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flamethrowerguy
08-19-2008, 09:48 AM
Hi everybody. I'd like to add my two cents regarding the recent unpleasant occurrences on the site involving fueling racial hate by alleged germans.
I tryed to stay out of all the debates as long as possible cause I am enjoying the forum too much to deal with this negative attitude.
But now it seems that the number of verbal aggressive germans is increasing rapidly. Sure, their output has to be called clumsy but as it provokes statements like "thick teutonic skulls" I thimk it's time to intervene.
As I already mentioned we're dealing with alleged germans here, either living in other countries for whatever reasons or calling themselves "(swiss) german americans" -whatever this means. Now the next one -with an "always faithful" nickname tells us about how he hates russians. Not to forget that the members in question all to seem minors.
What I really like to say is that you guys should remember that the "real" germans on the site, this means established ones like e.g. Drake and Flammpanzer or relative newbees like myself and tank expert Sergej (who comes from Siberia with a german background as I assume, please correct me if I am wrong), try to add useful input to the site and would never lower themselves to those kinds of statements. PEACE!

P.S. In my opinions it's a Solomonian decision of Firefly to ban Stevey for "just" three weeks and not permanently since I "know" him from the photo section for a couple of months now and think he is a funny guy if he's not on the warpath and starting paradoxal threats like "Stevey14/88 no Nazi" (ouch, this bites!). Like Firefly I am sure the guy can be worked on and it's not too late for him to change attitude since he's very young. But, Stevey, you and me had this issue before and I still don't believe you to be german!

P.P.S Let's not forget about humor, a little picking on each other is okay I think, since americans, british, australian and canadians here are permanantly doing so. Yes, in contrary to general opinion, germans have some humor too. Personally I'd be the last not to laugh about a little making fun of germans like "Hogan's Heroes" or "Saving Private Ryan".

herman2
08-19-2008, 09:57 AM
I have german background but am Canadian and I didn't find the writings that are fueling racial hate by alleged germans. Maybe I am looking at the wrong pages..but thank you for your feedback and note well taken.tx.

Rising Sun*
08-19-2008, 10:09 AM
Hi everybody. I'd like to add my two cents regarding the recent unpleasant occurrences on the site involving fueling racial hate by alleged germans.
I tryed to stay out of all the debates as long as possible cause I am enjoying the forum too much to deal with this negative attitude.
But now it seems that the number of verbal aggressive germans is increasing rapidly. Sure, their output has to be called clumsy but as it provokes statements like "thick teutonic skulls" I thimk it's time to intervene.
As I already mentioned we're dealing with alleged germans here, either living in other countries for whatever reasons or calling themselves "(swiss) german americans" -whatever this means. Now the next one -with an "always faithful" nickname tells us about how he hates russians. Not to forget that the members in question all to seem minors.
What I really like to say is that you guys should remember that the "real" germans on the site, this means established ones like e.g. Drake and Flammpanzer or relative newbees like myself and tank expert Sergej (who comes from Siberia with a german background as I assume, please correct me if I am wrong), try to add useful input to the site and would never lower themselves to those kinds of statements. PEACE!

P.S. In my opinions it's a Solomonian decision of Firefly to ban Stevey for "just" three weeks and not permanently since I "know" him from the photo section for a couple of months now and think he is a funny guy if he's not on the warpath and starting paradoxal threats like "Stevey14/88 no Nazi" (ouch, this bites!). Like Firefly I am sure the guy can be worked on and it's not too late for him to change attitude since he's very young. But, Stevey, you and me had this issue before and I still don't believe you to be german!

P.P.S Let's not forget about humor, a little picking on each other is okay I think, since americans, british, australian and canadians here are permanantly doing so. Yes, in contrary to general opinion, germans have some humor too. Personally I'd be the last not to laugh about a little making fun of germans like "Hogan's Heroes" or "Saving Private Ryan".

As the author of the 'thick Teutonic skull' piece, I can assure you that all my comments were directed to Nazis and not to Germans who weren't Nazis.

To the extent that my comments may have indicated otherwise, it wasn't intended.

If you read my posts you will find that I have made the point repeatedly that modern Germany is opposed to a resurgence of Nazism.

As am I.

Which is why I don't give any quarter in conflicts with neo-Nazis, whether or not they claim to be German or of German descent.

flamethrowerguy
08-19-2008, 10:15 AM
As the author of the 'thick Teutonic skull' piece, I can assure you that all my comments were directed to Nazis and not to Germans who weren't Nazis.

To the extent that my comments may have indicated otherwise, it wasn't intended.

If you read my posts you will find that I have made the point repeatedly that modern Germany is opposed to a resurgence of Nazism.

As am I.

Which is why I don't give any quarter in conflicts with neo-Nazis, whether or not they claim to be German or of German descent.


No misunderstanding, I didn't expect you to be anti-german and it's a logic consequence to use phrases like this. Hell, we are (partially) teutonic and have (partially) thick heads. I just wanted to point on the danger of generalizing. It's your god-given right to attack Neo-Nazis whether they're from Germany or anywhere else.

flamethrowerguy
08-19-2008, 10:16 AM
I have german background but am Canadian and I didn't find the writings that are fueling racial hate by alleged germans. Maybe I am looking at the wrong pages..but thank you for your feedback and note well taken.tx.

Heman, I think it all occured during your forced vacation lately.

herman2
08-19-2008, 10:40 AM
LOL.Ya thats true!

pdf27
08-19-2008, 10:43 AM
Yeah, we do seem to have had a large number of wannabe Germans cropping up of late. Personally I think it's just that teenage boys at a certain age think Nazi Uniforms are really, really cool and that the Nazis were a great bunch really. Due to the way that at that age their brain really doesn't work very well they therefore identify with Nazis and it appears want to be German. There is certainly no sign of them actually being able to speak German - the total lack of response to Stoaty's questions in German being strongly indicative of this.

flamethrowerguy
08-19-2008, 10:51 AM
There is certainly no sign of them actually being able to speak German - the total lack of response to Stoaty's questions in German being strongly indicative of this.

