... He was KIA...][/INDENT]

Egorka
01-20-2010, 04:58 PM
Some people were wondering (http://ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10288)... So here it is...



Gregory D. Vodiansky
Airborn Brigade link (http://www.iremember.ru/content/view/1030/89/lang,ru/)

http://www.iremember.ru/others/vodyansky/vodian_nail.jpg
Q: When were the concentration camp inmates liberated?

A: On the 7th of May 1945 Americans entered the camp. We immediately rushed to chase the guards. They were killed on the spot, but some of them were saved by the Amricans. They locked the German camp guards in one of our barraks and did not let the former POW to kill all of them.

Now we were free and there weren’t a single household in the area that would not had invited a former POW into their house. I together with three mates was invited by Elsa Erijen, where we were warmly welcomed, fed, given clothes and shoes and game more gifts to take with us home. But all these gifts were confiscated by the NKVD upon arrival to the Leningrad sea port, the very same day when POW returned to the Motherland.

Q: Were there any POW that decided not to return to USSR?

A: Yes, quite a few. Norwegians proposed us to stay, and then American agitated not to return to Russia. They promised anyone to send any place he wanted – America or Western Europe. Americans said right away that because of our captivity no one would be pardoned, ad if not shot, then sent to Siberia as we were still considered to be “Motherland’s traitors unfaithful to one’s military oath”.

Among our POW camp in Bergen no one became a traitor. We didn’t even have any POW in the camp police unit. And when Vlasov army deputies visited us no one left with them! But no one of us was expecting that back in Russia we would be just sent to our homes either. Because we all knew that Stalin considered all ex-POWs as traitors. Some gave it a serious thought and took the Americans offer. But to me personally my Motherland was above everything else. The Soviet officers arrived to Bergen in the beginning of June. They commenced assembling a list of all who was to be repatriated. I also signed in under the second name Gurin (note - alias assumed by the veteran in order to hide his Jewish identity while in the German captivity).
Soon a large group of POW was transported to Oslo where they joined another several thousands people group expecting repatriation. There were many who were sure that upon arrival we woild either be shot or given a 15 years labour camp sentence. Soon I was inclined to think the same, but did not see any other way forward for my self.

The ship docked in Leningrad. Groups of 100 people were taken to the dock, lined up behind the port buildings away from the stranger eyes. There all our possessions were taken from us including the gifts we received earlier. We given old used uniform to wear and shoes and escorted by the guards to the railway station, where we boarded goods cars and rolled to the filtration camp in town of Murom in the Valdimir Region.

From the first second of return to the Motherland we were treated like traitors.

Q: How was the filtration conducted in the Murom filtration camp?

A: We were lodged in the barracks on the empty wooden plank beds.
There was no physical punishments or such applied to us. But all the time we could hear threats from the guards and the investigators. During the first days the “suspicious” individuals were separated, as well as the officers from the ranks.

The investigators were calling in people one by one for a thorough interrogation. After about a week my turn came. The first thing I heard from the investigator was: “Are you Grigory D. Gurin? Take a sit, traitor! Tell us where and when and how you surrendered to the enemy?”
I replied: “Well, I am OK standing. And my surname isn’t Gurin but Vodiansky”. His reaction was promt. He jumped up and said right into my face: “Are you implying that you are a Jew? Then tell me how you, a Jew, managed to survive in a German concentration camp?” Then I presented my detailed account naming all the units I was serving in RKKA, objectives our Airborn Brigade, the circumstances of my surrender (I was injured) and that there are two alive witnesses to it.

When I ended my narration, the investigator was silent for a while and then said: “Well, you dismissed for now… For now… Expect the next interrogation session.” After two weeks the guards called me in again. Unlike the first session he was friendly. He offered me a chair. Then he asked me strictly: “Why did not you let your parents know that you are back and healthy?” I said that I did not know their whereabouts. They were evacuated to Cheliabinsk, but it was two years ago. The investigator replied: “We pulled some strings and found out that your parents live now in Ukraine in the town of Herson.” He gave me the address and told me to get in touch with them. At the end of our talk he said: “Expect to be called in again, but next time it will by other people.” Yes, next time I was called in by people who arranged the job placement fro the ex-POWs in the civilian sector. I received the temporary ID card, whish stated that I passed the filtration and is cleared, that I am a Soviet Union’s citizen and have right to vote.

I was sent to town Rostov to work on the limbering enterprise. On the 10th of June 1946 I left that work place and headed to town of Herson as a free man. But after arriving and as soon as I registered I was again called for a talk to the local State Security Department office. These continued for several months. The common civil passport I received only after 6 months.

royal744
01-28-2010, 04:45 PM
Some people were wondering (http://ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10288)... So here it is...




Can't say I understand how you Russians put up with that for so long. Amazing.