Do you shoot? Your guns ... [Archive]

Flammpanzer

09-22-2007, 01:26 PM

hello again!

maybe there was such a topic here, if so, please delete. since I am a bit in shooting and I know that a lot of US-users are around here, I asked myself if you own guns and if yes, which ones. I am also interested to know how you use them (hunting, self defence, sports, collecting etc.) and if you are satisfied with the specific types.

so please be so kind and post pics and brief descriptions of your shooting material.

as you might know, it is not easy to get a gun here in Germany, but I own a springfield armory .45 acp stainless pistol. I use it for sports-shooting and for home defence. a nicely made gun with a great precision-potential (if the shooter is able to shoot:D). it comes well equipped with jet funnel, fine checkering, adj. sights, trigger stop, commander hammer, ambidextrous safety and many other features.

next week I will receive a british made sabre defence XR 15 M5 - a semi-auto copy of the AR-15/M-16-assault-rifle in .223 Rem with a 16,75` barrel.

jens

Panzerknacker

09-22-2007, 06:16 PM

Did you think that the german gun laws are complicated ?....ha ...try to make the paperwork for a 9mm in Argentina and you ll see. :rolleyes:

the mines

.22 magnum a bolt rifle.

Bersa Thunder 9mm

Bersa Thunder .22lr

IGA 12/76 over and under

Rubi 16/70 single shot shotgun.

I have no decent pictured of guns right now.

BY the way that is a beautiful .45

Gutkowski

09-22-2007, 08:12 PM

I have a few that I shoot
S&W model 15 38 cal police/military
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/IMG_1432.jpg

Savage Stevens Model 124 bolt action shot gun (I have not shot it yet )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/IMG_1610_2.jpg

Auto Ordnance 1911A1
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/IMG_0840.jpg

Auto Ordnance M1928A1 you see all the ATF here LOL Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/IMG_0032.jpg

Gutkowski

09-22-2007, 08:13 PM

M1 Carbine Rockola
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/DSCF0730.jpg

M28 Civil Guards Rifle
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/DSCF0670.jpg

M1 Garand
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/My%20WWII%20Collection/m1.jpg

Sergeant Dorr

09-22-2007, 11:06 PM

I shoot an MP-5

Flammpanzer

09-23-2007, 03:08 AM

Did you think that the german gun laws are complicated ?....ha ...try to make the paperwork for a 9mm in Argentina and you ll see.

thanks, panzerknacker. and yes, it our gun laws complicated and restrictive compared to most other countries. first, you have to be a hunter (complicated here and very expensive) or a sport-shooter. you have to shoot at least one year in a club, than you can ask for a gun. the sports-shooting-federation has to allow this specific gun which you want to buy. but to get one at least, you may not have commited any crimes at all (even the little ones, the police checks this out properly), than you have to make a test (after an instruction course of at least one or two days, practical and theoretical) with an exam at the end. pistols and revolvers are limited to two, semi-auto rifles up to three. you are not allowed to carry them. in the end, it is a long, complicated and expensive way to own a gun, so many quit before they start to think about it. I presume in most US states (and other countries, f.e. belgium or whole scandinavia) it is much easier to get a gun.

some really nice weapons here, btw.

jens

Chevan

09-23-2007, 05:32 AM

Auto Ordnance M1928A1 you see all the ATF here LOL Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/IMG_0032.jpg
Yea .. the computer, beer, Tobacco and excellent automatic rifle - that is all you really need. .....For the discussion;)

Cheers.,

Chevan

09-23-2007, 05:39 AM

Did you think that the german gun laws are complicated ?....ha ...try to make the paperwork for a 9mm in Argentina and you ll see. :rolleyes:

Well may be except the states like Russia where home firearms is forbidden....( except the hunting rifles). If you are have not the special Guard certufication - you could use the firearms pistols legally.

