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namvet
01-27-2009, 08:38 PM
a salute to them all


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Ivaylo
01-28-2009, 12:29 PM
wow i would salute to them every day and night if i can :) :)

Nickdfresh
01-28-2009, 03:52 PM
wow i would salute to them every day and night if i can :) :)

Some of us already have. ;)

pdf27
01-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Given what most of them look like in real life, that's nothing to boast about!

Schuultz
01-28-2009, 09:21 PM
lol @ pdf

and as for women in the military: I'm absolutely for it, as long as they don't expect (and/or get) special treatment compared to the rest of the troops. Not only causes that kind of stuff turmoil within the units, but it's also simply unfair.

Don't know what I mean? Look at this:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gBUDDgNNvMg

The sad thing is, this 'soldier' is a captain by now...

namvet
01-28-2009, 09:35 PM
lol @ pdf

and as for women in the military: I'm absolutely for it, as long as they don't expect (and/or get) special treatment compared to the rest of the troops. Not only causes that kind of stuff turmoil within the units, but it's also simply unfair.

Don't know what I mean? Look at this:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gBUDDgNNvMg

The sad thing is, this 'soldier' is a captain by now...

ah that's halarious. to much beer and twinkies???? :mrgreen:

Schuultz
01-29-2009, 07:29 AM
Something like that, I guess...

One can only hope that she gets a nice office job and never has to enter the field. That might actually be what she signed up for in the first place, so her (sad) lack of fitness could be explained that way...

Though I wonder how she made it through Basic Training :shock:

Ivaylo
01-29-2009, 08:59 AM
lol @ pdf

and as for women in the military: I'm absolutely for it, as long as they don't expect (and/or get) special treatment compared to the rest of the troops. Not only causes that kind of stuff turmoil within the units, but it's also simply unfair.

Don't know what I mean? Look at this:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gBUDDgNNvMg

The sad thing is, this 'soldier' is a captain by now...

Oh my God :shock: that was amazing video thanks for sharing Shuultz :D:D I think that girl is not even for cleaner in army she is soo poor , i can only hope that one day if in case of war the girls here in the army won't be the same .

namvet
01-29-2009, 09:19 AM
and those guys were helping her along. when I was in boot they kick you along calling you every name in the book !!!!! is this an exception or do they help all women along like this???? if they wanna play lumber jack they have to hold up their end of the log. no I have nothing against them being in the military. matter a fact im pissed they didn't have em when I served. to have those hot women walking around on a ship. man. gives a whloe new meaning to lights out. :) and yes some of them do wind up pregnant. wonder if command knows what cause's that ???? :mrgreen::rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
01-29-2009, 09:23 AM
Given what most of them look like in real life, that's nothing to boast about!

Ha! They weren't all wildebeests. :D There were a few cute ones and some that sort of got suckered into enlisting. One girl that was just a friend was a 20 year old who enlisted with her boyfriend so they could get married. Both trained together in the same logistics MOS but were stationed apart at separate duty stations. Predictably, he met someone else and she felt a bit taken-in as she planned to go to college and not the Army before she met him. One of my friends was "seeing her," as she really wasn't looking for a serious boyfriend understandably...

Having said that, it was a very good idea to steer clear of any serious relationships as lot of the Army chicks (but certainly not all) were pretty whacked. And I was stationed in Washington, D.C. and went to college clubs mostly...

Schuultz
01-29-2009, 09:25 AM
It's not during normal basing training, it's a kind of 'open house' for the military academy. She was training to become an officer at that time, but hadn't gone through basic training yet, she was still going to university...

They didn't kick her because they weren't actually training... I can only hope they would otherwise.

And as for women in the navy: Definitely only in the Australian Navy. I mentioned it earlier, they actually pay for female sailor's breast implants!!!

Nickdfresh
01-29-2009, 09:27 AM
lol @ pdf

and as for women in the military: I'm absolutely for it, as long as they don't expect (and/or get) special treatment compared to the rest of the troops. Not only causes that kind of stuff turmoil within the units, but it's also simply unfair.

Don't know what I mean? Look at this:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gBUDDgNNvMg

The sad thing is, this 'soldier' is a captain by now...

It's important not to make generalizations though. Not all garrison soldiers are meant to be commandos ready to run a marathon at all times, and I would say I met a lot of "lifer" fatties that were old men, especially in the Reserve, just collecting a paycheck and a generous retirement they might not have really deserved as AGRs for instance; that girl would have toasted them on a PT test! I knew women that were triathletes and I think women do have a place in the military.

