Next US President!

[Rising Sun*]

OBAMA-BIDEN: FIRST TIME IN 68 YEARS A TICKET WITH NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
At a time of war, the Democrats give us something the nation hasn't seen in more than two generations: a ticket where neither of the the running mates ever wore a uniform of any kind.

I can't feature these 2 in the military let alone a POW camp. they'd squeal like a pig



source (http://townhall.com/blog/g/11acdf10-67e7-4148-90fe-d9bc28d7dc0c)

Dan Quayle served in the military? Yeah, right, with preferential treatment to keep his precious arse out of Vietnam.

Not unlike Dubya.

Reagan? Spent WWII in motion picture and war bond units. Great training for international military strategy as Commander in Chief. :rolleyes:

Nixon? Supply officer. At least he went overseas during hostilities and took his chances, which is more than Quayle, Dubya and Reagan did.

Agnew did more than the lot of them, in Europe, but is remembered better than anyone except Nixon as a crook.

So, on that selection, it seems that real military service in a shooting war (Agnew and, to a lesser extent, Nixon) results in the only resignations of a VP and President under threat of impeachment while draft and service dodgers and militarily unfit men went on to become Presidents and VP's who served their terms, and are held by Republicans to be great presidents. :confused:

If Obama gets in, Republicans should be happy. It's usually those with no real military service who are most willing to engage in military adventures, as the current incumbent had demonstrated, albeit with less than resounding success.

I don't understand the reference to presidents being POW's. Which American President was a POW? Only Nixon and Kennedy were at risk of being POW's. Nixon was too far back, while Kennedy stuffed up in losing PT 109 and quite probably should have been charged for it rather than being made a hero.

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So, on that selection, it seems that real military service in a shooting war (Agnew and, to a lesser extent, Nixon) results in the only resignations of a VP and President under threat of impeachment while draft and service dodgers and militarily unfit men went on to become Presidents and VP's who served their terms, and are held by Republicans to be great presidents. :confused:
You can stretch an analogy too far with that one - Teddy Roosevelt is IIRC something of a Republican saint and was very definately an ex-soldier.

I don't understand the reference to presidents being POW's. Which American President was a POW? Only Nixon and Kennedy were at risk of being POW's. Nixon was too far back, while Kennedy stuffed up in losing PT 109 and quite probably should have been charged for it rather than being made a hero.
I think they're just envious of Churchill ;)

[mike M.]

I'm NOT voting for Barack Hussein Obama because he's too liberal, He wants to redistribute wealth by raising income taxes and raising the capital gains taxes. Another reason is Obama and his wife have clearly been influenced by the hate spewed from the numnut Rev. Wright's speaches against Americans.
Oh yea..Obama sees nothing wrong with taking firearms away from law abiding, tax paying citizens. Now aint that a hoot?

If someone wants to pay more taxes there is nothing stopping them from donating money from their paychecks every other week, Do we have any takers here on this forum that want to pay MORE in taxes??? As it is I pay enough already.

[Firefly]

OBAMA-BIDEN: FIRST TIME IN 68 YEARS A TICKET WITH NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
At a time of war, the Democrats give us something the nation hasn't seen in more than two generations: a ticket where neither of the the running mates ever wore a uniform of any kind.

I can't feature these 2 in the military let alone a POW camp. they'd squeal like a pig



source (http://townhall.com/blog/g/11acdf10-67e7-4148-90fe-d9bc28d7dc0c)

Surely Mr Bush didnt serve in the military? Im not sure its important to have your leader serve in the military. There are plenty of decent countries in the world that are so.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the US is a wee bit too militaristic at times.

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Surely Mr Bush didnt serve in the military?
He was in the Texas Air National Guard, flying F-102s.

Im not sure its important to have your leader serve in the military.
To be fair, the US President is far closer in role to HMTQ than to the PM - and as you can perhaps imagine if none of the royal family were in the military things would be rather odd - a lot of "R" prefixes would suddenly become rather irrelevant for starters.

[Keystone Two-Eight]

Well, it's nice that you think of me so much. But it's a little creepy actually...

Not as creepy as that picture! Somebody photshopped the hell out of it.

[mike M.]

