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Nickdfresh
09-24-2007, 08:05 PM
Ahmadinejad Seeks to Soothe Critics

By JOHN DANISZEWSKI and NICOLAS B. TATRO – 1 hour ago

NEW YORK (AP) — In his outward persona at least, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came to this country to lessen hostility toward himself and to defend Iran, not to rabble-rouse and provoke hatred. Whether he succeeded remains an open question.

In an interview with The Associated Press on Monday, Ahmadinejad presented his country as a reasonable seeker of peace and justice. He denied that it holds any violent intentions against the United States, Israel or any of its immediate neighbors.

"We seek detente," Ahmadinejad declared. "Every stance and position has been toward peace."

He also denied all the chief accusations against Iran: that it is providing weapons to kill U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting terrorism or breaking international law by developing nuclear weapons.

As with any world leader, Ahmadinejad's words cannot just be accepted at face value. Leaders are judged by their actions more than their interviews.

Given the Iranian government's record: taking U.S. hostages in 1979, supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon, hosting demonstrations with chants of "Death to America," more recent arrests of intellectuals, and Ahmadinejad's own questioning of the Holocaust, he faced a hard task softening his country's image.

Clearly, however, he was making a bid in the interview — as in his other appearances — to introduce himself as a rational leader, not as the dangerous, hardline radical that he is often perceived to be by many in this country.

The problems in the Middle East, including Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon, can be solved through dialogue, good will and free elections, Ahmadinejad said. Talks with the United States will be fruitful, he said, if both sides are honest and serious.

He appeared to rule out a first-strike against Israel by Iran, and said he does not really believe that the United States would try to mount a war. He said such talk was just pre-electoral rhetoric and U.S. anger speaking.

There was notably no bashing of the "Great Satan" in the interview, and he was also somewhat muted in his discussion of Israel, although he always referred to it as "the Zionist regime" rather than by its name.

The most aggressive things he said were that Israel believes in "expansionist policies," demonstrated most recently by a Sept. 6 attack against Syria, and that U.S. actions in Iraq had been "misguided" and all about oil. He also suggested that U.S. support for Saddam Hussein back in the 1980s caused the devastating 1980-88 war between Iraq and Iran.

On the nuclear issue, he said the problems between Iran and some Western countries are strictly political, and that most of the world believes that Iran has the legal right to nuclear technology for civilian purposes.

The United States and key European nations have been pushing for new sanctions against Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment. Iran insists the program is for peaceful civilian energy production but the U.S. and its allies fear it is a cover to produce nuclear weapons.

Ahmadinejad said that the International Atomic Energy Agency is responsible for nuclear issues and already has been inspecting Iranian nuclear facilities on an ongoing basis.

"So we believe that the only way is for us to continue our constructive cooperation and relations with the IAEA, something that has been in place from the start, and if these powers stop interfering, there's really no problem."

Ahmadinejad spoke to the AP just a few hours before he walked into the lion's den of a Columbia University forum as thousands of people protested outside. That meeting did not turn out well for him: he was excoriated by the university president in opening remarks and laughed at when he asserted that there is no homosexuality in Iran.

He started out the interview saying he had no "special feelings" about being among most sought-after leaders at the U.N. General Assembly. But he said he was happy to have the chance in the United States to meet with "many friends."

He said Iran's main foreign-policy aims are "peace and viable security for the whole world."

"Iran will not attack any country," he answered, when asked if his country would ever strike first against Israel. Iran has always maintained a defensive policy, not an offensive one, he said, and has "never sought to expand its territory."

He also pooh-poohed reports that the U.S. was prepared for military action if diplomatic efforts to get Iran to abandon nuclear enrichment activities failed.

"I believe that some of the talk in this regard arises first of all from anger. Secondly, it serves the electoral purposes domestically in this country. Third, it serves as a cover for policy failures over Iraq."

U.S. military officials insist they have evidence that Iran is providing weapons and training to militants in Iraq, particularly explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, armor-piercing roadside bombs that have killed hundreds of American troops in recent months. Ahmadinejad said it is not so.

"Why would we want to do that?" he declared. "This would really be inappropriate for us. We are friends with both Iraq and Afghanistan. Insecurity in Iraq and Afghanistan undermines our own national security; it basically goes against what we believe."

Rather, he described himself as "extremely unhappy" with the situation and that he rues all the people dying in those countries.

"It saddens us that people lose their lives in Iraq. We also regret that American troops are losing their lives there," he said.

Ahmadinejad urged the United States "to change its path altogether" in Iraq and let the elected government run the country without outside interference.

Ahmadinejad claimed Iran already has made proposals to U.S. politicians over Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine that are all based on seeking peace in the region. "But we believe that for these to succeed we need two conditions in place: first, seriousness, and second, honesty and sincerity. If the two go hand-in-hand then the results can be effective," he said.