That's exactly the reason why I suspect Stevey to be as german as the London Brigde or Fish 'n Chips. Beyond the internationally known Third Reich phrases and salutes there was nothing much of knowledge of german language. He tried but to me it was obvious that's just an english text translated by some free-ware internet translation site, sounded like these japanese manuals for remote controls...Anyway, Stevey, no hard feelings or just prove me wrong. When you come back in 20 days, maybe it's the occasion to start all over with a true identity and maybe a little modified user name. As you never claimed to be a veteran yourself I am sure all can be forgiven.

ptimms
08-19-2008, 03:15 PM
I must admit I find it difficult when people go at Stevey with attitudes and language that is as racist as his. I think I've kept my cool and try and be a bit clever (you may disagree). As a 14-16 yr old I devoured Hassell, Kessler and any other war porn that came along, I admired the fighting spirit of the SS etc but never actually wanted to be one. However young men make poor choices my signature is the badge of the 31st SS, a Division I have studied and it consisted of some volunteers who at 15 and 16 joined what was obviously the losing side to defend their homeland against the perceived enemy, the Red Army which was about to invade their land. I have some sympathy because at that age I probably would have too.

But I still will pile into him or any other pretend Nazi because if we prevent one being that stupid it's worth it.

navyson
08-19-2008, 03:53 PM
I don't post much, as I'm not near as knowledgeable as a lot of people here on the subject of the site. But I do quite a bit of reading of the forum threads. And I find it all quite interesting with the different nationalities and their opinions. There may be germans, russians, british, etc. in the city where I live, but not in my circles, so this has been kind of a treat getting to know some people I wouldn't have otherwise. And to read and interact about ww2. So, hopefully I won't tread on anyones toes.

Egorka
08-20-2008, 04:07 AM
By the way, speaking of "huns", do you know the story why this term stuck to Germans?

flamethrowerguy
08-20-2008, 04:11 AM
By the way, speaking of "huns", do you know the story why this term stuck to Germans?

No, just know that the english are supposed to call us that and that we actually have nothing to do with huns by any means.

Rising Sun*
08-20-2008, 05:48 AM
By the way, speaking of "huns", do you know the story why this term stuck to Germans?

Do you mean you know the story and it's a quiz, or you want to know where the term came from?

If the latter, ever heard of Attila the Hun? The Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, etc? If you'd had a Catholic education, which was big on people who threatened to sack ancient Rome, you'd know about Attila and the Huns. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A292402

The Huns were probably more closely associated with what became Hungary than the Germanic barbarian tribes.

Egorka
08-20-2008, 06:24 AM
No, just know that the english are supposed to call us that and that we actually have nothing to do with huns by any means.


Do you mean you know the story and it's a quiz, or you want to know where the term came from?

Yes, it is kind of a quiz. :)
I read it recently but do not remember the detail right now. I will ytry to find it again...
Roughly speaking it was German Keiser Wilhelm (I or II?) who used term "huns" in verbal address to the German corps, which was about to embark to China for somekind of retaliation attack because Chinese raided German offices or something. So Keiser Wilhelm told them to go there and show and do what huns did to Europe. And then it came from there to this:
http://pics.livejournal.com/fat_yankey/pic/0007gy59

and there : http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/3203.html

Egorka
08-20-2008, 06:32 AM
Right... It was part of the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion) in 1899-1901.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/China_imperialism_cartoon.jpg/180px-China_imperialism_cartoon.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
German troops in particular were criticized for their enthusiasm in carrying out Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany's July 27 order:

“Make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German.[ Eugene, Melvin. Sonnenburg, Penny M. [2003] (2003). Digitized 2006. Colonialism: An International, Social, Cultural, and Political Encyclopedia. ISBN 1576073351 ]”
The speech, in which Wilhelm invoked the memory of the 5th century Huns, gave rise to the British derogatory name "Hun" for their German enemy during World War I and World War II.

Chevan
08-20-2008, 06:51 AM
Hi everybody. I'd like to add my two cents regarding the recent unpleasant occurrences on the site involving fueling racial hate by alleged germans.
I tryed to stay out of all the debates as long as possible cause I am enjoying the forum too much to deal with this negative attitude.
But now it seems that the number of verbal aggressive germans is increasing rapidly. Sure, their output has to be called clumsy but as it provokes statements like "thick teutonic skulls" I thimk it's time to intervene.
As I already mentioned we're dealing with alleged germans here, either living in other countries for whatever reasons or calling themselves "(swiss) german americans" -whatever this means. Now the next one -with an "always faithful" nickname tells us about how he hates russians. Not to forget that the members in question all to seem minors.
What I really like to say is that you guys should remember that the "real" germans on the site, this means established ones like e.g. Drake and Flammpanzer or relative newbees like myself and tank expert Sergej (who comes from Siberia with a german background as I assume, please correct me if I am wrong), try to add useful input to the site and would never lower themselves to those kinds of statements. PEACE!

You are absolutly right.
Actualy all the Real GErmans in site are very polite and contributes a lot of interesting stuff for our company.Drake , you ,Flammpanzer and my former countryman Sergey :) are very welcomed here IMO.
As i know INDEED the most of the Nacis/SS admireres have the anglo-saxon origin, mostly from USA but sometimer ( rare) from Britain.
They usialy have nothing common with Real GErmans and learning their Rasists views mostly from Western revisionists and pro-nazis extremists writers.( That also mostly non-Germans).
So in fact the GErmans extremists are very rare in Web.