Flammpanzer

09-23-2007, 08:09 AM

well, I have to mention that I am not very surprised to see some really nice classic WW2 weapons here.

another problem with the gun laws here is that they change every 5-10 years - drastically. the last change was in 2003, another is yet to come. often, idiots like him (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoklauf_von_Erfurt) are the reason.

jens

Panzerknacker

09-23-2007, 07:36 PM

thanks, panzerknacker. and yes, it our gun laws complicated and restrictive compared to most other countries. first, you have to be a hunter (complicated here and very expensive) or a sport-shooter. you have to shoot at least one year in a club, than you can ask for a gun. the sports-shooting-federation has to allow this specific gun which you want to buy. but to get one at least, you may not have commited any crimes at all (even the little ones, the police checks this out properly), than you have to make a test (after an instruction course of at least one or two days, practical and theoretical) with an exam at the end. pistols and revolvers are limited to two, semi-auto rifles up to three. you are not allowed to carry them. in the end, it is a long, complicated and expensive way to own a gun, so many quit before they start to think about it. I presume in most US states (and other countries, f.e. belgium or whole scandinavia) it is much easier to get a gun.Wel I must say that actually is more complicated than Argentina, in here you just need to be a registered worker, no need to be afiliated to any sporting association. Well may be except the states like Russia where home firearms is forbidden..My sincere condolences.Nice Garand there Gutkowski.

George Eller

09-24-2007, 02:51 AM

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I have fired all of the weapons that I own or have owned with the exception of the SKS Model 59/66 (haven't got around to that yet). Others that I have owned but sold off are not pictured with the exception of the AR-15.

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I have two Lee-Enfield rifles:
SMLE No 1 Mk III* made at a BSA (Birmingham Small Arms, Co.) controlled company near Birmingham in Shirley, England in 1940.
and No 4 Mk I* made at the Long Branch Arsenal near Toronto, Canada in 1942
Both have issue slings and bayonets.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8600/5enfield15jo.jpg
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Same as above with slightly different lighting:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2161/6enfield86uo.jpg

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Top is my Yugoslavian made SKS Model 59/66 rifle with Russian steel cased 7.62 x 39 mm ammo. Bottom is my brother's M-1 Garand rifle with eight round clip of .30-06 ammo
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4216/8sksm132rh.jpg

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Top is my Ruger Mini-14 (customized with folding buttstock, bipod, etc.) with extra 30-round clips. Bottom is my Ithaca Model 37 slide action 12 gauge riot gun. At right is my Smith & Wesson Model 1955 revolver (.45 ACP) with Model 1917 walnut grips and two half-moon clips of .45 ACP rounds.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6086/9mini1419eu.jpg

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Close up of half-moon clips loaded with .45 ACP rounds, 5.56 x 45mm cartridge, Russian 7.62 x 39mm cartridge, British .303 cartridge, and British Martini-Henry .577-.450 caliber cartridge (of Zulu War fame).
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2233/ammocomparison0bx.jpg

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The Martini-Henry round is a relic from my father's old gun collection of the 1960' - 70's. He sold his Martini-Henry about 1978. Below is a picture of him posing in front of his collection about 1967. Top to bottom: M-1 Carbine, Model 1891 Argentine Mauser, Springfield 1903A3 (Smith & Corona mfr.-1943) and at the bottom is the Martini-Henry. Dad had sporterized both the Mauser and Springfield.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8881/dadwithrifles1960s8nt.jpg

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Colt AR-15 which I sold about 1986.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8743/2coltar151ur.jpg

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Chevan

09-24-2007, 03:55 AM

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Colt AR-15 which I sold about 1986.

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Oh George - you are seller the wearpon?;)
Then farther - then more amazing news about members in here;)

Panzerknacker

09-24-2007, 09:46 AM

Beautiful collection George :D

jacobtowne

09-24-2007, 10:39 AM

I am also interested to know how you use them (hunting, self defence, sports, collecting etc.)

All of the above. I have a carry gun, some military handguns in my collection, commercial handguns for target shooting, rifles and shotguns for hunting.

Fine collections here, gentlemen.

U.S. Pistol, Model of 1911, cal. 45. Made by Colt, shipped November, 1917. Mills cartridge belt and pouch, Warren holster, all dated 1918.