Does he believe there is seriousness and honesty from the U.S.?

"We have to wait — we hope," he answered.

Asked if he'd meet any U.S. officials while here, Ahmadinejad smiled and said it was not foreseen. "Anything is possible."

"I have suggested that I debate President Bush. I think that the United Nations provides a suitable forum for this. All of the heads of state can sit down. The world can watch for itself, independently. We will offer our proposals for resolving world problems and restoring peace, and allow everyone to think for themselves and decide which one is right."

It was, of course, an extremely unlikely suggestion.

AP writer Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this report
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Panzerknacker
09-24-2007, 08:10 PM
Or your U.S politicians guys are too nice or too stup...:rolleyes: to let this guy come.

To me is completely crazy.

tankgeezer
09-24-2007, 09:34 PM
Or your U.S politicians guys are too nice or too stup...:rolleyes: to let this guy come.

To me is completely crazy.

Agreed my friend, it was a huge mistake to allow him entrance to the U.S.
He is merely attempting to obfuscate our foreign policy concerning Iran, to sow doubts, and mistrust in our own nation, people and leaders.
He wishes to paint a picture of his gov't, as being benign, tolerant, and as having the good of all mankind at heart.
I for one do not believe it. The wolf shows beneath the sheepskin. His eyes never match his words.
All nations, not just the U.S. need to see the truth behind the plastic smiles. The only thing one can trust in a snake, or a scorpion, is that they will always act like one in the end.

Chevan
09-25-2007, 12:53 AM
Thanks Nick i was waiting for you begain this yesterday.
No lets look for this without hysteria.


As with any world leader, Ahmadinejad's words cannot just be accepted at face value. Leaders are judged by their actions more than their interviews.

Exactly from this point the president Bush&Military Co who involved the USA in the bloody unpopular adventure in Iraq is hardly better then the Ahmadinejad, who only spread the anti-isreal tells but nothing did.


Given the Iranian government's record: taking U.S. hostages in 1979, supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon, hosting demonstrations with chants of "Death to America," more recent arrests of intellectuals, and Ahmadinejad's own questioning of the Holocaust, he faced a hard task softening his country's image.

Well mate i hope you are not forgetting - WHO HELP the Islamic radicals take the power in 1979?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
The American CIA and British intelligence launched Operation Ajax, orchestrating a coup d'état to overthrow the elected prime minister. In subsequent decades, this foreign intervention, along with issues such as unequal development, political repression, corruption, cooperation with Israel, and the un-Islamic, Westernized lifestyle of the Iranian elite, united Islamists and leftists against the Shah and led to his overthrow. The Shah's regime fell in the Iranian revolution of 1978-79, and the Shah left the country in January 1979
So by the illumination of the Shah from the power by CIA give the real chance for the fanatics to take the power in Iran.
Besides the active supporting of the Israel is not bother you as the supporting Labanon?


The problems in the Middle East, including Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon, can be solved through dialogue, good will and free elections, Ahmadinejad said. Talks with the United States will be fruitful, he said, if both sides are honest and serious.

Is this not that the USA speaks today - to solve the Iraq problem through the dialoge with neighbourd states?


He appeared to rule out a first-strike against Israel by Iran, and said he does not really believe that the United States would try to mount a war. He said such talk was just pre-electoral rhetoric and U.S. anger speaking.

True. This is moslty pre-electorial demagogy that aimed to avoid the critic the US ruling party for the falling their in Iraq- by the present the "new" possible Agression from Iran.
Sure the Iranian anti-isreal passages is nothing but for domestic purposes. To attacke the Isreal who had already about 60150 nuclear charges ( different sources gives the other values) is finished suicide for Iran who just dream to make the first nuclear bomb.


There was notably no bashing of the "Great Satan" in the interview, and he was also somewhat muted in his discussion of Israel, although he always referred to it as "the Zionist regime" rather than by its name.
Sure there were no Great Satan and ets- this all ONLY for domestic arabs public;)


The most aggressive things he said were that Israel believes in "expansionist policies," demonstrated most recently by a Sept. 6 attack against Syria, and that U.S. actions in Iraq had been "misguided" and all about oil. He also suggested that U.S. support for Saddam Hussein back in the 1980s caused the devastating 1980-88 war between Iraq and Iran.

Absolutly true.
And all the Most of the world know Isreal expansionist policy and the War in Iraq for oil;)



"Iran will not attack any country," he answered, when asked if his country would ever strike first against Israel. Iran has always maintained a defensive policy, not an offensive one, he said, and has "never sought to expand its territory."

And who is doubt - if Iran just get the single chance to justify the new slaughter OWN people by attacing the Israel. The US immediatelly destroy them with great pleasure.;)


"I believe that some of the talk in this regard arises first of all from anger. Secondly, it serves the electoral purposes domestically in this country. Third, it serves as a cover for policy failures over Iraq."

