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Major Walter Schmidt
01-30-2008, 01:47 PM
1.Ju390
2.Spruce Goose
3.Nakajima G10N "projectZ"
4.Ta400

Major Walter Schmidt
01-30-2008, 01:49 PM
Big planes!

Firefly
01-30-2008, 05:53 PM
Er, were these planes actually active in ww2?

Id go for the Lancaster followed by a B-29....

32Bravo
01-31-2008, 11:47 AM
Not active but interesting:

http://www.newsregister.com/ss/goose/StaffCoverage/GanderAtGoose_091900.html

32Bravo
01-31-2008, 11:54 AM
The father of an Australian friend of mine was the pilot S-Sugar during WW2. Whenever he visits London, he makes his pilgrimage to Hendon. :)

http://www.aikensairplanes.com/corgi/c32601.htm

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QEkBu5lDfAo&mode=related&search=

George Eller
01-31-2008, 02:11 PM
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Hughes H-4 Hercules - "Spruce Goose"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_Goose

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/H-4_Hercules_2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/HughesH-4_DC-3_Comparison.JPG
Size comparison between Hughes H-4 Hercules and a Douglas DC-3 Dakota


The Hughes H-4 Hercules (registration NX37602) is a "one-off" heavy transport aircraft designed and built by the Hughes Aircraft company, making its first and only flight on 2 November 1947. Built from wood due to wartime raw material restrictions to the use of aluminium, it was nicknamed the "Spruce Goose" by its critics, some of whom accused Howard Hughes of misusing government funding to build the aircraft. The Hercules is the largest flying boat ever built, and has the largest wingspan and height of any aircraft in history. It survives in good condition at the Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinnville, Oregon.

http://www.sprucegoose.org/
http://www.aafo.com/goose/

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Blohm & Voss BV 238
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%2B_Voss_BV_238
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Blohm_und_voss_bv_238.jpg

The Blohm & Voss BV 238 was a flying boat used in World War II. It was the heaviest aircraft ever flown when it first flew in 1944, and physically was the largest aircraft produced by any of the Axis powers in World War II. The BV 238 V1 prototype first flew on March 11, 1944 after a first jump on March 10th, 1944. Six 1750 hp (1.287 MW) DB 603 V12 engines built by Daimler-Benz were used in total, arranged in three forward facing integrated engine nacelles in a row on each wing.

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Junkers Ju-390
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_390


The Junkers Ju 390 was a long-range derivative of the Junkers Ju 290 and was intended to be used as a heavy transport, maritime patrol aircraft, and bomber. It was a design selected for the abortive Amerika Bomber project.

http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_junkers_ju_390.html

http://www.luftwaffephotos.com/lju3901.htm
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW3/ju390-001.jpg
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW3/ju390-002.jpg

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Focke-Wulf Ta 400
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke_Wulf_Ta_400


The Focke-Wulf Ta 400 was a large six-engined bomber prototype developed in Germany in 1943 by Focke-Wulf as a serious contender to for the Amerika Bomber project. One of the first aircraft to be developed from components from multiple countries was also one of the most advanced Focke-Wulf design of World War II. Designed as a bomber and long range reconnaissance plane by Kurt Tank, the Ta 400 had a shoulder mounted wing with a 4 degree dihedral. One of the most striking features was the six BMW 801D radial engines and later two extra Jumo 004 jet engines.

http://luft46.com/fw/fwta400.html

http://luft46.com/fw/3bfta400.jpg
http://luft46.com/fw/ta400wt1.jpg

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Nakajima G10N "projectZ"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_G10N


The Nakajima G10N Fugaku (Japanese "Mount Fuji"), was a planned Japanese ultra-long range heavy bomber plane designed during World War II.

http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/g10.htm
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/str042.htm
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys179.jpg
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys079.jpg

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Victory Bomber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Bomber


The British "Victory Bomber" was a Second World War design by Barnes Wallis at Vickers-Armstrongs Aircraft for a bomber that could carry a single large earth quake bomb to targets in Germany.

