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RicemanCDN
12-17-2008, 08:59 PM
whats your favorite MG?

RicemanCDN
12-17-2008, 09:05 PM
I would saay the MG-42 i beleive that it was the best MG in the war and possibly ever tis still used today and is known as the MG-3. the germans deploy them still!

Cuts
12-17-2008, 09:19 PM
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg352/scaled.php?server=352&filename=10302112497833543302404yn8.gif&xsize=578&ysize=480

Churchill
12-17-2008, 09:42 PM
:D :D :D That's a good one!

Rising Sun*
12-17-2008, 09:45 PM
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg352/scaled.php?server=352&filename=10302112497833543302404yn8.gif&xsize=578&ysize=480

Strange to relate but true, but this question doesn't seem to have been asked among all the 'favorite' questions this year or last year, so I suppose it will have to be allowed to survive.

Nonetheless,

http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg352/scaled.php?server=352&filename=10302112497833543302404yn8.gif&xsize=578&ysize=480

Ace Vantura
12-17-2008, 09:45 PM
MG-42 that gets my vote.

RifleMan20
12-17-2008, 10:50 PM
Strange to relate but true, but this question doesn't seem to have been asked among all the 'favorite' questions this year or last year, so I suppose it will have to be allowed to survive.

Nonetheless,

http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg352/scaled.php?server=352&filename=10302112497833543302404yn8.gif&xsize=578&ysize=480

May I join this head banging, I think this year has the most favorite threads yet.

http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg352/scaled.php?server=352&filename=10302112497833543302404yn8.gif&xsize=578&ysize=480

Though if I may, MG 42

Man of Stoat
12-18-2008, 04:20 AM
For me it would have to be the MGB-GT. I think the convertible MGB is sexier looking, but the GT version is just so much more practical. Oh yes, and definitely the earlier version without the "California" bumpers.

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 04:29 AM
For me it would have to be the MGB-GT. I think the convertible MGB is sexier looking, but the GT version is just so much more practical. Oh yes, and definitely the earlier version without the "California" bumpers.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

pdf27
12-18-2008, 04:57 AM
For me it would have to be the MGB-GT. I think the convertible MGB is sexier looking, but the GT version is just so much more practical. Oh yes, and definitely the earlier version without the "California" bumpers.
Surely you would prefer one of these?
http://www.aronline.co.uk/images/mgrev1980s_09.jpg

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 05:38 AM
It is clear from the poll question that the OP is interested in which MG you would want to carry into battle.

Obviously a man can't carry a standard MGB GT into battle, or anywhere else.

He can, however, carry the following MGB GT into battle, so I'd go for it.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/528/dinkymgbmc1.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dinkymgbmc1.jpg)

flamethrowerguy
12-18-2008, 06:01 AM
Let's not overlook the advantage of an MG that hasn't to be carried into battle but can be rolled, with remarkable performance as the photo shows.

3049

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 06:21 AM
Let's not overlook the advantage of an MG that hasn't to be carried into battle but can be rolled, with remarkable performance as the photo shows.

3049

It was excellent shooting to sever the tree without hitting any of the people standing around it, atlhough some of them do seem a little dazed. That must be a very accurate MG.

flamethrowerguy
12-18-2008, 06:23 AM
It was excellent shooting to sever the tree without hitting any of the people standing around it, atlhough some of them do seem a little dazed. That must be a very accurate MG.

Howewer it is told that the upper guy's shoulder was severely bruised by the falling log...

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 06:25 AM
Howewer it is told that the upper guy's shoulder was severely bruised by the falling log...

That would appear to be the least of his worries.

He's lost the top half of his head!

navyson
12-18-2008, 06:28 AM
I always thought it odd that the Japanese installed a bayonet on the Type 99 light machine gun.


3050

flamethrowerguy
12-18-2008, 06:28 AM
That would appear to be the least of his worries.

He's lost the top half of his head!

Excellent marksmanship indeed!

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 06:38 AM
Excellent marksmanship indeed!

Perhaps, but as he's still standing there seems to be a lack of killing power.

Maybe it was a gun designed to kill only trees, which would be very handy in forest attacks?

Man of Stoat
12-18-2008, 06:40 AM
Perhaps, but as he's still standing there seems to be a lack of killing power.

Maybe it was a gun designed to kill only trees, which would be very handy in forest attacks?