Holy true.


U.S. military officials insist they have evidence that Iran is providing weapons and training to militants in Iraq, particularly explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, armor-piercing roadside bombs that have killed hundreds of American troops in recent months. Ahmadinejad said it is not so.

Well as i recall the US military and CIA constantly "insist" that in the Iraq prepeared the MAss destruction wearpon to use;)
It's is simply their work - to suspect everybody.


Cheers.

Chevan
09-25-2007, 12:57 AM
Or your U.S politicians guys are too nice or too stup...:rolleyes: to let this guy come.

To me is completely crazy.
He come not to the US but to the General Assembly, that unfortunately was established in New York. Formally the US gov could not forbit him to visit the UN if only he is not in international INTERPOL search for the crimes.
But he is not criminal, is not he?;)

Rising Sun*
09-25-2007, 04:58 AM
I have always found educated Americans to be among the most polite and diplomatic people in the world.

The President of Columbia University is a highly educated American, but he was quite rude and undiplomatic in introducing the Iranian President to speak at his university, with comments such as


"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said, to loud applause. "When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous."

Chief among Bollinger's concerns were Ahmadinejad's statements in the past questioning the Holocaust.

"The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history," Bollinger said. "You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated ... Will you cease this outrage?" http://www.wpbf.com/news/14188902/detail.html

Hooray for President Bollinger!

Hooray for rude Americans!

Bore it up that nasty little Persian shit as hard as you can.

Just another example of what a moronic little Islamo-fascist ****head Ahmadinejad is, was his announcement that Iran is a poofter free zone, which rightly produced loud laughter from his audience at Columbia. : Play video in link above 'We Don't Have Homosexuals'

If they don't have poofters, why does Iran have the death penalty for homosexuality? http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/05/086f28c5-91d7-4d24-98f3-dfb9ceb3c836.html

Or have they killed them all off?

It would be an achivement, given the long history of homosexuality in Persia, and in the wider Middle East.

Much as I try to avoid using Wikipedia as a reference, this will do for a summary


In Persia homosexuality and homoerotic expressions were tolerated in numerous public places, from monasteries and seminaries to taverns, military camps, bathhouses, and coffee houses. In the early Safavid era (1501–1723), male houses of prostitution (amrad khane) were legally recognized and paid taxes.

A tradition of art and literature sprang up constructing Middle Eastern homosexuality. Muslim—often Sufi—poets in medieval Arab lands and in Persia wrote odes to the beautiful wine boys who, they wrote, served them in the taverns. In many areas the practice survived into modern times, as documented by Richard Francis Burton, André Gide, and others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

Ahmadinejad is a dangerous lunatic who, unlike Hitler, has the added dangerous disadvantages of being religiously motivated and not as smart. If he doesn't provoke a major war in the Middle East it'll be a wonder.

When he's got another dangerous dumb and religiously motivated lunatic like Dubya rattling his sabre, it's just about guaranteed there'll be war.

Whether it provokes WWIII remains to be seen.

Rising Sun*
09-25-2007, 05:07 AM
But he is not criminal, is not he?;)

He should be, the child murdering piece of shit that he is.

This tells you all you need to know about him and his mentality, and that of the regime he represents.

It's Japan 1931-41 all over again, just a lot, lot worse.

Dubya would be doing the world a favour by getting rid of vermin like him and his regime, but it's never that simple and too many innocents always suffer. Not all Iranians think like the ****wits who run their country.

Contrary to the comment in the quote below that Ahmadinejad reportedly served as a Basiji instructor, I've seen other reports that say he was a senior commander. Either way, he's still a piece of shit.


During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.

At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. "In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."

These children who rolled to their deaths were part of the Basiji, a mass movement created by Khomeini in 1979 and militarized after the war started in order to supplement his beleaguered army.The Basij Mostazafan--or "mobilization of the oppressed"--was essentially a volunteer militia, most of whose members were not yet 18. They went enthusiastically, and by the thousands, to their own destruction. "The young men cleared the mines with their own bodies," one veteran of the Iran-Iraq War recalled in 2002 to the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine. "It was sometimes like a race. Even without the commander's orders, everyone wanted to be first."

The sacrifice of the Basiji was ghastly. And yet, today, it is a source not of national shame, but of growing pride. Since the end of hostilities against Iraq in 1988, the Basiji have grown both in numbers and influence. They have been deployed, above all, as a vice squad to enforce religious law in Iran, and their elite "special units" have been used as shock troops against anti-government forces. In both 1999 and 2003, for instance, the Basiji were used to suppress student unrest. And, last year, they formed the potent core of the political base that propelled Mahmoud Ahmadinejad--a man who reportedly served as a Basij instructor during the Iran-Iraq War--to the presidency.

