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Panzerknacker
09-19-2008, 07:17 PM
A exercise of honesty. I am not looking for any brainy analisis of what the countries actually are, but what comes to your when you think about those, without thinking much.


My list is:

-Argentina

-Brazil

-Chile

-Uruguay

-Colombia

-Mexico

-USA

-Canada

-Spain

-France

-Germany

-Austria

-Sweden

-Italy

-England

-Czech Republic

-Ukranie

-Rusia

-China

-Japan

-Saudi Arabia

-Lebanon

-South afrika

-Israel

-Australia.

-New Zealand


( copy and paste this list to your post in order to save time, feel free to add or deleted any country)


My toughts:


-Argentina; Paradise in Earth, hot woman factory, skilled people, ruined by bad politicians, underarmed military.


-Brazil. Overrated women, nice beaches, 12 years old kids with M-16s, great football players, Hotel employees saying "...please dont go out after 18:00..", black people.


-Chile: rude people, Argentine wanabees, ugly women, good military, good police, amazing south landscapes, black sand and cold water beaches, rude people


-Uruguay: I am not.


-Paraguay: Former girlfriend, nice but poor people. Marihuana, A country that somehow have more good looking woman that one might suppose .


-Colombia: Drugs infested country, uneffective military.


-Mexico: Bad spicy food, people with large hats, drug cartels, nice beaches, ugly women, people invading USA


-USA: Joyful cammo dressed chubby dove hunters, hot dovehunters wives, NBA, too much hurricanes, gun laws and amendment that I would love to have here, too much aircraft carriers, not so smart president. People that is always looking to pay in places that you dont suppose to. People that suffer in hands of mexicans inmigrants. Erika Eleniak. A lot of channels in my cable system that I have to pay but I dont really see much. Erika Eleniak.


-Canada: bears ?


-Spain: Grandfathers, nice people, good food, awful gun laws, people that sometimes is too afraid to spoke his mind out. Basque Terrorism, Country invaded by black people.


-France: Mirages, Rafales and wine, Laetitia Casta, Paris too.


-Germany: Blitkrieg, panzer, Wehrmatch, my neighbour BMW, Mercedes Benz, chocolate and cherry cakes, high quality machine tools. Autobahn. A land that should have more good looking girls that the number actually coming out from there.


-Austria: Hitler, strudel, Glock.


-Italy; My grandfathers, hot women, good food, hot women, really nice people, hot women, sexy ww2 aircrafts, hot women, fast cars, hot women, and hot women too.


England: Gun ban, good soldiers, Dormer, dowsized industry manufactures, Holland & Holland, the only people in Europe that actually knows about argentine culture and history, Rugby, Polo, too many muslims.


-Czech Republic: high quality steel, high quality machine tools. CZ Brno.


-Hungary: Young girls wanting to become porn stars, Tokaj.


-Sweden: A lot of blondes, Volvo, Bofors.


-Ukranie: My mother´s hot dentist ( man that woman is hot !!), bread and salt. Wheat.


-Rusia: Former communism, people that think everybody in the world is against them, cold women, Vodka, Kalashnikovs, nuclear missiles, self exploding submarines.


-China: Cheap, Low quality spare parts for motorcycles, low quality firearms, faked purses, too many people.


-Japan: weird people, swords masters, ww2 war crimes, Honda, Susuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha.


-Saudi Arabia: White dressed richs supporting terrorist and slaving women.


- Lebanon: Good food, green eyed girls, destroyed by religion country.


-South afrika: Springboxs 37 : Los Pumas 13, racial issues, AIDS.


-Israel: Good Military, hot military girls, small.


-Australia. Nice sandy beaches, sharks, Tobruk, Cocodrile dundee, place I would like to visit.


-New Zealand: All blacks.

Panzerknacker
09-19-2008, 07:36 PM
Edited to ad New Zealand and Japan ;)

pdf27
09-19-2008, 08:29 PM
Totally not politically correct, so apologies in advance.

Argentina: Permanently living in a dream world, hopeless economy
Brazil: Plastic surgery, drug gangs and a promising future
Chile: Military dictators?
Uruguay: The Graf Spee
Colombia: Helmand without the muslims.
Mexico: Utterly corrupt, without the US where it is would be a total basket case.
USA: Nice place but a totally alien culture.
Canada: Too many trees and excessively nice.
Spain: Mañana. Oh, and even more British crooks than Brazil.
France: Fantastic place with an utterly useless public sector. Oh, and a government that actually looks after it's own interests.
Germany: Has lost it's way after putting a lot of truly awful history behind it and the Wirtschaftswunder.
Austria: Dodgy people keeping children in cellars.
Sweden: Welfare state on steroids, old-style Volvos.
Italy: Style over substance, with a good dose of corruption.
England: Lots of repressed frustration. Do NOT upset.
Czech Republic: Beer
Ukraine: Chernobyl and dodgy politicians
Russia: Empire just waking up from a coma at the end of the Cold War
China: Not as good as it's cracked up to be, interesting times ahead.
Japan: Demographic time bomb.
Saudi Arabia: Horrible place, and the Saud family are largely to blame.
Lebanon: Horrible politicians, although the people who live there are actually a nice bunch.
South Africa: Nice place, major problems with politicians and crime.
Israel: Arrogant, with a habit of boxing themselves into a corner.
Australia: Nice, but too hot.
New Zealand: The Promised Land. Shame about the politics.

Moreheaddriller
09-19-2008, 08:54 PM
-Argentina place were panzerknacker lives,will second the hot woman factory statement

-Brazil decent 1911 look a likes

-Chile never been

-Uruguay its in south america

-Colombia the farc drugs,drugs,and more drugs

-Mexico a crap hole in which it seems all of its citizens are coming here

-USA its all good till you reach past the mason dixon line

-Canada great place peeps are friendly and the hunting isnt bad

-Spain madrid, condor leigon, place where my granpa use to go on leave

-France cheese,paris,sedan,crepes,a historically cowardly military

-Germany great tanks,berlin,munich,bundeswher,heck and koch

-Austria hitlers home

-Sweden neutral and boring

-Italy spahgetti,lasagna,mussolini

-England tony blair,winston churchill,monty,richard dawson, the sex pistols

-Czech Republic cz brno

-Ukranie good choclate

-Russia former commies wouldnt be suprised to see hammer and sickle soon

-China commies who have the usa industry and jobs cheaply made crap

-Japan hiroshima,tokyo,anime and other assorted cartoon stuff

-Saudi Arabia a bunch of rich towel heads

-Lebanon godd peeps crappy gov

-South afrika once british empire now just another african country

-Israel kick *** military stupid political moves

-Australia. beer,and kangaroo's

-New Zealand oh whats the difference

Panzerknacker
09-19-2008, 09:21 PM
That is the spirit, good posting guys :D


Totally not politically correct, so apologies in advance

No need apologize, that is what I looking for.

navyson
09-19-2008, 09:39 PM
Argentina- Panzerknacker and all the hot models, manu ginobili and fabricio oberto for the NBA san antonio spurs

Brazil- Somewhere down south

Chile- Ditto

Uruguay- Who?

Columbia- Drugs...need a good dosing of ddt or agent orange or whatever

Mexico- Slowly and stealthily retaking territory lost to the US

USA- Almost bankrupt world power, but nice place to live your life

Canada- Nice people, NOT trying to infiltrate the US

Spain- Hmmmm

France- Paris, wine, french maid costumes, want to visit

Germany- octoberfest, st. pauli girls, bmw's (sigh), the best of the -wursts, want to visit

Austria- southern state of germany? ;)

Sweden- Volvo, SAAB, swedish bikini team

Italy- Food, roman ruins

England- Indian food, doc martens, pink floyd, beatles, led zeppelin, list goes on.... Ireland/Scotland my ancestral homelands. Want to visit

Czech Republic- Don't know what to say

Ukraine- Needs to run from russia

Russia- Scary government, sabre rattling, about to break out the old USSR flags, but would like to actually visit

China- Flooding the world with cheap crappy products:evil:

Japan- smart, good cars and motorcycles. Everything else they used to make is made in china

Saudia Arabia- Anal shieks, too much money in wrong part of world, don't take care of their people with all that money

Lebanon- Mass hysteria, hate towards Israel, er maybe that's palestine

South Africa- Desegregation was long overdue, but now seems to be going downhill

Israel- Great military, good people, surrounded by a sea of hatred

Australia- Home or nursing home of rising sun (based on his comments):), want to visit down under, g'day

New Zealand- Lord of the Rings, too "green"

RifleMan20
09-20-2008, 12:58 AM
Argentina-PK homeland, hot models, Hitlers hideout(yeah right)

Brazil-"Brazilian Wax," Brazil models (your right PK, ladies there are overrated)

Chile-Sounds like a place to go to

Uruguay-Am not, are you?

Colombia-Colombian drug trade and captured Americans

Mexico-Jumpers, small children asking you to buy Chiclets for like 3x the price.

