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Schuultz
01-02-2009, 06:01 PM
Hi everybody

I recently discovered 3 old WW2 medals from my Great-Uncles (not sure if that's the right term).

It's two War Merit Medals and one medal awarded for 4 years in the Wehrmacht.

Now I was wondering if there was any way / location where you could look up what these medals were awarded for (the specific reasons, not general criteria)? I can't ask them myself, because they are both already dead, but I'm still pretty curious.

(Don't bother with the "4 Years in the Wehrmacht" one, pretty self-explanatory)

flamethrowerguy
01-02-2009, 11:08 PM
Hi everybody

I recently discovered 3 old WW2 medals from my Great-Uncles (not sure if that's the right term).

It's two War Merit Medals and one medal awarded for 4 years in the Wehrmacht.

Now I was wondering if there was any way / location where you could look up what these medals were awarded for (the specific reasons, not general criteria)? I can't ask them myself, because they are both already dead, but I'm still pretty curious.

(Don't bother with the "4 Years in the Wehrmacht" one, pretty self-explanatory)

On the quick (being at work), there's quite a difference between the War Merrit Cross with and without swords. You should check for that detail.

navyson
01-03-2009, 07:55 AM
Hi Schuultz,
Is it this:3101

Or, this:3102

Schuultz
01-03-2009, 09:20 AM
Both War Merit Crosses were with the Swords, one still had the ribbon attached, the one pictured had it ripped off. On the back it says "39" for both War Merit Crosses. As far as I know, my uncles were both Fallschirmjaeger.

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq271/Schuultz/100_1177.jpg
http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq271/Schuultz/100_1187-Copy.jpg

flamethrowerguy
01-03-2009, 12:01 PM
As you mentioned the medal is called "Dienstauszeichnung der Wehrmacht 4.Klasse, 4 Jahre" (Long Service Medal 4th Class, 4 Years).
However it's strange that it's the the "Heer" version, as a paratrooper your grand-uncle should have been awarded the Luftwaffe version. Anyway, there are always some alternate possibilities e.g. being a member of the early Heer "Fallschirm-Infanterie-Bataillon"

3104
Sorry, no better pic of the LW version at hand right now.

The War Merit Cross is "2nd class with swords" meaning awarded for special merits while exposed to enemy use of arms.

Schuultz
01-03-2009, 12:53 PM
Sorry for not being clear, I meant the 2 War Merit Crosses were awarded to my Grand-Uncles.


I am not exactly sure about the Long Service Medal, but this might be my Great-Grandfather's, he was a normal Wehrmacht Heer soldier, died guarding an ammo train in France.

As I said, I don't know a lot about my uncles' service time, except they were Fallschirmjaeger. (the war merit crossess came in boxes with it inscribed, and we still have my grand-uncles field box [feldkiste?] in the Basement)

Schuultz
01-03-2009, 01:01 PM
The War Merit Cross is "2nd class with swords" meaning awarded for special merits while exposed to enemy use of arms.

That's what I found out, too. But I just thought that the commanding officer would have had to recommend them for the medal, so there should be some kind of individual description of their actions. As I said, they're dead, so I can't ask them anymore ^^

flamethrowerguy
01-03-2009, 01:13 PM
Well, if you got time and won't mind to spend some money I'd try with the Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt)
http://www.dd-wast.de/
If you're lucky they got some material about your relatives concerning the details of decoration.

Schuultz
01-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Thanks, I might try that one some time. I'll probably have to look up some details of them first, before I can send a request, they seem to want to know a lot to prove you actually knew them.

flamethrowerguy
01-03-2009, 02:31 PM
Thanks, I might try that one some time. I'll probably have to look up some details of them first, before I can send a request, they seem to want to know a lot to prove you actually knew them.

Right, from personal experiences I'd say that in your case you'll need a signed writ of one of your grandparents (brother respectively sister of the deceased).

navyson
01-03-2009, 06:03 PM
Here is a link for the medals:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/war_merit_cross/2_class.htm Gives some information.
Read the Presentation, Wear, and Documentation. Could be the reason that you wouldn't know why they were awarded.