The Master

[Egorka]

The master... for so long... for a couple of years or so...

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/g/u/gunter_spb/Rasovoe.jpg

[Panzerknacker]

So...? your point and/or intended discussion is ?

[Chevan]

Oh what ugly soviet soldier from middle asia?:)
And what nice german guy near him:)
Just imagine like those "middle asia subhumans" soon will f...k the gremans woman in 1945:)

[Egorka]

So...? your point and/or intended discussion is ?

My point? I feel like I want to break his jaw. That is my point. Though I am not proud of this rage of mine...

P.S: Maybe this thread should be moved to an other section.

[Chevan]

My point? I feel like I want to break his jaw. That is my point. Though I am not proud of this rage of mine...

P.S: Maybe this thread should be moved to an other section.
To whom do you want to break the jaw?
the GErmans guy or for the Middle Asia pows mate?
Do not worry so much about GErmans - even if he has survived - the fresh air of Suberia should clean his mind from any race hate ideas perfectly:)
He will love the last eskimos after the Syberia.:)

[Koen]

Is this a 'I hate German WWII soldiers' topic?:confused:

[Egorka]

To whom do you want to break the jaw?
the GErmans guy or for the Middle Asia pows mate?
Do not worry so much about GErmans - even if he has survived - the fresh air of Suberia should clean his mind from any race hate ideas perfectly:)
He will love the last eskimos after the Syberia.:)

Yes, it is kind of ironic when one watches this photo knowing the outcome of the war.

I kept thinking about that German guy: How did your face looked like when you were standing just like that 2 years later!?

By the way, the picture is most likely staged.

[Egorka]

Is this a 'I hate German WWII soldiers' topic?:confused:
Not at all. It is "We hate nazism" topic.

[Panzerknacker]

P.S: Maybe this thread should be moved to an other section.

Agreed. Moving to the Photo research.

[Koen]

Not at all. It is "We hate nazism" topic.

then we can all start posting hundreds of pictures...

what info are you looking for?

[Egorka]

then we can all start posting hundreds of pictures...
That is up to you.

what info are you looking for?
In this particular thread I am not looking for anything. I am sharing the info I have with the rest of my favorit forum.

Is this wrong in your opinion?

[Rising Sun*]

Without knowing the circumstances a picture presents, we can read all sorts of things into it, many of them wrong.

Captions don't help. They're just someone else putting their own spin on the picture.

Here's picture of a Maori guard in New Zealand with a Japanese prisoner. The guard could be taunting a thirsty prisoner with a cup of water or about to drink his own drink or about to throw it in the prisoner's face, or anything else you want to read into the picture from the relative sizes, positions, attitudes and dress of the two men.


http://www.teara.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/C86CD5F9-4455-42E6-AC7C-EB05C1D4758F/57291/p1216atl.jpg

[Koen]

In this particular thread I am not looking for anything. I am sharing the info I have with the rest of my favorit forum.

Is this wrong in your opinion?

no, not to me although it is very easy with almost every WWII picture to turn every topic into a 'hatred' topic. [and the picture is now in the "Photo Research" topic]

therefore we might get the idea that it is dangerous to post WWII-related pictures or moviereviews...

every German gun, tank, airplane, etc etc was meant to kill something/someone else...
[and vice-versa]

I must admit that although I collect WWII pictures there aren't any kind of pictures like the one above in my collection...I collect WWII warpictures and not smiling nazi's [NSDAP members] above a pit with corpses...

I once had a very angry guy calling me names because I wrote: "I bought myself a very nice secondhand book about the Waffen-SS"
He took is as if I said/thought that the Waffen-SS was "very nice"

When I explained to him that I was talking about the book and the content in the book and NOT about the Waffen-SS as an entity he understood me and apologised for his reaction.

I'm not into flamewars so please don't misunderstand me :roll:

[Kato]

Yes, it is kind of ironic when one watches this photo knowing the outcome of the war.

I kept thinking about that German guy: How did your face looked like when you were standing just like that 2 years later!?

By the way, the picture is most likely staged.

It is ironic that the state that captured him does not exist while Germany prosper and veterans of the Red Army have only envied their German counterparts.

So I don't see any reasons to gloat over it for the admirers of the Soviets.