USA-My home, fastfood, States, Microsoft, tight debate for president, just right temperature, falling economy, bush, oil, pigskin football, Michel Phelps, fat, somewhat hotties, and the list goes on

Canada-Maple leaf, mounties, fishing, hunting, trees

Spain-Columbus, Queen Isabella, Madrid, my old tennis teacher Jorge

France-Paris, Normandy, D-day, Caen, St. Lo, crazy fashion but good at the same time, french fries (I know, they are not really French)

Germany-H&K, G36C, MP5, Rhine land, Mercedes, Autobahn, Brats, Oktoberfest, used to be split, Berlin, Einstein

Austria-Guns, tons of Guns, Hitlers home, Arnold Schwarzenegger's home, used to be a empire

Sweden-Ikea (I think), Chocolate

Italy-Hotties, the pope (his country is inside so it counts), Pattons take over, Rome, Pompey, Roman empire

England-The queen, Churchill, tea and crumpets, mean online, cool in person

Czech Republic-Was a peaceful take over by Germany in WW2 pfft

Ukraine-Where my friend use to live at, Chernobyl

Russia-Former commies, seems like they might go back, wish I knew one only know a Ukrainian, Moscow, Goldeneye (James Bond), Vodka,

China-Still commie, held the Olympics, TOO many people, Cheap items

Japan-Manga, Nintendo, Sony, Overly sexy characters in shows or comics, very sexual country, ninja

Saudi Arabia-A Muslim country

Lebanon-Know someone who has relatives there

South Africa-AIDS, Johannesburg, racist issues

Israel- Jewish homeland, made the UZI, crazy cool army, do have some nice ladies

Australia-The crocodile hunter (RIP Steve), Sydney, Outback, Kangaroos

New Zealand-Lord of the Rings

aly j
09-20-2008, 01:48 AM
agentina- good lookin people
brazil- minds me of agentinains
mexico- nachos
usa-ruler of the whole world
canada- snowboading,mountain cops on horses
spain- bull fighting, the bull run
france-eiffel tower,really skinney women
germany-beerfeast,or octfeast,hot soilders
austria-more germans
sweden-blondes and more blondes with big boobs
italy-alfa romeo,hot guys
england-churchill,multicultral
russia- ugly men and ugly women ,very cold
china-cheap labour,cheap cars
japan-not as cheap as china
saudi arabia-camels, head gear
s/africa- aids, dirty,poor people,hot wheather,loins
isreal- yellow star, war death camps
australia-beaches,life guards
new zealand- sheep

ptimms
09-20-2008, 02:24 AM
agentina- Diego maradonna and the Falklands war.
brazil- The 1970 World Cup Team (my first memory of Football and the reason I love it), Pele.
mexico-Ohh god the food, give me more.
usa- Misunderstood, the wonderful people of this country are judged by their bloody awful leaders.
canada- Divided by language
spain- Franco and Real Madrid, the Civil War
france- not as bad as folks make out
germany- great people and time to stop feeling guilty (but never forgetting) the past.
austria- Oohh Vienna (both the City and the song)
sweden- Even the guys are gorgeous (and there's none straighter than me) Food is awful.
italy- So beautiful, had the worst pizza of my life in Venice.
england- I would die for her tomorrow.
russia- Stoic, brave and so badly treated by her leaders (much like the US)
china- Time to step into the light.
japan- Genuinely nice and very wierd people.
saudi arabia- Guys wake up and free your women
Lebanon- Corporal Klinger
s/africa- Nelson Mandela and great names of cricketers (Jonty Rhodes, Hansi Kronje etc)
isreal- Get over yourselves and sort it out (same for the Palestinians). It's a shit situation but until both sides start talking it won't improve (like N.Ireland did)
australia- The only other place I could live, I have a very Aussie outlook on life.
new zealand- Lord of the Rings was made there.

32Bravo
09-20-2008, 03:37 AM
-Argentina : Meat on the hoof; envy Brazilian women.

-Brazil : Meat in a thong.

-Chile : Peppers.

-Uruguay : 1974 World Cup

-Colombia : trafficking in all its nasty forms

-Mexico : 1968 Olympics

-USA : Paradox

-Canada : Cold hybrid of Britain and USA with a sprinkling of France

-Spain : Costa Del Blackpool

-France : Good food, fine wine and bad girls.

-Germany : Long-legged, high-breasted, buxom wenches.

-Austria : Ditto

-Sweden : Depression

-Italy : Motor scooters, fast talking and pasta

-England : Sceptered Isle

-Czech Republic : Country divided

-Ukranie : Migrants

-Rusia : More migrants

-China : Diverse

-Japan : Perfectionists

-Saudi Arabia : The Empty Quarter

-Lebanon : Where East meets West

-South afrika : Sad

-Israel : Never the twain

-Australia : Chums

-New Zealand : Rugby

pdf27
09-20-2008, 07:23 AM
-France cheese,paris,sedan,crepes,a historically cowardly military
Not quite...


The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like "I Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military history, supposedly proving how the French are total cowards. If you want to see a sample of this dumbass Frog bashing, try this: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Well, I'm going to tell you guys something you probably don't want to hear: these sites are total bullshit, the notion that the French are cowards is total bullshit, and anybody who knows anything about European military history knows damn well that over the past thousand years, the French have the most glorious military history in Europe, maybe the world.

Before you send me more of those death threats, let me finish. I hate Chirac too, and his disco foreign minister with the blow-dry 'do and the snotty smile. But there are two things I hate more than I hate the French: ignorant fake war buffs, and people who are ungrateful. And when an American mouths off about French military history, he's not just being ignorant, he's being ungrateful. I was raised to think ungrateful people were trash.

When I say ungrateful, I'm talking about the American Revolution. If you're a true American patriot, then this is the war that matters. Hell, most of you probably couldn't name three major battles from it, but try going back to when you read Johnny Tremaine in fourth grade and you might recall a little place called Yorktown, Virginia, where we bottled up Cornwallis's army, forced the Brits' surrender and pretty much won the war.

Well, news flash: "we" didn't win that battle, any more than the Northern Alliance conquered the Taliban. The French army and navy won Yorktown for us. Americans didn't have the materiel or the training to mount a combined operation like that, with naval blockade and land siege. It was the French artillery forces and military engineers who ran the siege, and at sea it was a French admiral, de Grasse, who kicked the shit out of the British navy when they tried to break the siege.

Long before that, in fact as soon as we showed the Brits at Saratoga that we could win once in a while, they started pouring in huge shipments of everything from cannon to uniforms. We'd never have got near Yorktown if it wasn't for massive French aid.

So how come you bastards don't mention Yorktown in your cheap webpages? I'll tell you why: because you're too ignorant to know about it and too dishonest to mention it if you did.

The thing that gets to me is why Americans hate the French so much when they only did us good and never did us any harm. Like, why not hate the Brits? They're the ones who killed thousands of Americans in the Revolution, and thirty years later they came back and attacked us again. That time around they managed to burn Washington DC to the ground while they were at it. How come you web jerks never mention that?

Sure, the easy answer is because the Brits are with us now, and the French aren't. But being a war buff means knowing your history and respecting it.

Well, so much for ungrateful. Now let's talk about ignorant. And that's what you are if you think the French can't fight: just plain ignorant. Appreciation of the French martial spirit is just about the most basic way you can distinguish real war nerds from fake little teachers'pets.

Let's take the toughest case first: the German invasion, 1940, when the French Army supposedly disgraced itself against the Wehrmacht. This is the only real evidence you'll find to call the French cowards, and the more you know about it, the less it proves. Yeah, the French were scared of Hitler. Who wasn't? Chamberlain, the British prime minister, all but licked the Fuhrer's goosesteppers, basically let him have all of Central Europe, because Britain was terrified of war with Germany. Hell, Stalin signed a sweetheart deal with Hitler out of sheer terror, and Stalin wasn't a man who scared easy.

The French were scared, all right. But they had reason to be. For starters, they'd barely begun to recover from their last little scrap with the Germans: a little squabble you might've heard of, called WW I.

WW I was the worst war in history to be a soldier in. WW II was worse if you were a civilian, but the trenches of WW I were five years of Hell like General Sherman never dreamed of. At the end of it a big chunk of northern France looked like the surface of the moon, only bloodier, nothing but craters and rats and entrails.

Verdun. Just that name was enough to make Frenchmen and Germans, the few who survived it, wake up yelling for years afterward. The French lost 1.5 million men out of a total population of 40 million fighting the Germans from 1914-1918. A lot of those guys died charging German machine-gun nests with bayonets. I'd really like to see one of you office smartasses joke about "surrender monkeys" with a French soldier, 1914 vintage. You'd piss your dockers.

Shit, we strut around like we're so tough and we can't even handle a few uppity Iraqi villages. These guys faced the Germans head on for five years, and we call them cowards? And at the end, it was the Germans, not the French, who said "calf rope."

When the sequel war came, the French relied on their frontier fortifications and used their tanks (which were better than the Germans', one on one) defensively. The Germans had a newer, better offensive strategy. So they won. And the French surrendered. Which was damn sensible of them.

This was the WEHRMACHT. In two years, they conquered all of Western Europe and lost only 30,000 troops in the process. That's less than the casualties of Gettysburg. You get the picture? Nobody, no army on earth, could've held off the Germans under the conditions that the French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land border with Germany. The English survived because they had the English Channel between them and the Wehrmacht. When the English Army faced the Wermacht at Dunkirk, well, thanks to spin the tuck-tail-and-flee result got turned into some heroic tale of a brilliant British retreat. The fact is, even the Brits behaved like cowards in the face of the Wermacht, abandoning the French. It's that simple.

Here's a quick sampler of some of my favorite French victories, like an antidote to those ignorant websites. We'll start way back and move up to the 20th century.

Tours, 732 AD: The Muslims had already taken Spain and were well on their way to taking the rest of Europe. The only power with a chance of stopping them was the French army under Charles "the Hammer" Martel, King of the Franks (French), who answered to the really cool nickname "the Hammer of God." It was the French who saved the continent's ***. All the smart money was on the Muslims: there were 60,000 of them, crazy Jihadis whose cavalry was faster and deadlier than any in Europe. The French army was heavily outnumbered and had no cavalry. Fighting in phalanxes, they held against dozens of cavalry charges and after at least two days of hand-to-hand combat, finally managed to hack their way to the Muslim center and kill their commander. The Muslims retreated to Spain, and Europe developed as an independent civilization.

Orleans, May 1429: Joan of Arc: is she the most insanely cool military commander in history or what? This French peasant girl gets instructions from her favorite saints to help out the French against the English invaders. She goes to the King (well, the Dauphin, but close enough) and tells him to give her the army and she'll take it from there. And somehow she convinces him. She takes the army, which has lost every battle it's been in lately, to Orleans, which is under English siege. Now Joan is a nice girl, so she tries to settle things peaceably. She explains in a letter to the enemy commanders that everything can still be cool, "...provided you give up France...and go back to your own countries, for God's sake. And if you do not, wait for the Maid, who will visit you briefly to your great sorrow." The next day she put on armor, mounted a charger, and prepared to lead the attack on the besiegers' fortifications. She ordered the gates opened, but the Mayor refused until Joan explained that she, personally, would cut off his head. The gates went up, the French sallied out, and Joan led the first successful attack they'd made in years. The English strongpoints were taken, the siege was broken, and Joan's career in the cow-milking trade was over.

