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Moreheaddriller
08-07-2008, 10:55 AM
Now when it comes to jet fighters the Me 262 simply because it was one of the first but id like to know which one you fancy



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0e/Messerschmitt_Me_262A_at_the_National_Museum_of_th e_USAF.jpg/800px-Messerschmitt_Me_262A_at_the_National_Museum_of_th e_USAF.jpg

flamethrowerguy
08-07-2008, 12:17 PM
What else?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/5/5b/Me_262_ILA_2006_Flugvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg/800px-Me_262_ILA_2006_Flugvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg

pdf27
08-07-2008, 01:26 PM
Couple of favourites:
Hawker Hunter - absolutely beautiful and apparently a joy to fly.
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/hunter/full/fmt97420.jpg

English Electric Lightning - not enough fuel to do anything useful, but stunning performance (supercruise in 1954!) and the angriest looking aircraft ever to fly.
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/full/ht_capetown9.jpg

Churchill
08-07-2008, 01:35 PM
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Yuma2005/Flying/HarrierNearGround.jpg

The Harrier because it was the first mass produced VTOL jet ever.

Sergej
08-07-2008, 02:11 PM
I like this, one of the fastest fighter with highspeed about 3000km/h.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6200/mig25p2yl3.jpg
Look at the huge engines
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9696/mig25p4tm5.jpg

Churchill
08-07-2008, 02:25 PM
But what is it?

Sergej
08-07-2008, 02:28 PM
MiG-25P

pdf27
08-07-2008, 03:55 PM
I'm not all that big a fan of the MiG-25 myself - too much brute force and tool little elegance. Don't get me wrong, brute force is good, but elegance is better. The Lightning is a good example - a total brute force fighter, but with a good deal of design work put in (e.g. stacking the engines vertically to reduce frontal area) to make things more elegant.

Sergej
08-07-2008, 04:00 PM
If you like elegance, take a MiG-29OVT or Su-37 or 47, they are manoeuvreble as hell and look cool.

pdf27
08-07-2008, 04:37 PM
Elegance is a specific engineering term - meaning to use a clever idea instead of brute force. The original Su-27 and the Su-34 are elegant, the -37 and -47 are not.

Major Walter Schmidt
08-07-2008, 05:55 PM
I like the su27/34 as well. I also like the ho229.

flamethrowerguy
08-07-2008, 09:05 PM
From modern jets my favourites are:
F-15E Strike Eagle, it looks as elegant as it looks mean:
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/military/f15eagle/f_15_eagle_10.jpg

and

F-4 Phantom II, strictly classical
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/F-4_Phantom_II%2C_Davis-Monthan.JPG/800px-F-4_Phantom_II%2C_Davis-Monthan.JPG

mike M.
08-09-2008, 07:41 PM
F-86 Hands down..classic lines.

Nickdfresh
08-09-2008, 08:28 PM
I prefer the classic "C" version of the F-15C Eagle...

http://www.airtoaircombat.com/images/F15_large.jpg

PA.Dutchman
08-09-2008, 11:33 PM
We have the last ME 262 completely restored and flown Trainer in the world only an hour south of us. It is at a small museum on the edge of the Willow Grove Naval Air Station in Pennsylvania,USA.

I was able to get these photos of it the last time we visited.

It was completely disassembled and blue prints made to build 5 reproductions.

Then it was beautifully restored and flown. If you go to this site you can see the Restored ME 262 Trainer fly and one of the Reproductions.

Each sells for $ONE MILLION dollars each.


http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html

pdf27
08-10-2008, 01:00 AM
F-4 Phantom II, strictly classical
You actually like the looks of the Phantom? That's just wrong....

flamethrowerguy
08-10-2008, 12:04 PM
You actually like the looks of the Phantom? That's just wrong....

I do actually, it was THE state-of-the-art jet plane of my childhood and to us it's the way a jet fighter should like.

pdf27
08-10-2008, 12:18 PM
<shudders> Just because it's a fantastic performer does NOT mean you have to like what it looks like!

flamethrowerguy
08-10-2008, 12:38 PM
<shudders> Just because it's a fantastic performer does NOT mean you have to like what it looks like!

