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Cuts
10-20-2007, 04:48 PM
So what was Rising Sun* awarded the 'infraction points' for ?
He's always seemed a sensible poster with a mature point of view and a sense of humour that ensures he doesn't take himself too seriously.
All I've seen is this post from Panzerknacker:



The Member Rising sun has been awarded with 3 infraction points.

He insulted the same number of times a Moderator despite public warning a two private messages.

Doling out these points to people when no-one else knows what it's about is about as clever as going for a dump without taking your trousers down.

These points need to be seen by all if for no other reason than posters can ensure they don't make the same mistake.

Come on Moderators, what's it all about ?


Edit:
Do any other of us mere mortals know why this occurred ?
If so please post it here, we've got to be open about these matters so there can be no unfounded accusations.

Panzerknacker
10-20-2007, 05:20 PM
I am sending you a PM. :rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
10-20-2007, 05:37 PM
On a related note - I was wondering why these threads are always "sanitized" with heavy editing and censorship? And I don't mean this thread per se, I mean the infractions thread or whichever thread RS posted in regarding yesterday's events here. Maybe the whole thread was deleted, I dunno, But all of Rising Sun's commentary and statements from yesterday have since been expunged. It almost smacks a bit as a cover up or something, which is why it's unwise to run around hacking out the text of a long time credible poster just because a mod doesn't like it.

That typed of wholesale purging does not reflect well on this site...

pdf27
10-20-2007, 06:03 PM
Under discussion at the moment - wait out and we'll get back to you when clarified.

Firefly
10-21-2007, 06:46 AM
Just let me say that posts should NOT be deleted for any reason without an explanation.

PDF is correct, all these things will be investigated and we will get back to you.

Just to clarify one thing though, RS has not been awarded any infraction points.

Gen. Sandworm
10-21-2007, 07:25 PM
None ?

Yes and you know why!

This topic should remain open! However unless a moderator is trying to explain something to the members at the moment I suggest we do it in private.

No offense to the members but there are somethings just best being handled and not for the public to see. I hope you understand and we will try to be as clear as possible on our conclusions.

In the end we work for you.............. not the other way around.

Cheers

GS

Dani
10-22-2007, 12:08 AM
Apologies to everybody, you all be informed about.

Gen. Sandworm
10-22-2007, 05:51 PM
Apologies to everybody, you all be informed about.

Seconded.

Coming to a conclusion. This topic is reopened if any members have a concern. As of yet there is not much to talk about.

Gen. Sandworm
10-22-2007, 08:49 PM
So here is the deal! I was going to keep it short but here it goes:

PK has been reprimanded for misuse of moderating (infraction) powers. These rules are currently not available to the public. I will not go into detail about his punishment but I will say that he will not be modding the Other Wars section at all. Only in the case of a spammer. If he wants to explain his situation that is up to him.

With RS's permission he wants me to state publicly what he did. Normally insulting a staff member in public would 1st receive a formal warning. (you would get an email) If the problem persists then it would be a non-expiring 1 point infraction. (this can change due to the nature of the problem.) PK and RS have acknowledged that there was an insult in the Off-Topic General Section. There was also an exchange of harsh language by PM. I do not care so much about this as long as it does not get out of hand. (case by case basis......if you want to get dirty I prefer you do it there) Because of the lack of evidence and and the word of a senior moderator RS has been given a 1 point infraction that will last for one year. He finds this fair and so do I. I will not tolerate insulting staff members in public. It demeans them. If you need to get nasty PMs are the place to do it. If you do it there please use common sense. This is one of the reasons that I do not want PMs posted in public. This is a place for private talking.

With his permission I will post a very valid comment by RS:


On a related point to come out of this, * and * made the point in the Infractions thread that details should be given of the reasons for infraction points or deletions. I agree. Vague assertions like 'insult a mod' don't tell the offender or anyone else what they did that is unacceptable. When the post is deleted neither the offender nor anyone else has any reference point to work it out or dispute it. It would be better to specify briefly in the infractions thread what it's about, and give a more detailed explanation in a PM to the offender.


* represent current members but left out for their protection (I did not receive permission from them to post their names. Im sure they know who they are.) However I agree with the point here. If you break a rule it must be clear what you have done and how to correct it.