P.S. In my opinions it's a Solomonian decision of Firefly to ban Stevey for "just" three weeks and not permanently since I "know" him from the photo section for a couple of months now and think he is a funny guy if he's not on the warpath and starting paradoxal threats like "Stevey14/88 no Nazi" (ouch, this bites!). Like Firefly I am sure the guy can be worked on and it's not too late for him to change attitude since he's very young. But, Stevey, you and me had this issue before and I still don't believe you to be german!

I really wonder that Firefly has not banned him forever.
As i said from most beginning the Stevey nicname ( 14/88) don't imply he can change his Race views.The right place for him is the WhiteNational forums- there a plenty of it around the globe already.
So this stupid kid should not be allowed to express his race-hate views PUBLICALY, AT LEAST in our forum.

Egorka
08-20-2008, 08:28 AM
Some info about the Keiser Wilhelm's speaches:

http://www.h-net.org/~german/gtext/kaiserreich/china.html

AirdefMike
08-20-2008, 10:26 AM
Hmm...just another sign of poor education. Up here...youngsters don't even know much about ww2 anymore.

IMHO, these kind of posts (racist ones) should be dealt with quickly and decisively.

pdf27
08-20-2008, 11:30 AM
Unfortunately, due to previous experience with mods banning people inappropriately anyone with more than a very small number of posts can only be banned by Firefly, General Sandworm or WW2Admin - none of whom are around very much.

Ardee
08-20-2008, 01:11 PM
First, as an aside before making a "proposal:" I may be over-something (e.g., -reacting, -reaching, -nit-picking), here, but the following just hit me. I know what FTG meant and that he was speaking casually, so this isn't anything in his regard, but...


It's your god-given right to attack Neo-Nazis whether they're from Germany or anywhere else.

I just wanted to state/remind that whether or not that right is God-given, it was a right that might have been lost some 55 or 60 years ago, had it not been for those who redeemed it with their blood, tears, limbs and lives. I guess I'm just having a "Lest we forget..." moment here, and it was a strong one, so I let it out....

In any case, and not to go off-topic, I'd like to make a formal suggestion to the site administrators. I've stated elsewhere that I have mixed feelings about Stevey getting banned or not. I think the Mod's decision was probably fair and appropriate -- and it's not like he can't be banned-for-life in the future if he doesn't change some things. And that's where my suggestion comes in: I DO think that TWO of those things that ought to be required of him are 1) losing the "14/88" and 2) the prevention of his using the SS avatar or anything similar.

The first I would like to suggest become a site policy: that anyone who opts for a log-in name containing such blatantly racist/neo-Nazi symbology be presented with an immediate choice: change it within 24 hours or get banned. I think such names not only promote ideals many find to be offensive, but, just by being out there publicly, may also attract like-minded individuals to the site. I know others have voiced the same opinion; I'm just offering a draft wording of the rule as a starting point for discussion (if anybody wants to do so). And because they have shown themselves to have a propensity along such lines, when they are given their 24 or be banned notice, they should also receive an "official" warning about making racist/neo-Nazi posts, which if they ignore, they get banned.

The second change (avatar) is something I'm less sure about becoming a policy, but I do think it is something appropriate for this individual. I am glad his "SS" avatar is now gone, but I'm not sure if that will remain the case once he returns from his "vacation." I think ruling out anything to do with the SS (including photos of soldiers, unit badges, symbols, or ANYTHING) as an avatar may also serve as a subtle reminder to him to "behave" every time he sees it. As a broader policy though, I have mixed thoughts -- simply because, as somebody has already pointed out, there are lots of *kids* who think "SS" is "cool," without understanding what they were really all about. While I personally would like to see that happen, I am also afraid it might open a can of worms: if somebody were to feel, for instance, that a Red Guards badge is promoting Stalinism or something like that. I mean, who would be the judge,and what would be the criteria? And if and when avatars becomes a "problem," we can deal with it then.

So, that's my thinking and the suggestion: Site-wide ban against log-in names containing neo-Nazi are racist components, and for Stevey as an individual, policing his avatar as necessary (or if that's too much trouble, and if it's possible to do so, just take away his ability to use an avatar, period).

What do you all think? And would the administrators here be open to such suggestions from members in any case?

George Eller
08-20-2008, 01:47 PM
First, as an aside before making a "proposal:" I may be over-something (e.g., -reacting, -reaching, -nit-picking), here, but the following just hit me. I know what FTG meant and that he was speaking casually, so this isn't anything in his regard, but...



I just wanted to state/remind that whether or not that right is God-given, it was a right that might have been lost some 55 or 60 years ago, had it not been for those who redeemed it with their blood, tears, limbs and lives. I guess I'm just having a "Lest we forget..." moment here, and it was a strong one, so I let it out....

In any case, and not to go off-topic, I'd like to make a formal suggestion to the site administrators. I've stated elsewhere that I have mixed feelings about Stevey getting banned or not. I think the Mod's decision was probably fair and appropriate -- and it's not like he can't be banned-for-life in the future if he doesn't change some things. And that's where my suggestion comes in: I DO think that TWO of those things that ought to be required of him are 1) losing the "14/88" and 2) the prevention of his using the SS avatar or anything similar.

The first I would like to suggest become a site policy: that anyone who opts for a log-in name containing such blatantly racist/neo-Nazi symbology be presented with an immediate choice: change it within 24 hours or get banned. I think such names not only promote ideals many find to be offensive, but, just by being out there publicly, may also attract like-minded individuals to the site. I know others have voiced the same opinion; I'm just offering a draft wording of the rule as a starting point for discussion (if anybody wants to do so). And because they have shown themselves to have a propensity along such lines, when they are given their 24 or be banned notice, they should also receive an "official" warning about making racist/neo-Nazi posts, which if they ignore, they get banned.