Not as creepy as that picture! Somebody photshopped the hell out of it.

It is a little spooky isnt it???

[Nickdfresh]

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...while Kennedy stuffed up in losing PT 109 and quite probably should have been charged for it rather than being made a hero.

I think I should post the actual narrative of the botched attack. The whole thing was a complete cluster fuck, and blaming Kennedy for the loss is like blaming Custer's scout for Little Bighorn...It should also be said that Kennedy would later distinguish himself by helping to develop tactics that transformed the PTs from a role in which they were completely ineffectual (as motor torpedo boats firing wholly unreliable torpedoes) to "barge busters" in which he endured vicious, close quarters combat closer to 18th and 19th century naval battle than to the carrier battles of WWII...

[Nickdfresh]

I'm NOT voting for Barack Hussein Obama because he's too liberal, He wants to redistribute wealth by raising income taxes and raising the capital gains taxes. Another reason is Obama and his wife have clearly been influenced by the hate spewed from the numnut Rev. Wright's speaches against Americans.
Oh yea..Obama sees nothing wrong with taking firearms away from law abiding, tax paying citizens. Now aint that a hoot?

If someone wants to pay more taxes there is nothing stopping them from donating money from their paychecks every other week, Do we have any takers here on this forum that want to pay MORE in taxes??? As it is I pay enough already.


Um, I think he voted to lower taxes on the middle classes and will continue to keep taxes off the middle classes...

And Obama's plan would return the rates on Capital Gains taxes to what they were during the REAGAN ADMINISTRATION!

[Rising Sun*]

I think I should post the actual narrative of the botched attack.

If you can post it without too much trouble, or give me a link, I'd be interested.

[tankgeezer]

I think that in choosing Biden, Obie has shut himself out of serious contention.Should he win, the world may get to watch a second American Civil War.

[Rising Sun*]

I think that in choosing Biden, Obie has shut himself out of serious contention.Should he win, the world may get to watch a second American Civil War.

I don't know anything about Biden except what's been in the press here lately, which is all unremarkable stuff. Why would he provoke serious internal conflict in the US? (I mean, more serious than the normal hostility between Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals. :D)

[Nickdfresh]

If you can post it without too much trouble, or give me a link, I'd be interested.

I've been meaning to start something out of the acclaimed bio of JFK "An Unfinished Life." In a nutshell, there were 30 PT Boats in the attack, half had radar, fired their torpedoes at signatures and then fled leaving the other boats like Kennedy's (without radar) to troll for a target which was what he was trying to do when rammed...

[namvet]

Feds Investigate Possible Obama Assassination Plot in Denver

Three men arrested in Aurora, Colo., on methamphetamine and firearms charges may have been plotting to assassinate Barack Obama, FBI authorities told FOX News late Monday, although local officials are still pondering the intent of the suspects.


source (source)

they also caugh somet guy bringing weapons into Pelosi's Hotel
link (link)

[namvet]

Biden was chosen for his foreign policy experience. which proves Osama has none. he eats gun powder for breakfast then goes around shooting his mouth off all day. and he has been called out for it. I think he's 65. a "pandering old man". :rolleyes:
McCain wasted no time showing the rift between these 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN8jv69EW6I

and the dems have their doubts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Re0Z5xOC6w&feature=related

Hillary supporters are now backing McCain. at least they know what the phrase "national security" really means.

[herman2]

Osama is the Man!

[tankgeezer]

I don't know anything about Biden except what's been in the press here lately, which is all unremarkable stuff. Why would he provoke serious internal conflict in the US? (I mean, more serious than the normal hostility between Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals. :D)
Biden is a non player, has perhaps some experience in foreign policy, but not in effective policy. He is the very essence of a bland, lukewarm, party hack. Having no personal accomplishments of note, and no particular abilities in statecraft, he must wait to be carried along by others or would otherwise be left in the shadows, and forgotten by history.
The possibility of another civil war comes from the socialist leanings of Obie, and the secret he is keeping. (we dont know what it is, but he is hiding something that would certainly influence his chances in an election.) Many Americans feel he is a threat to the American way of life, and the freedom of our republic.
This in itself could lead to a civil war if Obie attempts to alter in any way the constitution, or "massage" the laws of the U.S. for his personal agenda.
there are many in the U.S. that are arming against this possibility.