[Egorka]

It is ironic that the state that captured him does not exist while Germany prosper and veterans of the Red Army have only envied their German counterparts.
Yes, some of them envied their German counterparts. But it is only because those "counterparts" did not win in the first place.

So I don't see any reasons to gloat over it for the admirers of the Soviets.
Gloat? What are you talking about? Get your senses back !

[Egorka]

Without knowing the circumstances a picture presents, we can read all sorts of things into it, many of them wrong.

circumstances... what could be disputed about the circumstances on that photo?

[Rising Sun*]

circumstances... what could be disputed about the circumstances on that photo?

Everything.

How do we know that the terrible Aryan wasn't assessing the medical condition of the prisoners and making sure they were fed half an hour later?

Or he might have had them on their knees on the edge of pit a couple of minutes later?

Who knows?

How often have you seen a photo of someone caught in 1/500th of a second that distorts what was really happening?

The photo itself tells us nothing.

Any more than this photo of a French soldier in WWI tells us what he's doing, apart from stealing everything he can, right down to buttons off their collars, from the German prisoners lined up to meet his theiving hands. Or maybe inspecting them for lice.

Who knows, just from looking at a photo?


http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6429/nwgermanprisoners01ul5.jpg

[Panzerknacker]

Oh what ugly soviet soldier from middle asia?:)
And what nice german guy near him
Just imagine like those "middle asia subhumans" soon will f...k the gremans woman in 1945

I hope you are nor bragging about the crimes of the Red army against the german civilian population.

My point? I feel like I want to break his jaw. That is my point. Though I am not proud of this rage of mine...

Breaking the jaw to a person already dead ?, ha, good luck with that.

I think the picture shoulndt be called "the master" but "the tragedy", is never amusing be a prisoner of war, if you was soviet prisoner in german hands the thing became gloomy and if you was prisoner of the Waffen SS ( like this picture) the thing is definately tragic.

The same happened in the other way, the SS men prefered to shoot themselves before being captured by the russians.

If someone think that is something comic or funny in the picture ...well, there is no any of that.

[tankgeezer]

The problem with photos is always that it is a snapshot of a fraction of a second, and does not reveal the context, or emotion of that moment, or of preceeding, or subsequent moments. much as taking out two random letters from this post, and trying to construct the rest of the text just from them. Unless the weapon, or fist is doing the deed in that fraction of a second, it sadly. proves nothing..

[Egorka]

If someone think that is something comic or funny in the picture ...well, there is no any of that.

Funny!? That is bloody not funny at all.

I signed it "The Master" because that is how, I THINK, that SS guy felt when he participated in that staged photage intended for the nazi propaganda.

[Egorka]

@ Rising Sun*and Tankgeezer

The context for his picture is not only what you see here and now, but also the knowledge about other events during WW2. In this light there is nothing contradictinal about this photo. Nothin more or less can be misinterpreted that whould lead to principal change in the impression this picture make.

If I am wrong, then tell me what is disputable in here.

[Koen]

@ Rising Sun*and Tankgeezer

The context for his picture is not only what you see here and now, but also the knowledge about other events during WW2. In this light there is nothing contradictinal about this photo. Nothin more or less can be misinterpreted that whould lead to principal change in the impression this picture make.

If I am wrong, then tell me what is disputable in here.

I guess we all know by now that WWII was NOT just about tankbattles, dogfights etc...

There were indeed the 'endlösung', 'arbeit macht frei', Waffen-SS misconducts etc....

But what can we do about it?
We can have endless disussions about it but what's the point?

Should we avoid to talk about it? NO
Should we concentrate on it? NO

It's just that there will be thousands of this kind of pictures with every one of them capable of creating very long discussions...

I for instance would appreciate it more when I see new pictures of Pz V's then a picture of a Waffen-SS soldier beating up a prisoner.
And the Waffen-SS soldier I only take as an example..there were misconducts on every side against prisoners/POW's

K

[Chevan]

I hope you are nor bragging about the crimes of the Red army against the german civilian population.

No am not bragging.
I just want to mention one more times that the crimes of Red Amry was te direct resault the crimes in the East ( but in much great scale). To the contrast of the Waffen-SS in Red Army nobody look at the GErmans pows as at the subhumans.
And i fully understand the Egorka's feelings.The Nazy race superiority theories concerning East European slavs is more than simple demagogy.
They actually look at the us as at the subhumans and treat our russian pows by such way.