There is a rule that I want all members to understand. If you break a rule you should 1st receive a formal warning( you will get an email). If you already have a formal warning then for the same offense you will receive an infraction point(s). If you get infraction point(s) without a formal warning (I will know if you have or not) then the infraction points are not valid. Spammers are excluded (possibly certain other assholes) Informal warnings are included in the normal thread talk. Formal warnings should show up in your profile and you should receive an email. Just clarifying the difference. There are only a few things that validate skipping a formal warning. Faking a vet for instance.........things most members would agree there is no warning needed. Skip the warning and go to infractions.

The main point with this case is that the proper procedures were not followed and the reason for punishment was not clear for other staff members to examine. The staff needs to be clear in the future on what exactly a member has done wrong. If you have not read the rules and guidelines I suggest you do. ( http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4871) This is an apparent lack of communication.

We are here to work for you. Our task is to keep a good forum and an improving one. I just want to note that communication between normal members and staff is key. We must see eye to eye on progress.

I hope you all will read and understand this situation. This case is closed but feel free to post your comments.

Thanks to all,

GS

Rising Sun*
10-22-2007, 09:22 PM
I'd like to thank Gen Sandworm and the mods for the diligent and very fair way they've handled this matter. I'm perfectly happy with the result.

Nickdfresh
10-23-2007, 03:57 AM
I have a question unrelated to this topic, but on infraction points.

Whenever I click on my "user CP" profile, I still see an "expired" infraction point. It mocks me, and is a hurtful reminder of infractions past. I wish it would go away...:(

Chevan
10-23-2007, 07:18 AM
I have a question unrelated to this topic, but on infraction points.

Whenever I click on my "user CP" profile, I still see an "expired" infraction point. It mocks me, and is a hurtful reminder of infractions past. I wish it would go away...:(

Yes and i have too expired infraction, since PZ has banned me for a short time.
What i have to do to erase this?

Rising Sun*
10-23-2007, 07:34 AM
I live and learn.

I don't think I've ever looked at my user CP before

Why does it record only infractions, and not decorations? Not that I want to wear mine, but it seems a bit negative to do it that way.

Firefly
10-23-2007, 07:40 AM
I have no idea and have to admit I didnt know the CP did the infractions either until I wanted to delete ones given.

As for awards, that seems a fair idea, not sure how it may work though as Im at the same end as you when it comes to implementing techno thingies here.




Editted to add, now that I think of it, showing expired points may help the Mods in a future case against someone who is daft enough (Iron Man) to continually receive them. A steady accumulation of expired infractions may well be a pointer to site behaviour.

Gen. Sandworm
10-23-2007, 08:04 AM
Whenever I click on my "user CP" profile, I still see an "expired" infraction point. It mocks me, and is a hurtful reminder of infractions past. I wish it would go away...:(


Yes and i have too expired infraction, since PZ has banned me for a short time.
What i have to do to erase this?




Why does it record only infractions, and not decorations? Not that I want to wear mine, but it seems a bit negative to do it that way.




As for awards, that seems a fair idea, not sure how it may work though as Im at the same end as you when it comes to implementing techno thingies here.

Editted to add, now that I think of it, showing expired points may help the Mods in a future case against someone who is daft enough (Iron Man) to continually receive them. A steady accumulation of expired infractions may well be a pointer to site behaviour.

I understand where you are coming from. FF has nailed why I dont currently want to delete them. Not comparing you guys to IRONMAN. This helps the staff keep track of past problems. Plus no one will ever see it besides the staff.

Unfortunately there is no awards system tied into the forum program. Maybe in the future. Thats why we are working with the one I came up with. Maybe if you dont wish to wear them in your sig you can type them into your user profile. I could make a special area for this.

Nick, I have a few things on my police record I dont like. Nothing serious. Im guessing you probably do too. If not .... good job. Now im not the police so maybe we can think of a way members can get stuff like that erased. After a certain period of time for instance? Not sure... I would have to think about it. It will be up to the member to tell me thou because those things cannot be setup for automatic deletion.

Rising Sun*
10-23-2007, 08:29 AM
Nick, I have a few things on my police record I dont like. Nothing serious. Im guessing you probably do too. If not .... good job. Now im not the police so maybe we can think of a way members can get stuff like that erased. After a certain period of time for instance? Not sure... I would have to think about it. It will be up to the member to tell me thou because those things cannot be setup for automatic deletion.

I agree that Nick probably has a police rap sheet as long as my arm. :D If not, I'm disappointed in him. :mrgreen:

Seriously, there are two ways of approaching it.

First, things disappear after a time. A lot of criminal jurisdictions have a spent conviction scheme where after a specified period minor to medium offences are expunged from the record.