Intelligence and special operations units find them particularly useful actually...

Schuultz
01-29-2009, 09:29 AM
If you read my later posts, you'll see that I don't want to generalize. I was mainly just using this as a funny video.

Rising Sun*
01-29-2009, 09:54 AM
And as for women in the navy: Definitely only in the Australian Navy. I mentioned it earlier, they actually pay for female sailor's breast implants!!!

Any money spent on tits is money well spent. :D

Seriously, the Australian armed forces dropped their standards on a range of things, such as times over courses and weights to be carried, maybe a couple of decades ago to accommodate the lower strength and performance standards of women. I just hope that our future enemies, who lack our commitment to equal opportunity (not to mention a few other things which assure brutality and no quarter), adopt the same policies. :rolleyes:

And, No, I'm not opposed to women in any area of human endeavour. But I am opposed to mindless gender equality bullshit which says that women are equal to men in all fields, which facts and experience as distinct from feminist dogma show they're not. There's a very good reason that you don't see women playing gridiron or rugby or even soccer against men and that is because they simply aren't designed for it, any more than men are designed to breast feed and spend all day worrying about cellulite on their thighs.

pdf27
01-29-2009, 10:39 AM
Ha! They weren't all wildebeests. :D There were a few cute ones and some that sort of got suckered into enlisting.
No, just over 50% of them (with only a very, very few who are actually good looking). And a lot of the hippocrocogorillapigs actually look quite acceptable in civvies. There's just something about DPM which turns women ugly.

Rising Sun*
01-30-2009, 05:46 AM
There's just something about DPM which turns women ugly.

I expect that could change after a bloke had been away from civilisation for a while.

Anyway, it's not like your average male grunt is recruited on the basis of his movie star looks.

Nickdfresh
01-30-2009, 10:07 AM
No, just over 50% of them (with only a very, very few who are actually good looking). And a lot of the hippocrocogorillapigs actually look quite acceptable in civvies. There's just something about DPM which turns women ugly.

I agree, but conversely there's also something about a uniform that makes marginally good, or average, looking (what we use to call "plain-janes") really good looking because of all the hippocrocogorillapigs in comparison.

I once had a conversation with a snarky little yuppie ***** who knew nothing about anything military (obviously insecure with his masculinity) remark that all US military women must be basically all butch lesbians. While there were certainly gay women, one attractive older major I had in command was rumored to have been one, there were many, many more heterosexual women (both enlisted and officers) who reveled in the fact that they were ignored in high school and college as average-looking, but suddenly were now queens outnumbered by horny men with a ratio strongly in their favor and their stock increased, as well as the attention afforded them, dramatically...

Schuultz
01-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Wow... but that is probably a lot more prevalent in the Navy than in the Air Force or Ground Forces out of pretty obvious reasons...

muscogeemike
01-29-2011, 08:55 PM
I know this is a dated thread but I want to comment. I served (in the US Army) in positions up to, and including, First Sergeant of a forward deployed unit which was at least ľ female. My company (and the rest of the Battalion) were billeted in ďco-edĒ barracks.
I experienced first hand the huge increase in females in the Army (even serving an in-voluntary tour in Recruiting). By and large they (females) are fine soldiers, generally more intelligent than males (the mental enlistment standards were higher females), but, as Rising Sun points out, they are not always the equal to men. Certainly in physical, load carrying and labor tasks.
Incidentally, there are a lot of very attractive women in the US Military. I dated several and married one (I was often told she was far out of my league).

Rising Sun*
01-30-2011, 09:28 AM
I experienced first hand the huge increase in females in the Army (even serving an in-voluntary tour in Recruiting). By and large they (females) are fine soldiers, generally more intelligent than males (the mental enlistment standards were higher females) but, as Rising Sun points out, they are not always the equal to men. Certainly in physical, load carrying and labor tasks.


Women tend to be better at some tasks than men where physical strength isn't an issue.

Some male tradesmen I know are keen to hire women because of their attention to detail in trades where that matters, such as painting and cabinetmaking, and because a lot of male apprentices and tradesmen don't work to such high standards. But you won't find any bricklayers or concreters looking for female labourers where dumb strength counts all day.