The Victory bomber was proposed by aircraft designer Barnes Wallis to carry single large bombs that could cause massive destruction to strategic infrastructure targets in Germany. His reasoning was that by selectively destroying the German capacity to make armaments their war effort would be stopped. The design for the bomb came out at around ten long tons which was beyond the capacity of any current or in design Royal Air Force (RAF) bomber. Accordingly Wallis sketched out a bomber that would have to be built for the bomb.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/BrooklandsVictoryBomber.jpg/800px-BrooklandsVictoryBomber.jpg
Brooklands museum. The wind tunnel model of the Victory Bomber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Wallis
http://www.tgplanes.com/Public/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=639

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Douglas XB-19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_XB-19

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/XB-19_on_ground_%28cropped%29.jpg


The Douglas XB-19 was the largest bomber built for the United States Army Air Corps until 1946. It was originally given the designation XBLR-2 (XBLR- denoting Experimental Bomber, Long Range).

The purpose of the XB-19 project was to test the flight characteristics and design techniques associated with giant bombers. Douglas Aircraft Company strongly wanted to cancel the project, because it was extremely expensive. Despite advances in technology that made the XB-19 obsolete before it was even completed, the Army Air Corps felt that the prototype would be useful for testing. Its construction took so long that competition for the contracts to make the XB-35 and XB-36 occurred two months before its first flight.

The plane finally flew on June 27 1941, more than three years after the construction contract was awarded. In 1943, the original Wright R-3350 engines were replaced with Allison V-3420-11 V engines. After completion of testing, the XB-19 served as a cargo carrier until it was scrapped in 1949.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2489
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2490

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1449/douglasxb1901so5.jpg

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Convair B-36
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/B-29_and_B-36.jpg/797px-B-29_and_B-36.jpg
XB-36 prototype alongside the B-29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/XB-36_first_flight.jpg/763px-XB-36_first_flight.jpg
The XB-36 on its first flight.


The Convair B-36 (nicknamed the Peacemaker) was a strategic bomber built by Convair and operated solely by the United States Air Force (USAF). The B-36 was the largest mass-produced piston engined aircraft ever made and the largest combat aircraft ever built, although there have been larger military transports. The B-36 was the first thermonuclear weapon delivery vehicle. With a range of over 6,000 miles and a maximum payload of at least 72,000 lbs, the B-36 was the first operational bomber with an intercontinental range, setting the standard for subsequent USAF long range bombers, such as the B-52 Stratofortress and B-1 Lancer.

The genesis of the B-36 can be traced to early 1941, prior to the entry of the U.S. into World War II. At that time it appeared that there was a very real chance that Britain could fall, making a strategic bombing effort by the U.S. against Germany impossible. A new class of bomber would be needed to fill this role, one that offered trans-Atlantic range so that it could bomb targets in Europe from bases inside the continental USA. The United States Army Air Corps opened up a design competition for the very long-range bomber on 11 April 1941, asking for a 450 mph top speed, a 275 mph cruising speed, a service ceiling of 45,000 ft, and a maximum range of 12,000 miles at 25,000 ft. These proved too demanding for any short-term design, so on 19 August 1941 they were reduced to a maximum range of 10,000 miles, an effective combat radius of 4,000 miles with a 10,000 pound bombload, a cruising speed between 240 and 300 mph, and a service ceiling of 40,000 ft.

After the Cold War began in earnest with the 1948 Berlin airlift and the 1949 atmospheric test of the first Soviet atomic bomb, American military planners sought bombers capable of delivering the very large and heavy first-generation nuclear bombs. The B-36 was the only American aircraft with the range and payload to carry such bombs from airfields on American soil to targets in the USSR (storing nuclear weapons in foreign countries was, and remains, diplomatically sensitive).