Second, you're never free of your criminal past. That's the scheme that applies to me as a lawyer under rules introduced a couple of years ago, where I have to disclose to my registration body every offence I've ever been found guilty of no matter how minor or how long ago (in my case, 1969) even if it was before I became a lawyer, which I did in 1978, or after (about 1981). I have to disclose them because there isn't any official record of them any more.

It pisses me off royally that nobody I've represented before 2002 to 1997, depending on the jurisdiction, has burglaries or assaults or a whole range of far more serious crimes than mine recorded, but I have to disclose a trespass (pathologically pissed and terminally confused on the roof of a place I once lived in - 1969) and a tax offence marginally less serious than Al Capone's (my accountant didn't lodge my return in time and the first I knew of it was the Tax Office summons - 1981).

I'm in favour of dropping the record after a period of no more offending appropriate to the offence.

Nickdfresh
10-23-2007, 09:22 AM
...

Nick, I have a few things on my police record I dont like. Nothing serious. Im guessing you probably do too. If not .... good job. Now im not the police so maybe we can think of a way members can get stuff like that erased. After a certain period of time for instance? Not sure... I would have to think about it. It will be up to the member to tell me thou because those things cannot be setup for automatic deletion.


LOL I was only kidding and my response was meant completely tongue-in-cheek...

I had to check so see if it was still there in fact after I made that post.:D (it is)

I think it should be said though that that was over a year ago now and the point is long since expired...

I think a deserve a new and second chance in society...:)

Nickdfresh
10-23-2007, 09:27 AM
I agree that Nick probably has a police rap sheet as long as my arm. :D If not, I'm disappointed in him. :mrgreen:
...

Well apart form a few speeding tickets and numerous parking violations, there's really little against me. I dunno if that's luck or cunning though.:D

Although on a serious note, I notice as I get older, the less afraid of the police I get and nearly got in an argument with a NY State Trooper just over a year ago...

Firefly
10-23-2007, 11:35 AM
As I get older I find that police object to me calling them sonny, especially at 3 in the morning when they should really be in bed. When I was in the US recently my mate got a fine from a US policeman who objected to him asking for military discount, I mean come on, why not!

For some strange reason he was invited to spend the night with the Cop in question and didnt get the right response when he joked about the copper fancying him or something.

I love the US, but sometimes when those guys put a uniform on they take their sense of humour off!

That reminds me of a run in I had with a US Major many years back, he asked me if my Col was in and I said 'yeah'.

He shouted at me, 'Don't yeah me boy' and was totally perplexed when I replied, 'don't boy me Sir'.

By perplexed I mean he started ranting and raving and mentioned a place called Leavenworth, then stockade and then had to have a sit down for a bit. To be honest I dont think I have seen anyone go so red. He used to glower at me for the next 3 years but never spoke to me again.....

1000ydstare
10-23-2007, 12:31 PM
You should have just said "You What?"

Or mentioned that he couldn't send to to Levonworth or probalby the stockade on the grounds you were British and not American.

Nickdfresh
10-23-2007, 09:18 PM
As I get older I find that police object to me calling them sonny, especially at 3 in the morning when they should really be in bed. When I was in the US recently my mate got a fine from a US policeman who objected to him asking for military discount, I mean come on, why not!

For some strange reason he was invited to spend the night with the Cop in question and didnt get the right response when he joked about the copper fancying him or something.

I love the US, but sometimes when those guys put a uniform on they take their sense of humour off!

That reminds me of a run in I had with a US Major many years back, he asked me if my Col was in and I said 'yeah'.

He shouted at me, 'Don't yeah me boy' and was totally perplexed when I replied, 'don't boy me Sir'.

By perplexed I mean he started ranting and raving and mentioned a place called Leavenworth, then stockade and then had to have a sit down for a bit. To be honest I dont think I have seen anyone go so red. He used to glower at me for the next 3 years but never spoke to me again.....

LOL A US officer tried to threaten a Scottish Crab with Leavenworth? I bet when his fellow officers heard that, they all probably laughed at him. :D All in all, I was in area where the ratio of officers to NCOs was quite high (being a REMF :D), so for the most part, the Junior officers just saw us as colleagues and except for the odd *****, we were usually cool because they know the slightest trouble we caused made them look bad.