I was seriously pissed off about 25 years ago when we had a couple of women who managed to get a drive in our premier national car racing competition and who did very well, but there was no official encouragement for other women to join the hairy chested racing scene. The problem wasnít that women couldnít compete with men but the men running the show didnít seem to want to have more women competing with men.

Tasks like driving a motor vehicle or flying a plane or captaining a ship don't require more physical strength than women have and there's no reason to exclude them from those jobs in the military or anywhere else.

There is always the risk that men under female superiors might not accept their authority because theyíre women, but thatís a problem with the menís attitudes rather than the womenís capacity. Still, there are units where one needs to be able to impress oneís authority on oneís subordinates by something more than rank badges and many, but not necessarily all, women might find some difficulty in such units.

I saw a television program tonight on women who were ferry pilots in Britain in WWII. One of them flew 76 different types of plane in her career. Many of them flew, in one day, a range of planes from spotters to naval planes to fighters to four engine bombers, with only very brief operator notes and no prior training on the specific aircraft. Meanwhile men were trained only as bomber or fighter or whatever pilots. Iím not saying men couldnít have been as versatile and adaptable as women, but those women proved that women were as good as any male pilot.

In the USSR women distinguished themselves in various combat and other military capacities, as they have done in other nations.

There are serious issues to be confronted in putting women into combat positions, notably their treatment if captured, which make it debatable whether they should be put at special risk because of their gender. But plenty of women who werenít in combat positions in the military in WWII, and in other wars, ended up confronting the same issues in captivity, so keeping them out of combat units doesnít guarantee that they wonít face the same problems.

There are also issues about sex discrimination and related matters which, in a few public scandals and undoubtedly many more unpublicised events in the Australian Defence Force, raise serious questions about the way women are treated in our armed forces, but similar issues have arisen with mistreatment of male soldiers by their equal ranks and superiors so itís not so much a problem with the gender of the recruit but the mentality of the service and its people who train and supervise them.


Incidentally, there are a lot of very attractive women in the US Military. I dated several and married one (I was often told she was far out of my league).

I imagine she never tired of telling you that. ;) :D

Iron Yeoman
01-31-2011, 04:41 PM
Women in the army? Best thing ever. Personally I don't think they should be in teeth arms (and long may it remain so) but they do a cracking job just the same as blokes. And sometimes because the forces are male dominated the girls usually tend to make more of an effort. Plus, having women in the army can have 'fringe' benefits. My last unit was mixed and by a stroke of luck I was going to be on stag with the prettiest girl in the platoon during one of the coldest winters on records (the fact I wrote the stag rota was mere coincidence;) ).

Unfortunately, due to the extreme cold we were forced to huddle together to keep warm:D I even had to sacrifice my dignity and rub parts of her in order to keep her warm.

tankgeezer
01-31-2011, 05:25 PM
I never much cared as long as they would do their jobs,, Ugly can be useful, especially in scaring the enemy.:shock: We need an abject panic&fear emoticon.

Iron Yeoman
01-31-2011, 06:01 PM
I never much cared as long as they would do their jobs,, Ugly can be useful, especially in scaring the enemy.:shock: We need an abject panic&fear emoticon.

Ah now, here's an important question - at what point do ugly girls become attractive in the field? 1 week? A month? six months?

muscogeemike
01-31-2011, 10:34 PM
Indeed, Rising Sun, she did often - and the marriage was short lived.

Rising Sun*
02-01-2011, 07:24 AM
Ah now, here's an important question - at what point do ugly girls become attractive in the field? 1 week? A month? six months?

Time is proportionate to ugliness.

That is, the uglier the girl, the longer it takes for the equivalent of beer goggles to apply. This does not make ugly girls (or boys, if you're in a certain segment of the navy ;) :D) ) more attractive.

Time just increases the desperation of the viewer and reduces his standards under the urgency of a moment of opportunity. The same applies to the girl, which enables two people who normally would repulse each other to join in momentary rapture in a wet slit trench.

Vonss
02-01-2011, 07:23 PM
Women in the army? Best thing ever. Personally I don't think they should be in teeth arms (and long may it remain so) but they do a cracking job just the same as blokes. And sometimes because the forces are male dominated the girls usually tend to make more of an effort. Plus, having women in the army can have 'fringe' benefits. My last unit was mixed and by a stroke of luck I was going to be on stag with the prettiest girl in the platoon during one of the coldest winters on records (the fact I wrote the stag rota was mere coincidence ).