Braddock's Defeat (aka Battle of Monongahela) July 1755: Next time you're driving through the Ohio Valley, remember you're passing near the site of a great French victory over an Anglo-American force twice its size. General Edward Braddock marched west from Virginia with 1,500 men -- a very large army in 18th-c. America. His orders were to seize French land and forts in the Valley -- your basic undeclared land-grab invasion. The French joined the local tribes to resist, and then set up a classic ambush. It was a slaughter. More than half of Braddock's force -- 880 men -- were killed or wounded. The only Anglo officer to escape unhurt was this guy called George Washington, and even he had two horses shot out from under him. After a few minutes of non-stop fire from French and Indians hidden in the woods, Braddock's command came apart like something out of Nam, post-Tet. Braddock was hit and wounded, but none of his troops would risk getting shot to rescue him.

pdf27
09-20-2008, 07:24 AM
Austerlitz, Dec. 1805: You always hear about Austerlitz as "Napoleon's Greatest Victory," like the little guy personally went out and wiped out the combined Russian and Austrian armies. The fact is, ever since the Revolution in 1789, French armies had been kicking *** against everybody. They were free citizens fighting against scared peasant and degenerate mercenaries, and it was no contest. At Austerlitz, 65,000 French troops took on 90,000 Russians and Austrians and destroyed them. Absolutely annihilated them. The French lost only 8,000, compared to 29,000 of the enemy. The tactics Bonaparte used were very risky, and would only have worked with superb troops: he encouraged the enemy to attack a weak line, then brought up reinforcements who'd been held out of sight. That kind of tactical plan takes iron discipline and perfect timing -- and the French had it.

Jena, Oct. 1806: just a quick reminder for anybody who thinks the Germans always beat the French. Napoleon takes on the Prussian army and destroys it. 27,000 Prussian casualties vs. 5,000 French. Prussian army routed, pursued for miles by French cavalry.

You eXile guys might want to remember that the French under Napoleon are still the only army ever to have taken all of continental Europe, from Moscow to Madrid. I could keep listing French victories till I had a book. In fact, it's not a bad idea. A nice big hardback, so you could take it to the assholes running all the anti-French-military sites and bash their heads in with it.

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7061&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1

Sorry for the off-topic guys...

aly j
09-20-2008, 07:28 AM
http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7061&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1

Sorry for the off-topic guys...

what cause u 2 go so mad?

pdf27
09-20-2008, 07:34 AM
Errr... it's a link to an article by a chap named Gary Brecher in the US, written in 2003. I didn't write it.

flamethrowerguy
09-20-2008, 08:11 AM
-Argentina: Black Angus steak, Nazi hideout, hot football matches against our team
-Brazil: worlds greatest carnival with dozens of dead every year
-Chile: Pinochet, Colonia Dignidad
-Uruguay: No way!
-Colombia: cocaine, football players getting shot because of an own goal
-Mexico: Tequila, Chili con carne, Nachos, Tacos....
-USA: melting pot of the world, my favourite holiday destination (all in one)
-Canada: salmon fishing
-Spain: affordable holiday destination
-France: crappy food, highway logjams
-Germany: lost its identity, still love it
-Austria: Falco, winter sports
-Sweden: IKEA (God, I hate it as much as my wife loves it)
-Italy: pasta and ice cream, backstabbin', piles of garbage, Mafia
-England: people with balls better don't f**k with them, Football hools, life-threatening sunburns, forearm tattoos, women much more attractive as their reputation
-Czech Republic: street prostitution, porno actresses, hockey hair
-Ukranie: radiation, lead poisoning, Andrij Schewtschenko
-Russia: undemanding people, endless wide, endless cold, russian mafia dispossesses the turkish and albanian mafia in Germany
-China: scares me
-Japan: entertainment electronics, virgins' panties, fingernails, pubic hair and spittle plasic bagged in vending machines (sick)
-Saudi Arabia: highest fuel prices ever
-Lebanon: all messed up
-South Afrika: highest murder rate world wide
-Israel: bas *** military, most beautiful women, settlers with M-16
-Australia: meeting place of deadly animals
-New Zealand: best english dialect, sheep

Hey, that was fun .

Rising Sun*
09-20-2008, 08:39 AM
Sorry for the off-topic guys...

Don't apologise.

It was a point that needed to be made, as War Nerd very nicely did.

Everyone outside France agrees that the French are a huge pain in the arse and that their biggest virtue is that they rarely emigrate :D, but cowardly in war they have never been.

aly j
09-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Don't apologise.

It was a point that needed to be made, as War Nerd very nicely did.

Everyone outside France agrees that the French are a huge pain in the arse and that their biggest virtue is that they rarely emigrate :D, but cowardly in war they have never been.

i understand......................i now know why u guys post so mature.
i just work it out
all u guys r the ones that go 2 libary 2 seach on things.
i dont normaly talk 2 guys lik u....as u can c im very unmature.

Rising Sun*
09-20-2008, 09:07 AM
i understand......................i now know why u guys post so mature.
i just work it out
all u guys r the ones that go 2 libary 2 seach on things.
i dont normaly talk 2 guys lik u....as u can c im very unmature.

Stick with us and we shall mature you like a fine wine, to the point that you will begin to use conventional English spelling instead of that txt crp u r using. ;) :D

navyson
09-20-2008, 09:08 AM
i understand......................i now know why u guys post so mature.
i just work it out
all u guys r the ones that go 2 libary 2 seach on things.
i dont normaly talk 2 guys lik u....as u can c im very unmature.
Maybe most of us are before the ADHD generation;):D!

flamethrowerguy
09-20-2008, 09:13 AM
Maybe most of us are before the ADHD generation;):D!

"ADHD is not an ailment of the children but one of the society"
Nicola Raschendorfer, german pedagogue
;)

aly j
09-20-2008, 09:13 AM
i was planning 2 stay here......its nice 2 talk 2 decent blokes

Drake
09-20-2008, 09:17 AM
Errr... it's a link to an article by a chap named Gary Brecher in the US, written in 2003. I didn't write it.

Good, since it's not particularly well researched, for example his notion, the franks and charles martell had anything to do with what is today know as france, other than conquering it and the gaules deriving their modern name from them. It wasn't the wussy gaules that defeated the muslims, but an alliance of franks, langobards, burgundians, saxon and frisians, every single one of them a germanic tribe.

navyson
09-20-2008, 09:24 AM
"ADHD is not an ailment of the children but one of the society"
Nicola Raschendorfer, german pedagogue
;)
You and I are close to the same age. We hit the beginning of all this. TV as your guardian, computers, cell phones, etc. etc. etc.. It surprises me when talking to people how little they read books, or keep up with what's going on in the world, history, even being able to name the states (in the US), or, no offense to aly j but text messaging lingo as actual grammar:roll:.

Panzerknacker
09-20-2008, 09:25 AM
Thank you for all the answers guys very precise many of them.

Pdf, I dont think there is need to any link, what I looking is the first impression of the people, not a deep informative post, the first tough is what counts, if you give people time to elaborate the answer probably wont be 100% honest.




Hey, that was fun .



It was, keep coming lads. :)

aly j
09-20-2008, 09:30 AM
You and I are close to the same age. We hit the beginning of all this. TV as your guardian, computers, cell phones, etc. etc. etc.. It surprises me when talking to people how little they read books, or keep up with what's going on in the world, history, even being able to name the states (in the US), or, no offense to aly j but text messaging lingo is actual grammar:roll:.

no offence at all
i can c u guys r more educated then the guys that i normally
talk 2

Rising Sun*
09-20-2008, 10:03 AM
"ADHD is not an ailment of the children but one of the society"
Nicola Raschendorfer, german pedagogue
;)

"After years of severe problems, Ritalin works bloody well, within the first twenty four hours, on a child who was previously spiralling drastically downwards before being diagnosed with ADHD by an eminent consultant paediatrician."

Rising Sun*, parent of a child with an ailment of society to which society contributed neither a cause nor a cure but to which society, including twenty two year old teachers and other experts of vast child-rearing experience, continually contributes unsolicited advice on how it's all to do with bad parenting, bad diet provided by parents, poor discipline by parents, generally all the parents' fault to the extent it's not the poor bloody child's fault and other helpful and stunningly rational advice such as it being caused by being born in a hospital under the care of a male obstetrician rather than at home in a warm bath with a lesbian midwife (never quite sure if the lezzo should have been in the bath as well) or the misalignment of the stars at birth and endless other hippie shit.

Yet, oddly enough, none of the teachers and other experts could manage the child successfully. So what did they do every time they failed in doing what they said we should be able to do? Call in us hopelessly deficient parents to insist that we useless parents, who were responsible for all the child's problems, make the child behave at school. :rolleyes:

Fine, said I, how about you come around every night to make sure he eats his greens and I'll get really interested in making sure he satisfies your demands for his intellectual development by scrawling a map of his street in crayon on butcher's paper, which I assume will end up in the national art museum. No, said they, our job ends at the school gate. Well, said I, so far as his conduct at school is concerned, so does mine. If you can't handle him at school and you won't come to his home to make him do the homework you want, and given all the expert advice you've given me on how to handle him, why do you want me to do your job for you when he's inside the school gates? Not surprisingly, no answer.

These clods blame the parents and, worst of all, the child for their teachers' and other experts' continual failures to achieve the results they say the parents should be able to achieve by using the helpful advice on discipline, diet and realigning the stars which has failed in the classroom etc, but which supposedly will work if used at home by parents who actually have a child in their continual care and would rather like to change the child's behaviour so that home life was occasionally not a daily battlefield.

Walk a mile in my shoes.

flamethrowerguy
09-20-2008, 10:13 AM
I do feel for you and I am watching my boy for symptoms since he's born. Agree about this "nutriment-diet" hippie crap.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-20-2008, 10:30 AM
-Argentina Panzerknacker

-Brazil Football

-Chile Desert

-Uruguay Poor

-Colombia Drugs

-Mexico immigrants

-USA Fat

-Canada Maple

-Spain Bulls

-France De Gualle

-Germany Beer

-Austria Hitler, Mozart

-Sweden Cold

-Italy Mussolini

-England Tea

-Czech Republic Paper models

-Ukranie Yakov smirnoff, Chernobyl

-Rusia Putin, muppet, medve"#$$dev

-China Cheap poisinous food

-Japan Robots, Yamato

-Saudi Arabia oil

-Lebanon oil

-South afrika povcerty

-Israel Pakistan

-Australia. Rising sun

-New Zealand Sheep

32Bravo
09-20-2008, 10:33 AM
i was planning 2 stay here......its nice 2 talk 2 decent blokes

Let me know when you discover some, I'd rather like to chat with them also.

32Bravo
09-20-2008, 10:36 AM
"After years of severe problems, Ritalin works bloody well, within the first twenty four hours, on a child who was previously spiralling drastically downwards before being diagnosed with ADHD by an eminent consultant paediatrician."