That must be the Agent Orange-model Maxim then.

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 06:42 AM
That must be the Agent Orange-model Maxim then.

Is that the Spanish version, designed for wiping out orange trees and their agents?

flamethrowerguy
12-18-2008, 06:54 AM
Perhaps, but as he's still standing there seems to be a lack of killing power.

Due to the high firing rate of the MG there's still the possibility that the brain wasn't able to transmit the message of death to the rest of the body anymore before it was seperated from the rest of the corpus...

Dixie Devil
12-18-2008, 06:56 AM
MG 42, just as long as I had a truck keeping me supplied with ammo;)

The U.S. M60 and the German M3 were just modifications to the original MG 42 and I know the M60 is still used by some American forces. That speaks rather highly of the gun.

Rising Sun*
12-18-2008, 08:23 AM
Due to the high firing rate of the MG there's still the possibility that the brain wasn't able to transmit the message of death to the rest of the body anymore before it was seperated from the rest of the corpus...

This goes a long way to explaining some of the posts which appear on this forum by members who appear to be brain dead. :rolleyes:

flamethrowerguy
12-18-2008, 08:34 AM
And who called this one an expendable thread?
http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Armee/93.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de)

Man of Stoat
12-18-2008, 08:51 AM
MG 42, just as long as I had a truck keeping me supplied with ammo;)

The U.S. M60 and the German M3 were just modifications to the original MG 42 and I know the M60 is still used by some American forces. That speaks rather highly of the gun.

I think that you will find that the M60 is a modification of the FG 42 with the belt feed from the MG 42 rather than a modification of the MG 42 itself...

Anyway, back to proper MGs -- about five years ago I very nearly bought one of the little boy racer MG cars built on the last generation Rover chassis, since you got a whole ARRSE load of performance for around 15.000. The body shape was actually acceptable, as opposed to that of the donor car, and they seemed pretty good. What stopped me was that, fundamentally, the dam thing was a Rover that someone had fiddled with. Cliches about polishing turds came flooding to mind, no matter what they looked like and that they appeared to work fine.

Glad I didn't, since Rover went bust (no bailout then!), and the world is a better place for its demise. I feel sorry for the guys that worked for it, but they could have been more cheaply employed digging out and filling in holes out in the boonies somewhere...

akashdnazi
12-18-2008, 09:27 AM
of course MG-42......bcoz it was the most dreaded MG in the World War II......

the Browning was also good.....but not as good as MG-42.......

First of All.....Most dreaded calibur.....7.92mm
then the fire rate.....1800rounds p/m.......!!!
then the range.....above2500 ft.....

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pdf27
12-18-2008, 09:39 AM
First of All.....Most dreaded calibur.....7.92mm
Hmmm... I wonder which would scare me more. An 18" HE shell, or a .3" bullet. What planet are you on exactly?

flamethrowerguy
12-18-2008, 09:44 AM
then the fire rate.....1800rounds p/m.......!!!

1800 rpm? The firing rate of the MG42 seems to increase more and more since the mid 40's.

Dixie Devil
12-18-2008, 09:46 AM
I think that you will find that the M60 is a modification of the FG 42 with the belt feed from the MG 42 rather than a modification of the MG 42 itself...

Quite right, we attempted to combine the best features of the MG 42 and the FG42 into the M 60 but being as the FG 42 wasn't on the poll I didn't include it.



First of All.....Most dreaded calibur.....7.92mm
then the fire rate.....1800rounds p/m.......!!!
then the range.....above2500 ft.....


The 7.92x57mm Mauser round was very similar to the American .30-'06 round
The cyclic rate was around 1200 rounds a minute but could vary. Nice for keeping heads down-bad for ammo bearers...
The range of about 1,000 meters (listed) wasn't anything exceptional

Kregs
12-18-2008, 04:47 PM
The MG42. It was reported that it had the highest average rates of fire of any single-barreled machine gun.

Man of Stoat
12-19-2008, 02:34 AM
The MG42. It was reported that it had the highest average rates of fire of any single-barreled machine gun.

Reported by whom? Because they are wrong... there is a Soviet machine gun for use as flexible aircraft armament which did 2000 rpm. The name escapes me at the moment...

Ivaylo
12-19-2008, 08:24 AM
MG-42 of course is my vote with the removing of the problems of MG-34 it appeared as a dangerous weapon on every battlefield and on every conditions .