Smith & Wesson M625, cal. .45ACP, discovered under the Christmas tree last December.:D

JT

Sergeant Dorr

09-24-2007, 12:01 PM

I also have this Puppy right here

Sergeant Dorr

09-24-2007, 12:02 PM

damn, can anyone help me get a picture up there

Splinter54

09-24-2007, 02:12 PM

Upload it here:
http://www.imageshack.us/

Get the 'Tumbnails for Forums' line and copy it into your reply ;)

jacobtowne

09-24-2007, 03:43 PM

damn, can anyone help me get a picture up there

Below the message box there is an "attach files" ( "manage attachments") function that allows you to upload directly from your computer.

JT

Panzerknacker

09-24-2007, 06:58 PM

I am also interested to know how you use them (hunting, self defence, sports, collecting etc.) and if you are satisfied with the specific types.

I forgot to aswer this, actually I have most for hunting, fox, hares, partrigde, ducks.

Satisfied ? well, the CZ is a very nice gun and very accurate one, the brazilian shotgun is not excellent but works decently.

In regards of my argentine pistols..I am not satisfied, I am inlove man.

http://guns4u.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/thunder-9-1.jpg

George Eller

09-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Oh George - you are seller the wearpon?;)
Then farther - then more amazing news about members in here;)
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Well Chevan, I am not really a gun dealer although I do have a "Collector of Curios and Relics" license. It allows me to buy certain types of firearms at similar cost to what a dealer would pay (wholesale). It also involves records and paperwork to be kept according to BATF regulations. For the types that I collect now, it works out fine. The AR-15 was sold back to a dealer at the time. :)

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Beautiful collection George :D
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Thanks Panzerknacker :D

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All of the above. I have a carry gun, some military handguns in my collection, commercial handguns for target shooting, rifles and shotguns for hunting.

Fine collections here, gentlemen.

U.S. Pistol, Model of 1911, cal. 45. Made by Colt, shipped November, 1917. Mills cartridge belt and pouch, Warren holster, all dated 1918.

Smith & Wesson M625, cal. .45ACP, discovered under the Christmas tree last December.:D

JT
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Thanks JT :)

You have a pretty fine collection yourself.

And to the rest of the members who posted pics of their firearms - thanks guys. Great collections. :)

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Flammpanzer

09-25-2007, 04:47 AM

Satisfied ?

yep. ;)

the pic you displayed here seems to be a pretty close copy ot the WALTHER P-88, right? at least the outer design is close to it. I have never heard about BERSA before, so it is interesting for me.

jens

Sergeant Dorr

09-25-2007, 11:49 AM

I have This baby right here, Bushmaster M17S. Bullpup. 223 rifle. This is my only gun (other than a winchester 30-30 but I don't have a picture.

Panzerknacker

09-25-2007, 02:43 PM

yep. ;)

the pic you displayed here seems to be a pretty close copy ot the WALTHER P-88, right? at least the outer design is close to it. I have never heard about BERSA before, so it is interesting for me.

http://images.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&q=bersa%20thunder%209mm&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Flammpanzer

09-26-2007, 07:15 AM

okay, here another one (allthough it is more a toy than a real gun) which I sold for my .45 recently. it is a russian-built, CO2-powered rifle (called YUNKER 3) that fires 18 4,5mm round BB-bullets in a semi-auto-mode. you all know them from typical airrifles, like those from MARKSMAN/USA. those things are free here, if you are 18 years and above. the energy is under 7,5 joule. the intesting thing is that this gun was built in the same factory (izhmash in ishevsk), where the real AK-101, AK-74, AKM and others are made. most parts (except the barrel and some details) are identical to the real assault rifle. it is more for collectors than for serious shooters, anyway it is a nice to have item. :rolleyes:

jens

Flammpanzer

09-26-2007, 07:19 AM

some more pics of the cute plinking-gun/toy. btw: you cannot rebuilt to a real gun ... :neutral: I have read, that in russia they have full-auto versions of this type.

jens

Sergeant Dorr

09-26-2007, 08:21 AM

I went out and bought this 308 yesterday and a couple other guns

Sergeant Dorr

09-27-2007, 12:08 PM

and what I use them for... My JOB

bas

09-28-2007, 01:48 AM

My guns?