Rising Sun*, parent of a child with an ailment of society to which society contributed neither a cause nor a cure but to which society, including twenty two year old teachers and other experts of vast child-rearing experience, continually contributes unsolicited advice on how it's all to do with bad parenting, bad diet provided by parents, poor discipline by parents, generally all the parents' fault to the extent it's not the poor bloody child's fault and other helpful and stunningly rational advice such as it being caused by being born in a hospital under the care of a male obstetrician rather than at home in a warm bath with a lesbian midwife (never quite sure if the lezzo should have been in the bath as well) or the misalignment of the stars at birth and endless other hippie shit.

Yet, oddly enough, none of the teachers and other experts could manage the child successfully. So what did they do every time they failed in doing what they said we should be able to do? Call in us hopelessly deficient parents to insist that we useless parents, who were responsible for all the child's problems, make the child behave at school. :rolleyes:

Fine, said I, how about you come around every night to make sure he eats his greens and I'll get really interested in making sure he satisfies your demands for his intellectual development by scrawling a map of his street in crayon on butcher's paper, which I assume will end up in the national art museum. No, said they, our job ends at the school gate. Well, said I, so far as his conduct at school is concerned, so does mine. If you can't handle him at school and you won't come to his home to make him do the homework you want, and given all the expert advice you've given me on how to handle him, why do you want me to do your job for you when he's inside the school gates? Not surprisingly, no answer.

These clods blame the parents and, worst of all, the child for their teachers' and other experts' continual failures to achieve the results they say the parents should be able to achieve by using the helpful advice on discipline, diet and realigning the stars which has failed in the classroom etc, but which supposedly will work if used at home by parents who actually have a child in their continual care and would rather like to change the child's behaviour so that home life was occasionally not a daily battlefield.

Walk a mile in my shoes.

Spare the rod, spoil the child!...Try the Jesuits, they're the experts. ;)

aly j
09-20-2008, 10:38 AM
Let me know when you discover some, I'd rather like to chat with them also.

cool...... are you female aswell........ or you a bloke letting me know
theres rude blokes on here

Rising Sun*
09-20-2008, 10:49 AM
I do feel for you and I am watching my boy for symptoms since he's born. Agree about this "nutriment-diet" hippie crap.

Actually, I think that in many cases there might well be a significant dietary or perhaps wider environmental element in it, but I doubt that it's the same in all cases. That's different to hippie crap about brown bread and crystals and wire frame pyramids and so on saving everyone.

Having been despairingly through the conventional and subsequently alternative mills on the dietary and allergy aspects, my impression is that so-called alternative or holistic medically trained doctors and others outside the medical mainstream tend to be zealots who are committed to their particular form of purging (and there is usually a purging of the bad stuff, whatever form it might take) and rehabilitation which have more in common with religious belief and practice than science. The problem is that they assume that their particular mantra, be it wholemeal everything or no 200 preservatives or whatever, cures everything when clearly it doesn't, although it might help many people. Some will be made worse.

The problem with mainstream doctors is that some are just as much zealots, bound to their medical training and as blindly unreceptive to new ideas as were those who saw more merit in firing canons from the town walls to disperse the medieval miasma rather than accepting the germ theory. Witness the resistance to the bacterial theory of gut ulcers as recently as a couple of decades ago, which produced a Nobel prize.

On clear medical physiological issues, such as a broken leg or gunshot wound, you'd have to be an idiot to go to anyone but a competent doctor in a well equipped hospital. But on less well understood issues such as ADHD and other things which are diagnosed as ADHD or whatever, I think that sensible scientifc enquiry on nutrition is at least as important as investigating genetic aspects, at least until one or the other provides a clear answer.

Rising Sun*
09-20-2008, 10:52 AM
Spare the rod, spoil the child!...Try the Jesuits, they're the experts. ;)

I went to the Christian Brothers.

They would have been okay, if they weren't inserting their rods into children. ;) :evil:


P.S. Not me. I'm in the wounded group thinking of suing them for not being molested because we were discriminated against for being too ugly.

32Bravo
09-20-2008, 02:54 PM
cool...... are you female aswell........ or you a bloke letting me know
theres rude blokes on here


I'll let you work it out!;)

32Bravo
09-20-2008, 03:00 PM
I went to the Christian Brothers.

They would have been okay, if they weren't inserting their rods into children. ;) :evil:


Surely not all of them?

I went to Jesuits. Thrashing was the norm. Made Junior Soldiers' training seem like a walk in the park. :)




P.S. Not me. I'm in the wounded group thinking of suing them for not being molested because we were discriminated against for being too ugly.

No need to be in denial - we understand - it wasn't your fault, was it? :eek:

Churchill
09-20-2008, 04:02 PM
-Argentina - Lost Falklands War
-Brazil - Sao Paolo, way too much plastic surgery
-Chile - long and skinny country on the Pacific Ocean
-Uruguay - trapped near the South American "Superpowers"
-Colombia - Drugs
-Mexico - Tacos, fajitas, food, tequila, beaches
-USA - Somewhat corrupt superpower trying to take over the world/the producer of retarded people(so sue me...:roll::mrgreen:)
-Canada - Maple syrup, Dad,
-Spain - Muslims, paella,
-France - Mom, wine, alcohol, fun times
-Germany - Want to learn the language, good food
-Austria - Violins?, Mendel(genetics)
-Sweden - Cold, Saab, cold, Volvo, cold
-Italy - Jerks(won against France in Fifa World Cup 2004(I think it was 2004))
-England - Me!, Winston Churchill, porrige, scones, the Beatles, tea, the Queen
-Czech Republic - Steep hills?
-Ukranie - Grain, plains
-Russia - Human waves, the Czars
-China - "Made in China"
-Japan - Mt. Fuji
-Saudi Arabia - Mecca, Sultans
-Lebanon - Anti-Israel
-South Africa - Nelson Mandela
-Israel - Jerusalem
-Australia - Big rocks, Aborigenes, Rabbit Fence
-New Zealand - Maori, surfing,
-India - Gandhi

Added India.

Egorka
09-20-2008, 04:40 PM
-Argentina A country where the nazies run to after the war. Cheap wine that can be very good value for money. Beef. Football. Maradona. "If there was a hand, it was the hand of God." Wide wild planes crossed by the carecters in the novel "In Search of the Castaways" by Jules Verne.

-Brazil Carneval. Bosa Nova! Beaches. Crime. Footbal world champions. Amazone. Piranias.

-Chile Pinochet. Cheap wine that could be good value for money. Very thin and and very long country on the coast. Easter island and its statues. Spicy sort of peppers.

-Uruguay A country whic hname is spelled almost like Praguay. Else nothing...

-Colombia Narco. Hostages. Lots of trees. Drug barons.

-Mexico Sambrero. «Carabina Trenta Trenta». Mexican food. Resorts for Americans. Illegsal immigrants climbing the fence over US border. A phrase a turist should learn before going to Mexico:"Yo tengo dos pistolas. Yo soy muy peligroso!" Maya Indians and they ritual human sacrifice. The Host of the first Footbal World Cup I watched on TV.

-USA World supper power that acts like world policemen. Big. Astonishing nature. Dynamic business history and life. "One little step for man - one giant leap for mankind." Flying fortresses. Empire State building. Holiwood and its movie industry. Radio "Voice of America."

-Canada Big. Very astonishing nature. Wast cold areas. Intention to actively defend its economic interests in Polar areas in the future. Speaking both English and French. Vancouver!

-Spain The Armada invinsible. Conquestodores. "Tetas de mujer tienen mucho poder." Where many of my ex-colleagues come from. Marriage in Valencia.

-France Wine, cheese. "Cherche la fame." Edith Piaf. Paris. St.Malo and seafood. Napoleon. Language I learned in school.

-Germany WW2 enemy. Hitler. My grand-grand dad's nationality. Martin Luther. Stollen - Christmass cake. Shtrudel. Beer and sousages. Order and good machinary. Brothers Grimm. Russian radio programme "German Wave".

-Austria Wienna - magnificent! White wine spritzer. Winther hollidays. Habsburgs. Where by grand parents ended WW2.

-Sweden Wild forests. Volvo. Karl XII. "Russian danger." Social garanties for everyone. Scuba diving and crab meat.

-Italy Roman Empire. Greate food and wine. Como lake. Papa, Catholics. Wannabe Germans in WW2. All people are singers. Pizza (the falling tower). Vennice - charming but stinky, expensive(!). Cosa Nostra.

-England Island. Great navy power. Wigs in courts. Pub culture. Football holigans. Joyn Swift. Isaac Newton. John Locke. Lamb wool. Union Jack. Indian colonies. BBC Russian radio service. Fog. Conan Doyle.

-Czech Republic Praha - the most ferrytale town of Europe. Beer. some other beautiful towns you do not know about. Cristal juvelry. Toy railways.

-Ukranie Lost Russian brothers. Warm. Cheerfull girls. Country very hardly hit during WW2. Immigrant workers. A country that curently makes from nothing its own new often too self centred identity.

-Russia My motherland. Long hectic history. Big and often undeveloped. Two main problems: fools and bad roads. Theft. Corruption. Idealistic people. Sputnik, Laika, Gagarin. Literature. People that shed most blood in WW2 (USSR).

-China Ancient. Great Wall. Dragons. Poetry and inc drawings. Gun powder, porcelan. Possibly future kick world *** nation. Hierogliphs.

-Japan Haiku. Wood prints. Samurais. Geishas. Sake, sushi. Mount Fuji. Katsushika Hokusai. Netsuke.

-Saudi Arabia Mekka. Cut thiefs hands. Warm. American allies. Oil.

-Lebanon Beirut - former Paris of the Middle East. Christians and Moslems. Next to Israel.

-South afrika Aparteid. Mandela. Ocean, sharks.

-Israel The country that will do what it wants to do. And get what it wants at the end...

-Australia. Big island. Cangaros and other exotic animals. White wine. Big red mountain. Where the convicts from UK went to. Dinasaur imprints on the ancient mud.

-New Zealand Next to Australia. Lambs. Kiwi. Lord of the Rings. Giant Moa birds. Far away. Lamb meat.


Uff...... this is probably the post I enjoyed most ever...