[Egorka]

It's just that there will be thousands of this kind of pictures with every one of them capable of creating very long discussions...
I do not know if there are tousands of exactly this kind of pictures. This is more or less the first one I see where you see that face to face interaction.
That is is the whole point that he is not beating him. Not at that moment anyway. If there was a execution on it it would be less impressive IMO, as it I have seen many of those. But here it is about seeing their faces like that.
It is his face. And that is all that is there - better than tousand words.

We should not concentratit on it. Not only on it. But seeing these two faces on one picture, connected by the circumstances at the same moment, can teach a lot about what happened. And it is a great visualisation to the theoretical knowledge that we have.

I for instance would appreciate it more when I see new pictures of Pz V's then a picture of a Waffen-SS soldier beating up a prisoner.
And the Waffen-SS soldier I only take as an example..there were misconducts on every side against prisoners/POW's
K
I see your point. But for me it is other way around. Tanks come after faces.

[Koen]

I do not know if there are tousands of exactly this kind of pictures. This is more or less the first one I see where you see that face to face interaction.
That is is the whole point that he is not beating him. Not at that moment anyway. If there was a execution on it it would be less impressive IMO, as it I have seen many of those. But here it is about seeing their faces like that.
It is his face. And that is all that is there - better than tousand words.

We should not concentratit on it. Not only on it. But seeing these two faces on one picture, connected by the circumstances at the same moment, can teach a lot about what happened. And it is a great visualisation to the theoretical knowledge that we have.

I see your point. But for me it is other way around. Tanks come after faces.

well, I do agree that this picture has a certain magnetism...you want to look at it again and again..;and you wonder...and you ask yourself questions...

BUT...when you say that a picture says more then a thousand words you should've posted the picture with only the title and without the comments.

[Rising Sun*]

What can be made of the following picture?

Is the apparent food tin being given to, or taken away from the Japanese prisoners?

Is it staged for the camera, like the OP one probably was, or is it just a slice of happy wartime life?

Is the Allied bloke on the left exulting in the misery being caused by taking food away from the Japs (How do we know they're Japs?) or pleased by the care being shown them? Or maybe just chuffed that he's in the picture?

What about the casual contempt, even hatred, for the prisoners shown by the Allied bloke on the right, who looks like he'd blow the prisoners away as soon as the photo shoot is over?


http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-Papua/img/USA-P-Papua-p373.jpg



When the Camera Lies

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, September 26, 2006; Page A21

Thomas Hoepker's photo "Brooklyn, New York, September 11, 2001" has achieved a kind of notoriety. It shows five young New Yorkers on that vividly beautiful late summer day, seemingly sunning themselves on the Brooklyn waterfront as the collapsed World Trade Center smolders in the background. The photo appears to catch the five chatting, ignoring the horror on the other side of the river. It has been interpreted as yet another example of indifference or the compulsion to return to normal even though, as anyone can see, there is nothing normal about what is happening. It is the emblematic photo of our times.

Photography, of course, is often a lie, and this photo is no exception. It captured a moment, a second or less, when one of the subjects said something and the other four turned toward him and away from the plumes of smoke, so they seemed not to care. This photo, like all photos, lacked context -- what went before and what went after -- and the interpretation of insouciance has been challenged by no less than some of the people in it. They insist they were intensely aware and horrified by what happened. My bold. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/25/AR2006092500877.html


http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/2006/PH2006092501354_s.jpg

[Egorka]

when you say that a picture says more then a thousand words you should've posted the picture with only the title and without the comments.

Which comments? This one: "The master... for so long... for a couple of years or so..."

That is just my vy VERY short comment. Right. Do you think by that I trick people into seeing here what is in reality not there?

[Koen]

sometimes you get the best discussion when you let other people start the discussion...

when you post a picture and a title people start wondering what the picture is about, why you post it etc...

let them start a discussion and wait a while...

I'm an amateur-photographer and this works

[Egorka]

Rising Sun*, save your energy. I know what you are trying to say and I am not arguing with it.
Yes, pictures can and do lie. But we have to be smart and think, right. We just have to be critical and that is it.

