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Manheim Schrute
10-23-2008, 10:42 PM
Forgive me if this has been already answered. But,did the Gross Duechsland division fight in France in 44 or 45. I ask only because of the heavy losses in Russia,did they have enough manpower to stay together.

flamethrowerguy
10-24-2008, 08:39 AM
Forgive me if this has been already answered. But,did the Gross Duechsland division fight in France in 44 or 45. I ask only because of the heavy losses in Russia,did they have enough manpower to stay together.

No, the Panzergrenadier-Division "Großdeutschland" (expanded to a tank corps by the end of September 1944) fought exclusively on the Eastern Front in 1944/45.

Manheim Schrute
10-24-2008, 06:33 PM
No, the Panzergrenadier-Division "Großdeutschland" (expanded to a tank corps by the end of September 1944) fought exclusively on the Eastern Front in 1944/45.

Thanks man, I'm still learning as I go along.

Carl Schwamberger
10-24-2008, 10:30 PM
Part of it may have been in the west in the last months. Some members of it were taken prisoner by the British army in March or April 1945. I dont know if they were some sor of adhoc unit created from stragglers in the last days, or if some o the GD regiments were sent west.

The original GD regiment fought in the West in 1940. it was attached to Guderians panzer corps and fought for a week at Sedan.

flamethrowerguy
10-25-2008, 07:54 AM
Part of it may have been in the west in the last months. Some members of it were taken prisoner by the British army in March or April 1945. I dont know if they were some sor of adhoc unit created from stragglers in the last days, or if some o the GD regiments were sent west.

The division/corps chronicles don't mention something like this. The unit surrendered as a whole in East Prussia and Samland. It's possible though that some minor scattered groups -same as all german forces- tried to avoid soviet captivity and make it to the British/Americans.

Just found this nice one on the net (lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de). Uniform jacket of a "GD" tank crew member:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Uniformen/20.jpg

kamehouse
10-25-2008, 03:22 PM
The original GD regiment fought in the West in 1940. it was attached to Guderians panzer corps and fought for a week at Sedan.
and the battle of Stonne.
They even had a service in Notre-Dame de Paris to remember their dead and celebrate Germany's victory.

Manheim Schrute
10-25-2008, 05:12 PM
The division/corps chronicles don't mention something like this. The unit surrendered as a whole in East Prussia and Samland. It's possible though that some minor scattered groups -same as all german forces- tried to avoid soviet captivity and make it to the British/Americans.

Just found this nice one on the net (lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de). Uniform jacket of a "GD" tank crew member:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Uniformen/20.jpg

Very cool pic flamethrowerguy,I like the insignia on the left wrist.

flamethrowerguy
10-25-2008, 05:26 PM
Very cool pic flamethrowerguy,I like the insignia on the left wrist.

Nice, isn't it?

This is actually the final, simplified version. Introduced in late 1940.
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With the original version the Großdeutschland writing was in the early 20th century german script called"Sütterlin".
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Manheim Schrute
10-25-2008, 05:56 PM
Nice, isn't it?

This is actually the final, simplified version. Introduced in late 1940.
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With the original version the Großdeutschland writing was in the early 20th century german script called"Sütterlin".
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It really is nice,the original scrpt on the sleeve is very old school.

flamethrowerguy
10-25-2008, 05:58 PM
It really is nice,the original scrpt on the sleeve is very old school.

Right, there are not too many people left who are able to read this...

flamethrowerguy
10-25-2008, 06:06 PM
and the battle of Stonne.
They even had a service in Notre-Dame de Paris to remember their dead and celebrate Germany's victory.

BTW, Joyeux Anniversaire, Kamehouse!:D

kamehouse
10-26-2008, 06:11 AM
BTW, Joyeux Anniversaire, Kamehouse!:D
lol well thank you very much.Off topic completely but touching nevertheless.:D

flamethrowerguy
10-28-2008, 10:27 AM
"Großdeutschland" guard in parade uniform:

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Manheim Schrute
10-28-2008, 06:04 PM
"Großdeutschland" guard in parade uniform:

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Once again flamethrowerguy,good job on this pic.

flamethrowerguy
11-06-2008, 04:46 PM
Just found this excellent early-war photo of a "GD" dispatch rider. On the vehicle to the right behind the soldier you can see the division's tactical sign - the german helmet.

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kamehouse
11-06-2008, 05:51 PM
Colorised picture?Signal maybe?

flamethrowerguy
11-06-2008, 06:28 PM
Colorised picture?Signal maybe?

Signal magazine photos were original color photos of course. I don't know if this is a colorized one, maybe the eyes are little too blue and the color of the canteen looks a bit too intensive...

P.S. Could anyone of the mods change the threads title to "Grossdeutschland", the way it is now hurts my eyes everytime I read it. ;)

Carl Schwamberger
11-10-2008, 09:56 AM
It really is nice,the original scrpt on the sleeve is very old school.

When young I had to learn its basics to read the family names off some old letters and personal documents. Along the way I also picked up the rudiments of German Gothic, Runic letters, Ogham, and Medival Mininscule.

No, my ancestors documents dont go as far back as Ogham. ;)