German:
P.08
P.38
P.35(b) (Browning HP)
P.35(p) (Polish Radom)
MP.40
MP.43
MP.44
Kar98k
MG.34
G.43

Russian:
Nagant m1895 x2
TT.33 x2
PPSh-41
PPS-43
SVT-40 x2
Mosin Nagant m38
Mosin Nagant m44 x2
Mosin Nagant m91/30 x7
Mosin Nagant PU sniper
DP-27
Maxim 1910

Other:
No 4 mkI* x2
Vz.33
Type 56
Type 84
FN FAL G.1
Beretta m34 x2
Finnish m91-24
Finnish m27
Beretta 92fs
Browning Buck-mark .22
Ruger 10/22
Parker Hale .308
Russian Tigr
Ruger Old army
some .45-70 rolling block
Brno Zkk601 .308
Toz m-17
Type-38 carbine
m1 carbine
Portugese m1904/38 mauser
Carcano m38 carbine

I think thats the lot. Of course I only shoot a fraction of those, in part because I hate cleaning guns and also because some I'm not allowed to (like the full-autos). I also have my favourites that I shoot the most.

Sergeant Dorr

09-28-2007, 10:39 AM

why so many

bas

09-28-2007, 03:20 PM

why so many

It's my hobby; some people collect stamps, I collect guns.

Sergeant Dorr

09-28-2007, 07:33 PM

It's my hobby; some people collect stamps, I collect guns.

I know I collect them for my job. You should check out the Iraq Thread and see some of the wepons I took of of dead Iraqi soldiers

Cuts

10-06-2007, 07:43 PM

I know I collect them for my job. You should check out the Iraq Thread and see some of the wepons I took of of dead Iraqi soldiers

Is that Sgt Dorr or Sgt Mitty ?

Firefly

10-08-2007, 08:14 AM

Shame really. He wasnt disruptive at all and actually contributed to the Forum. Ah well, such is life.... Some people cant resist it.

Rising Sun*

10-08-2007, 09:55 AM

And for the real Morgan Dorr, lead singer of Endway, http://www.myspace.com/endway

As for Sgt Dorr's avatar, the 10th Mountain Div has been around in wars old and new, including Iraq. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/10mtn.htm

Gutkowski

10-08-2007, 07:58 PM

I just picked this up today

Flammpanzer

10-15-2007, 11:53 AM

allright, here is my second gun: a sabre defence XR-15 M5 in .223 rem. it is a semi-auto rifle, mil spec with a 2 stage trigger, orig. carry sling and a special pistol grip.

great fun to shoot and a really cool item. :mrgreen: I like the light-weight-feeling compared to the heavy heckler und koch G-3 I used during my army-service.

jens

Flammpanzer

10-15-2007, 11:55 AM

... and some more.

jens

Gutkowski

10-15-2007, 06:09 PM

... and some more.

jens

Looks nice !! Thats the exact one I would like to buy but I dont think the collapsing stock's are legal in our state, what did it run you ? I can get a bushmaster with a M5 package for around $800-$1000 US
I did get a pig sticker for the 97'
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/IMG_1920.jpg

Flammpanzer

10-16-2007, 02:27 AM

I did get a pig sticker for the 97'

cute little thing. so burglars, beware! :mrgreen:

well, I paid 1700,00 Euros for it (new), which is a stunning 2400,00 USD. but the market for legal gun buyers here is quite small (allthough there are a lot of illegal guns) and so the prices are horribly high compared to yours. a doug koenig S&W 1911 costs 2400 euros, I saw one in a US store for 900 dollars, so you get an idea how perverting the prices are.

the foldable stock is from LEAPERS. it looks nice indeed, but is a bit "flimsy" and is shaking a lot more than I like it. I guess, a regular but-stock (A 3?) will provide more precision while shooting.

jens

Gutkowski

10-16-2007, 08:15 PM

cute little thing. so burglars, beware! :mrgreen:

well, I paid 1700,00 Euros for it (new), which is a stunning 2400,00 USD. but the market for legal gun buyers here is quite small (allthough there are a lot of illegal guns) and so the prices are horribly high compared to yours. a doug koenig S&W 1911 costs 2400 euros, I saw one in a US store for 900 dollars, so you get an idea how perverting the prices are.

the foldable stock is from LEAPERS. it looks nice indeed, but is a bit "flimsy" and is shaking a lot more than I like it. I guess, a regular but-stock (A 3?) will provide more precision while shooting.

jens

WOW now that expensive !!!
If you are looking for parts that are expensive for you find it here State side and I will ship it out to you as long as its not a banned item LOL
The place I get the best deals is from http://www.brownells.com/ I have a dealer discount and I dont pay retail

Major Walter Schmidt

01-09-2008, 03:06 AM

I shoot the HAND-Mk.2 with xtra large rubber bands.