Ahmadinejad revels in his alliance with the Basiji. He regularly appears in public wearing a black-and-white Basij scarf, and, in his speeches, he routinely praises "Basij culture" and "Basij power," with which he says "Iran today makes its presence felt on the international and diplomatic stage." Ahmadinejad's ascendance on the shoulders of the Basiji means that the Iranian Revolution, launched almost three decades ago, has entered a new and disturbing phase. A younger generation of Iranians, whose worldviews were forged in the atrocities of the Iran-Iraq War, have come to power, wielding a more fervently ideological approach to politics than their predecessors. The children of the Revolution are now its leaders.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406

Chevan
09-25-2007, 07:51 AM
The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history," Bollinger said. "You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated ... Will you cease this outrage?"

.
But I the Holocaust is the most documented event in the istory- why they avoid the publical discussion with the western revisionists and prefere send them to the prisons and slander them as the "idiots" and folish ant-semite?. If all of revisionists are only the "astonishingly uneducated " who deny the OBVIOUS fact that the Eath is the round?
There is something suspicious ;)
Cheers.

Chevan
09-25-2007, 07:59 AM
He should be, the child murdering piece of shit that he is.

This tells you all you need to know about him and his mentality, and that of the regime he represents.

It's Japan 1931-41 all over again, just a lot, lot worse.

Well probably he is.
He was a one of the commander of the Baiji and prepeard the Children for suicide in 1979-80.
However there is no any charges for him from the VICTIMS - the perents of Iranian children, and i /m doubt it sometimes will occur.
So formally he is just the political provocator, who used the anti-israels feelins of arabs in their dirty aims.
However does he single middle East politic who used the conflict in its political aims?

Rising Sun*
09-25-2007, 08:12 AM
But I the Holocaust is the most documented event in the istory- why they avoid the publical discussion with the western revisionists and prefere send them to the prisons and slander them as the "idiots" and folish ant-semite?. If all of revisionists are only the "astonishingly uneducated " who deny the OBVIOUS fact that the Eath is the round?
There is something suspicious ;)
Cheers.

Mate, do yourself a favour.

You got suspended recently for getting into the Holocaust / Jewish / Israel stuff, and you're getting into it again in this and other threads.

Push it hard again and you'll go, Poof!, into cyberspace.

Keep away from that stuff as it's a hot item for you, but even hotter for the mods if you push it.

Be nice, and stick to telling us how Russia won the war and suffered all the casualties. :D

Because nobody cares about that. ;)

Chevan
09-25-2007, 09:14 AM
OK no problems mate.
That's enought.
If you advise to push it hard into cuberspase;)
I/m just not sure i will not coming back soon;)

Rising Sun*
09-25-2007, 10:18 AM
I/m just not sure i will not coming back soon;)


You'd better stick around.

Bloody Egorka hardly ever turns up any more, although he made a brief appearance tonight, so what other Russian can I get stuck into apart from you? :D

tankgeezer
09-25-2007, 11:58 AM
Quote:"On the day that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited Columbia University in New York, U.S. presidential candidates offered reaction ranging from support for academic freedom to harsh criticism of the university for inviting the Iranian president to speak"

Columbia University is not part of the United Nations facility. Nor is the area referred to as Ground Zero. While there may, or may not be a rule allowing even heads of state from known beligerant countries to have access to the U.N. complex, that does not allow them access to any other part of the U.S.
There is no good reason, to have allowed this person, onto U.S. soil. None, period.
Previous dealings with the country of Iran have no bearing here, and now. Thats past, and gone.
And lastly, the Presidential candidates have no concern for this man beyond getting publicity to further their chances in the election next year.

Chevan
09-25-2007, 01:04 PM
You'd better stick around.

Bloody Egorka hardly ever turns up any more, although he made a brief appearance tonight, so what other Russian can I get stuck into apart from you? :D
Do yo know why my friemd Egorka have ignored this thread?
Coz he lives in sunny happy Denmark.
I live in the Nothern Kavkaz- about 700 km from the Kaspij sea and Iranium border.
And i/m very trouble about possible US "liberation" of Iran ( probably with the newest nuclear wearpon as dreams the senator-provocator Liberman & Co).
If they so worry about Isreal- i/m worry about ecological and humanitarian catastrophe in the region after the "one more victorious war". Coz the possible chaos in the territory of Iran - it's population in times more then Iraqi- this is the real problem for all neighbourd states.

Fortunatelly my friend Nick said me that the new war is just a Poltical demagogy in USA.
However the life is a life - the any provocation from both side is possible.
Although i do not like the agressive rhetoric of lunatic Ahmadinejad. Meanwhile the position of the American elite is bother me too.

Cheers.