Cuts
12-19-2008, 10:45 AM
My favourite mg is the 568.25 mg.

Rising Sun*
12-20-2008, 07:11 AM
My favourite mg is the 568.25 mg.

The 50 mg Diazepam is my favourite for stopping an attack.

Nothing survives it.

Cuts
12-20-2008, 07:23 AM
Although it's not strictly accurate, if 1 mg is taken to equal 1 ml, and allowing for locational variations, I still hold by my last.

Rising Sun*
12-20-2008, 07:30 AM
Although it's not strictly accurate, if 1 mg is taken to equal 1 ml, and allowing for locational variations, I still hold by my last.


Yeah, Big Boy?

When you've copped 50 mg Diazepam up your clacker, with tracer, your locational variations will be off the map.

Cuts
12-20-2008, 07:50 AM
Although it's not strictly accurate, if 1 mg is taken to equal 1 ml, and allowing for locational variations, I still hold by my last.

Yeah, Big Boy?

When you've copped 50 mg Diazepam up your clacker, with tracer, your locational variations will be off the map.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I wasn't actually contemplating Diazepam - and definitely nothing at all by that particular route !
Up in the Mother Country we still make better use of the 568 mg (aka 568 ml.)

tankgeezer
12-20-2008, 10:13 AM
I pick the 1870 Mitrailleuse.

kallinikosdrama1992
12-20-2008, 01:14 PM
I would say that you break my heart because we cant vote for two . I like the Browning .30 cal mostly but i also like the MG42 , because of its rate of fire mostly

colonel hogan
01-03-2009, 11:56 PM
you idiots didnt add the m2 browning .50 caliber hmg

Rising Sun*
01-04-2009, 06:08 AM
you idiots didnt add the m2 browning .50 caliber hmg

Before you start calling people idiots, work out why a .50 cal wasn't included in a question about MGs.

Or you'll continue to look like the idiot you have been showing yourself to be in various threads.

You've been warned before to watch your conduct, so do it. Tolerance of idiots is not limitless on this board

pdf27
01-04-2009, 06:46 AM
Carrying an FN-MAG is bad enough, I'd really rather NOT have to carry an M2!

Nickdfresh
01-04-2009, 07:59 AM
Carrying an FN-MAG is bad enough, I'd really rather NOT have to carry an M2!

It's nice to have on a mount in a bunker though..

Rising Sun*
01-04-2009, 08:03 AM
It's nice to have on a mount in a bunker though..

colonel hogan should be mounted in a bunker.

flamethrowerguy
01-04-2009, 08:11 AM
I'd emphatically suggest to bust him to Private Hogan before.

Cuts
01-04-2009, 08:13 AM
It's nice to have on a mount in a bunker though.

colonel hogan should be mounted in a bunker.

By whom ?

Can the award not be reduced to 'just holding hands' ?

Rising Sun*
01-04-2009, 08:58 AM
I'd emphatically suggest to bust him to Private Hogan before.

Don't worry, his privates will be busted by the mounting.

Rising Sun*
01-04-2009, 09:19 AM
By whom ?

Do we care?

A passer-by who just happens to be a poo jabber?

A rather dapper gentleman with a neat moustache who just happens to be a member of Her Majesty's Household Cavalry, who have always been rather indsicriminate about where they poke their lances?



Can the award not be reduced to 'just holding hands' ?

No, because colonel hogan is a fan of heavy calibre weapons and a hand job ain't gonna be a fair on a boy who wants a solid slug in him.
If he just wants to hold hands he should join the girl scouts, or the lower echelons of the air force, but as he loves the heavy browning then the navy is definitely the place for him.

Rising Sun*
01-04-2009, 09:23 AM
And who called this one an expendable thread?
http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Armee/93.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de)

I think you were rather ahead of me there. :D

Uyraell
02-09-2009, 10:37 AM
Quite right, we attempted to combine the best features of the MG 42 and the FG42 into the M 60 but being as the FG 42 wasn't on the poll I didn't include it.