Honestly, neither of 3 photos you posted here make me think anything like you suggested. Like f.ex. ignorant people and the burning towers. Anf the bloke on the right does not look like he wants to shoot japanese POWs either.

the point is that I have seen numerous times similar german photage of the RKKA POW. I know what the voice behinfd the camera whould say about them. I know what SS and Wermacht soldiers had in mind about them (I am reading curently the book "Letter from the Eastern Front", Copenhagen, 2006 about privat letter analysis of the soldiers).
So as for me I have all the context I need. Because those people became symbols ones frosen on the photo. And it does not matter if that SS guy had in reality a tiny bit of compassion to that Kirgiz boy.

[Egorka]

sometimes you get the best discussion when you let other people start the discussion...

when you post a picture and a title people start wondering what the picture is about, why you post it etc...

let them start a discussion and wait a while...

I'm an amateur-photographer and this works

In a way you are right. I do not hide that I find this photo to be very good at showing REALITY of the interrace interraction at that time. And since I find it so good I wanted to share it.

[George Eller]

...the point is that I have seen numerous times similar german photage of the RKKA POW. I know what the voice behinfd the camera whould say about them. I know what SS and Wermacht soldiers had in mind about them (I am reading curently the book "Letter from the Eastern Front", Copenhagen, 2006 about privat letter analysis of the soldiers).
So as for me I have all the context I need. Because those people became symbols ones frosen on the photo. And it does not matter if that SS guy had in reality a tiny bit of compassion to that Kirgiz boy.
-

I have seen film footage and photographs in similar fashion taken during the Battle of the Bulge with German soldiers standing next to African-American prisoners of war. A white American POW commented that the Germans had a field day comparing their features to those of the captured American blacks.

Wacht am Rhein (4 Jan 1945) video clip
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/wacht-am-rhein-4-jan-1945/3682863296

Black American POW's compared to German soldiers - starts approx at 6:15 on video counter.

-

[Rising Sun*]

Rising Sun*, save your energy. I know what you are trying to say and I am not arguing with it.
Yes, pictures can and do lie. But we have to be smart and think, right. We just have to be critical and that is it.

Honestly, neither of 3 photos you posted here make me think anything like you suggested. Like f.ex. ignorant people and the burning towers. Anf the bloke on the right does not look like he wants to shoot japanese POWs either.

the point is that I have seen numerous times similar german photage of the RKKA POW. I know what the voice behinfd the camera whould say about them. I know what SS and Wermacht soldiers had in mind about them (I am reading curently the book "Letter from the Eastern Front", Copenhagen, 2006 about privat letter analysis of the soldiers).
So as for me I have all the context I need. Because those people became symbols ones frosen on the photo. And it does not matter if that SS guy had in reality a tiny bit of compassion to that Kirgiz boy.

Egorka

I don't dispute that your interpretation might well be correct.

What I dispute is that it is the only possible interpretation.

I think you're investing the photo with your personal beliefs about what's going on, as will many other people, but in the end it's just a photo that tells us nothing about what the German is thinking, whereas you're interpreting the photo as evidence of his Nazi thoughts and attitudes.

If somebody had taken a photo of Hitler grimacing in pain from one of his gastric attacks, I'm sure it could be interpreted as evidence of his crazy hatred. And probably would be if all we had to go on was the photo.

And here's a perfect example of the caption telling a story that the photograph doesn't, at least not to my eye, because people have invested the photo with their understanding of the background rather than what the camera has captured.

The photographer, listed as unknown but more than likely 7th Division military photographer Corporal Robert Donaldson, captured not only the total subjugation of the Japanese commander, Major General Uno, but also the barely repressed fury of an Australian commanding officer who had spent three years fighting against a savage enemy, and had recently seen many of his own men killed and wounded in the final campaign of the war – one which many at the time felt was unnecessary. Balikpapan was the last large-scale Allied operation of the war, and one of the more costly for the Australian forces. Robson’s 2/31st Battalion had suffered severely and the commander was in no mood to be charitable. http://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/31/article.asp

See enlarged photo here http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/118033

[Egorka]

You think I do not know that a picture can lie? Well I have seen this one:

http://llnw.content.jibjab.com/content/1c76c50b7847f7cbe6542b24506493d06fdce0b2

instruction:
"If you watch the above images from your seat in front of the computer, Mr. Angry is on the left, and Mrs. Calm is on the right.