The second change (avatar) is something I'm less sure about becoming a policy, but I do think it is something appropriate for this individual. I am glad his "SS" avatar is now gone, but I'm not sure if that will remain the case once he returns from his "vacation." I think ruling out anything to do with the SS (including photos of soldiers, unit badges, symbols, or ANYTHING) as an avatar may also serve as a subtle reminder to him to "behave" every time he sees it. As a broader policy though, I have mixed thoughts -- simply because, as somebody has already pointed out, there are lots of *kids* who think "SS" is "cool," without understanding what they were really all about. While I personally would like to see that happen, I am also afraid it might open a can of worms: if somebody were to feel, for instance, that a Red Guards badge is promoting Stalinism or something like that. I mean, who would be the judge,and what would be the criteria? And if and when avatars becomes a "problem," we can deal with it then.

So, that's my thinking and the suggestion: Site-wide ban against log-in names containing neo-Nazi are racist components, and for Stevey as an individual, policing his avatar as necessary (or if that's too much trouble, and if it's possible to do so, just take away his ability to use an avatar, period).

What do you all think? And would the administrators here be open to such suggestions from members in any case?
-

I think that you have brought up some excellent points. I personally would not have a problem banning SS avatars and other symbols of racist/neo-Nazi ideology.

Concern over its recent proliferation has been brought up among the mods, and I feel that it should be seriously considered as official policy on this website.

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Major Walter Schmidt
09-18-2008, 01:06 AM
What is it about 14/88?
Googled it and found an aryan web site promoting crappy german (wehrwolf LOL) and white supremacy...
What does it mean?

Major Walter Schmidt
09-18-2008, 01:15 AM
looked at the stevey no nazi thread..
I thought it had something to do with the T-34 first...Biiig mistake..

flamethrowerguy
09-18-2008, 04:09 AM
looked at the stevey no nazi thread..
I thought it had something to do with the T-34 first...Biiig mistake..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_Words

Nickdfresh
09-18-2008, 06:58 AM
What is it about 14/88?
Googled it and found an aryan web site promoting crappy german (wehrwolf LOL) and white supremacy...
What does it mean?

It's the number of words used in two separate, but related, asinine racist declarations...

Major Walter Schmidt
09-18-2008, 03:39 PM
I see... and stevey says he isn a nazi LOL

aly j
09-19-2008, 01:29 AM
No, just know that the english are supposed to call us that and that we actually have nothing to do with huns by any means.

i thought the british called the germans craute and jerries
im sure of it......

pdf27
09-19-2008, 01:40 AM
i thought the british called the germans craute and jerries
im sure of it......
Kraut, Jerry, Hun, Boche and Squarehead/Boxhead have all been used at various times.

boxerrick41
09-21-2008, 08:47 AM
the only german people i ever knew personally were my grandma ang Mr G, who owns the produce company ten minutes from my house, and if they are representatives of their country, then germans are a fine people. I loved my grandma, she was such a contrast to my dads family. she was very classy ,and to the day she died, very elegant and ladylike like my mom, god rest their souls . Mr G is a great guy, everyone in town knows him and likes him.He is an old man, and still works like a young guy, he still even wants to slap box with me whenever i see him

Walther
09-22-2008, 04:47 PM
I think I'll have to hang around here more often again. It should be really easy to ferret out some fake German wannabe Nazi, e.g. by using German slang.

Jan

flamethrowerguy
09-22-2008, 04:59 PM
I think I'll have to hang around here more often again. It should be really easy to ferret out some fake German wannabe Nazi, e.g. by using German slang.

Jan

Did that already. No response...

Walther
09-22-2008, 05:36 PM
Did that already. No response...

Wirklich? Feiglinge sind sie also auch noch!

Jan

flamethrowerguy
09-22-2008, 05:54 PM
Wirklich? Feiglinge sind sie also auch noch!

Jan

...oder einfach nur (post-) pubertäre Lügner und Wichtigtuer...

Ardee
09-22-2008, 07:53 PM
Well, guys, I hope someday you'll let the rest of know what you are talking about.... :)

Anyway, stevy has gone quiet, supposedly because he's on vacation, and maybe he'll come back, or not. But at the risk of being called an egotist for quoting my own writing, I had earlier posted:

I'd like to make a formal suggestion to the site administrators. I've stated elsewhere that I have mixed feelings about Stevey getting banned or not. I think the Mod's decision was probably fair and appropriate -- and it's not like he can't be banned-for-life in the future if he doesn't change some things. And that's where my suggestion comes in: I DO think that TWO of those things that ought to be required of him are 1) losing the "14/88" and 2) the prevention of his using the SS avatar or anything similar.

The first I would like to suggest become a site policy: that anyone who opts for a log-in name containing such blatantly racist/neo-Nazi symbology be presented with an immediate choice: change it within 24 hours or get banned. I think such names not only promote ideals many find to be offensive, but, just by being out there publicly, may also attract like-minded individuals to the site. I know others have voiced the same opinion; I'm just offering a draft wording of the rule as a starting point for discussion (if anybody wants to do so). And because they have shown themselves to have a propensity along such lines, when they are given their 24 or be banned notice, they should also receive an "official" warning about making racist/neo-Nazi posts, which if they ignore, they get banned.

The second change (avatar) is something I'm less sure about becoming a policy, but I do think it is something appropriate for this individual. I am glad his "SS" avatar is now gone, but I'm not sure if that will remain the case once he returns from his "vacation." I think ruling out anything to do with the SS (including photos of soldiers, unit badges, symbols, or ANYTHING) as an avatar may also serve as a subtle reminder to him to "behave" every time he sees it. As a broader policy though, I have mixed thoughts -- simply because, as somebody has already pointed out, there are lots of *kids* who think "SS" is "cool," without understanding what they were really all about. While I personally would like to see that happen, I am also afraid it might open a can of worms: if somebody were to feel, for instance, that a Red Guards badge is promoting Stalinism or something like that. I mean, who would be the judge,and what would be the criteria? And if and when avatars becomes a "problem," we can deal with it then.