...says someone to come from a nation that designed the Harrier and the Vulcan;)

pdf27
08-10-2008, 05:25 PM
I make no apologies for the Harrier (and indeed the Supermarine Swift). The Vulcan isn't all that bad, although personally I much prefer the HP Victor.

flamethrowerguy
08-10-2008, 05:45 PM
Allright, I was a little unfair about the Vulcan and take it back but I add the de Havilland Sea Vixen. Even the name "Vixen" is terrible.

pdf27
08-11-2008, 05:51 AM
To be fair to them, they'd run out of "V" names they could use and "Vixen" was about the only one left. In design terms it isn't all that bad, but I agree it really is fugly.

Chevan
08-11-2008, 07:30 AM
I'm not all that big a fan of the MiG-25 myself - too much brute force and tool little elegance. Don't get me wrong, brute force is good, but elegance is better. The Lightning is a good example - a total brute force fighter, but with a good deal of design work put in (e.g. stacking the engines vertically to reduce frontal area) to make things more elegant.

The real Elegance is the Sr-71 BlackBird.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird.jpg/765px-Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird.jpg
Great hight-tech perfomance and aerodinamic elegance
Greates trans-sonic airplain.
For the the best proportion of Elegance and Brutal force were the Mig-15 and Sabre - the best fighters of its time.

pdf27
08-11-2008, 09:03 AM
The SR-71 is very, very heavily optimised for a single operating point (Mach 3.0 cruise), and it shows. The engine intake cones, for instance, are designed to put the air going in through a long series of angled shock waves, which is almost the most efficient way of compressing it known (most aircraft only use one or two shock waves). Oh, and having seen one in the metal at Duxford a couple of years back I definately think it looks better in photos. Up close it looks very... handmade.

flamethrowerguy
08-11-2008, 12:13 PM
To be fair to them, they'd run out of "V" names they could use and "Vixen" was about the only one left. In design terms it isn't all that bad, but I agree it really is fugly.

...additionally I have to inform you that the word means in german "to jerk off" (different spelling, same pronunciation).

PA.Dutchman
08-14-2008, 12:21 PM
We visited Wright Patterson Airfield National Air Museum in Ohio.

They had a SR-71 for display and it is a site to behold for sure.

Moreheaddriller
08-14-2008, 01:14 PM
What else?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/5/5b/Me_262_ILA_2006_Flugvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg/800px-Me_262_ILA_2006_Flugvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg

Well there is this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Two_F-22A_Raptor_in_column_flight_-_%28Noise_reduced%29.jpg/750px-Two_F-22A_Raptor_in_column_flight_-_%28Noise_reduced%29.jpg

pdf27
08-14-2008, 01:26 PM
I'm sure the USAF has rules against that sort of thing!

flamethrowerguy
08-14-2008, 01:27 PM
Well there is this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Two_F-22A_Raptor_in_column_flight_-_%28Noise_reduced%29.jpg/750px-Two_F-22A_Raptor_in_column_flight_-_%28Noise_reduced%29.jpg

That's not a fair competition! (-:

Moreheaddriller
08-14-2008, 01:29 PM
thats considering if the the f22 pilot is a 3 year old

Nickdfresh
08-14-2008, 11:27 PM
<shudders> Just because it's a fantastic performer does NOT mean you have to like what it looks like!


Oh come on! The Phantom is not a natural, symmetrical beauty I agree; but it does have a rugged and aggressive look that is distinctive and fetching in its own right!

SS Ouche-Vittes
08-15-2008, 12:05 AM
I love the phantom. It's so pretty!

Adrian Wainer
09-29-2008, 07:42 PM
Chance Vought Cutlass

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/post_war/f7u/f7u3.jpg

1950s Sci Fi looks

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 03:48 AM
Chance Vought Cutlass

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/post_war/f7u/f7u3.jpg

1950s Sci Fi looks

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Considering the Cutlass is a severely bastardised Lippisch/Arado design schema, powered by two of the very weakest and shittiest jet engines ever known to take to the skies, I fail utterly to see where you're coming from, here.
Had the Cutlass been given decent engines, my view would differ.

However, according to the poor bastards who actually flew the thing, it was a bastard in the air, and almost universally disliked by those who had suffered its' vagaries.

Regards, Uyraell.

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 03:54 AM
Oh come on! The Phantom is not a natural, symmetrical beauty I agree; but it does have a rugged and aggressive look that is distinctive and fetching in its own right!