Nickdfresh
09-25-2007, 01:08 PM
Quote:"On the day that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited Columbia University in New York, U.S. presidential candidates offered reaction ranging from support for academic freedom to harsh criticism of the university for inviting the Iranian president to speak"

Columbia University is not part of the United Nations facility. Nor is the area referred to as Ground Zero. While there may, or may not be a rule allowing even heads of state from known beligerant countries to have access to the U.N. complex, that does not allow them access to any other part of the U.S.
There is no good reason, to have allowed this person, onto U.S. soil. None, period.
Previous dealings with the country of Iran have no bearing here, and now. Thats past, and gone...


Why? So he's not exposed as a laughably blathering ****wit?

What about the Prince of the House of Saud? Or the leaders of PR of China? Are they not dictators with "blood on their hands?"
http://www.peteykins.com/sparklepony/BushAbdullah2.jpg

Why does Bush hold the hand of this bastard, whose citizen's (mostly) flew into our world trade center?



and when Iranian citizens held candlelight vigils for the victims on that day?

Nickdfresh
09-25-2007, 01:26 PM
He should be, the child murdering piece of shit that he is.

This tells you all you need to know about him and his mentality, and that of the regime he represents.

It's Japan 1931-41 all over again, just a lot, lot worse.

Dubya would be doing the world a favour by getting rid of vermin like him and his regime, but it's never that simple and too many innocents always suffer. Not all Iranians think like the ****wits who run their country.

Contrary to the comment in the quote below that Ahmadinejad reportedly served as a Basiji instructor, I've seen other reports that say he was a senior commander. Either way, he's still a piece of shit.


http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406

Oh, I have little doubt that Ahamedinajad is a complete megalomaniacal ******* that spouts the hardline rhetoric of the populist and stupid. Yes, he was a senior military intelligence officer in the Revolutionary Guard, maybe even in the Quds Force.

The problem I have here, is that W. is at least partially responsible for this guy. It's not so easy to ascribe him a "dictator" because Iran is at least partially democratic. He was elected, largely unintentionally by the veiled threats the US was making during their elections. Iran has a burgeoning middle class that is very pro-Western and rejects these fundamentalists buffoons. But by fanning the flames of "inevitable conflict," we only play into the very hands of these hardliners...

Chevan
09-25-2007, 01:30 PM
Why does Bush hold the hand of this bastard, whose citizen's (mostly) flew into our world trade center?
Yes why the Bush greeting this Lunatc Islamic dictator.
Nick, you are definitely have the point.;)

Dani
09-25-2007, 01:32 PM
Or your U.S politicians guys are too nice or too stup...:rolleyes: to let this guy come.

To me is completely crazy.

...err, do not forget about Fidel Castro's visit in 1960 to the UN...;)

Dani
09-25-2007, 01:35 PM
Yes why the Bush greeting this Lunatc Islamic dictator.
Nick, you are definitely have the point.;)

So, the unbelievable happened...

Chevan agreed with Nick and I agree with Chevan.:D

tankgeezer
09-25-2007, 03:37 PM
Quote: "Why? So he's not exposed as a laughably blathering f**kwit?"

that is not news, he is already known for that.Aside from my previous remarks, his presence within the U.S. can be utilized to conduct the operation of any cells, or operatives in place here. It is unwise to allow him the opportunity to freely communicate, or direct any such organizations.
My comments are directed towards the Iranian Pres, the Saudis and Chinese are not the subject of this thread. But they engender no particular favor from me either.

Panzerknacker
09-25-2007, 05:34 PM
He come not to the US but to the General Assembly, that unfortunately was established in New York. Formally the US gov could not forbit him to visit the UN if only he is not in international INTERPOL search for the crimes.
But he is not criminal, is not he?


I will noy say that all iranians are criminals but the people who is ruling the country deinately are, supportes of kidnapping and terrorims and not just against U.S and Israel.

tankgeezer
09-25-2007, 07:15 PM
Do yo know why my friemd Egorka have ignored this thread?
Coz he lives in sunny happy Denmark.
I live in the Nothern Kavkaz- about 700 km from the Kaspij sea and Iranium border.
And i/m very trouble about possible US "liberation" of Iran ( probably with the newest nuclear wearpon as dreams the senator-provocator Liberman & Co).
If they so worry about Isreal- i/m worry about ecological and humanitarian catastrophe in the region after the "one more victorious war". Coz the possible chaos in the territory of Iran - it's population in times more then Iraqi- this is the real problem for all neighbourd states.

Fortunatelly my friend Nick said me that the new war is just a Poltical demagogy in USA.
However the life is a life - the any provocation from both side is possible.
Although i do not like the agressive rhetoric of lunatic Ahmadinejad. Meanwhile the position of the American elite is bother me too.