[navyson]

Osama is the Man!
Uhhhhh...I hope you meant Obama! If it were Osama I think there would be many assassination attempts!:) As I saw on a bumper sticker, Nobama '08.

[herman2]

OOPS!..I meant OBAMA (sorry, must have eaten too many kit kats)

[mike M.]

Okay..we've all heard the news. McCain has named the new VP. Sarah Palin, i think she is perfect for the job and she's hot too!!! Check the link below if you dare..it puts Sarah up against obama...yup..she has more experience than Osama..good pick McCain and she's got great wheels too.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, but what is interesting is that the whole McCain camp claim of her as an anti-corruption crusader is being undermined by the fact that she herself has her own "troopergate" scandal and is being investigated by an ethics committee over it...

[namvet]

Biden? Show me anyone more entrenched as an DC insider and I’d be surprised. Have they for instance discussed Bidens familia?

Bidens son owns a hedge fund and is a lobbyist? ( so is Bidens brother) Hes been accused of fraud. They made hay over bidens son heading to Iraq, okay, mccains son has already served a hitch there and Palins son is on his way over too, but what about his other son, or his brother?


He son lobbied for a co. who received a 27 million dollar contact to work for the pentagon. He was paid 80K to lobby the congress by the Univ. of Scranton, yes that Scranton, “hometown” of Joe, for defense contracts and appropriations ....when we see this displayed with the alacrity we see cindys sister, mccains sexy lobbyist and palin is state trooper issues I’ll become a believer in repudiation.

[mike M.]

The Obama party is all about CHANGE... then why in hell would he pick an old retread douche bag like Biden?

[namvet]

The Obama party is all about CHANGE... then why in hell would he pick an old retread douche bag like Biden?

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8102/messagedisciplineut1.jpg

they are gonna have to put a zipper in his face. he's always shootin' his mouth off and gettin' into trouble. can you train a 65 year old to change his habits and be an Osama man ???? good luck

[Nickdfresh]

Biden? Show me anyone more entrenched as an DC insider and I’d be surprised. Have they for instance discussed Bidens familia?

So, you like Obama because he's not an "entrenched insider?"

Bidens son owns a hedge fund and is a lobbyist? ( so is Bidens brother) Hes been accused of fraud. They made hay over bidens son heading to Iraq, okay, mccains son has already served a hitch there and Palins son is on his way over too, but what about his other son, or his brother?

Um, McCain's entire campaign was run by lobbyists and he was having an AFFAIR with one!


He son lobbied for a co. who received a 27 million dollar contact to work for the pentagon. He was paid 80K to lobby the congress by the Univ. of Scranton, yes that Scranton, “hometown” of Joe, for defense contracts and appropriations ....when we see this displayed with the alacrity we see cindys sister, mccains sexy lobbyist and palin is state trooper issues I’ll become a believer in repudiation.

McCain's campaign manager was a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia!

[Nickdfresh]

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8102/messagedisciplineut1.jpg

they are gonna have to put a zipper in his face. he's always shootin' his mouth off and gettin' into trouble. can you train a 65 year old to change his habits and be an Osama man ???? good luck

Well, they've muzzled McCain, haven't they?

He won't even conduct off-the-cuff question and answer sessions with the unvetted anymore.

[namvet]

So, you like Obama because he's not an "entrenched insider?"



Um, McCain's entire campaign was run by lobbyists and he was having an AFFAIR with one!




McCain's campaign manager was a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia!

if you vote for McCain ill vote for Osama...........deal????? hahahaha

[Nickdfresh]

if you vote for McCain ill vote for Osama...........deal????? hahahaha

Yup! I voted for McCain in 2000 (in the GOP primary). ;)

See you at the polls. :)

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Um, McCain's entire campaign was run by lobbyists and he was having an AFFAIR with one!
The evidence for that particular accusation is distinctly thin.

[Nickdfresh]

The evidence for that particular accusation is distinctly thin.