Get up from your seat, and move back 12 feet, and PRESTO - they switch places.
It is said this illusion was created by Phillippe G.Schyns and Aude Oliva of the Univ. of Glasgow.
This proves that we may not be seeing what's actually there, all the time!"

source: http://egorka-datskij.livejournal.com/41106.html

[Egorka]

So I don't see any reasons to gloat over it for the admirers of the Soviets.
Kato, do you think I am a "Soviet admirer"?
If yes, then how do you figure out that?

[Firefly]

3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters. Maybe we should design a new UN Medal or something for getting along without flaming!

Good discussion though I have to admit.

[Koen]

3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters. Maybe we should design a new UN Medal or something for getting along without flaming!

Good discussion though I have to admit.

yes indeed mr. moderator, both of us have seen other kind of dicussions...good job men...!

[Egorka]

3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters. Maybe we should design a new UN Medal or something for getting along without flaming!

Good discussion though I have to admit.

smack : an enthusiastic kiss :)

[Rising Sun*]

3 Pages of discussion and no flame wars. Boy this site has a come a long way, especially when you consider the topics and the posters.


That's what you think, you haggis eating kilt monkey, trying to hijack this thread with your latest Pict troll. ;) :mrgreen:

Wait till you see how people respond to your not so subtle troll about "when you consider the ... posters". If I was George Eller, I'd be seriously pissed off. :D

And it was all going so well until you had to ruin it. ;)

[Egorka]

And it was all going so well until you had to ruin it. ;)

Yahhh... I feel like getting into trouble now too... ;)

[Rising Sun*]

Yahhh... I feel like getting into trouble now too... ;)

See!

I knew it would happen.

Bloody Firefly and his troll! ;)

[Koen]

See!

I knew it would happen.

Bloody Firefly and his troll! ;)

who are you calling a TROLL ?

[Rising Sun*]

who are you calling a TROLL ?

Firefly.

See how it's degenerated since he trolled? ;)

[Koen]

Firefly.

See how it's degenerated since he trolled? ;)

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response

A troll is a fearsome member of a mythical anthropomorphic race from Norse mythology. Originally more or less the Nordic equivalents of giants, although often smaller in size, the different depictions have come to range from the fiendish giants – similar to the ogres of England (also called Trolls at times, see Troller's Gill) – to a devious, more human-like folk of the wilderness, living underground in hills, caves or mounds. In the Faroe islands, Orkney and Shetland tales, trolls are called trows, adopted from the Norse language when these islands were settled by Vikings.

ok, I was a bit confused now....

[Firefly]

Oh, you guys.......

:rolleyes:

Bunch of Nazi sympathisers the lot of ye!

Oh BTW its Burns night tonight!!!! Nothing like a thread hijack [PK would be spinning in his grave if he werent alive]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/burnsnight/

Me, I'll be in the Mess, probably have a sore head tomorrow as these things usually get out of hand. Of course if you want to look smart in the Mess you need to get the right duds, you can order some stuff here if you want.

http://www.messdress.com/index.html

[Koen]

Oh, you guys.......

:rolleyes:

Bunch of Nazi sympathisers the lot of ye!

Oh BTW its Burns night tonight!!!! Nothing like a thread hijack [PK would be spinning in his grave if he werent alive]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/burnsnight/

BURNS NIGHT?

http://www.oswego.edu/~tyager/isc320/mr_burns.gif

[Rising Sun*]

Oh BTW its Burns night tonight!!!!

Och!

Ya wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous beastie! ;)

I suppose it falls to me to present Rabbie's annual words of Celtic obscurity.

Fair fa your honest sonsie face,
Great Chieftan o the Puddin-race!
Aboon them a ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe or thairm
Weel are ye wordy of a grace
As lang s my arm.

The Groaning trencher there ye fill,
Your hurdies like a distant hill
Your pin wad help to mend a mill
In time o need,
While thro your pores the dews distil Like Amber bead.

His knife see Rustic – labour dight
An cut you up we’ready slight,
Trenching your gushing entrails bright
Like one ditch;
And then, O what a glorious sight,
Warm, reekin, rich!

Then, horn for horn they strecth an’ strive,
Deil tak the hindmost, on they drive,
till a’ their weel – swall’d kytes belyve
Are bent like drums;
Then auld Guidman, maist like to rise,
Be thankit hums.