So, that's my thinking and the suggestion: Site-wide ban against log-in names containing neo-Nazi are racist components, and for Stevey as an individual, policing his avatar as necessary (or if that's too much trouble, and if it's possible to do so, just take away his ability to use an avatar, period).

What do you all think? And would the administrators here be open to such suggestions from members in any case?

I believe there was only one direct response to it, by George Eller, which was positive:


I think that you have brought up some excellent points. I personally would not have a problem banning SS avatars and other symbols of racist/neo-Nazi ideology.

Concern over its recent proliferation has been brought up among the mods, and I feel that it should be seriously considered as official policy on this website.

The subsequent posts also seemed mostly sympathetic. Anyway, stevey is back (even if more absent than usual), along with his rune avatar. Is further discussion of a policy called for, or am I beating a dead horse? And, more to the point, would further discussion actually lead to something happening? Would the administrators listen? No disrespect intended, sirs! (Is that enough CYA, Herman?) But there have been a few posts by at least one individual suggesting the moderators are something less than proactive, and I haven't been around long enough to know if those comments are warranted or not. Even if stevey never comes back, I'm confident the issue will, sooner or later, raise its ugly head again. Should this topic be discussed seriously, while things can be discussed more...objectively? calmly? I'd know exactly what word to use here, but I think y'all know what I mean. Again, I'd like to hear what others think...?

aly j
09-22-2008, 09:02 PM
Wirklich? Feiglinge sind sie also auch noch!

Jan


...oder einfach nur (post-) pubertäre Lügner und Wichtigtuer...

Know i now whos the real germans on here
Makes me want to learn german.:cool:

pdf27
09-23-2008, 01:39 AM
I believe there was only one direct response to it, by George Eller, which was positive:
There was a fair bit of discussion on this in the war room - much more mixed results, mainly as to how we would enforce it. Don't worry, we haven't ignored you!

flamethrowerguy
09-23-2008, 04:57 AM
Well, guys, I hope someday you'll let the rest of know what you are talking about.... :)

Nothing special, Ardee, just mutual checking for identity I guess hence the german language. ;)

flamethrowerguy
09-23-2008, 05:00 AM
Makes me want to learn german.:cool:

No problem, aly. I'll teach you. Today's lesson:
:mrgreen:

aly j
09-23-2008, 10:28 AM
No problem, aly. I'll teach you. Today's lesson:
:mrgreen:

Really for real..............:D

ptimms
09-23-2008, 10:35 AM
Er ist unter die busch. (?)

flamethrowerguy
09-23-2008, 10:49 AM
Er ist unter die busch. (?)

Very good, Paul. Almost perfect: "...unter dem Busch.":D

aly j
09-23-2008, 11:08 AM
Er ist unter die busch. (?)

R u german too?:cool:

ptimms
09-23-2008, 11:31 AM
Aly,

Er ist unter dem busch, he is under the bush.

Schoolboy German from so long ago I don't want to admit. I can still run to "Zwei bier(e?) bitte" or "Mein Vater sitz im den lehnstuhl" (which are probably two beers please and my father sits in the armchair. The second less useful than the first.) Flame feel free to correct.

Flame,

I struggled then (and now) with the whole Die, Der, Das thing which is an alien concept to English speakers (or possibly just me). I am constantly embarrassed by the wonderful English all you non English speakers manage compared to my poor efforts.

flamethrowerguy
09-23-2008, 11:40 AM
I struggled then (and now) with the whole Die, Der, Das thing which is an alien concept to English speakers (or possibly just me).
Don't worry, Paul, it's an alien concept to many germans these days too. That's why german grammar was simplified in 1996, another measure for stupidity to take control.:(

aly j
09-23-2008, 11:43 AM
Aly,

Er ist unter dem busch, he is under the bush.

Schoolboy German from so long ago I don't want to admit. I can still run to "Zwei bier(e?) bitte" or "Mein Vater sitz im den lehnstuhl" (which are probably two beers please and my father sits in the armchair. The second less useful than the first.) Flame feel free to correct.

Flame,

I struggled then (and now) with the whole Die, Der, Das thing which is an alien concept to English speakers (or possibly just me). I am constantly embarrassed by the wonderful English all you non English speakers manage compared to my poor efforts.WhY are you ashame 2 admit youre German?I know what germany did back then but i still like germans and i was born in an english speaking country and you can type better in english than me, so dont be too hard on youre self.

ptimms
09-23-2008, 11:58 AM
No, I am English I did a bit of German as a schoolboy.

flamethrowerguy
09-23-2008, 03:24 PM
Lesson II:

aly j
09-23-2008, 06:52 PM
No problem, aly. I'll teach you. Today's lesson:
:mrgreen:

Thanx..................U know what German is silimlar too the english launguge.
Do u have any more.
Im actulally writing this down.

Major Walter Schmidt
09-23-2008, 11:29 PM
So, we started with poking sticks at a troll and ended with German lessons...
This is just great!

Chevan
09-24-2008, 01:10 AM
Thanx..................U know what German is silimlar too the english launguge.
.
Lucky Germans;)
I've broke my mind trying to deeper learn the alien English.

pdf27
09-24-2008, 01:39 AM
Lucky Germans;)
I've broke my mind trying to deeper learn the alien English.

A rough translation would be "Thankyou. Did you know that German is similar to the English language?".