Unfortunately, due to the extreme cold we were forced to huddle together to keep warm I even had to sacrifice my dignity and rub parts of her in order to keep her warm.
Get out of dream land! Military is a seriors job; best to keep it as a man's profession.
Just cause some women MAY be equal to a man,does not mean all women are-------- many /most women are not!

tankgeezer
02-01-2011, 09:14 PM
Have a look at the roles filled by women in the Soviet, and the Israeli military, past, and present. Gender is a moot point when facing a live weapon in trained hands.

pdf27
02-02-2011, 02:30 AM
Get out of dream land! Military is a seriors job; best to keep it as a man's profession.
Just cause some women MAY be equal to a man,does not mean all women are-------- many /most women are not!
Why, they'll be giving women the vote and permitting them to drive automobiles next!

Iron Yeoman
02-02-2011, 03:46 AM
Get out of dream land! Military is a seriors job; best to keep it as a man's profession.
Just cause some women MAY be equal to a man,does not mean all women are-------- many /most women are not!

Dream land? I think that's your current home sunshine. I think the three girls who won the MC in Afghanistan speak for themselves and their gender.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-422754/Teenage-army-medic-woman-win-Military-Cross.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231434/Second-female-soldier-given-Military-Cross-tending-injured-soldier-heavy-Taliban-fire.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328281/Army-medic-Sarah-Bushbye-woman-awarded-Military-Cross.html

A military should be reflective of the society they protect. It's that sort of ridiculous thinking that women aren't equal that kept the American army racially segregated until Korea.

Rising Sun*
02-02-2011, 07:27 AM
Dream land? I think that's your current home sunshine. I think the three girls who won the MC in Afghanistan speak for themselves and their gender.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-422754/Teenage-army-medic-woman-win-Military-Cross.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231434/Second-female-soldier-given-Military-Cross-tending-injured-soldier-heavy-Taliban-fire.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328281/Army-medic-Sarah-Bushbye-woman-awarded-Military-Cross.html

Point made, clearly and concisely.

Well done, that man.

Or woman. ;) :D

Rising Sun*
02-02-2011, 07:43 AM
Get out of dream land! Military is a seriors job; best to keep it as a man's profession.
Just cause some women MAY be equal to a man,does not mean all women are-------- many /most women are not!

Many, probably most, men aren't capable of discharging the onerous demands of infantry, which is the heart of any army and which does the hard fighting that takes and holds ground, in any war.

Most men in WWII, and subsequent wars in which the West was involved, didn't serve in infantry or either of the other Arms. A good proportion of them never even got remotely close to the sound of enemy fire.

Most men in those wars were involved in logistics and administration and other non-combat duties. That doesn't reduce the importance of their service because, without them, the Arms couldn't have performed.

But I can't think of one of those jobs that couldn't have been done by a woman, and many now are.

As for combat, research Soviet women snipers and fighter pilots in WWII, among others.

If it comes to a physical test, pound for pound men will generally beat women. But put a gun in the hand of each and you'll find out why a slang term for a gun between the wars was 'an equaliser'.

Schuultz
02-02-2011, 10:09 PM
Most men in WWII, and subsequent wars in which the West was involved, didn't serve in infantry or either of the other Arms. A good proportion of them never even got remotely close to the sound of enemy fire.

Most men in those wars were involved in logistics and administration and other non-combat duties. That doesn't reduce the importance of their service because, without them, the Arms couldn't have performed.

I once read somewhere that, as a good rule of thumb, you can say that for every fighting man, an army employs three who allow him to keep fighting. (That's logistics, supplies, organization, planning, etc)
As such, I couldn't agree more with you. Let women join the army, there's plenty of jobs that they can do just as well as any man. HOWEVER, do not utilize women in any role which they can't fill 100% out of sheer political correctness. Much can be said for the gun as the great equalizer, but a soldier does so much more than just shoot. He has to be able to march, he has to be able to carry tens of kilograms of weight and he has to be able to carry his wounded comrade should need be.
But there is also another part to being an infantryman: A complete and utter lack of privacy. A female soldier has absolutely no right to expect special treatment. If she walks off into the woods to pee, there's a good chance she'd get killed - if not by preying hostiles then by a nervous sentry.