I agree the Phantom classes as "functional beauty" rather than aesthetic beauty. In my view, the UK models are actually better looking, despite that the US models were better in performance terms.

Regards, Uyraell.

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 04:03 AM
I make no apologies for the Harrier (and indeed the Supermarine Swift). The Vulcan isn't all that bad, although personally I much prefer the HP Victor.

Harrier, yes. Swift, stylish, but not a favourite of mine.

My likes are, in rough order:

Me.262

F86 (same thing, really)

Gotha 229

Lippisch P13 -> XF 92, F102, F106.

Hawker Hunter

Fairey FD2

DH108

SR53/SR177

Bristol 188

Sud Ouest Trident

Phantom II

A5 Vigilante.

A3D Skyray

F111 Aardvark/ EF111 Raven.

Folland Gnat.

BAC Lighting.

TSR2.

Harrier.

SR71 Family.

After that, it gets a bit complicated, so, those will do for now.

(Sidelight: has any one ever considered what an aircraft design originating from a combination of Lippisch/Tank/Multhopp would have been like?)

Regards, Uyraell.

kamehouse
02-13-2009, 05:25 AM
Working with BAE systems I can only say the Eurofighter Typhoon:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/kamehouse-uk/AIR_Eurofighter_lg.jpg
But I loved the Phantom when I was a teenager.The tail and the nose looked like it was coming out of a sci-fi movie.

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 10:08 AM
Working with BAE systems I can only say the Eurofighter Typhoon:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/kamehouse-uk/AIR_Eurofighter_lg.jpg
But I loved the Phantom when I was a teenager.The tail and the nose looked like it was coming out of a sci-fi movie.

While the EuroTyphoon is admirable, I've sought long and hard to really distinguish it, or its' Rafale cousin, from the Saab Grippen family.

(I've always had the sneaking suspicion the Europeans merely copied the good points of the F16XL and re-shaped it a little, then jammed the F18 engines into the frame, so-to-speak.)

Yes, `tis an admirable and capable weapons platform/fightercraft. I'm just not certain what makes it outstanding, as such.

Regards, Uyraell.

leccy
02-16-2009, 04:37 PM
The Gloster Javelin

http://www.btinternet.com/~javelin/p06_picture_galleries/p062_javelins_in_service_2/al2023.htm

http://www.btinternet.com/~javelin/p06_picture_galleries/p064_wallpaper/javleaf2.htm

http://www.btinternet.com/~javelin/p06_picture_galleries/p063_xa699/xa699_22.htm

pdf27
02-16-2009, 05:05 PM
The Gloster Javelin
Wash your mouth out with soap and water! That was a horrible, horrible aircraft - the only one I've ever heard of where engaging afterburner produced reduced rather than increased thrust.

Good site on it here though: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/javelin/index.php

Uyraell
02-17-2009, 03:42 AM
Wash your mouth out with soap and water! That was a horrible, horrible aircraft - the only one I've ever heard of where engaging afterburner produced reduced rather than increased thrust.

Good site on it here though: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/javelin/index.php

I couldn't agree more, pdf27: the Gloster Javelin was a horror. This from the nephew of a teacher of mine who flew the thing.

Regards, Uyraell.

tankgeezer
02-17-2009, 03:37 PM
I've always preferred Red Ball Jets M'self,,

gumalangi
03-09-2009, 10:17 AM
I like tomcats,. look like a muscle fighter :D

kiwimac
03-11-2009, 03:58 AM
The F4 Phantom is proof that with enough power even a brick will fly. A deadstick landing in one of those was referred to as a 'crash.'

Jets I like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/kiwimac/Aircraft/aero11.jpg He 280

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/kiwimac/Aircraft/he280_2.jpgAnd again.

The HE-280 flew in 1941 and was more manoeuvrable an aircraft, in a dogfight no less, than the FW-190. Had this aircraft gone into production WW2 could have been very different.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/kiwimac/Aircraft/he162.jpg HE 162

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/kiwimac/Aircraft/he1627.jpgAnd again.

Given how quickly the aircraft was designed and put into production it was a wonder it did not have serious flaws but, while it took a skilled pilot to fly, by all accounts it was a nice aircraft.

Finally the AR-234

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/kiwimac/Aircraft/ar23444.jpg