The B-36 was arguably obsolete from the outset, being piston-powered in a world of jet interceptors.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b36.html
http://www.cowtown.net/proweb/b36net/
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/bomber/b36/
http://www.zianet.com/tmorris/b36.html
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2584
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2537
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/filmmore/reference/interview/edmund10.html

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Major Walter Schmidt
01-31-2008, 04:44 PM
B-29
Lancaster
Betty
He 177
Bv-222
H2K Emily
B-17

Major Walter Schmidt
01-31-2008, 04:49 PM
PS The "lighter" refers to the fact that the engins were prones to fires.
Also known as He 177 "Greif"

pdf27
01-31-2008, 06:42 PM
As if there weren't enough spammers on the forum, we now have members doing it too.

Major Schmidt, this topic is virtually identical to your previous topic (the post below this) and contributes nothing to the forum. If you keep doing this, you will get a formal warning and potentially infraction points, etc.

Topic locked pending deletion.

32Bravo
02-01-2008, 03:51 AM
Is that size comparison between the Spruce-Goose and the Dakota for real? If so, they must have had rather tiny pilots for the Dakota, or huge pilots for the Spruce-Goose.

George Eller
02-01-2008, 09:57 AM
Is that size comparison between the Spruce-Goose and the Dakota for real? If so, they must have had rather tiny pilots for the Dakota, or huge pilots for the Spruce-Goose.
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An enormous yet beautiful aircraft, eh :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Spruce_goose_evergreen_aviation_museum_triddle.jpg/800px-Spruce_goose_evergreen_aviation_museum_triddle.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Spruce_goose_evergreen_aviation_museum_triddle.jpg/800px-Spruce_goose_evergreen_aviation_museum_triddle.jpg

The Hughes H-4 Hercules (Spruce Goose) as seen from the Evergreen Aviation Museum.

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http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/2/7/0115727.jpg

Douglas DC-3 Dakota

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/2/7/0115727.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0115727&size=M
http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=188

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/HughesH-4_DC-3_Comparison.JPG
Size comparison between Hughes H-4 Hercules and a Douglas DC-3 Dakota

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gumalangi
02-26-2008, 02:20 PM
i preffer He 277, potentially to became the best bomber in europe.

Dark1995
03-13-2008, 05:22 PM
i like the focke wulf ta 400

generalderpanzertruppen
03-16-2008, 06:44 AM
That photo of the B-29 and the B-36 reminded me of one I saw of a B-17 and a B-29 and a B-52. The Stratofortress totally dwarfed the B-29! I vote for the B-29, arguably the most advanced aircraft of WWII.

Major Walter Schmidt
03-16-2008, 06:47 PM
Why doesnt anyone like the G10n?

generalderpanzertruppen
03-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Ah yes, the Nakajima G10, it was to be powered by six 36 cylinder, turbine-assisted, counter-rotating prop 5000HP HA-54 engines that would have pushed the 63 metre wingspan craft nearly 20,000 kilometres with a 10,000 pound payload, or a maximum 40,000 pound payload for closer targets. I have a post about it on my site.

Troy
www.feldpost.tv

Moe Syzlak
03-28-2008, 12:58 PM
I LOVE the Ju 390!
:D

Major Walter Schmidt
03-28-2008, 01:32 PM
Yes... supposedly reached 12 miles from NYC.... More on that o my Ju390 conspiracy thread.

snebold
04-02-2008, 04:13 PM
Somebody ought to build the G10N so we could all see it. The Japanese had no chance to.

The Vickers "Victory":
estimated performance as of jan42 (when abandoned):

c50ton loaded weight
bomb load/range 14515kg over 3218km or 7258kg over 6436km
ceilings over target area would be 13260m and 13807m respectively.
cruise speeds outbound/homebound 438/544 468/
The homebound ceiling would be 15470m

The Barnes Wallis 10ton bomb was the only part of this project that was bulit. This bomb was expected to have an impact speed of 427m/s and penetrate 30m into the ground when dropped from 12200m.

Impressive ceiling, but the Ta 152H would have been ready (and needed) when the "Victory" could have been, perhaps rumours of the "Victory" amongst other British 1941/42 bomber thinking was partly responsible for that?