32Bravo
09-20-2008, 05:02 PM
Fog??..Where've you been for the last forty years?

navyson
09-20-2008, 05:28 PM
Fog??..Where've you been for the last forty years?
Should he have said smog? Don't tell me England doesn't have fog.....now all the pictures of england in my thoughts are dashed......:( What would london be without fog? Come to think of it, I was in Los Angeles visiting family, was there two weeks before I saw the mountainsides around the city! Never would have known until the winds came in off of the ocean.

mike M.
09-20-2008, 05:32 PM
-Argentina - Soccer..Women Of Argentina Post
-Brazil - Beaches..Topless Beaches..Women
-Chile - Soccer Team..Air Plane Crash
-Uruguay - Jungles
-Colombia - Drugs..Red Roofs...My Next Door Neighbor
-Mexico - Corrupt Politicians..Illegal Aliens...Great Beaches..Tequila...
-USA - Too Worried What Others Think..Think They Need To Be World Police..Awesome Air Force..United States Marines ( Nothing Tougher)...Rewarding Mediocrity...Political Correctness..Hot Women :)
-Canada - Mounted Police...Gold Maple Leaf
-Spain - Torrejon Air Base..Madrid..Weather Like California..Beautiful Women With Hairy Leg's
-France - Wine..Body Odor..Great WWII Military Museums
-Germany - WWII..Tiger Tanks..BMW..Beer
-Austria - Arnold...Snow Capped Mountains
-Sweden - Hot Blondes..Nothing Else Needed
-Italy - Bike Races..Soccer
-England - Bad Teeth...Good Rock & Roll...Still Angry At USA For Dumping Them & Going At It On Our Own..Drink Too Much..Think Very Highly Of Themselves
-Czech Republic - Russia
-Ukraine - Old Skill Labor...Poor
-Russia - Cold Winters..People deserve More From Their Leaders
-China - Working Towards World Super Power..Cheap Tools
-Japan - Crowds..Traffic..Hard Workers
-Saudi Arabia - Oil..Two faced
-Lebanon - Angry People
-South Africa - Poor..Starving
-Israel - Trusted Allies...Always Backs Up USA
-Australia - Big Desert..Steve Erwin..Great White Sharks
-New Zealand - Sheep
-Poland- Trusted Allies...Hard Working Honest People

Egorka
09-20-2008, 05:44 PM
Fog??..Where've you been for the last forty years?
Exscuise me? ;)

aly j
09-20-2008, 08:33 PM
-Argentina - Soccer..Women Of Argentina Post
-Brazil - Beaches..Topless Beaches..Women
-Chile - Soccer Team..Air Plane Crash
-Uruguay - Jungles
-Colombia - Drugs..Red Roofs...My Next Door Neighbor
-Mexico - Corrupt Politicians..Illegal Aliens...Great Beaches..Tequila...
-USA - Too Worried What Others Think..Think They Need To Be World Police..Awesome Air Force..United States Marines ( Nothing Tougher)...Rewarding Mediocrity...Political Correctness..Hot Women :)
-Canada - Mounted Police...Gold Maple Leaf
-Spain - Torrejon Air Base..Madrid..Weather Like California..Beautiful Women With Hairy Leg's
-France - Wine..Body Odor..Great WWII Military Museums
-Germany - WWII..Tiger Tanks..BMW..Beer
-Austria - Arnold...Snow Capped Mountains
-Sweden - Hot Blondes..Nothing Else Needed
-Italy - Bike Races..Soccer
-England - Bad Teeth...Good Rock & Roll...Still Angry At USA For Dumping Them & Going At It On Our Own..Drink Too Much..Think Very Highly Of Themselves
-Czech Republic - Russia
-Ukraine - Old Skill Labor...Poor
-Russia - Cold Winters..People deserve More From Their Leaders
-China - Working Towards World Super Power..Cheap Tools
-Japan - Crowds..Traffic..Hard Workers
-Saudi Arabia - Oil..Two faced
-Lebanon - Angry People
-South Africa - Poor..Starving
-Israel - Trusted Allies...Always Backs Up USA
-Australia - Big Desert..Steve Erwin..Great White Sharks
-New Zealand - Sheep
-Poland- Trusted Allies...Hard Working Honest People

ur saying poland and isreal r trusting allies that stick with usa
wish we can say that about usa in ww2 when england asked usa for help and usa turn its back on england,maybe u should say usa not a trusted allied

redcoat
09-20-2008, 08:38 PM
Argentina - lots of cattle. Seem to have a love/hate relationship with Britain.

Brazil- Rain forest, extremes of poverty and wealth in the cities

Chile- Mountains, troubled past.

Uruguay- can never figure out where this place is on the map of South America

Colombia- Dangerous place, don't want to go there

Mexico- poor nation, but not as dangerous as Colombia.

USA- Which one ? This seems to be a nation with a multitude of personalities. At times they seem in tune with how we view things, at other times they seem to have nothing in common with us.

Canada- Nice place, but a trifle dull.

Spain- Hot, nice place for a holiday

France- arrogant, stubborn and rude, but I like them ( they remind me of us Brits)

Germany- In the past good at fighting wars, but not so good at winning them. Nowadays they amuse themselves by making good cars and having beer festivals

Austria- any place that throws David Irving in jail can't be all bad

Sweden- flat pack furniture

Italy- style, mafia, and pasta

England- Home

Czech Republic- best beers in Europe

Ukraine- In the 20th century this was a bad place to live, too many people invading it, from all directions

Russia- another nation which suffered in the 20th century, starting to recover after the break up of the USSR

China- Starting to show the world its power.


Japan-industrious, but odd people

Saudi Arabia- Wealthy beyond dreams but completely corrupt with it.

Lebanon-One mixed up nation, always on the brink of civil war

South Africa-Too much crime, but a more hopeful future

Israel- I use to think they were the good guys, but not as sure nowadays

Australia- Always taking the piss out of us, but they are family, so we put up with it.

New Zealand-The only other place I would consider living in outside of Britain

Poland- Is there anybody still living there ??? They all seem to have moved over to Britain ;)

mike M.
09-20-2008, 10:30 PM
ur saying poland and isreal r trusting allies that stick with usa
wish we can say that about usa in ww2 when england asked usa for help and usa turn its back on england,maybe u should say usa not a trusted allied


Lets see..416.800 of the U.S. Military died during WWII when we turned our back..I think you've been in the sun too long, time to come in. :) I'm so sorry you didn't like my pick of trusted allies.....sometimes the truth just stings a lil bit. LOL

EDITED TO ADD: ALY J...DUDE U HAVE 91 POST IN 3 DAYS WTF??? GET A LIFE!!

aly j
09-21-2008, 12:40 AM
Lets see..416.800 of the U.S. Military died during WWII when we turned our back..I think you've been in the sun too long, time to come in. :) I'm so sorry you didn't like my pick of trusted allies.....sometimes the truth just stings a lil bit. LOL

EDITED TO ADD: ALY J...DUDE U HAVE 91 POST IN 3 DAYS WTF??? GET A LIFE!!

what ever every one knows usa did
i thought u men knew every thing about ww2
didt u know that.
usa only join the war when japan bomb peal habour,usa was going 2 let germany take over england.
and ur the one with 600 and more post.
yeah u guys r really good allies

aly j
09-21-2008, 12:41 AM
and im a DUDET[girl]

mike M.
09-21-2008, 01:02 AM
and ur the one with 600 and more post.


LOL..You got me there. If you notice I have been here 3 years..If I posted like you are, I would have 34,675 post to my name. :0 :) come out of the sun..LOL

aly j
09-21-2008, 01:34 AM
LOL..You got me there. If you notice I have been here 3 years..If I posted like you are, I would have 34,675 post to my name. :0 :) come out of the sun..LOL

actually i do in too be in the sun
im 2 white
i wish i had 34,000 post cause then i can be boss
i cant help it i lik 2 post my opinion.
you shore know how too calms things down if it wast 4 me
there would be no new posts.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-21-2008, 02:22 AM
just because you have 34000 doesnt mean you can be admin or mod...

aly j
09-21-2008, 02:27 AM
just because you have 34000 doesnt mean you can be admin or mod...

i was trying too be funnie
i know i cant be boss

Major Walter Schmidt
09-21-2008, 03:36 AM
I do need to develop an acute sense of humor, yes.
*tip if you want to indicate that you are joking, use appropriate smilies

32Bravo
09-21-2008, 04:05 AM
Exscuise me? ;)

We did! ;)

32Bravo
09-21-2008, 04:11 AM
Should he have said smog? Don't tell me England doesn't have fog.....now all the pictures of england in my thoughts are dashed......:( What would london be without fog? Come to think of it, I was in Los Angeles visiting family, was there two weeks before I saw the mountainsides around the city! Never would have known until the winds came in off of the ocean.

Some of my family used o live in LA - they made the same comment.

London Smog 'Pea-souper' was a result of smoke (from coal fires) and fog. As London is in a 'basin' it was trapped. Since London became a smokeless zone the Pea-soupers are a rare occurrence, I don't recall if there has been one since the late sixties.

Sorry to disillusion you, but don't believe everything Kermit sings about. ;)

Rising Sun*
09-21-2008, 07:59 AM
Let me know when you discover some, I'd rather like to chat with them also.

She obviously means you and me. :D

navyson
09-21-2008, 08:21 AM
Sorry to disillusion you, but don't believe everything Kermit sings about. ;) Quoting 32bravo
Darn it, are you telling me Kermit is part of the government establishment?:evil:...............:D

aly j
09-21-2008, 09:03 AM
She obviously means you and me. :D

hey ....r u saying bravo32 is a girl

Rising Sun*
09-21-2008, 09:45 AM
hey ....r u saying bravo32 is a girl

No, as has been recognised on all major continents, 32B is an ape, when he's not being a bra size. :D

You, however, according to #46 are a girl. Hence the reference to 'she'.

alephh
09-21-2008, 09:52 AM
-Argentina: gauchos, large german areas, the southern tip of the country.

-Brazil: cutting down jungles, beaches, drugs and gangs.

-Chile: don't want to walk from norhern tip to sourthern one.

-Uruguay: nothing really.

-Colombia: ex-drug country, some social wonders done in recent years.

-Mexico: kind of messed up (not in a lethal way) country in the shadow of USA.

-USA: dying superpower, no healthcare (even if you have expensive healtcare-package).

-Canada: timber, forests, one of the countries that actually "work" (have you noticed that these countries often are those with huge amount of land but only a few people).

