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Kampfgruppe Cottrell
05-31-2008, 07:16 PM
I've read that in the Pacific the Marines fitted tanks with a phone to it's rear so that accompanying infantry could talk to the crew who were almost always buttoned due to Jap infantry assault. Does anyone have any pics of what these phones looked like and where they where on the vehicle? I can't seem to find any good pics of this kind of field upgrade.

Brian

HAWKEYE
05-31-2008, 08:03 PM
I've seen them in Sands Of Iwo Jima and Halls of Montezuma....check them out.

pdf27
06-01-2008, 02:48 PM
They're pretty common nowadays - I know for certain the Australian Abrams tanks they're just getting have been modified to get them, and I'm pretty sure the British and US tanks in Iraq have them at the moment.
As for placement, it tends to be behind the tank, usually behind one track or another - lets the person on it see forward but allows them to remain mostly in cover at the same time.

Nickdfresh
06-01-2008, 03:46 PM
They're pretty common nowadays - I know for certain the Australian Abrams tanks they're just getting have been modified to get them, and I'm pretty sure the British and US tanks in Iraq have them at the moment.
As for placement, it tends to be behind the tank, usually behind one track or another - lets the person on it see forward but allows them to remain mostly in cover at the same time.


I think there is some complaint about the Abrams in relation to infantry support. The exhaust from the turbine engine is so hot it's kind of difficult to stand directly behind. I think they might have since modified it with a directional port though...

overlord644
06-01-2008, 07:03 PM
i know they were used in the US 4th ID after D-Day i would assume other divisions had them as well

Kimura
06-02-2008, 06:26 AM
In the army I serve with that tank shown in the pic. the left bin of the 2 attached on the rear is a telephone with direct access to the tanks intercom. I guess its a holdowver of the 60's tank doctrin as mentioned in a post above.
http://data.primeportal.net/apc/jussen/pz61/PZ-61%20(MJU)-06.jpg

Churchill
06-02-2008, 03:10 PM
Nice example, and from this point of view, it looks like the tree in the background is coming out of the top hatch of the turret.

Carl Schwamberger
06-05-2008, 11:04 PM
Its less of a holdover. In Iraq US soldiers found it would have been a usefll tool. Radios are not always available or as reliable for communicating with the tank crew.

Rising Sun*
06-06-2008, 12:50 AM
Its less of a holdover. In Iraq US soldiers found it would have been a usefll tool. Radios are not always available or as reliable for communicating with the tank crew.

Radios can also suffer from other transmissions if they're on a net. Phone to tank is one to one.

colonel hogan
01-08-2009, 06:28 PM
ive seen them it was a standard field phone wired into the radio system of the tank crew. marines primarily used it. they would walk up and the tankers would get instructions and blast the japanese

gojulas
01-31-2009, 11:06 AM
Here are some pictures

gojulas
01-31-2009, 11:26 AM
Just to add the phone box pics are from Squadron Signal ( Walk Around M4 Sherman )

Nickdfresh
01-31-2009, 03:59 PM
Its less of a holdover. In Iraq US soldiers found it would have been a usefll tool. Radios are not always available or as reliable for communicating with the tank crew.

I've heard they've also found it sucks standing or taking cover behind a tank that uses a jet-turbine for an engine and spews molten exhaust...

pdf27
02-23-2009, 01:42 PM
He was banned for trolling, and in his particular case we aren't going to be seeing him again.

herman2
02-23-2009, 02:28 PM
why was colonel hogan banned? can you return from a ban?

But what if, WE want to request him back? Is there not an Amnesty process he could apply for? Is he on a lifelong Ban? If there are 2 of us that want him unbanned, do we have any say? What if there were 3 or 4 of us? hmm? hmm?

pdf27
02-23-2009, 03:04 PM
No, because he was clearly setting out to cause trouble, rather than being just stupid/immature. He was given an awful lot of chances, and clearly decided to ignore them all.

herman2
02-23-2009, 03:16 PM
ok, ok, I was just wondering. I saw that other members were wondering so I decided to enquire. I now understand that you weren't just being mean, but rather protecting us from the rash of trouble that he was causing. Thank You for always looking after us PDF. I understand now.

pdf27
02-23-2009, 03:22 PM
I wasn't the only one - indeed I just warned him twice. Flamethrowerguy and Nickdfresh were the two mods who (independently) banned him.
The final straw was when he posted a poll saying:

i believe that the modorators are rud and that new ones should be appointed
in response to a warning for inappropriate behaviour.
(poll that's from is here (http://ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?p=149262) by the way)

flamethrowerguy
02-23-2009, 07:09 PM
why was colonel hogan banned? can you return from a ban?