A while back, I read about how the Hamburg Fire Department was sued and forced to reduce their minimum fitness requirements and the corresponding exercise in the practical entry exam: A woman had complained that the physical requirements were sexist because as a woman, she wouldn't be able to pass them.
This is the kind of political correctness that just causes more sexism and creates prejudices: If a certain physical ability is required to do one's job, this shouldn't be subject to political correctness: If a firefighter isn't able to, say, lift a beam out of the way or off a person, she isn't fit to do the job, male or female.

But this is just an example of gender equality gone wrong. If there is no physical or psychological reason why a woman can't do the job, she should be considered equal to a man. However, lowering the standard of admission just so that more women are able to reach it is the wrong way: This just creates more problems than it solves.


As for combat, research Soviet women snipers and fighter pilots in WWII, among others.

Both of these are great examples of combat jobs that women could do just as well as men. Basically anything in which the ability to operate a machine makes (certain) physical ability obsolete, they're usually just as good.
The sniper thing is a little bit different though. The Soviet snipers were basically expert marksman who usually traveled with the army and just went on independent sorties.
Modern snipers are usually a combination of marksmen and long range recon elements. They have to be extremely physically capable, as they basically have to carry sometimes weeks of supplies with them, as well as additional weaponry and equipment. This might make it a good bit harder for women nowadays...

tankgeezer
02-02-2011, 11:50 PM
Schuultz said: "They have to be extremely physically capable, as they basically have to carry sometimes weeks of supplies with them, as well as additional weaponry and equipment. This might make it a good bit harder for women nowadays.."

I have seen young mothers carrying most of a household along while out with their kids, they probably wouldnt notice the addition of a weapon or two. :)
further, the combat effectiveness of females could be substantially enhanced merely by telling them that the enemy has just made off with all of their chocolate.:shock:

Iron Yeoman
02-03-2011, 03:44 AM
Schuultz said: "They have to be extremely physically capable, as they basically have to carry sometimes weeks of supplies with them, as well as additional weaponry and equipment. This might make it a good bit harder for women nowadays.."

I have seen young mothers carrying most of a household along while out with their kids, they probably wouldnt notice the addition of a weapon or two. :)
further, the combat effectiveness of females could be substantially enhanced merely by telling them that the enemy has just made off with all of their chocolate.:shock:

I can see it now a whole battalion of women whom if properly used could be devastating. Just think once they've harmonised their menstrual cycles (and they will!) all you have to do is wait for 'the time of the month' and say to them 'that bunch over there said you look fat' and wait for the carnage to ensue, although you might get done for war crimes against the enemy:shock:

Rising Sun*
02-03-2011, 09:24 AM
I can see it now a whole battalion of women whom if properly used could be devastating. Just think once they've harmonised their menstrual cycles (and they will!) all you have to do is wait for 'the time of the month' and say to them 'that bunch over there said you look fat' and wait for the carnage to ensue, although you might get done for war crimes against the enemy:shock:

Nah, you're not thinking at a tactical level using all available resources.

The special forces types need to go behind enemy lines and place self-powered loudspeakers, then return to their own lines.

The Psychology Corps, carefully instructed by me as this is a bit too brutal for them, then broadcasts through the speakers not a simplistic 'you look fat' but the more subtle and more deeply damaging "Have you seen the arses on those sheilas over there? I thought a two hump camel was lying on its side until she stood up. Well, struggled up with all that arse weight behind her. Then I thought she was facing me, becuase the humps were down around her knees. But when she started walking away from me, I realised that no amount of camo was going to conceal the fact that her enormous arse had dropped. If her arse looks that big in camos, it'd look like a small planet in jeans. Assuming anyone makes jeans with a fork lift on the back to hold that blubber. ' Etc, etc.

Everyone between the shelias and the speakers is guaranteed walking dead. ;) :D

P.S. Sometimes in shopping centres I look into ladies' clothes stores and see a sheila trying on something or holding it against her, and every bone in my body tells me to yell out "****, but your arse looks enormous in that."

But I'm mature, so I don't.