The British and Vickers went for second best and produced the more mediocre unpreussurized Windsor, which was too late to see service in WWII anyway. They seemed to loose interest in high altitude pressurized bombers during 1942. They were often quite focused on what could be ready in time to have a useful impact on the war, which they by early 1943 thought would last into the middle of 1946, and showed comparatively little interest in very expensive long term development programmes. This might give a hint at the time scale suspected for Victories in squadron service? (US industrial muscle made the B-29 programme a very expensive not-quite-as-long-term development).
No very big British wartime aircraft, but then again, the mortal enemy was quite close...
Guess the biggest British aircraft of the war was the Short Shetland, first flown dec1944.

larryparamedic
04-03-2008, 05:41 PM
I'm not usually that keen on Japanese technology from that era, but I really liked the Nakagima.
My vote is definitely with the Hercules Spruce Goose, however.

Major Walter Schmidt
04-28-2008, 07:30 PM
The funny thing is that the Spruce goose did not use that much spruce.

redcoat
04-30-2008, 02:31 AM
My favourite is the Short Sunderland

http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/12627/2006507460103014230S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2006507460103014230slQGKD)
You have to love a combat aircraft with its own kitchen :D

Major Walter Schmidt
04-30-2008, 10:19 AM
Thanks! I never knew Sunderland had a kitchen.:o Good plane that Sunderland. Myself, I kinda like the B&V designs (Bv138, 238, 222 etc).

Jagdpanther
05-12-2008, 12:29 AM
i would say the b17 is my favorite

Cash
05-26-2008, 01:13 PM
Lancaster

B-17G

Halifax

herman2
05-26-2008, 03:19 PM
The Enola Gay B-29 is by far the most favourite plane of WW-2. It was The Enola gay which carried the Atomic bomb. It is my favourite and should be Number 1 in Aircraft history

Major Walter Schmidt
05-26-2008, 09:20 PM
The Enola Gay B-29 is by far the most favourite plane of WW-2. It was The Enola gay which carried the Atomic bomb. It is my favourite and should be Number 1 in Aircraft history

The B-29 was a real winner!:mrgreen:

michammer
05-26-2008, 09:57 PM
For me, Lancaster and Sunderland.

Also like the Stirling.

RifleMan20
05-26-2008, 10:43 PM
Come on, you didnt have any of the Boeing series, I for teh B-17 or B-29, My two favorite bombers

Major Walter Schmidt
05-26-2008, 10:48 PM
Come on? the Ju 390 or He 277..... Well, they were too big to be realistic...

Crosshairs
05-27-2008, 06:32 PM
Boeing - 29

HANDS DOWN :mrgreen:

Canberra Man
07-09-2008, 07:35 AM
Er, were these planes actually active in ww2?

Id go for the Lancaster followed by a B-29....

I'd go for the Lancaster, its family! I worked on the Avro Lincoln in 1951, some plane, fifteen feet more wing span, more powerful engines (later Merlins). When I stood under the bomb bay, it was like standing in a dance hall. They were also trouble free.

Ken

namvet
07-09-2008, 10:59 AM
as far as 'big' goes i guess the spruce goose. even though it never left the states and only flew once. as far as combat ill go with the B-29. 1st fully pressurized cabin. remote control gun firing system and high altitude. around 30-35 thousand feet. but the engines had a serious problem at high altitude. engine fatigue. round the clock maintenance.

SS Ouche-Vittes
07-14-2008, 02:54 PM
What about the G8N Renzan or Rezan(not sure)?. It actually flew, 4 were made while the G10N didn't get to the protype stage.
My Favs
1. Ju-390
2. Ta-400
3. H8K 'Emily' flying boat
4. G8N

Major Walter Schmidt
07-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Ja. Its the Nakajima G8N Renzan "Rita"
Vids here
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1kE714i2I

Uyraell
03-18-2009, 11:43 AM
BV238, and BV 250 (land derivative, and father of C130), BV222 (Father of Short Solent, post-war).

Regards, Uyraell.

snebold
03-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Weird parental lineage... especially for the Solent which had several in-house ancestors

Uyraell
03-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Weird parental lineage... especially for the Solent which had several in-house ancestors
Check the hull of the Solent against the earlier in-house designs. I looked at it on and off over a couple of years. Eventually I concluded the Solent owed more to the BV222, the claimed lineage notwithstanding.
I reached the stage that I saw the Solent fuselage and hull as being BV222 in slightly reduced scale, by about a proportion of 25%.