One time though, after I had only been a few months out of training, I had a wanker of a Captain tell me that I was wrong to wear a tie with short sleeve class-Bs. He was kind of being a twat and very firmly dressing me down, that I was wrong. I was respectful, but firm that I was correct, which I think surprised him a bit. (I think he was just pissed that I dressed better than him that day). In any case, I came back down to my office with copies I had made, and told one of the Captains I worked for, and he turned beet red and stormed off up stairs muttering "well he's ****ed up then!" I guess that Captain got his *** chewed out by like a summary pseudo-courts martial of fellow captains and majors, which made me feel sorta good. :D

And NY State troopers can be quite different. I think I was doing 81 in a 65 mph zone. It was about 1:00AM on a Friday, and I'm pretty sure he was looking for drunks, but since I was driving home from a work site that weekend, he could tell I'd been doing nothing but driving all night from the luggage sprawled out in the back. I was pretty surely having driven through heavy Washington, DC traffic several hours earlier, and this guy just looked like the typical cop with an attitude. I could just see he was going to be a complete ******* no matter what. He sort of looked the brother from Arrested Development that was a perpetual fail. Suffice to say - I knew I was getting a ticket no matter what. So instead of being the contrite and polite pussy I am about 90% of my life in these situations hoping to minimize the damage - I basically laughed at him said he wouldn't even have bothered to stop me if it were 12-hours later (that's pretty much the rate of speed in daytime) Following up, I asked him if he was "bored" and could actually "take a drunk off the road" instead of haggling me. He just sort of sneered at me and gritted his teeth, but I think when one is articulate and calm, the cops are less likely to make you get out of the car and try to cause real problems for you because that can go both ways legally speaking. But the ticket was like almost $200, which was an expensive toll...

Gen. Sandworm
10-25-2007, 08:38 PM
Friend of mine that was in the Air Force told me this story. When they would get the new crop of 2nd Lieutenants that all wanted a salute for the enlisted men. (Coz they thought they had earned it) My friend would gather all his buddies together and wait for a new one with a chip on his shoulder in front of the mess hall. They would line up and salute the officer one by one. Of course when the salutee is done they are free to go but the officer was not because the next person in line would be saluting. This way they delayed said officer from getting his meal. Works best with about 30 guys he said. The new officers soon learned the "no need to salute because I will be around today" saying. Anyhoo.......thought it was a good story.

Firefly
10-26-2007, 10:43 AM
Speaking of saluting, Ive always thought it funny when US Warrant Officer are working alongside Brits....

Drake
10-26-2007, 12:51 PM
What's the point of those anyway? I've seen them in rank comparison sheets on the net and never quite figured why the US bothers using another in between rank no one else uses.

Gen. Sandworm
10-26-2007, 07:29 PM
What's the point of those anyway? I've seen them in rank comparison sheets on the net and never quite figured why the US bothers using another in between rank no one else uses.

Thats the whole point...........to piss people off and confuse them. If the US didnt make things as confusing as possible we wouldnt be doing our jobs. Goes back to the War of Independence and the lead up. Our militia didnt line up and face the Brits like normal we shot from the trees and ran. And somebody please tell me why in the hell a bunch of Indians (Native americans) would raid and ship and throw in all its tea in the harbor? (Boston tea party) Still trying to figure out why we re-elected a moron as well? Funny everybody I run into says he is an idiot and I didnt vote for him..........starting to wonder who did. ;)

Back to the last topic! I guess if the offense isnt so bad then we can delete it after a year or so? Depends what you did.

Digger
10-27-2007, 01:10 AM
I was about to say you should dock an infraction point from the last several postee's for continually going off topic;) But there again you could dock me a couple of points for being a smartarse:roll::)

digger

1000ydstare
10-27-2007, 02:08 AM
Some info on WO rank here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_Officer, pretty accurate.

Warrant Officer as a completely sepeare rank structure.

They actually do exactly the same as the British WOs but are considered as a their own rank structure that is above all ORs and Trainee officers but below ALL commissioned officers.

In the British side WOs are considered as ORs.

American WOs are highly specialised personnel who are the subject matter experts on various things. A tradesman (say a electronic tech) progresses down a certain trade, then can be selected for warrant training. The officer is different to a commisioned offierc as he wont do staff training or anything like that. He is not a generalist, he is a specialist.

For Brits, they are also the technial specialists, most of our similar appointments are awarded at SSgt level, however we also have LE or late entry officers, where WO1 or WO2 specialists re commisioned to capt then can progress to Lt Col.

It is amusing to say the least. When out with the yanks some of our key personnel started wearing ranks so their Amercan counterparts would know who they were (not our idea).