32Bravo

01-09-2008, 07:48 AM

I shoot the HAND-Mk.2 with xtra large rubber bands.

Find yourself a woman, Fellah. :D

Moreheaddriller

01-09-2008, 07:47 PM

Well im someone who loves hunting and someone who plans to use lethal force if someone broke in so yes i love to shoot and my guns are as listed

1.Winchester Model76 Shotgun
2.remington premier grade 1100
3.remington 870 wingmaster
4.remington Sportsman 48D
5.harrington and richardson 12 single barrel
6.Kar98k(1941)
7.Mosin 91/30
8.remington 700 Mountain Rifle
9.100 ATR mossberg 30 o6 bolt action
10.Henry 44 mag lev action
11.S and W 357
12.Colt 32 police positive

Flammpanzer

03-14-2008, 09:29 AM

hehe, a nice list.

here is what I bought yesterday:

a .22 ciener conversion-kit for 1911A1 pistols for my trophy match .45ACP. on tuesday I will try this nice thing out. since all sorts of ammo have reached a price-peak during the last years, it is a quite expensive hobby only to shoot with calibers like .45 or even 9mm luger. so the .22 kit helps to save some money in the end (after a few thousand shots, the price for the kit has equaled). for training purposes, the smaller rimfire cartridges will also fit my needs anyway.

and for all persons who brake in my house, I have still some nice .45 ACP hollow points left over that will not be too expensive to use ...

jens

Man of Stoat

03-14-2008, 10:32 AM

Flammpanzer,

NNNNNNNNNNNoooooooooooooo!!!!!!! you bought a sabre defence! For about €200 more you could have had an Oberland arms, which is much better!

The only advantage of the sabre defence is that you can have a military profile barrel,, but that really doesn't make up for the manufacturing problems they have.

Personally, I have an Oberland arms flattop HBAR with an ACE stock, free float tube, and compensator. Next week it will be getting a JP adjustable gas block and a detachable foresight block directly behind the compensator. I would put it on this week, but I have a match on Sunday and rule number one is never to change anything directly before a match!

Flammpanzer

03-14-2008, 10:58 AM

@men of stoat: thank actually for the hint, but I alredy knew that.

btw: the only difference between both is that the finish of the german built OA is a bit better, but the SAs finish is more military-like. the quality is exactly the same. well, the carry handle OA uses is from armalite while SA fits a cheaper chinese part. the precision of both is abs. equal. I have the book VISIER SPECIAL Nr. 37 "M-16 und AR 15" - both rifles (in all available variants) were tested intensively and there is really no difference - except the finish as mentioned. the book dates back to 2005.

jens

Man of Stoat

03-15-2008, 07:12 AM

I actually have some insider knowledge here on Sabre. If you get a good one, it is as good as any military spec, however there are certain fabrication problems, particularly in the upper receiver, with the bolt way not necessarily being concentric or indeed cylindrical, the scope rail being out of true by a surprisingly large amount, the hole in the lower receiver through which the trigger protrudes being cut incorrectly (lots of them were hand filed to fit).

Take a Sabre and an Oberland and run the bolt back and forward a few times. The difference is remarkable! One obnoxious thing that Oberland have done, however, aside from not providing light barrels, is using their own bespoke thread on the muzzle so that you have to use their own brand compensator which does not direct gas upwards. I sincerely hope that the barrel extension thread is the same as the American AR 15s when it comes to change my barrel!

You would be amazed at the number of receivers and barrels that end up being junked at the Sabre factory!