Chevan
09-24-2008, 02:59 AM
A rough translation would be "Thankyou. Did you know that German is similar to the English language?".
buddy , i 'm not that much stupid;)
I meant in general sense, the German and English has a common ancient roots , so it's more easy for germans to study the english.

flamethrowerguy
09-24-2008, 04:37 AM
Thanx..................U know what German is silimlar too the english launguge.
Do u have any more.
Im actulally writing this down.

Aly, these "lessons" were actually from the daily newspaper of the US armed forces in the ETO, "The Stars and Stripes", supposed to teach helpful phrases to the troops.
The german translations were in the upper left corner of the front page. In the upper right corner there had been a french translation box called "Ici on parle francais" teaching less war related stuff like "Where do you live?" or "May I see you again tomorrow?".

And yes, the central-, southern- and western european languages are related to another, all latin-based IIRC.
And, Chevan, german and russian languages are growing together as well. I just learned that the word "butterbrot" belongs to the common russian vocabulary by now.:D

Chevan
09-24-2008, 05:10 AM
And, Chevan, german and russian languages are growing together as well. I just learned that the word "butterbrot" belongs to the common russian vocabulary by now.:D

..... especialy if keep in mind that the Butter&Bread ( "brot" in russian pronounce) has PURE foreign roots that has come to russia from British Impire;)

herman2
09-24-2008, 09:33 AM
Thanx..................U know what German is silimlar too the english launguge.
Do u have any more.
Im actulally writing this down.

Duddette, German lessons for today:

ask a German what Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name could be translated into...I mean the color for black is similar...it's Swartz(spelling could be off but simlar pronounciation)... and negger...welll it speaks for itself......(if your German)....
In the olden days, calling someone a Polak a person from Poland...it was the worse thing to be called (so my dad claims)

A sweinhunt is a pig dog....apparently Germans use this name a lot when calling someone they think is a real ****...they call him a sweinhunt

An Aushluch (spelling?) means an a-hole

When you agree with what a German says you say Das Stimt!
When a German see's duddette he say's Guuten tag Hepsha Machen! :)

aly j
09-24-2008, 10:02 AM
Duddette, German lessons for today:

ask a German what Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name could be translated into...I mean the color for black is similar...it's Swartz(spelling could be off but simlar pronounciation)... and negger...welll it speaks for itself......(if your German)....
In the olden days, calling someone a Polak a person from Poland...it was the worse thing to be called (so my dad claims)

A sweinhunt is a pig dog....apparently Germans use this name a lot when calling someone they think is a real ****...they call him a sweinhunt

An Aushluch (spelling?) means an a-hole

When you agree with what a German says you say Das Stimt!
When a German see's duddette he say's Guuten tag Hepsha Machen! :)
Thanx Herman2 for information......I see you got german blood:)

aly j
09-24-2008, 10:11 AM
So, we started with poking sticks at a troll and ended with German lessons...
This is just great!

Whos the troll.....I want to join in and pick on them aswell;)
Youre welcome too join in with the german lessons.

aly j
09-24-2008, 10:15 AM
Lucky Germans;)
I've broke my mind trying to deeper learn the alien English.

Its harder for you Russians too learn English cause youre language is totally different too English, While the german language resembles english.

aly j
09-24-2008, 10:19 AM
No, I am English I did a bit of German as a schoolboy.

Oh i thought you were German living in England:cool:

Rising Sun*
09-24-2008, 10:20 AM
Sind sie ernst?

aly j
09-24-2008, 11:13 AM
Sind sie ernst?
R u German too?:shock:

Rising Sun*
09-24-2008, 11:50 AM
r u german too?:shock:

Είμαι άτομο

aly j
09-24-2008, 12:05 PM
Είμαι άτομο

By the pic that you got up there................U should change youre name.

pdf27
09-24-2008, 12:19 PM
In the upper right corner there had been a french translation box called "Ici on parle francais" teaching less war related stuff like "Where do you live?" or "May I see you again tomorrow?".
Clearly an official publication - if it was aimed at the true target market it would be limited to phrases like "get your coat love, you've pulled!"

flamethrowerguy
09-24-2008, 12:36 PM
Clearly an official publication - if it was aimed at the true target market it would be limited to phrases like "get your coat love, you've pulled!"

Hey, this had been the 40's.....:oops:

Major Walter Schmidt
09-24-2008, 08:07 PM
Whos the troll.....I want to join in and pick on them aswell;)
Youre welcome too join in with the german lessons.

the troll is Stevey 14/88.

aly j
09-25-2008, 12:29 AM
the troll is Stevey 14/88.

Cool:cool:,I thought my name was going too pop up there.
Im going too keep out of harms way:rolleyes:

flamethrowerguy
09-28-2008, 09:53 AM
Lesson 3:

aly j
09-28-2008, 09:59 AM
Lesson 3:

I think im turning German:D

D502
09-28-2008, 12:56 PM
So, we started with poking sticks at a troll and ended with German lessons...
This is just great!

Hehe, and it's facetious.


ask a German what Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name could be translated into...

The name "Schwarzenegger" is from a village namend "Schwarzenegg".
Correct is what you wrote about "black" or "dark" and the rest:
"Egg" is an old word for "Bergrücken" (= "mountain ridge"). :)

Sag mal flamethrowerguy, kommst du aus dem Ruhrpott? :mrgreen:

Greetz, Melanie

flamethrowerguy
09-28-2008, 12:59 PM
Sag mal flamethrowerguy, kommst du aus dem Ruhrpott? :mrgreen:
Greetz, Melanie

Hi, Melanie!
Nein, nicht ganz. Weiter südlich, aus Aachen.

D502
09-28-2008, 01:42 PM
Hi, Melanie!
Nein, nicht ganz. Weiter südlich, aus Aachen.