We had three WO2s with us.

Title
WO2 (Squadron Sgt Major) - Master Sgt.
WO2 (Yeoman of Signals) - CWO 2
WO2 (Foreman of Signals) - CWO 3

All the same rank in the British Army, technically different in the American.

Panzerknacker
10-30-2007, 09:49 AM
I dont know why so fuzz about it.

In other forums the people who are in charge can ban you if the your nick doesnt like it or you have bad breath , there is no "formal warnings" "infraction points" and other delikatessens like we do. :rolleyes:

And other example is the Forum http://www.militaryphotos.net/ I was baned definately ...just for not agreeing in the number of mines whom according to one british guy the argentine engineers planted in Malvinas.


Other thing is topic like "infraction points" , it simple there are none like this in other forums, The word of the Moderators is law and is not subject to any kind of revisionism.

And by the way just for the taste...try to enter in a spanish language forum and send a PM to the Mod with the equivalent to "****ing wanker" (like some guy send me here) , get the cronograph ready because your live as a member of that forum will be measured in seconds.

My suggestion is that everybody stop crying like a 15 yeard old girl wich lost his first boyfriend and try to enjoy the forum.

Man of Stoat
10-30-2007, 10:25 AM
Right, so because moderators on the other forums are allowed to behave like the Austrian corporal, and suppress views/people they don't like, you want to do so here?

This forum had always been so civilised...

Cuts
10-30-2007, 01:44 PM
I dont know why so fuzz about it.

In other forums the people who are in charge can ban you if the your nick doesnt like it or you have bad breath , there is no "formal warnings" "infraction points" and other delikatessens like we do. :rolleyes:

And other example is the Forum http://www.militaryphotos.net/ I was baned definately ...just for not agreeing in the number of mines whom according to one british guy the argentine engineers planted in Malvinas.
That's a bit off, how long ago did this occur ? Which thread was it in ?



Other thing is topic like "infraction points" , it simple there are none like this in other forums, The word of the Moderators is law and is not subject to any kind of revisionism.

And by the way just for the taste...try to enter in a spanish language forum and send a PM to the Mod with the equivalent to "****ing wanker" (like some guy send me here) , get the cronograph ready because your live as a member of that forum will be measured in seconds.

My suggestion is that everybody stop crying like a 15 yeard old girl wich lost his first boyfriend and try to enjoy the forum.
Er, some very strange 'girls' you know PzK !
You're not sleeping with Patricia Araujo by any chance ?

Panzerknacker
10-30-2007, 05:22 PM
Right, so because moderators on the other forums are allowed to behave like the Austrian corporal, and suppress views/people they don't like, you want to do so here?

No I just want to point that is if a Mod give 1 or 2 infraction dont feel like this was the most tragic crime in the history of internet forums, is not the end of the world.



That's a bit off, how long ago did this occur ? Which thread was it in ?



In the Falklands 25th topic, check "Panzerknacker" ad you ll see.

Firefly
10-30-2007, 05:30 PM
I like to think that this forum exists so well because we have definitive rules both for the posters and for the Mods. In essence we all know where we stand and what is acceptable and one single indiscretion wont have you walking the plank and at the same time the Mods dont have Dictorial powers and can be called into question.

Seems like the best of Forums to me. Yes, we sometimes make mistakes, I did with Sgt Dull, where I infracted him for Walting when I should have warned him and discussed it. I was taken to task for it though, which was only right.

Guys who come here to contribute should be allowed to voice their opinions as long as they behave in a civilised manner to each other and understand that if they dont, then they will still be treated fairly, but in the commensurate degree according to what they do and how they behave.

Nickdfresh
10-30-2007, 07:37 PM
There are very few forums where Mods have ban powers. Usually, it's the purview of the site owner/Webmasters/Supermoderators or whatever title they like and Mods are the NCOs or junior officers that usually have powers restricted. On the forum I Mod, we had to virtually rebel to get our post-editing powers back because some Mods became censorship happy, and all mods had their delete power turned off so we were in essence little more than posters that could "punt" threads. This of course until we were spammed to the point our bandwidth was exceeded and the site went down for several weeks.