Cheers. Hi Chevan,how have you been? I can sypathize with your proximity to Iran, and the concern it may cause you. In truth, there is no genuine threat of nuclear deployment by the U.S. If Iran were to attack, or substantially support an attack on Israel, that would be a different matter.(retaliation by Israel) So hope that Iran minds its manners with the Israelis. Dont worry Bud, you're safe.

Nickdfresh
09-25-2007, 10:42 PM
Quote: "Why? So he's not exposed as a laughably blathering f**kwit?"

that is not news, he is already known for that.Aside from my previous remarks, his presence within the U.S. can be utilized to conduct the operation of any cells, or operatives in place here. It is unwise to allow him the opportunity to freely communicate, or direct any such organizations.
My comments are directed towards the Iranian Pres, the Saudis and Chinese are not the subject of this thread. But they engender no particular favor from me either.


You're being paranoid and silly. Cells? Terror cells? The Iranians have supported no direct terror against the US for the last 20-years at least...

And in any case, they wouldn't use fearless leader for that. They already have diplomats here capable of that...

tankgeezer
09-25-2007, 11:15 PM
You're being paranoid and silly. Cells? Terror cells? The Iranians have supported no direct terror against the US for the last 20-years at least...

And in any case, they wouldn't use fearless leader for that. They already have diplomats here capable of that... No need to be obtuse.
your characterization is innapropriate.If you were taught any manners, please mind them.
A man who would direct a program encouraging children to clear minefields with their bodies, would not be unwilling to direct assets that may be present in the U.S. or anywhere for that matter.

Rising Sun*
09-25-2007, 11:18 PM
While it's amusing to see Ahmadinejad humiliated and exposed to a wider audience as a dangerous and stupid lunatic, there will probably be nasty consquences.

Nobody likes being humiliated.

There is inevitably a desire to strike back at the people who've done it.

It may well push Iran into taking steps or supporting people against the U.S. or U.S. interests and allies that might not otherwise have happened.

Chevan
09-25-2007, 11:35 PM
So, the unbelievable happened...

Chevan agreed with Nick and I agree with Chevan.:D
Yes Dani Hi;)
Where is going this world?- to the full agreement and harmony;)
Cheers

Chevan
09-25-2007, 11:58 PM
Hi Chevan,how have you been?

Hi my friend.
It's all good. Thanks for the care.


I can sypathize with your proximity to Iran, and the concern it may cause you. In truth, there is no genuine threat of nuclear deployment by the U.S. If Iran were to attack, or substantially support an attack on Israel, that would be a different matter.(retaliation by Israel)

Well the this scenario worry me.
The future operation could be presented as the "retribution" of Israel
Its obviously that the Isreal using the absolute american supportion just wait for any suitable moment to attack.They need the "pretext" for the world oppinion that still have the critical relation to Israel politic.
So in this condition the Iran is the victim ( althoug it could sound cinically) and any its "mistake" ( sort of the anti-isreal calls and ets) could let the Israel the pretext to attack.
But if Israel will attack - they could go down to use the nuclear wearpon to neitralize the iranium army that is over 11 mln.
Therefore the Iran would be "extrieally polite and peaceful" - do not present this pretext for the Israel.
Honestly speaking i trouble for the Iran policy. Sure the Radical islamic state is the common threat for all of us ( especially for the southern Europe).
However the new slaughter like in Iraq but in MUCH more scale is unacceptable.

Cheers.

Chevan
09-26-2007, 12:07 AM
While it's amusing to see Ahmadinejad humiliated and exposed to a wider audience as a dangerous and stupid lunatic, there will probably be nasty consquences.

Nobody likes being humiliated.

There is inevitably a desire to strike back at the people who've done it.

It may well push Iran into taking steps or supporting people against the U.S. or U.S. interests and allies that might not otherwise have happened.
I just do not understand why he agreed to go to the Columbia university. What was he waiting except the himulations.
He needs ONLY General Assembly tribune where he could express his point without "mass protests" and other pressure.
Sure negative person in USA, who have doubt?
However the critic point of US policy is very popular today in world. Do not forget about it. He speaks the thing about OTHER prefer just to think;)
Like the other lunatik Ugo Chaves;)

tankgeezer
09-26-2007, 12:43 AM
Hi my friend.
It's all good. Thanks for the care.

Well the this scenario worry me.
The future operation could be presented as the "retribution" of Israel
Its obviously that the Isreal using the absolute american supportion just wait for any suitable moment to attack.They need the "pretext" for the world oppinion that still have the critical relation to Israel politic.
So in this condition the Iran is the victim ( althoug it could sound cinically) and any its "mistake" ( sort of the anti-isreal calls and ets) could let the Israel the pretext to attack.
But if Israel will attack - they could go down to use the nuclear wearpon to neitralize the iranium army that is over 11 mln.
Therefore the Iran would be "extrieally polite and peaceful" - do not present this pretext for the Israel.
Honestly speaking i trouble for the Iran policy. Sure the Radical islamic state is the common threat for all of us ( especially for the southern Europe).
However the new slaughter like in Iraq but in MUCH more scale is unacceptable.