Aw, it's just here, round the corner. Ich wohne in Essen. :)

Grüßle

flamethrowerguy
09-29-2008, 06:09 AM
Aw, it's just here, round the corner. Ich wohne in Essen. :)

Grüßle

Gruß nach Essen. I don't know too much about Essen ("Mit Essen spielt man nicht", sagte meine Mutter immer!), just Zeche Carl (music hall), the RWE football stadium and the prison in Krawehlstraße ("Krawallstraße").:)

herman2
09-29-2008, 12:58 PM
I don't know what your mother always said Flamethrower, but maybe you can help me, since your German...Do you remember Heintje?..I have an old record of him when I was a boy. I was wondering if you even heard of him? or what ever became of him?.....my favourite song was Kling Gletchen Kling-aLing-A-Ling..Kling Gletchen Kling....I miss my Heintje tunes......Meine Mutter bist tote so I can't ask her anymore........

flamethrowerguy
09-29-2008, 03:55 PM
I don't know what your mother always said Flamethrower, but maybe you can help me, since your German...Do you remember Heintje?..I have an old record of him when I was a boy. I was wondering if you even heard of him? or what ever became of him?.....my favourite song was Kling Gletchen Kling-aLing-A-Ling..Kling Gletchen Kling....I miss my Heintje tunes......Meine Mutter bist tote so I can't ask her anymore........

Where should I start? "Heintje" (civically: Hendrik Nikolaas Theodoor Simons) was a famous child celebrity singer in Germany. But -as you may read by his real name- he's actually dutch. His birthplace is about 10 miles away from my place, just across the dutch-german border.
The song you mentioned should be the popular christmas carol "Kling Glöckchen klingelingeling" which could be translated as "Ring, little bell, ringidingiding". Please check out this wonderful christmas medley by Heintje:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAlY4q3I3U
His carrer ended abruptly with his puberty vocal change. Today -aged 53- he still publishes CDs (german/dutch folk music) with minor success.

P.S. I am sorry about your mother.

herman2
09-30-2008, 08:59 AM
Thanks Flame Thrower..I really appreciate that info....thanks a lot

ptimms
09-30-2008, 12:52 PM
Flame,

What did yor Mother say about Essen, I can't quite get it. Something like, with Essen man says nothing ??

flamethrowerguy
09-30-2008, 01:04 PM
Flame,

What did yor Mother say about Essen, I can't quite get it. Something like, with Essen man says nothing ??

Tough to translate, Paul, it's a german play on words. "Essen" has three meanings actually: a) the town, b) "food" and c) it means "to eat".

So, when a mother says "Mit Essen spielt man nicht!" she means "Don't play with your food!". Used as a football fans slogan it means "Don't play with Essen!" (RW Essen, the resident football club).

Pooh, was that halfway understandable?

herman2
09-30-2008, 01:08 PM
Do any of you true Germans know an answer to my query?..A person from Hamburg greets another person and to see if he is from Hamburg he say's Hummel Hummel.....and the response is Morse Morse.......(my spelling may be off)...but my dad always said this and I don't know why...anyone?...anyone?.....

navyson
09-30-2008, 01:10 PM
Tough to translate, Paul, it's a german play on words. "Essen" has three meanings actually: a) the town, b) "food" and c) it means "to eat".

So, when a mother says "Mit Essen spielt man nicht!" she means "Don't play with your food!". Used as a football fans slogan it means "Don't play with Essen!" (RW Essen, the resident football club).

Pooh, was that halfway understandable?
Yes, that's now understandable, I heard that many times in English growing up. (about the food, not Essen:))

navyson
09-30-2008, 01:22 PM
Yes, that's now understandable, I heard that many times in English growing up. (about the food, not Essen:))
Or, Essen die gemuse. Correct?

D502
09-30-2008, 01:35 PM
:mrgreen: OMG The Fans of Rot Weiß Essen are all feeble minded and antisocial ;)

Hehe flamethrowerguy, *Zeche Carl rulez*
JVA Krawehlstraße weniger :mrgreen: :D

BTW:
The Name of the city Essen does not refer to the act of eating (also "essen" in German). ;)

herman2, I only know about the salutation "Moin Moin" in Hamburg resp. in the North.


Or, Essen die gemuse. Correct?
Oh yes, the sentence "Iss das Gemüse" is frequently used for childs :D

flamethrowerguy
09-30-2008, 01:58 PM
:mrgreen: OMG The Fans of Rot Weiß Essen are all feeble minded and antisocial ;)

That's why we always yelled that! But the fans of my club, Alemannia Aachen, are not a jot better.;)

P.S. I know the prison in Essen only due to professional reasons, not as an inmate.

navyson
09-30-2008, 02:04 PM
:mrgreen: OMG The Fans of Rot Weiß Essen are all feeble minded and antisocial ;)

Hehe flamethrowerguy, *Zeche Carl rulez*
JVA Krawehlstraße weniger :mrgreen: :D

BTW:
The Name of the city Essen does not refer to the act of eating (also "essen" in German). ;)

herman2, I only know about the salutation "Moin Moin" in Hamburg resp. in the North.


Oh yes, the sentence "Iss das Gemüse" is frequently used for childs :D
This is confusing like English. When essen die gemuse can also be iss das gemuse. Wha..........? And what is english for the above Rot Weib(?)Essen

ptimms
09-30-2008, 02:04 PM
I thought it was a play on words with the place name and essen to eat. I just couldn't quite see it.
Who says the Germans have no sense of humour ??!!

For us followers of the mighty Oxford, the supporters of Swindon are the butt of our jokes, but with all the inbreeding they are to slow to get them.

D502
09-30-2008, 02:51 PM
This is confusing like English. When essen die gemuse can also be iss das gemuse. Wha..........? And what is english for the above Rot Weib(?)Essen

German grammar is curious ;)

Present: I eat, you eat, He/She/It eats, we eat... means in German:
Präsens Indikativ: Ich esse, du isst, er/sie/es isst, wir essen

I ate = ich aß (***), you ate = du aßest :-?