-Spain: overly macho males doing nothing useful, holiday communities.

-France: "french" is the only language in the world attitude, country that cares of it's citizens, french foreign legion.

-Germany: lacking national idea/feeling/something, third reich, goethe.

-Austria: Germany's little brother, "we didn't do it" - attitude in history.

-Sweden: avoided couple of world wars which enabled them to create 5 decade welfare state (which is now facing reality), too slow decision-making-system for modern era.

-Italy: couple of ruins, lot of (useless) style/fashion-related stuff, every man lives with his mother 3-5 decades until starting independent life, berlusconi leading the country again again again.

-England: melting pot of Europe, too much tradition ("you're from oxford/cambridge, please automatically take a leading position in society"), monarchy owns excessively land and consumes money excessively, haven't noticed any english kids in "talented classes" (filled with foreigners), no soccer just 11-men boxing matches.

-Czech Republic: where tourists go to party (even more would go but they cannot spell the name of the country right).

-Ukranie: huge country nastily between europe and russia.

-Russia: after couple of millenniums still no good government in sight.

-China: has been the biggest manufacturer country in the world for thousands of years and has taken that place back (after accidentally losing it for couple of centuries to western idiots).

-Japan: samurai, geisha, kamikaze, talking robots, strange youth fashion/tech culture, movies by Kurosawa.

-Saudi Arabia: One of the most hated ruling class in the world (naturally supported by USA).

-Lebanon: phoenica.

-South afrika: put too many white people in a african country and this is what you get.

-Israel: sorry geo-location for a country (every area is ruled by different country/religion in each century so anyone can claim to be lawful ruler/owner of every area).

-Australia: aboriginals, deserts, right-wing nuts, where to dumb all criminals if you run out of space.

-New Zealand: sheeps, lord of the rings, some interesting social/economic choices.

Panzerknacker
09-21-2008, 10:53 AM
Thank you very much guys, I enjoyed every answer.

In honor of Aleph I must ad this one:

Finland: Stratovarius, Nightwish 1000th lake rally.



-Argentina: Panzerknacker


Just like that ? :)

pdf27
09-21-2008, 11:45 AM
-England: melting pot of Europe, too much tradition ("you're from oxford/cambridge, please automatically take a leading position in society"), monarchy owns excessively land and consumes money excessively, haven't noticed any english kids in "talented classes" (filled with foreigners), no soccer just 11-men boxing matches.
Dammit, why doesn't this work for me? :evil:

Nickdfresh
09-21-2008, 07:06 PM
-Argentina Beautiful architecture blended with a sordid political history of strongmen and ***** despots. Football. Women. Jorge Borges. Evita.

-Brazil G-string bikinis. Rainforest on fire. Resorts. Women. Sugarcane-gasoline. Death squad police and gangs.

-Chile "The mothers of the disappeared" (Pinochet and coups). Again, beautiful and clean modern cities contrasting peasants and herders.

-Uruguay Tin pot dictatorships. Cloths. Not much else.

-Colombia Cocaine and Pablo. Perpetual civil Wars and a tortured country. "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel García Márquez. Shakira.

-Mexico A Tale of Two (societies). Billionaires and abject poverty by the masses. Corrupt police. Drug wars. Beer, food. Women. History and interesting culture. Illegal immigrants.

-USA Electing idiots. Power and the misuse of it. Cultural diversity and cultural juggernaut whether anyone likes it or not. Huge military spending. We're the smartest people in the world. We're the dumbest people in the world.

-Canada Beauty. Strippers. Beer. Hockey. Great city in Toronto. And a lot of cultural infusion into the US. I do like Canada...

-Spain Civil War. Modern Euro state coming to terms with its past.

-France Great culture. Food. Love hate relationships. Liberty and equality. Existentialism and philosophy. Great thinkers like Sartre, Foucault. Mixed military record and pride, extreme courage contrasted with supreme stupidity..

-Germany Sausage, sauerkraut and potato pancakes.:D Beer. Mixed history of great cultural intellectual accomplishment contrasting hideous ignorance. Disciplined, Prussian military ideal. Good humored people that make great cars, appliances.

-Austria Germany's mellow, easy-going little brother. Schizophrenic politics (had an ex-Nazi war criminal as president, but throw David Irving in jail over speech). Arnold Schwarzenegger. Neutral spy land in Vienna. Sigmund Freud. The Alps.

-Sweden Abba. Volvo, Saab - nice cars and jet fighters. Blond women and a progressive society. Neutral and independent.

-Italy Great food, wine and cultural influence in the US. Beautiful, if impractical, cars and bikes. Fiery women. Mafia. Built on ruins of Rome, Etruscan civilization. The Alps. Mixed culture.

-England Great musical tradition. A lot of emphasis on culture, literature, and education. Beer, gin. Love hate relationship with the US.

-Czech Republic Skoda. Weapons. Prague.

-Ukraine Seeking autonomy. A guy I work with. Kiev. Black Sea. Proximity to Russia.

-Russia Emerging power. Vast expanse of wilderness and urbanity. Recovering and yet retrograding. Oil, gasoline, and vodka.

-China Wal-Mart, cheap consumer products. Shaky quality, and greed. Excellent culture. Food (even if it is Americanized).

-Japan A contradiction,embracing American culture but hanging on to the old ways. Sushi and Saki. Electronics and great cars. Modernism personified.

-Saudi Arabia Strange, closed repressive religious society run by corrupt, decadent monarchists. Our friend and enemy. Oil. Oil. Oil....

-Lebanon Contrast in cultures and battleground in the middle east. Beirut. Modern city and ancient blood feud civil wars. Byzantine culture of double-dealing...

-South afrika Modern state, ancient state. Huge contrast between civilized, modern cities and backwards cultural schisms. Huge potential met with huge question mark.

-Israel So refined yet so ruthless. Single minded and stubborn. Strong military and security establishment undermined by shortsightedness.

-Australia. Mad Max. Shrimp on the barbie and silly, steak Aussie-themed restaurants in the US. Ruggedness. AFL. Deserts, Jungles, and coastal beaches all mixed up. Cultural throwback in rural areas. yet urbane cosmopolitan suburban cities. Beer.

-New Zealand Sheep. Similar to Australia but not quite.

aly j
09-21-2008, 11:40 PM
-Argentina Beautiful architecture blended with a sordid political history of strongmen and ***** despots. Football. Women. Jorge Borges. Evita.

-Brazil G-string bikinis. Rainforest on fire. Resorts. Women. Sugarcane-gasoline. Death squad police and gangs.

-Chile "The mothers of the disappeared" (Pinochet and coups). Again, beautiful and clean modern cities contrasting peasants and herders.

-Uruguay Tin pot dictatorships. Cloths. Not much else.

-Colombia Cocaine and Pablo. Perpetual civil Wars and a tortured country. "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel García Márquez. Shakira.

-Mexico A Tale of Two (societies). Billionaires and abject poverty by the masses. Corrupt police. Drug wars. Beer, food. Women. History and interesting culture. Illegal immigrants.

-USA Electing idiots. Power and the misuse of it. Cultural diversity and cultural juggernaut whether anyone likes it or not. Huge military spending. We're the smartest people in the world. We're the dumbest people in the world.

-Canada Beauty. Strippers. Beer. Hockey. Great city in Toronto. And a lot of cultural infusion into the US. I do like Canada...

-Spain Civil War. Modern Euro state coming to terms with its past.

-France Great culture. Food. Love hate relationships. Liberty and equality. Existentialism and philosophy. Great thinkers like Sartre, Foucault. Mixed military record and pride, extreme courage contrasted with supreme stupidity..

-Germany Sausage, sauerkraut and potato pancakes.:D Beer. Mixed history of great cultural intellectual accomplishment contrasting hideous ignorance. Disciplined, Prussian military ideal. Good humored people that make great cars, appliances.

-Austria Germany's mellow, easy-going little brother. Schizophrenic politics (had an ex-Nazi war criminal as president, but throw David Irving in jail over speech). Arnold Schwarzenegger. Neutral spy land in Vienna. Sigmund Freud. The Alps.

-Sweden Abba. Volvo, Saab - nice cars and jet fighters. Blond women and a progressive society. Neutral and independent.

-Italy Great food, wine and cultural influence in the US. Beautiful, if impractical, cars and bikes. Fiery women. Mafia. Built on ruins of Rome, Etruscan civilization. The Alps. Mixed culture.

-England Great musical tradition. A lot of emphasis on culture, literature, and education. Beer, gin. Love hate relationship with the US.

-Czech Republic Skoda. Weapons. Prague.

-Ukraine Seeking autonomy. A guy I work with. Kiev. Black Sea. Proximity to Russia.

-Russia Emerging power. Vast expanse of wilderness and urbanity. Recovering and yet retrograding. Oil, gasoline, and vodka.

-China Wal-Mart, cheap consumer products. Shaky quality, and greed. Excellent culture. Food (even if it is Americanized).

-Japan A contradiction,embracing American culture but hanging on to the old ways. Sushi and Saki. Electronics and great cars. Modernism personified.

-Saudi Arabia Strange, closed repressive religious society run by corrupt, decadent monarchists. Our friend and enemy. Oil. Oil. Oil....

-Lebanon Contrast in cultures and battleground in the middle east. Beirut. Modern city and ancient blood feud civil wars. Byzantine culture of double-dealing...

-South afrika Modern state, ancient state. Huge contrast between civilized, modern cities and backwards cultural schisms. Huge potential met with huge question mark.

-Israel So refined yet so ruthless. Single minded and stubborn. Strong military and security establishment undermined by shortsightedness.

-Australia. Mad Max. Shrimp on the barbie and silly, steak Aussie-themed restaurants in the US. Ruggedness. AFL. Deserts, Jungles, and coastal beaches all mixed up. Cultural throwback in rural areas. yet urbane cosmopolitan suburban cities. Beer.