Having examined a Solent at close hand (Museum of Transport and Technology, Western Springs, Auckland, New Zealand) I retained my opinion. That hull/fuselage has a lot more in common with the BV222 than is at first apparent. I agree the mainplanes relate back to the Short Brothers' flyingboat designs, notably of course, the Sunderland.

However the frame layout, the stringer positioning, hull chines, and flow-break-steps in the hull, and similar details are imo very very close to replicating the BV222.

Regards, Uyraell.

Uyraell
03-20-2009, 04:20 AM
Is that size comparison between the Spruce-Goose and the Dakota for real? If so, they must have had rather tiny pilots for the Dakota, or huge pilots for the Spruce-Goose.
At the time it was built, the Spruce Goose was the largest moving man-made structure on the planet.
IIRC, It was also one of the earliest to have incorporated powered assistance for the pilot input to the control surfaces.
The now legendary "flight" was one of the earliest publicly recorded occasions of such a system in operation, during which the concept of input assist was validated, notwithstanding that Hughes, while acknowledging the necessity, initially disliked the concept. At least, as far as records of his comments on it survive.
I have that, from a biography on Hughes, written in about 1980.

Regards, Uyraell.

Joel109
03-30-2009, 07:55 AM
B-17 Flying Fortress. That is one sexy bomber.

Deaf Smith
03-30-2009, 10:42 PM
Since alot of aircraft were not made at the first of the war, and some didn't last till the end, I guess I'd say I'm torn between the B-17 and B-24. Both were used from day one till the very end. Both were used around the whole world in every theater (yes,some few into Russia, landed, and flew out.)

Hard to say between those two. Both did great service.

Deaf

RicemanCDN
03-31-2009, 01:21 AM
Spruce goose

Nighthawke
04-06-2009, 10:36 AM
The Flying Fortress is a fav of mine too, but the SuperFort is what took my breath away.

I got to see both at the Midland airport here in Texas, the gang was reskinning Sentimental Journey. I got to pitch in, setting Clecos and helping set rivets.

Fifi had two engine cowls off and half of those motors were pulled - refurbishment of her engines were under way at the time.

namvet
04-06-2009, 10:45 AM
FIFI

http://www.cafb29b24.org/a/PhotoAlbum/B-29_R/497999654_434c202632_b_640x411.jpg

she's a combat vet. I took the tour of her when she was here at the downtown airport many years ago. I hope she's still around. video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hXahtZkk9E

the_librarian
06-21-2009, 01:27 AM
Here's some great links to the B-19 if you were interested in learning more. Stumbled across these tonight and thought folks might be interested:

Popular Mechanics, Nov. 1941
http://books.google.com/books?id=1tkDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1

Popular Mechanics, July 1941
http://books.google.com/books?id=mtkDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA8&dq=B-19%20bomber&lr=&as_brr=1&as_pt=MAGAZINES&pg=PA8

Nickdfresh
06-21-2009, 06:00 AM
The "1942 Cars" that were never built...

Very interesting link, thanks...

angform
08-13-2010, 04:45 PM
Like the FW TA400

muscogeemike
09-30-2010, 10:51 PM
At last! Someone list the B-24, more B-24's built than any other US fixed wing aircraft ever! If you include the Privateer (developed from the Liberator) close to 20,000 built and used in every theater.

burp
10-01-2010, 03:38 AM
List also Me-264: concurrent of Ju-390 and Fw Ta 400 for Amerika bomber project. It reached the prototype stage like Ju-390 but was abbandoned because Lutwaffe prefer He-277 and Fw Ta 400, while Kriegsmarine prefered Ju-290 and it's upgraded version Ju-390.

Doering
10-13-2010, 09:18 PM
Gotta be the Lancaster Bomber!

Luftwaffles
10-17-2010, 06:03 AM
Pe-2 or IL-4