And "Rot" means "red", "Weiß" (Weiss) means "white"
The colors of the team....

flamethrowerguy
09-30-2008, 03:00 PM
Who says the Germans have no sense of humour ??!!

Conservative german human does stink. Fortunately my generation grew up with Monty Python, Benny Hill and Black Adder respectively movies of "The Zucker Brothers".


And what is english for the above Rot Weib(?)Essen
It's not a "b" but an "ß". It's the so-called sharp "s" which only exists in german language, so don't try to find it on your keyboard.:mrgreen:

"Rot Weib Essen" doesn't sound bad either!

navyson
09-30-2008, 03:00 PM
German grammar is curious ;)

Present: I eat, you eat, He/She/It eats, we eat... means in German:
Präsens Indikativ: Ich esse, du isst, er/sie/es isst, wir essen

I ate = ich aß (***), you ate = du aßest :-?

And "Rot" means "red", "Weiß" (Weiss) means "white"
The colors of the team....
Thanks d502......I think!;) Or, may I call you Melanie also? I was confused about Weib since I don't have the key for that on my keyboard. B = (ss):)

D502
09-30-2008, 03:08 PM
Call me Melanie ;)


"Rot Weib Essen" doesn't sound bad either!

LOL, "rot" means "Fäulnis" :mrgreen:
Lauter verfaulte Weiber hier in Essen :mrgreen:

Edit:
An example for "ß" is "Rudolf Heß"

navyson
09-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Conservative german human does stink. Fortunately my generation grew up with Monty Python, Benny Hill and Black Adder respectively movies of "The Zucker Brothers".


It's not a "b" but an "ß". It's the so-called sharp "s" which only exists in german language, so don't try to find it on your keyboard.:mrgreen:

"Rot Weib Essen" doesn't sound bad either!
I never watched Monty Python growing up. I've watched some as an adult. Now Benny Hill, my dad would let me stay up and watch the show when I was young (if my mother only knew:rolleyes:), that show was pretty rough for a youngster (at that time anyway, nowadays it's tame).

Yeah, I've already pulled all the old keyboards out of the closet looking for one with "B":D

navyson
09-30-2008, 03:23 PM
Call me Melanie ;)



LOL, "rot" means "Fäulnis" :mrgreen:
Lauter verfaulte Weiber hier in Essen :mrgreen:

Edit:
An example for "ß" is "Rudolf Heß"
So, in the German language, are two s's always "B" as in s sharp?

herman2
09-30-2008, 03:26 PM
Hey Nason, something to remember....a Human can Essen but an animal can not..the Germans use a different name called Frist....unlike english where the word eat can be used for animal or human..strange but little things I remember when I learnt German....If you get a chane go on You tube and check out old Henitje tunes..They are really cool!..I still love them...check out my favourite called...

Mama, Du wirst doch nicht um deinen Jungen weinen. Mama, Bald wird das wieder uns vereinen Ich werd es nie vergessen, ...

..for me, it's a sad song about a boys admiration for his mother...check it out!:D
HEINTJE RULES!!!

navyson
09-30-2008, 03:35 PM
Hi Herman! Yeah, I watched part of the link Flame attached. Some sounded good, but was all German to me!:D
I'll have to go back and try to listen to the whole thing.

D502
09-30-2008, 05:10 PM
So, in the German language, are two s's always "B" as in s sharp?

No, it is used both :mrgreen:

After short vowels = "ss"
After long vowels = "ß"
After diphthong = "ß"

HEINTJE RULES? herman, You must be joking! :D
If you like German music, try Wolfsheim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUC32-0WuY) ;)

navyson
09-30-2008, 05:13 PM
No, it is used both :mrgreen:

After short vowels = "ss"
After long vowels = "ß"
After diphthong = "ß"

HEINTJE RULES? herman, You must be joking! :D
If you like German music, try Wolfsheim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUC32-0WuY) ;)
IEEEEEEEEEEE...........!:p

flamethrowerguy
09-30-2008, 05:26 PM
IEEEEEEEEEEE...........!:p

AGREEEEEED!:mrgreen:

Germans should play the music they do best.;)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_1wyWmBVM&feature=related

...and this ain't a nazi song, still sung by the Bundeswehr tank forces today!

navyson
09-30-2008, 05:37 PM
AGREEEEEED!:mrgreen:

Germans should play the music they do best.;)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_1wyWmBVM&feature=related

...and this ain't a nazi song, still sung by the Bundeswehr tank forces today!
Sorry, I was meaning linguistics.
As for Wolfshiem, at least they sing some songs in English, it was kind of decent.

Panzerlied is a cool song........I like the lyrics. Is that from "Battle of the Bulge"? (the video).

flamethrowerguy
09-30-2008, 05:46 PM
As for Wolfshiem, at least they sing some songs in English, it was kind of decent.
I hate this twanging voice! (Sorry, Melanie...)


Panzerlied is a cool song........I like the lyrics. Is that from "Battle of the Bulge"? (the video).

Yes, it's classic!

D502
10-01-2008, 03:00 AM
I hate this twanging voice! (Sorry, Melanie...)


:mrgreen: You don't need to apologize, I thought that herman could take pleasure in, because of his marked preference for Heintje :D
I like this twanging voice :mrgreen: But actually Wolfsheim is a little bit softly ;)

herman2
10-01-2008, 09:16 AM
Thanks D502...will look iinto it...and Ya, I do think Heintje is cool...I mean it reminds me of my mother..there wholesome songs....
p.s. I use to be into Heino, but then I saw Brittney Spears and I converted to Pop!