Cheers. Let us hope wiser, cooler heads prevail. And this question remains just a question pondered on a little website.

Nickdfresh
09-26-2007, 08:13 AM
No need to be obtuse.
your characterization is innapropriate.If you were taught any manners, please mind them.
A man who would direct a program encouraging children to clear minefields with their bodies, would not be unwilling to direct assets that may be present in the U.S. or anywhere for that matter.


My apologies...

Yes, this guy is a ruthless *******. I've never said different. His dumb statements about Iran not having any gays and his muddled backtrack on the Holocaust (he actually admitted that there was one, "but more research was needed") have only further humanized him as an incompetent clown with falling fortunes in Iran. I'm not sure where the sources of Ahmadinejad being in charge of the kiddie-demining program comes from, but I have heard he was a senior military intelligence officer in the Revolutionary Guards, and perhaps worked in the elite Quds Force as an operative. But before we daemonize this guy as the new "Hitler," we have to realize that we have to deal with him, like it or not, until the next elections. Iran is a semi-democracy, and this guy was largely elected because of Bush's veiled threats to Iran prior-to the election. And recent reports indicate that he's lost favor with the mullahs, and his powers have been curtailed.

Nickdfresh
09-26-2007, 08:15 AM
While it's amusing to see Ahmadinejad humiliated and exposed to a wider audience as a dangerous and stupid lunatic, there will probably be nasty consquences.

Nobody likes being humiliated.

There is inevitably a desire to strike back at the people who've done it.

It may well push Iran into taking steps or supporting people against the U.S. or U.S. interests and allies that might not otherwise have happened.


I hear some rumblings in the press about this as far as his critics are concerned...

But then again, I'd wager that most of Tehran thinks he's a stupid lunatic. I'd say the US info-war campaign may have done far more damage in that sense...

tankgeezer
09-26-2007, 01:03 PM
My apologies...

Yes, this guy is a ruthless *******. I've never said different. His dumb statements about Iran not having any gays and his muddled backtrack on the Holocaust (he actually admitted that there was one, "but more research was needed") have only further humanized him as an incompetent clown with falling fortunes in Iran. I'm not sure where the sources of Ahmadinejad being in charge of the kiddie-demining program comes from, but I have heard he was a senior military intelligence officer in the Revolutionary Guards, and perhaps worked in the elite Quds Force as an operative. But before we daemonize this guy as the new "Hitler," we have to realize that we have to deal with him, like it or not, until the next elections. Iran is a semi-democracy, and this guy was largely elected because of Bush's veiled threats to Iran prior-to the election. And recent reports indicate that he's lost favor with the mullahs, and his powers have been curtailed. No worries Nick, its probably just the Full Moon, I think I'll go howl,,, AWOOOOOOOOO! :)

Nickdfresh
09-26-2007, 06:09 PM
Wife of Kidnapped Israeli Soldier Confronts Ahmadinejad

Wednesday, September 26, 2007

JERUSALEM —
The wife of an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hezbollah confronted Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a news conference at the United Nations, urging him to use his influence over the guerrilla group to allow aid workers to see her husband.

In an exchange broadcast on Israeli radio stations Wednesday, Karnit Goldwasser accused the Iranian leader of responsibility for her husband's capture.

"My name is Karnit and I'm the wife of Goldwasser that was kidnapped by Hezbollah to Lebanon more than a year ago and you're responsible for this by your support. I'm asking how come you're not allowing the Red Cross to go to visit them," Goldwasser said at the Tuesday news conference.

Ahmadinejad ignored her, saying "next question."

Goldwasser told Israeli Army Radio on Wednesday that Ahmadinejad was clearly caught off guard. "He was pretty surprised to find me there," she said. "The distance between us was about two meters (yards),"

Goldwasser's husband, Israeli soldier Ehud Goldwasser, and Eldad Regev were seized in a July 2006 Hezbollah cross-border raid, triggering a 34-day war between Israel and Hezbollah.

Hezbollah did not comment on Tuesday's incident at the U.N. In the past, Hezbollah has said the two soldiers are being treated "humanely," but it has not provided any sign of life from the men and refused to allow the Red Cross to see them.

Iran is the main backer of Hezbollah.

FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298086,00.html)

Nickdfresh
09-30-2007, 02:33 PM
September 30, 2007
Op-Ed Contributors
Blogging Ahmadinejad in Tehran

AMERICANS might be forgiven for thinking they have heard everything there is to say about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s visit to Columbia University, but the story occupied Iranian bloggers at least as much as it dominated the American news cycle. Although Iranian authorities have introduced laws requiring citizens to register their blogs and Web sites with the government, Persian is the 10th most widely used language on blogs worldwide, according to Technorati, the blog-tracking service.