I just yell out "I love every bone in your body. Especially mine." :D

tankgeezer
02-03-2011, 11:32 AM
I can see it now a whole battalion of women whom if properly used could be devastating. Just think once they've harmonised their menstrual cycles (and they will!) all you have to do is wait for 'the time of the month' and say to them 'that bunch over there said you look fat' and wait for the carnage to ensue, although you might get done for war crimes against the enemy:shock:
The whole war crimes thing can be avoided, if the psy-ops people let it be known that any men captured by these women will be forced to mate with them, the opposition forces will shoot themselves. (its easier to do that than chew ones own limbs off to escape):lol:

Vonss
02-04-2011, 08:40 AM
I agree; wwII Russian women as Snipers and Air Craft pilots are equal too men,there's no boundries, There is some roles that women can to just as good or better than men,and these two roles are the two. I am talking about infrantry roles! women are less physical than men are;less capable in running and carring combat equipment;yet,women are being place in these roles for combat;these women are just lucky,we will never see wars like WWI and WWII ever again.
As for women bodys & natrual body fluids;--- was not meant for fighting roles. Sorry if I sound sexiest,but this is how I view women in military.

tankgeezer
02-04-2011, 08:51 AM
There may well be nothing more dangerous than a female IDF soldier with an Uzi in one hand, and an Elite bar in the other. In fact a rolling pin would be lethal enough in that situation.:cool:

leccy
02-04-2011, 10:40 AM
Having only left the forces in 2007 I saw alot of females taking up roles traditionally held by males only. In most cases I had no problem with them as long as they fitness requirements were the same between the two sexes.

Unfortunately the females had lower fitness requirements than the males to do the same job (even basic fitness tests) and recieved the same pay.

I lost count of the times when I would be approached (and was even reported once for refusing to help 'read do the job) to change a truck tyre as the female drivers could not (yet they are fully capable of doing the job, hmm what happens when they are not just base ratting but actually out on their own).

In my own Corps they made alot about the fact that females could now become Sappers, but they did not have to do Minewarfare or Bridging (too dangerous or too heavy for them) yet they got the same qualifications and pay.

I know quite a few females who can do those jobs and in some cases much better than some of the blokes I worked with (seen many a bloke struggle to lift bridging panels).

I am all for equality as long as it is for both sexes if females wish to do combat roles, mechanic, drivers etc etc then fine but they should do and pass the same fitness tests and do the same training as the lads doing those jobs, they should not keep doing the 'flutter eyelashes bit' at the nearest bloke to get them to do the heavy stuff.

gumalangi
02-06-2011, 04:53 AM
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Schuultz
02-06-2011, 04:03 PM
Yes, gumalangi, women look purty in uniforms. But soldiers aren't supposed to be eye candy, they're supposed to be professionals doing a job - and I find some of the stuff leccy recounted pretty disturbing. If a truck driver is not able to change tires, she's not qualified for the job. If a pioneer/sapper can't clear mines/build bridges, they're not qualified to be pioneers. The fact that they're still allowed to pretend to be such is a travesty.

gumalangi
02-07-2011, 06:45 AM
Yes, gumalangi, women look purty in uniforms. But soldiers aren't supposed to be eye candy, they're supposed to be professionals doing a job - and I find some of the stuff leccy recounted pretty disturbing. If a truck driver is not able to change tires, she's not qualified for the job. If a pioneer/sapper can't clear mines/build bridges, they're not qualified to be pioneers. The fact that they're still allowed to pretend to be such is a travesty.

It is true,.. why have a dog if cant bark,. but like dogs,. is it a guard dog,. or just pet dog,..they serve purposes,. like truck driver,. if the truck is well maintained,. i do not think changing tire would be necessary,.. as we noted many bus driver are ladies.. but they cant change they punctured tires, but yet they performed quite well.:D

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Rising Sun*
02-07-2011, 09:03 AM
Having only left the forces in 2007 I saw alot of females taking up roles traditionally held by males only. In most cases I had no problem with them as long as they fitness requirements were the same between the two sexes.

Unfortunately the females had lower fitness requirements than the males to do the same job (even basic fitness tests) and recieved the same pay.

I lost count of the times when I would be approached (and was even reported once for refusing to help 'read do the job) to change a truck tyre as the female drivers could not (yet they are fully capable of doing the job, hmm what happens when they are not just base ratting but actually out on their own).

In my own Corps they made alot about the fact that females could now become Sappers, but they did not have to do Minewarfare or Bridging (too dangerous or too heavy for them) yet they got the same qualifications and pay.

I know quite a few females who can do those jobs and in some cases much better than some of the blokes I worked with (seen many a bloke struggle to lift bridging panels).

I am all for equality as long as it is for both sexes if females wish to do combat roles, mechanic, drivers etc etc then fine but they should do and pass the same fitness tests and do the same training as the lads doing those jobs, they should not keep doing the 'flutter eyelashes bit' at the nearest bloke to get them to do the heavy stuff.