I can move threads and I can remove spam in my forum, and my forum only (the political one). I routinely have to put up with and argue with retarded posters calling me an *******, mother****er, etcetera because we have a policy of very rarely banning. As fond as I am of this policy, it is currently largely problematic since the site owner is a US Army officer that is deployed around Iraq, and thankfully, Italy last I heard, and has not posted in like six months and has kept "the keys" so to speak, so even the webbies have limited editorial powers and dare not step over the line. So, consequently, we Mods are very much on our own and have to endure spamming attacks and argument trolls, one of whom I had to threaten with turning his IP over to the FBI Cybercrimes Unit for making veiled terroristic threats of turning people's real life names over to motorcycle gangs like the "Patriot Guard" and the Hells Angels (he claims to be a convicted felon) for daring to criticize them in an incident which happened during an Iraq War protest.

Of course, there's the Fabulous Shadow saga; the story of the most positively disturbed, psychotic whore I have ever had the misfortune to run across in real life or on the internet. This Succubus skank infested, and was consequently banned from, no less than four Van Halen related internet sites for things like, oh, repeated alias spamming after being banned, making terroristic threats on the internet, stalking female mod throughout in internet and onto AOL chats, illegally using her privileged access in her job working in a personnel function at a California eye glasses factory to (with the assistance of friendly Mods and/or webbies feeding her IP information :rolleyes:) threaten the children of posters, call wives and claim to be a mistress of her marks, and call peoples' work to feed defamatory information to their bosses. This among other assorted shenagigans...

So, I am really sorry when I hear the trials and tribulations of Mods on this site. But I'm sorry man, if you're that think skinned that you can't take criticism or insults made in the heat of the moment, you really might consider not being Mod. Sure as hell don't Mod at the Rotharmy.com. :D

Gutkowski
10-30-2007, 08:13 PM
WoW this topic is still going lets just move forward and lock this post down ?

Gen. Sandworm
10-30-2007, 10:02 PM
WoW this topic is still going lets just move forward and lock this post down ?

Im leaving it open for the moment in case ppl have questions about infraction points. However, It will soon be locked and closed.

Rising Sun*
10-31-2007, 04:57 AM
No I just want to point that is if a Mod give 1 or 2 infraction dont feel like this was the most tragic crime in the history of internet forums, is not the end of the world.

So why are you going on about it, long after everyone else involved has resolved it and left it behind?

If infraction points don't matter, why bother giving them?

Rising Sun*
10-31-2007, 05:00 AM
My suggestion is that everybody stop crying like a 15 yeard old girl wich lost his first boyfriend and try to enjoy the forum.

Excellent advice.

Why don't you follow it?

Everyone else has.

Once an issue is resolved, just leave it alone and move on. Everyone else has.

Panzerknacker
10-31-2007, 07:37 AM
Hahaha, yea sure, and this come from the queen of the tear himself.:)

Very funny.

Do you have any other joke for us ?

Man of Stoat
10-31-2007, 08:22 AM
I seem to remember that this thread came about more or less because you, PK, had used infraction points to punish someone for disagreeing with you. When you were called on this, the teddies were ejected from the pram on a ballistic trajectory .

You appear to have quite a supply of teddies, as they haven't stopped coming yet...

Rising Sun*
10-31-2007, 09:24 AM
I seem to remember that this thread came about more or less because you, PK, had used infraction points to punish someone for disagreeing with you. When you were called on this, the teddies were ejected from the pram on a ballistic trajectory .

You appear to have quite a supply of teddies, as they haven't stopped coming yet...


Down here in the Antipodes, they're dummies.


http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/nursery/ages/babies/baby2.gif


Babies spit them out, in a tantrum.

Hence the phrase 'dummy spit'. Ranks with 'hissy fit' and other kiddy / girly things.

There's so much I could respond to in PK's selective whines and insinuations but, tear queen though I am, I'm a touch more grown up than that.

So I'll just let him show the world what a big man he is by his incisive and informative contributions to this and other threads where I get up his tight little skirt.

1000ydstare
10-31-2007, 12:32 PM
Hmmm, didn't I find a teddy lying around in the ether once? I did a lost property thread to find out who owned it :D

PS. I think the infraction point system is bonk. Just tell me I have done wrong, I don't need "points"!!!! To me "points mean prizes" :D

Nickdfresh
10-31-2007, 01:00 PM
Hahaha, yea sure, and this come from the queen of the tear himself.:)

Very funny.

Do you have any other joke for us ?

Somebody's having a bad day...:(

You really need to learn when to drop it, man...

The sleeping dogs were lying peacefully next to the fire, with Teddy.

Gen. Sandworm
10-31-2007, 01:36 PM
I see we are out of questions about infraction points so this one is closed!