Nickdfresh

03-15-2008, 07:14 AM

...
and for all persons who brake in my house, I have still some nice .45 ACP hollow points left over that will not be too expensive to use ...

jens

Ouch!:shock:

Moreheaddriller

03-15-2008, 05:58 PM

Ouch!:shock:

a 357 can do the same job now how's that for "ouch":mrgreen:

Flammpanzer

03-16-2008, 07:37 AM

hehe, even some well placed .22 will do this job. :mrgreen: I think it is more important where you hit your oppenent than the caliber, sort of bullet and the Vo. anyway, a .357 is also a very good self defencive cartridge.

jens

Nickdfresh

03-16-2008, 09:04 AM

a 357 can do the same job now how's that for "ouch":mrgreen:

Probably not good for the drywall if you miss. :shock: And there is an overpenetration problem with such high velocity ammo, personally, I'd go with a nice, slow moving .45ACP...

Panzerknacker

03-17-2008, 07:21 PM

Nice to see so many armed people here :mrgreen:

George Eller

03-17-2008, 09:45 PM

Probably not good for the drywall if you miss. :shock: And there is an overpenetration problem with such high velocity ammo, personally, I'd go with a nice, slow moving .45ACP...
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I would have to agree with that. My dad used to quote gun experts from the 1960's (when I was a kid) that were of the same opinion and for the same reasons. The .45 was considered ideal for home defense. Bullet of low velocity but large mass gave stopping power but not overpenetration.

IIRC, wasn't the .357 designed for law enforcement with car penetration in mind.

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Flammpanzer

03-18-2008, 06:22 AM

Rising Sun*

03-18-2008, 07:10 AM

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IIRC, wasn't the .357 designed for law enforcement with car penetration in mind.

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That's my understanding, but that it was to go through the thick car bodies of the time rather then engine blocks as is often said.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/docs/Mar_08_Classic_handguns1.pdf

Moreheaddriller

03-18-2008, 10:14 PM

well another good defence caliber in my mind is the .41 caliber which i feel dosent get the credit it deserves as a good cartridge

BriteLite

03-23-2008, 05:45 AM

Up until health issues stopped me, I used to hunt frequently. Mainly white tail deer and occassionly turkey/dove/quail.

Hunting:
Belgian Browning auto rifle, 30.06, beautiful longe range piece
Browning BPS 10 Gauge pump shotgun, deer killer 2 3/4oz slugs accurate to 60 yds., favorite deer and turkey gun
Ruger Single Six 22 cal pistol, shotshell for rodents, club had ongoing battle to keep camp rat free

Home:
Charter Arms 44 special revolver, 2" barrel, my go-to, 15' or less game over
Llama 45 auto, cheap but good shooter
Tanarmi 9mm auto, 18 shot capacity, stainless inside, wife is a dead shot with this
No name 22 revolver, wife's pea shooter

Fun:
Ruger mini-30 carbine, added folding stock/flash hider, shoots 7.62x39 Russian, even sounds like AK, evil looking
Ivers Johnson M-1 carbine, ammo is cheap and fun to shoot
Uzi carbine version 9mm, semi auto, bought for $300 from a truck driver in the 90's, he needed cash, simplest gun ever to breakdown
Winchester Model 94 30/30 lever action rifle, my Dad's rifle, dependable

Saved the best for last:
Walther PPK 32 auto(7.65mm), bought from friend in 1975 for $400, Came with original shoulder holster, his dad retrieved from dead LW officer in Italy 1944, original US Army paperwork states same, beautiful piece, no rust/pitting, blueing slightly worn at action from use

As I stated health issues stopped hunting but I even though wife thinks some could be sold I will never sell any. When I am gone she can sell em.:)

Edited for clarity, Thanks Flammpanzer

Flammpanzer

03-23-2008, 05:49 AM

wife is dead shot with

hm, for anyone who is not a native speaker (like I am), this sounds a bit scaring .... :mrgreen:

jens

tankgeezer

03-24-2008, 10:14 PM

very true, the "old, fat, slow lady" .45 is a brilliant home defence caliber for the reasons you posted.

the 9x19mm "luger" or "para" has also the tendency to overpentrate, which showed off in many police shooting incidents here.

the .357 derived from the .38 special, which was considered to be too weak to stop an attacker immediately and for sure.