Is there that owre his French ragout,
Or Olio wad straw a sov,
Or fricasse wad make her spew
Wi perfect scummer,
Looks down wi sneering, scornfu' view
On sic a dinner?

Poor devil! See him over owre his trash,
As feckless as a wither’d rash,
His spindle shank a guid whip – lash,
His nieve a nit
Thro’ bluidy flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!

But mark the rustic, haggis fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread.
Clap in his walie nieve a blade.
He’ll make it whistle;
An’ legs an’ arms, an’ heads will sned
Like taps o’ thristle

Ye pow’rs wha mak mankind your care,
And dish them out their bill o’fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware,
That jaups in luggies,
But, if you wish her gratefu’ pray’r
Gie her a Haggis!

Nothing like a thread hijack [PK would be spinning in his grave if he werent alive]

Now, Jock, you're really pushing it!

PK is alive!

Pull the other one. :D

[Rising Sun*]

BURNS NIGHT?

http://www.oswego.edu/~tyager/isc320/mr_burns.gif


Understandable intepretation for anyone born since about 1985, but Firefly, being of the sporran swingin' persuasion to conceal an even hairier and more fearsome monster beneath his frayed kilt, was referring to Robbie Burns who, in any other language, would be regarded as poet. ;) :D (The latter comment is purely to annoy Firefly and his kilted ilk. :D)

http://www.robertburns.org/

Remember Rabbie the next time you sing Auld Lang Syne, becuase they're his words.

[Firefly]

Nothing wrong with a bit o Haggis

If you can catch one......

http://haggishunt.scotsman.com/

[Rising Sun*]

Of course if you want to look smart in the Mess you need to get the right duds, you can order some stuff here if you want.

http://www.messdress.com/index.html

Yes, well, that's rather nice, but I prefer to get my duds from someone who's been around for at least three centuries. Somewhat longer than before man's current silliness with lighter than air machines, what? ;) :D http://www.edeandravenscroft.co.uk/about-us/History_Of_Legal_7.htm

[Koen]

Understandable intepretation for anyone born since about 1985, but Firefly, being of the sporran swingin' persuasion to conceal an even hairier and more fearsome monster beneath his frayed kilt, was referring to Robbie Burns who, in any other language, would be regarded as poet. ;) :D (The latter comment is purely to annoy Firefly and his kilted ilk. :D)

http://www.robertburns.org/

Remember Rabbie the next time you sing Auld Lang Syne, becuase they're his words.

Unfortunately I'm from 'before 1985'....:rolleyes:

[Rising Sun*]

Nothing wrong with a bit o Haggis

If you can catch one......

http://haggishunt.scotsman.com/

Mate, FFS!

They're just bloody platypus heads


http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20041025/gallery/platypus_zoom.jpg



stuck on some idiot's idea of an echidna body (apart from the one on the left stuck onto a tortoise - very convincing!).


http://www.anbg.gov.au/anbg/mammals/echidna.jpg



Against a real echidna



http://www.abc.net.au/science/scribblygum/June2000/img/f_echid10.jpg




This is the first intimation I've had that haggis is a hallucinogen. :D

[Rising Sun*]

Unfortunately I'm from 'before 1985'....:rolleyes:

Perhaps, but fortunately you're not Scottish.

Doesn't matter what year they're born, they're always trouble. ;) :D

[tankgeezer]

@ Rising Sun*and Tankgeezer

The context for his picture is not only what you see here and now, but also the knowledge about other events during WW2. In this light there is nothing contradictinal about this photo. Nothin more or less can be misinterpreted that whould lead to principal change in the impression this picture make.

If I am wrong, then tell me what is disputable in here.
Well, I was stating only that a single picture does not a story make, and although it may to some be worth a thousand words, its up to the viewer to choose those thousand words, which could lead pretty much anyplace.
As evidence, there isnt much to be inferred from the picture, beyond what is actually depicted,any number of possibilities may have preceeded this frame, and any number may proceed from it.

[tankgeezer]

MMMMMMM, A tasty Haggis is for me! wi' a dram or two of the water of life! Oh, happy Scots are we,,The only drink fit to grace the Puddin' devine.
An enterprise well worth the skinned knees got in the catching of the Noble beast.