The 7.92x57mm Mauser round was very similar to the American .30-'06 round
The cyclic rate was around 1200 rounds a minute but could vary. Nice for keeping heads down-bad for ammo bearers...
The range of about 1,000 meters (listed) wasn't anything exceptional

The highest ever r-o-f I've ever known of that was confirmed was 1520 rpm, by an experten MG42 team, who typically ran the thing at 1400. The "official" rate of fire cited from the Wehrmacht documentation is 1280 rounds per minute. (Source, published biography, citing the Heeres documentation).
Range was said as 1150 meters, with 1000 being deemed a typical expectation.

And yes, lest it be thought otherwise, I definitely favour MG42. I've carried one and not found it a burden. It falls easily to hand, and prepping it to fire is a smooth and natural experience, even to one as untrained in that arcane art as I.
Regards, Uyraell.

Major Walter Schmidt
02-11-2009, 07:13 PM
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1814/167/81/1634157067/n1634157067_91770_9766.jpg
That pretty much explains my view....

Splinter54
02-12-2009, 02:16 PM
[...]tis still used today and is known as the MG-3. the germans deploy them still!

Hello Riceman.

Sure the MG42 variant is still used, but only in some third world countries [perhaps some folks out there know the picture where the somlian pirate, all dressed up in red, holds up one of those, but without a barrel in it :mrgreen:].

The MG3 is the modified version of it - mainly speaking about the 'Verschlussbremse' or 'Nato-Bremse' inside the bolt, which reduces the weapons cadence and the projectiles speed [has something to do with humanity - we were told that the MG42 projectile was so fast under certain conditions, that a hit would result in such a shock situation of the blood circulation system, so the target is immediately dead ... and also a slower weapon saves ammunition and you don't have to change the barrel, bolt etc. that fast]. Also some minor mechanics were tweaked and a AA aiming net was attached to it [also you can clap the rear main aiming sights now up to adjust the distance to line of commencing fire etc. without showing your head. And many other things.

As you probably know the MG42 became faster and faster the hotter the weapon became when fireing it - the Nato-Bremse also solves that problem. I think the guys in Autriche build a weapon based on the MG42 which also contains something like a Nato-Bremse which you can adjust what cadence you want - the italians buy that one too.

Greetings.

PS: Nevertheless you are somewhat right - when i recall my boot camp time i can remember, that i once had a MG asset pocket made out of black leather with MG42 stamped on it - so we are still using 'some things' from that time. :army:

Nickdfresh
02-12-2009, 07:53 PM
The US Army performed a study after the War and found that although most casualties were caused by artillery fire of some sort, the machine gun had the distinction of having the highest wounding to death ratio. Fifty percent of all soldiers hit by machine fire died...

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 06:22 AM
The US Army performed a study after the War and found that although most casualties were caused by artillery fire of some sort, the machine gun had the distinction of having the highest wounding to death ratio. Fifty percent of all soldiers hit by machine fire died...

Nick, slightly random thought here, but is that the same study that recorded Germans as having had something like 50% less head casualties because of the helmet shape being more protective; or just a study that cross-referenced the fact?
I know that due to the study I'm thinking of, a major re-evaluation of helmet shape and protection factors took place, leading to the adoption of the current helmet. I'm just not sure if the study you mention and the study I have in mind is the same study, or two different-but-linked.

Regards, Uyraell.

Nickdfresh
02-13-2009, 06:26 AM
Nick, slightly random thought here, but is that the same study that recorded Germans as having had something like 50% less head casualties because of the helmet shape being more protective; or just a study that cross-referenced the fact?
I know that due to the study I'm thinking of, a major re-evaluation of helmet shape and protection factors took place, leading to the adoption of the current helmet. I'm just not sure if the study you mention and the study I have in mind is the same study, or two different-but-linked.

Regards, Uyraell.


I have no idea, but the current Kevlar helmet didn't come out until the early 1980s I think (I wore the Kevlar in basic training and had one issued thereon after, but did wear a "steel pot" during my MOS training actually) and there was a controversy due to its resemblance to the Stalheim...

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 08:37 AM
I have no idea, but the current Kevlar helmet didn't come out until the early 1980s I think (I wore the Kevlar in basic training and had one issued thereon after, but did wear a "steel pot" during my MOS training actually) and there was a controversy due to its resemblance to the Stalheim...

Yes, it's that controversy (in part, media-manufactured, in part manufactured by others with "vested interests", I've always thought) that made me ask you.
I had been aware of several studies, some of which were linked by virtue of cross-referencing eachother, I just wasn't fully certain in the cases of these two.

Regards, Uyraell.