-New Zealand Sheep. Similar to Australia but not quite.
I didt think u Americans knew what AFL was.......:shock:

Panzerknacker
09-23-2008, 06:30 PM
I skip this one



-Argentina : Meat on the hoof; envy Brazilian women

Vulgarity is no envied 32 B :rolleyes:

boxerrick41
09-24-2008, 10:17 AM
i guess this IS a challenge. hhhmmmmm
1. argentina-eva peron
2. brazil-naked hedonists all over the place
3. chili- fighting, political problems
4. uruguay-rainforests, drugs,bullets worth more than life
5. columbia- see uruguay
6. mexico-poor people, faithful women,hard workers
7. USA- john wayne, movie stars, singers and athletes that make too much money and are too highly regarded for something so unimportant, Bravery and Heroism complex
8. canada- hockey and cold winters
9. spain-artsy, beautiful landscape
10. france- fierce nationalism, kinda snobby but very intelligent people
11. germany-science , innovation, hard workers
12. austria- arnold shwarchznegger
13. sweden- blond haired beauties
14. italy- romance, food, music
15. england-tradition, morals, diplomacy
16. czech rebublic-? i didnt know it existed after soviet breakup
17. Ukraine- good boxers, trying to become a real diplomatic nation
18. Russia- hardship, suffering at the hands of corruption, government
19. china-a giant ant farm that is accomplishing what communist russia set out to do
20. japan-very modern, love their art
21.saudi arabia- ? allyor not, who ever knows what on their minds
22.lebanon-jew-haters, terrorists
23. south africa- a sewer of crime rape and murder, makes US look like disneyland
24. Israel- where they crucified my lord, the place he will return
25.australia- fun tough people, like hillbilly english
26. new zealand-beaches, still some wild country
27. poland-hard workers, know how to throw a party too


i dont know how i did but, tried to be honest

Panzerknacker
09-24-2008, 06:06 PM
Honest enugh Boxy, honest enough

hi8ha
09-29-2008, 11:53 AM
Argentina- Too big of an ego; when is lighting they think God is taking their picture, believe they s!@t muffins and p#$$ champagne. 99% of blondes are dyed. Great wines, beef. Nazi’s safe heaven.

Brazil- Great music, women, Carnaval, Amazonia.

Chile- The Twiggy of countries. Been there, liked it, nice people, wines.

Uruguay- Always confuse its geographical location with Paraguay.

Colombia- Cocaine, Cumbia, Vallenato, women.

Mexico- Similar to Argentina but less classy. Illegal aliens. Drugs gateway to the USA.

USA- Caters TOO much to the world’s opinion, so politically correct it sucks, beautiful country, great people, would die for it, double standards in foreing policies, Israel’s puppet.

Canada- Mounted Police, very cold, maple syrup.

Spain- Flamenco, great food, Franco, Blue Legion, Condor Legion.

France- Got me in trouble.

Germany- Porsche, Leica, Leitz, beer, would like to learn the language. Better them that the Russians but... is too late.

Austria- Mozart, Glock.

Sweden- Volvo, Saab, Hasselbad.

Italy- Food, history, Ferrari, Cosa Nostra.

England- The best rock bands, Royalty, induced the Chinese to opium.

Czech Republic- Lots of Czechs there.

Ukraine- Idem.

Russia- Big country, very cold, Russian Mafia, don’t trust them even after the fall of Communism.

China- cheap and slave labor, cheap quality, don’t trust tem.

Japan- Technology, Sushi, bullet train, Nikon; got even, more people has lost their lives in Japanese vehicles than people who died in Hiroshima.

Saudi Arabia- Oil, Oil, Oil. Got the USA by the ba!!$. Who are they with?

Lebanon- They are people too, they have rights, food, Israel’s terrorism playground.

South Africa- Great White Shark.

Israel- Get away with murder, terrorism disguised as self defense, got the USA by the ba!!$. Holly place for 3 religions.

Australia- Down Under would love to visit.

New Zealand- Never been there but told is beautiful and the people are very nice.

herman2
09-29-2008, 01:15 PM
Argentina:.Hottest BABES in The WORLD!!:D
-Brazil: That corned beef stuff you buy in a can..yum yum..
-Chile: Stalinist regime
-Uruguay: Where the losers from Brazil go
-Colombia: Hot babes who party with cocainel
-Mexico: semi hot babes and good tequila
-USA: Best country in the world—all the Hot babes from Argentina :Dand Columbia go there to immigrate
-Canada: Great country . Home of the Herman Meister. Great Beer and Great neighbours (American)
-Spain: Flamingo dancing
-France: French Fries, Poutine, stuck up-wouldn’t help out the States in Iraq.
-Germany: One of the best in the world, all I can say is GREAT BEER!!
-Austria: Hitler born-nothing else.
-Sweden: Blond Bimbo’s
-Italy: Pizza, flying spaghetti monster (it exsists in Italy so I am told)
-England: The Quenn, nice place
-Czech Republic: Maufi
-Ukranie: Nukes
-Russia: Bully
-China: HING HONG WANG SHEENG
-Japan: makes great porno movies in subtitles
-Saudi Arabia: camels, oil, boring
-Lebanon: Falafels and shwarma,ugly women.
-South Afrika: Mel Gibson, FIFA World Cup
-Israel: Nice place but creates lots of enemies
-Australia: Real nasty people live here, opinionated,paranoid and full of bone heads
-New Zealand: Must be full of bone heads as is near Austrailia

navyson
09-29-2008, 01:27 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble there Herman, but Mel Gibson is Australian by way of USA. Although what you said about Aussies could apply to him also;):D
(He is one of my favorite actors, btw)

Oh, he opposed South Africans in Lethal Weapon 2, IIRC.

herman2
09-29-2008, 01:41 PM
Oh Ya, I know Nason, ...I was just thinking of that dam good movie that Mel Gibson played in, where he fought against the bad guys who were from South Africa...I think it was called lethal Weaopon-2..thats why I said South Africa...(I should of made better sense)..

aly j
09-29-2008, 11:39 PM
Herman 2-What cause you too hate Australians so much.:confused:

herman2
09-30-2008, 10:15 AM
I like Mel Gibson...he's Austrailan,,,although when he gets drunk he talks too much about hating the Jews....real nasty if you know what I mean...9relating to his past arrest where he spewed hatred against Jews in drunken state of mind)..but he's still a great actor!

Williams
10-11-2008, 02:40 AM
-Argentina Cow boys

-Brazil The type of nuts my dad likes..

-Chile the copihue

-Uruguay Freedom Or Death

-Colombia Humid,hot and wet?

-Mexico Good food

-USA What I need more of in my clan

-Canada My friend Goob?

-Spain Conquistador

-France Joan of Arc

-Germany Barbarossa

-Austria Mr.Hitler

-Sweden A safe place

-Italy Good food

-England Northumber land,Essex,Wessex Sussex

-Czech Republic Meat

-Ukraine Easter eggs

-Russia Tzar Ivan the"Grozny" then terrible

-China BIG military

-Japan Pantie vending machines and techonolgy

-Saudi Arabia Oil rich

-Lebanon Good food

-South afrika Diamonds and injustice

-Israel Jerusalem

-Australia. Were I live. bad sheep jokes

-New Zealand Where my friend lives bad sheep jokes

navyson
10-11-2008, 08:28 AM
[USA- what I need more of in my clan] quoted by williams.

Pardon me, (and maybe I'm ignorant here), but does Australia have clans?

flamethrowerguy
10-11-2008, 08:34 AM
[USA- what I need more of in my clan] quoted by williams.

Pardon me, (and maybe I'm ignorant here), but does Australia have clans?

That should rather be some online gaming thing...

navyson
10-11-2008, 08:43 AM
That should rather be some online gaming thing...
How so? (starting to feel real ignorant):)
I was thinking Scottish clans or such.

flamethrowerguy
10-11-2008, 08:54 AM
How so? (starting to feel real ignorant):)
I was thinking Scottish clans or such.

We gotta change and try to understand the parlance and grammar of our time! :roll:

navyson
10-11-2008, 09:17 AM
We gotta change and try to understand the parlance and grammar of our time! :roll:
True..........but it would have helped if my blurry early morning eyesight hadn't read online gambling! (now I feel stupid rather than ignorant):D

Rising Sun*
10-11-2008, 09:27 AM
[USA- what I need more of in my clan] quoted by williams.

Pardon me, (and maybe I'm ignorant here), but does Australia have clans?

The original Australians, being the Aborigines, do.

Clans are a very important part of a complex system of tribes, clans, kinship, totems, skin names and various other things I don't profess to understand. But crossing Aboriginal clan boundaries (in a clan or cultural rather than geographical sense) can cause a lot of trouble.

navyson
10-11-2008, 10:03 AM
The original Australians, being the Aborigines, do.

Clans are a very important part of a complex system of tribes, clans, kinship, totems, skin names and various other things I don't profess to understand. But crossing Aboriginal clan boundaries (in a clan or cultural rather than geographical sense) can cause a lot of trouble.

I'm sorry to say, but it didn't even cross my mind about the Aborigines tribes in Australia. It just popped into my head about Scottish/Irish clans.:(

Rising Sun*
10-11-2008, 10:22 AM
It just popped into my head about Scottish/Irish clans.:(

Yeah, well, we of Irish descent down here tolerate the Scots with their clumsy attempts to hide daggers in their socks and their silly sword dances and their itchy kilts and wailing bagpipes and piping in the haggis, but we of Irish descent don't have clans in Australia.

We're just a united front against the Scots and the terrible Sassenachs they cuddled up to to keep us Irish out of anything important down here.

Not that we're bitter about it. :D

navyson
10-11-2008, 10:43 AM
Yeah, well, we of Irish descent down here tolerate the Scots with their clumsy attempts to hide daggers in their socks and their silly sword dances and their itchy kilts and wailing bagpipes and piping in the haggis, but we of Irish descent don't have clans in Australia.

We're just a united front against the Scots and the terrible Sassenachs they cuddled up to to keep us Irish out of anything important down here.

Not that we're bitter about it. :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/ErinGoBragh.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/ErinGoBragh.jpg)
I'm Scotch/Irish on my dads side, Dutch/German on my mothers side. Talk about conflict.:) I'm the classic case of "melting pot":cool:

Rising Sun*
10-11-2008, 10:57 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/ErinGoBragh.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/ErinGoBragh.jpg)



Right on!

And to those who don't like it, <censored>! :mrgreen:


I'm Scotch/Irish on my dads side, Dutch/German on my mothers side. Talk about conflict.:) I'm the classic case of "melting pot":cool:

I'm Irish on two sides, with Dutch and Portuguese (and an embarrassing element of English which the family has always called Cornish to distinguish ourselves from the Poms) and a few bits of other stuff to make me a certified mongrel. :D

Adrian Wainer
10-11-2008, 11:37 AM
-Argentina Guachos, Falklands War, Eva Peron, Nazis, Transandine Railway

-Brazil Sugar loaf Mountain, Rio de Janeiro, Bahia,

-Chile Santiago, Fruitilar, Osorno, Chiloe, Valdavia, Puerto Mont, happy times

-Uruguay

-Colombia

-Mexico Mexicana pilots best in World!