Despite official harassment and intimidation, Iranian blogs remain a vibrant source of debate and provide a valuable insight into popular opinion inside the country. Bloggers tend to be young, well educated and not very supportive of President Ahmadinejad, who typically attracts followers from the urban poor.

Here are excerpts from the conversation as it unfolded in Iran last week. They have been translated by the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center from the Persian.

— Tom Parker, executive director of the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center.

Someone who denies the Holocaust and promises the downfall of the Western world will inevitably remind Westerners of bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

Ahmadinejad comes from a country that burns the American flag, the symbol of American identity, and shouts its desire for the death and destruction of the government and its president.

American anger is understandable. Maybe it comes from the same source as the anger of the Iranian students at Amirkabir University in Tehran who confronted Ahmadinejad and his entourage.

— Republic, jomhour.ir, Sept. 23

Can anyone imagine George Bush coming to Tehran and then criticizing the Islamic Republic’s policies in a speech? Is it plausible to imagine George Bush speaking about wiping Palestine off the map? Could George Bush talk about sending democracy to Tehran in Tehran? Would George Bush even be provided with security or would plain-clothed operatives be sent to “spontaneously” attack him?

— Street No. 11, 11ave.blogspot.com, Sept. 24

The most important part of the speech is the very positive message that Iran has sent to America. In response to the question “Are you willing to have a dialogue with America and what do you expect?” after some explanations, he said, “We think that America can be a good friend for Iran.” He repeated the sentence and the phrase “good friend” one more time to show that it did not slip out accidentally.

— Word of Wisdom, harfehesaaby.blogspot.com, Sept. 24

Most Western news agencies like CNN and Fox News, which are branded by the regime as the agents of a Western cultural war, broadcast the speech of President Ahmadinejad live. It is interesting that none of the channels inside our country did that. What does this mean? Does it mean we don’t trust ourselves? Does it mean that we worry we might let something slip? Does it mean that we fear that our president might let something slip?

It means that knowing is not a right our people have! It means that other countries abide by democracy more than we do. It means that even we don’t believe ourselves, even that we fear ourselves. We fear that we might say something by mistake and that our lies would be revealed to the people. Really, why are the state officials against open access to information? Why don’t the people even have the right to hear the speech of their elected president? Why can’t they hear his reasoning for issues like nuclear power, democracy in Iran, and so on?

What is interesting is that we claim the Americans want to prevent our voice from being heard, so why do we censor ourselves?

— Poor Iran, yaghiha.blogfa.ir, Sept. 24

When you, the Iranian president, don’t understand how to criticize Israel and Zionism so your criticism is taken seriously, and not ridiculed by all, what kind of treatment do you expect from others?

I understand that your intentions were honorable. I know that you really meant that the Holocaust should not be used as an excuse to oppress the Palestinians. But if you expected others to grasp your meaning, you should have just said it plain and simple.

— Kingdom of Heaven, blog.malakut.org, Sept. 24

I was reading the news reports of the American media. I am truly dumbfounded. They have focused on Ahmadinejad’s response to the homosexuality question and are analyzing it. What has the world come to that, with innocent people dying in Iraq every day, the rights of the homosexuals have become the most important issue of the day?

Insulting the president of a country, no matter how unacceptable his point of view, is synonymous to insulting a nation.

— Cure, shefa.blogspot.com, Sept. 25

Dude, someone should take Ahmadinejad’s hand and take him to Daneshju Park in Valiasr Crossing. No need for explanation. Just hold on firmly to his hand so that he does not get too excited. We all know that when he is among different people and ethnic groups, he tries to blend in and considers becoming one of them as his undeniable duty. So be careful, God forbid, that when he is in Daneshju Park, this feeling of duty might arise and cause him trouble! Unlike those boys who have gender confusion in that godforsaken park, a president cannot pluck his eyebrows, or wear tight-fitting clothes, or put on blusher.

— Messiah, masih.malakut.org, Sept. 25

During the speech of my favorite president, I felt broken. The belittling killed me little by little. He thought Columbia University was just another visit to the provinces and everyone would applaud him. How could he stand all the insults to his people?

Last night, before the speech of my knowledgeable Ahmadinejad, I was so worried. O Lord, how are we going to be ridiculed now?

How did we become who we are? The year of dialogue between civilizations seems so far away!

— Until the Polytechnic Students Are Released ... (formerly To Watch the Cleansing Waters), abhayesepid.persianblog.ir, Sept. 26

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/opinion/30parker.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

Tom Parker is the executive director of the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center.