Strange thing you're asking...coming from the same region as the late colonel.;)

Nickdfresh
02-23-2009, 09:04 PM
"colonel hogan" cannot return from a ban. I could care less if someone wants a second chance with a new user-ID. But continued annoyance and trolling will result in other measures...

herman2
02-24-2009, 07:58 AM
Strange thing you're asking...coming from the same region as the late colonel.;)

What you mean Late?.... You guys didn't snuff him out did you!...You said he was merely banned.
Snuffing someone out goes beyond what punishment someone should get:(

flamethrowerguy
02-24-2009, 09:04 AM
What you mean Late?.... You guys didn't snuff him out did you!...You said he was merely banned.
Snuffing someone out goes beyond what punishment someone should get:(

"Late" in a virtual way. Just like that temporary virtual coma you've been in, remember?;)

peopleselbow
03-05-2009, 02:33 PM
why would tanks have field phones fitted to them

herman2
03-05-2009, 02:38 PM
why would tanks have field phones fitted to them

Why not? maybe so the tanks can talk to other tanks?

jcompton
03-05-2009, 03:26 PM
Why not? maybe so the tanks can talk to other tanks?

Herman you are quite an amusing fellow aren't you...

Richie B
03-05-2009, 06:49 PM
why would tanks have field phones fitted to them

So that infantry outside could talk to the tank crew

tankgeezer
03-05-2009, 11:05 PM
The M-60 sries was equipped with external commo, it was located above the right rear fender, just aft of the small sponson box. these were needed if anyone wanted to talk to the crew, as the engine noise prohibits talking from the ground even if the hatches are open. The primary purpose was to allow the infantry to communicate their fire support needs, and to alert the crew to whatever types of hazards may be present. (Trading food, booze, cigarettes etc. was also a common use.) the external phone was integral to the vehicle commo system,even through the radio. External phones have been pretty much standard equipment on tanks since WW2 although I havnt seen one myself, there should be one on the Abrams. Very handy things they are.
I have heard that on a contract of tanks sold to Scotland, the external phone has a coin slot, 20p per call. :)

2nd of foot
04-09-2009, 06:36 PM
It is only in the last 5 years that infantry soldier have had radio below the section commander. And before that the frequencies range of infantry sets was not compatible with tanks sets. So a good means of communicating was needed.

The tank phone was so that the infantry man could direct tank fire onto a target. This could be used by any infantry man not just commanders. It was also very advisable to make sure that the tank commander knew you were running around behind the tank. :oops: By using the phone you also knew which tank you were talking to.:D

Do not confuse tank phones with field phone attachments on the side of turrets they are not the same.

http://www.mark.clubaustin.co.uk/chief.jpg

This shows a field phone attachment (the cable drum) on the side of the turret. The tank phone is the square box on the back.

http://www.intlrepo-depo.com/Vehicles%20for%20Sale/Chieftain%20Battle%20Tank/ChiefRear.jpg

A better view.

http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/Images/leo19ph_1.jpg

The round box on the back of a leo

http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Walkaround/Cent1/Infantry%20telephone%20box.JPG

And one from a cent.

leccy
04-10-2009, 03:40 AM
The cable drum on the rear of the turret of the cheify was just a cable drum (D10 cable) this was used when tanks were harboured up for communication between vehicles/sentry posts either through field phones (run separately) or connected to the tanks intercom system via a remote handset.

The remote handset was also used when in defensive positions so that the local infantry in a trench/spotters/etc can give orders/information to the crew without being stood next to a great big bullet attractor (dug in, hull down type defense in depth)

In certain circumstances it was used to allow external access to the radios on the vehicle or for placing some types of radio outside the vehicle and allowing them to be operated from inside the vehicle

Carl Schwamberger
04-19-2009, 07:05 PM
Last year I was reading a description of using tanks in Iraqi cities, written by a USMC Captain. He wrote that when the tanks lacked the phone it made it a lot tougher to control the tanks. For that and other reasons he & the other company commanders learned that givng the tank commander a 'Nine Line Brief' was the best way to communicate the attack order to the tank. The Nine Line Brief is the standard format used to inform a pilot of the crtical information when setting up a Close Air Support strike. The format is usefull for getting the info across quickly and through all the usual problems of radio messages.

The Captain decribed how with only two tanks available to support the infantry battalion both were kept on "stanby" near the bn. CP. When needed they bn. HQ would dispatch them to the company. Using the Nine Line Brief proved just as effective for orienting a tank commander via radio as a aircraft pilot as he approached the companys battle area.