I couldn't agree more!

The job determines the requirements, not the person in the job.

In my day I lugged the usual load plus an M60 and necessary accessories. I don't think the blokes my M60 was supposed to support would have been favourably impressed if I'd informed them that the total weight was a bit beyond me so I was ditching the M60.

I don't care if they're female or male, but if they can't do the job then they shouldn't be in it. And the job requirements shouldn't be gender based, but derived solely from the needs of the service.

Rising Sun*
02-07-2011, 09:06 AM
Yes, gumalangi, women look purty in uniforms. But soldiers aren't supposed to be eye candy, ...

Maybe not, but Indonesia's not very far from where I am and, in light of gumalangi's photos, I'm starting to think a trip north to cement defence relations with Australia mightn't be a bad thing. ;) :D

tankgeezer
02-07-2011, 10:37 AM
RS*,an exemplary citizen,always has the good of his Nation at heart. :)

pdf27
02-07-2011, 12:31 PM
Maybe not, but Indonesia's not very far from where I am and, in light of gumalangi's photos, I'm starting to think a trip north to cement defence relations with Australia mightn't be a bad thing. ;) :D
Hate to say it mate, but if you went they'd probably declare war!

Rising Sun*
02-07-2011, 03:59 PM
Hate to say it mate, but if you went they'd probably declare war!

I wouldn't mind being attacked by a brigade or two of those sheilas.

Iron Yeoman
02-07-2011, 05:28 PM
I wouldn't mind being attacked by a brigade or two of those sheilas.

RS* i'll take the hit and provide your flank support, I could probably only manage a battalion of those 'sheilas' before battle fatigue set in.

tankgeezer
02-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Tactical oysters...

Iron Yeoman
02-07-2011, 06:42 PM
Hello 0 this is IY send viagra replen over.

Rising Sun*
02-07-2011, 06:55 PM
I could probably only manage a battalion of those 'sheilas' before battle fatigue set in.

You'll be able to do more.

I'm looking at a long campaign.

gumalangi
02-07-2011, 08:04 PM
You should RS,. you should :D :D...

glad to be around again :D

Cheers
G

gumalangi
02-07-2011, 08:13 PM
are you all gonna sheila these too? :P

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Strategic Army Reserve (Kostrad)
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Special Army Unit (Kopassus)

leccy
02-08-2011, 11:28 AM
It is true,.. why have a dog if cant bark,. but like dogs,. is it a guard dog,. or just pet dog,..they serve purposes,. like truck driver,. if the truck is well maintained,. i do not think changing tire would be necessary,.. as we noted many bus driver are ladies.. but they cant change they punctured tires, but yet they performed quite well.:D

Lol unfortunately tyres get punctured, tracks get thrown, basic requirements for drivers are ability to secure their load and maintenance of their own vehicles, does not matter when they have to change a tyre or wheel they still have to do it in the military sometime. With females being deployed more and more on ops this sort of thing comes up more and more.

Years ago females got less pay for being drivers etc as they did not do the full range of jobs, they were restricted from some jobs as they were deemed unsuitable for them (due to strength or physique) now due to equal opportunity and sex discrimination they can now get the same pay but not have the same ability (same goes for some blokes) as someone else who can do the job. In my Corps they got the same wages and qualification but were exempt some jobs.

British Army Basic Fitness Requirements (and this is Equal is it)
Basic training tests (http://www.hmforces.co.uk/content/Army_basic_training)

muscogeemike
02-08-2011, 11:30 PM
As I said I think women make fine soldiers in selected positions, but, as others point out, not all positions.

As long as they can’t be drafted and sent into combat and men can (as far as I know at 18 males in the US are still required to register for the draft) they are not equal.

I did not hesitate to express this opinion and it hurt my Army career. NCO Evaluation reports in the 1970’s had spaces for “supports equal opportunities”, meaning minorities and women, and I was downgraded on occasion.

Iron Yeoman
02-09-2011, 03:52 AM
As I said I think women make fine soldiers in selected positions, but, as others point out, not all positions.

As long as they can’t be drafted and sent into combat and men can (as far as I know at 18 males in the US are still required to register for the draft) they are not equal.

I did not hesitate to express this opinion and it hurt my Army career. NCO Evaluation reports in the 1970’s had spaces for “supports equal opportunities”, meaning minorities and women, and I was downgraded on occasion.

PC nonsense isn't new then.