Which one? The affair? It's thin because there was no "insider" (aka Linda Tripp) to "prove" it beyond a reasonable doubt. Nor is there an "independent council" investigating the accusations. But he spent an awful lot of time with her, and as several publications pointed out, if she were male, there actually would have been more questions as to what McCain was doing in the near constant presence of a companion lobbyist.

[Nickdfresh]

The Obama party is all about CHANGE... then why in hell would he pick an old retread douche bag like Biden?

Or if social conservatives are about morality, why would they hire a woman whose teenage daughter is pregnant? Initially tried to cover up the pregnancy as her own? and who is rumored to have taken one of her grandchildren as her fifth child?

And if McCain is all about ethics and public service, again, why did he hire someone he portrayed as a crusader when Gov. Palin used her position to fire Alaska's popular Public Safety commissioner simply because he refused to fire a state trooper that was married to her sister and in a very contentious divorce and custody battle?

[mike M.]

Or if social conservatives are about morality, why would they hire a woman whose teenage daughter is pregnant? Initially tried to cover up the pregnancy as her own? and who is rumored to have taken one of her grandchildren as her fifth child?


Now I know for a fact sarah must be a good choice because the Democrat nummies are gunning after her hard..they are scared.

lets see her daughter is pregnant...Hum..Thats gotta be a first, would you rather her kill the baby nick? Sarah's response was great! At least the child will know who it's father is, and it will be born, more than I can say for the left-wing idiot's who were "spawned."

Tried to cover it up?? Im sure you can prove it right?? Personally, I think it's none of my business. At least she's going to have the baby and get married. That's life, and that's her choice. It doesn't affect my opinion of Mr. or Mrs. Palin one bit. Atleast they know who the baby daddy is..

rumored to have taken one of her grandchildren as her fifth child.. Oh thats a good one, A FUCKIN RUMOR thats a good one.. her daughter must be "quick" at that! Let's see, two kids in 5 months? Oh wait, I forgot a democrat never caries to term so the time frame must make sense to them.

[Nickdfresh]

Now I know for a fact sarah must be a good choice because the Democrat nummies are gunning after her hard..they are scared.

You're fucking delusional with that statement. Seriously? you mean like the silly bullshit being spread around the net about Obama? Much of which you've respewed in this thread?

Like Corsi's book of garbage?

She's being eaten alive by bloggers because she is not only unqualified, but has has twenty years worth of Senatorial skeletons in her closet as well...If this were Chelsey Clinton, and Hillary were up, God knows what would be going on!

I think McCain's chances just ended today.

lets see her daughter is pregnant...Hum..Thats gotta be a first, would you rather her kill the baby nick?

Gee Mike, that's exactly the (false) choice I offered. Her daughter should either kill her baby, or offer it to mom (again) to pretend it's her sister, and not daughter...

Sarah's response was great! At least the child will know who it's father is, and it will be born, more than I can say for the left-wing idiot's who were "spawned."

To which pregnancy?

The evidence is that Palin had attempted to cover this by claiming that SHE was preggers!

Nice spin though!

Tried to cover it up?? Im sure you can prove it right?? Personally, I think it's none of my business. At least she's going to have the baby and get married. That's life, and that's her choice. It doesn't affect my opinion of Mr. or Mrs. Palin one bit. Atleast they know who the baby daddy is..

Good for you! Actually, Palin denied this until the last moment. Her daughter was pulled out of school months ago! LMFAO! Yeah, they know who the baby's daddy is! Spin, spin, spin...

rumored to have taken one of her grandchildren as her fifth child.. Oh thats a good one, A FUCKIN RUMOR thats a good one.. her daughter must be "quick" at that! Let's see, two kids in 5 months? Oh wait, I forgot a democrat never caries to term so the time frame must make sense to them.

Um, the kid isn't born yet! So, how would that be "two in five months?"

Oh, nice attack on all "Democrats" though. The typical blanket statements of hate and partisanship you offer here! Josef Goebbels would be proud! Only, Barack Obama's mother was a teenager, and a Democrat, when she carried him to term. Which is why he's telling the media to back off this story...

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/obama-back-palin-family/

But what did McCain respond to Corsi's book attacking Obama with some of the most putrid lies ever? Oh ho ho! It's just a joke!

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This is a WW2 forum, not a Democrat-Republican slagging match. Thread locked.