-USA Henry Ford, Bill Clinton, FDR, Ronald Regan, Big Boy

-Canada next to USA

-Spain beautiful Women

-France good place to live if you are a fascist

-Germany see France, France is now better

-Austria ruled by elected dictatorship

-Sweden Swedrabia

-Italy best food, girls with hot bodies,

-England not a Country

-Czech Republic made good tanks before WW2

-Ukranie I like the chick with the peasant hairstyle

-Rusia either invading some other country or about to invade some other country or has just invaded some other country, has worst dressed rich people

-China Communism Lite meets Turbocapitalism

-Japan Good looking Women, polite people

-Saudi Arabia Arab Fascists

-Lebanon Was a nice place, till the Islamists screwed it up

-South afrika Gave white people a bad name

-Israel The new excuse for hating the Jews

-Australia. Do as I say, not as I do.

-New Zealand Kiwis Rule!

kallinikosdrama1992
10-11-2008, 12:38 PM
-Argentina : Well about argentina i would that the first i think is handsom girls


-Brazil : About Brazil 1.football 2.Rio de Janeiro 3. samba/mambo and cocoa

-Chile

-Uruguay

-Colombia

-Mexico

-USA : 1.war and "heavy" oil prices . Also rock .

-Canada : Cold winters , nice summers i gues

-Spain : Real Madrid , Catalunia , Valearides

-France : Aifel tower , Louvre and "romance"

-Germany : World War I , II . Scorpions , Brandenburg's Gate .

-Austria : Chocolate , chocolate and chocolate

-Sweden : Diamonds , winter , 1.80 handsom blond girls

-Italy : Rome , Colloseum , nice wine nice beaches .

-England : Beatles

-Ukranie : Chernobyl nuclear disaster

-Rusia : Josef Stalin , Lennin , war with georgia

-China : Mao CHe Tung , billions of people

-Japan : Hiroshima , Nagkasaki , sake , samurai ,

-Saudi Arabia : Lot of oil , Persian Gulf War(or was other country ?)

-Israel : Holy Land , Six Day War and Yom Kippur War

Panzerknacker
10-11-2008, 10:48 PM
Argentina Guachos, Falklands War, Eva Peron, Nazis, Transandine Railway


You mean Gauchos.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ij4vab.jpg

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 05:59 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/ErinGoBragh.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/ErinGoBragh.jpg)
I'm Scotch/Irish on my dads side, Dutch/German on my mothers side. Talk about conflict.:) I'm the classic case of "melting pot":cool:

Well, if you want to speak of melting pots, my wife is from the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago.

Trinidad, being at the southern tip of the Windward Islands of the Caribbean, lies just off the coast of Venesuela, it's capital city being Port of Spain.

Map
http://www.islamargarita.com/venezuela-map.htm

It was a Spanish colony, peopled by Arawak and some Carib Indians, until taken over by the British. The British (Picton in particular), encouraged by French refugees from the island of Hispaniola/Espanola (modern Haiti and San Domingo) introduced slavery to the island. After emancipation, the former slaves refused to work the sugar and coffee plantations and so the British encouraged Portuguese migrants to come and work there. However, they couldn't handle the environment and began to drop like flies. The colonists tried again, this time with Chinese indentured workers, but they rioted and refused to work in such harsh conditions - turned to running laundries for a living. So, in desperation, the colonists treated with India and sort Indian, indentured workers. This was successful. The Indians worked the plantations for seven years and then were given a plot of land and released from their indentureship. Naturally, these workers had to be replace, and so Indians were taken to Trinidad up until around 1905. Even today, it is Indian labour that works the plantations.

Those were the beginnings of the melting pot - Spanish, Amer-Indian, British (English,Welsh, Irish and Scottish), African/African-Caribbean, East-Indian (Hindu and Muslim), Chinese and Portuguese. Many of these people of various races which include other immigrants that followed, such as Syrians, have inter-bred and inter-married over the generations, a diversity which has produced a wonderfully enriched nation and culture.

Trinidadians refer to themselves not as a melting pot (although the term does lean to that of mixing of colours), but as Calaloo, which is both a plant and a dish made from the plant. The dish basically means mix-up, and that's how Trinidadians see themselves. A mix-up of race, colour, culture and creed, and for the most part - it works.

Although most of the Caribbean Islands have mixtures, the level of the mixtures is almost unique to Trinidad, with Guyana, formerly British Guiana, sharing a similar history coming a close second.

And wherever you find Trinis, you will will find Carnival. ;)

Trinidad:

http://www.carnaval.com/cityguides/trinidad/trincarn.htm

Notting Hill:

http://www.mynottinghill.co.uk/nottinghilltv/carnival1.htm

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 07:43 AM
Check out some Soca music and Soca women:

http://www.jr.com/product/music/pm/_258921/

navyson
10-12-2008, 07:57 AM
Wow 32bravo, they are definitely "calaloo" down there in Trinidad&Tobago! That's amazing the amount of cultures on two small islands:shock:. Thanks for sharing!

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 08:49 AM
Wow 32bravo, they are definitely "calaloo" down there in Trinidad&Tobago! That's amazing the amount of cultures on two small islands:shock:. Thanks for sharing!

Well, thank you, sir.

As I've touched on 'Carnaval' here's a little more inof from my own experiences:

When I first visited Trinidad, about thirty years ago, the ratio of women to men was quoted at being 10:1.

there is nothing Trinis enjoy more than Caranaval, and with it comes Bachaanal which is scandal and confusion or, as far as the girls are concerned Scandalous behaviour - and they compete to be the most outrageous - they take no prisoners...no man is excused...no man is safe. :)

http://greatdance.com/choreographerscarnival/IMG_1542.JPG


Carnival is not Carnival without bacchanal!

http://greatdance.com/choreographerscarnival/2008/02/kiddies-carnival/

Carnival/Caraval begins with 'Jouve' just after midnight on the Monday running into lent. It finishes with "Las'-lap" ending at midnight on Tuesday, the beginning of Ash Wednesday. Forty-eight hours of drinking and bachaanal, before the abstinence of lent.

Going about Port of Spain on the morning of Ash Wednesday, it's as if Carnival had never happened, the place is clean and very very quiet (not a drunk or vagrant in sight). One would never believe that about a million people had been "Jumpin' up and gettin' on bad" the night before. :D

redcoat
10-12-2008, 10:07 AM
-Those were the beginnings of the melting pot - Spanish, Amer-Indian, British (English,Welsh, Irish and Scottish), African/African-Caribbean, East-Indian (Hindu and Muslim), Chinese and Portuguese. Many of these people of various races which include other immigrants that followed, such as Syrians, have inter-bred and inter-married over the generations, a diversity which has produced a wonderfully enriched nation and culture.

Trinidadians refer to themselves not as a melting pot (although the term does lean to that of mixing of colours), but as Calaloo, which is both a plant and a dish made from the plant. The dish basically means mix-up, and that's how Trinidadians see themselves. A mix-up of race, colour, culture and creed, and for the most part - it works.


There was also a group of Afro-Americans who were settled in Trinadad. Escaped US slaves who joined the British forces in the War Of 1812, and gave noteable service in a number of battles during this war, as members of the Colonial Marines, including the raid on
Washington.
After the war they were, as free settlers, given plots of land in Trinidad, where descendants still refer to themselves as 'Merikens' ;)

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 10:36 AM
There was also a group of Afro-Americans who were settled in Trinadad. Escaped US slaves who joined the British forces in the War Of 1812, and gave noteable service in a number of battles during this war, as members of the Colonial Marines, including the raid on
Washington.
After the war they were, as free settlers, given plots of land in Trinidad, where descendants still refer to themselves as 'Merikens' ;)

Hey, now I'm really impressed, RC!!

These soldiers were the people whom introduced the Baptist faith to Trinidad.
They were particularly good at agriculture, having been slaves from the land. They didn't have the same reservations to working the land as the African-Caribbeans, but wanted land to work. Unfortunately, the first lands they were given, was pretty bad, and the town which they built there continues to have the name Hard Bargain. However, they petitioned for better land which they were granted, and they built another town which is known as New Grant.

The churches which they built to practise their faith were named after their rifle companies, and one can still travel about south, central Trinidad and find churches sporting names such as 7 Company Baptist church.

navyson
10-12-2008, 10:44 AM
Check out some Soca music and Soca women:

http://www.jr.com/product/music/pm/_258921/

Not quite my cup of tea music wise, but it is catchy. I would probably enjoy it more at the source! Kind of like Jimmy Buffet songs, they're better enjoyed at the Florida Keys.:)

navyson
10-12-2008, 10:46 AM
There was also a group of Afro-Americans who were settled in Trinadad. Escaped US slaves who joined the British forces in the War Of 1812, and gave noteable service in a number of battles during this war, as members of the Colonial Marines, including the raid on
Washington.
After the war they were, as free settlers, given plots of land in Trinidad, where descendants still refer to themselves as 'Merikens' ;)
Wow, That's something I never would have known either, thanks redcoat.

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 11:04 AM
Not quite my cup of tea music wise, but it is catchy. I would probably enjoy it more at the source! Kind of like Jimmy Buffet songs, they're better enjoyed at the Florida Keys.:)

I can appreciate that. I'm sure you'd love it at source, blended with rum and the Trini girls as they whine on down on you. :D

http://www.trinishack.com/img29007.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN-R-nFZwr4&feature=related

navyson
10-12-2008, 11:17 AM
I can appreciate that. I'm sure you'd love it at source, blended with rum and the Trini girls as they whine on down on you. :D

http://www.trinishack.com/img29007.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN-R-nFZwr4&feature=related


:shock::D:cool:

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 11:51 AM
:shock::D:cool:

http://www.trinishack.com/img27041.htm

navyson
10-12-2008, 12:04 PM
:D:D:lol:
It's all fun and games until the wife hits you over your head!;)

32Bravo
10-12-2008, 12:20 PM
:D:D:lol:
It's all fun and games until the wife hits you over your head!;)


Depends on the missus - mines a Trini. ;)

navyson
10-12-2008, 12:22 PM
Depends on the missus - mines a Trini. ;)
Yes, true.