jens
The .357 mag. cartridge, although it is a descendant of the .38 spl. it is loaded far hotter, and has velocity equal to the 9mm para. using a much heavier slug. The .357 case is made 1/10 and inch longer, than the spl. not for the extra powder required, but as a measure of safety to prevent their being used in a weapon chambered for the spl. The most effective slug for social working is the 158 gr. semi-wadcutter, it provides the most damage in the wound canal.

tankgeezer

03-24-2008, 10:33 PM

Alright, I know some folks have been wondering about my little pet, the Lahti Anti-Tank rifle. i have a few pics of it and me, so here they are, Pardon the jumble in the background, I'm just finishing up a move.
The rifle is a bit more than 8 ft in length,weighs in at 125 lbs loaded with a 10 rd mag. This is one of about 400 pieces still capable of firing. (yes it makes a great throaty boom) . And being a later version, fires the 20x138 cartridge.The German ammo seems to work better than the Finn 1941 stuff, and comes in greater variety. it is supposed to perf 2" of period armor, but I dont know at what range. I do know that at 300mtr, it will hole a 3" plate of mild steel and continue on its way.(tracers are wonderful things.) P.K. Lets go rabbit hunting :)

George Eller

03-25-2008, 01:26 PM

tankgeezer

03-25-2008, 02:44 PM

Thank you George, it is a delight to fire, but gives a mighty shove against your shoulder. The flash hider is canted to keep the side mounted sights as clear as possible, they are much like the 98 mauser sights only larger. A friend also had one of these, and the 3" plate was his target, it was propped against a granite rock the size of a comp. monitor, and behind that, was a gravel berm 10 ft high. the range was on the edge of Lake Michigan, and when he fired, the round went through the plate, broke the rock, through the berm, and arced out over the lake.
If I was the commander of a Russ BT7, during the winter war, I would not want to look through the binoculars and see that muzzle looking back......

George Eller

03-25-2008, 03:07 PM

Thank you George, it is a delight to fire, but gives a mighty shove against your shoulder. The flash hider is canted to keep the side mounted sights as clear as possible, they are much like the 98 mauser sights only larger. A friend also had one of these, and the 3" (thick mild steel) plate was his target, it was propped against a granite rock the size of a comp. monitor, and behind that, was a gravel berm 10 ft high. the range was on the edge of Lake Michigan, and when he fired, the round went through the plate, broke the rock, through the berm, and arced out over the lake.
If I was the commander of a Russ BT7, during the winter war, I would not want to look through the binoculars and see that muzzle looking back......
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:shock:

Definitely wouldn't want to see that muzzle looking back...

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1890&stc=1&d=1206472125

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Moreheaddriller

03-25-2008, 06:13 PM

Just throwin this out here but any one know where to possibly find a mp40 or even a remake of this gun

tankgeezer

03-25-2008, 07:05 PM

Just throwin this out here but any one know where to possibly find a mp40 or even a remake of this gun
if you mean a non shooting replica, the is, or was a company that sold replicas of most famous or infamous weapons. As far as shooters go, i think you would be limited to the available Class III offerings found in shotgun news, and other such advertising periodicals. google should lead the way for you.

Panzerknacker

03-25-2008, 07:09 PM

Man, you are a fortunate shooter, I could use that for overtrow goverments that I dont like... just like the current one.

Beautiful pics Tankgeezer.:D

Moreheaddriller

03-25-2008, 08:23 PM

Thanks for the insight geez and plus nice kick ass gun

tankgeezer

03-25-2008, 08:58 PM

Man, you are a fortunate shooter, I could use that for overtrow goverments that I dont like... just like the current one.

Beautiful pics Tankgeezer.:D
Its handy for dealing with door to door sales people, and for the moment of "Oh, your here to date my daughter????"

tankgeezer

03-25-2008, 11:00 PM

Just throwin this out here but any one know where to possibly find a mp40 or even a remake of this gun
www.replicaweaponry.com they offer an MP-40 for $389.00

Rising Sun*

03-26-2008, 06:41 AM

Alright, I know some folks have been wondering about my little pet, the Lahti Anti-Tank rifle.
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The rifle is a bit more than 8 ft in length,weighs in at 125 lbs loaded with a 10 rd mag. This is one of about 400 pieces still capable of firing. (yes it makes a great throaty boom) . And being a later version, fires the 20x138 cartridge.The German ammo seems to work better than the Finn 1941 stuff, and comes in greater variety. it is supposed to perf 2" of period armor, but I dont know at what range. I do know that at 300mtr, it will hole a 3" plate of mild steel and continue on its way.(tracers are wonderful things.) P.K. Lets go rabbit hunting :)

Do you think that might be just a little too much gun for a bunny? :D

tankgeezer

03-26-2008, 08:25 AM

Do you think that might be just a little too much gun for a bunny? :D
the trick to Bunny hunting is that they are very fast. So, the best way to get them is to aim ahead a bit, and shoot the ground out from under them. They fall in the crater, and you have a bagged bunny. :) Also, you can do it from a mile away,,,,:twisted:

Nickdfresh

03-26-2008, 08:55 AM

Its handy for dealing with door to door sales people, and for the moment of "Oh, your here to date my daughter????"

Or a panzer trying to break in to your house.

Rising Sun*

03-26-2008, 09:16 AM

the trick to Bunny hunting is that they are very fast. So, the best way to get them is to aim ahead a bit, and shoot the ground out from under them. They fall in the crater, and you have a bagged bunny. :) Also, you can do it from a mile away,,,,:twisted:

Our bunnies would be quite surprised by this.

Mostly they just create craters in the landscape, and nowhere as long as a mile away.

There may be a certain justice in using big gun thingys against them. :D

Although you could probably save a bit of ammo by just firing that bloody great thing into the ground in the general direction of their burrows, which should kill countless bunnies by concussion. Or earthquake. :D

Which, just seriously for a moment, was what happened in Vietnam when Australian tanks learnt to fire AP into entrenched VC positions and blew them out where other ammo wouldn't.

tankgeezer

03-26-2008, 02:15 PM

Or a panzer trying to break in to your house.
Pesky Panzers, they are always trying to come through the door,,, As bad as Amway salesmen.....:)

Panzerknacker

03-26-2008, 07:01 PM

and for the moment of "Oh, your here to date my daughter????"

I have no daughter but a 15 years old little sister...it could be useful in that aspect against unwanted boyfriends. :cool:

tankgeezer

03-26-2008, 10:54 PM

I have no daughter but a 15 years old little sister...it could be useful in that aspect against unwanted boyfriends. :cool:
Just give me a call,,, i can probably wing em' from here:shock:

Flammpanzer

03-27-2008, 07:14 AM

geezer, you got me wrong ;) I related tro the .38 spec as a cartridge that was judged to be too weak in terms of stopping power. the .357 mag. is a brilliant and very potent cartridge!

and regarding the desire for a MP 40 that is a able to shoot:

http://www.ssd-weapon.com/produkte/bd38/bd38.htm

this small german company also builds a FG 42, the german sten-copy from WW2 and the StgW 44. not cheap, but well built and realistic. german gun-magazines quoted those rifles as good with only small flaws (www.visier.de f. e.).

jens

tankgeezer

03-27-2008, 11:28 AM

Quote: "geezer, you got me wrong I related tro the .38 spec as a cartridge that was judged to be too weak in terms of stopping power. the .357 mag. is a brilliant and very potent cartridge!"
You are correct Sir! I realized my error only after I had posted my reply. So sorry good sir.

SuperTroll

03-31-2008, 04:08 PM

Matched pair of Sig Sauer P226's (Weapon I carried in the US Army) My Concealed Carry Weapon is the Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W.

Mossberg 3000 Police Model Riot Shotgun (12GA).

KelTech SU16 5.56MM Rifle.

Yes weapons are easier to obtain in the US but we still must apply for a permit to carry, and to purchase a firearm a background check is required.

Moreheaddriller

03-31-2008, 09:23 PM

Panzer dude thanks for the sight

Grot

04-08-2008, 10:24 PM

Just throwin this out here but any one know where to possibly find a mp40 or even a remake of this gun

Here is a company in the US making them:
http://www.alliedarmament.com/MP40.html
Their PPSH is nice too.

Grot

04-08-2008, 10:44 PM

I have a few that I shoot (rarely) but I am mostly a collector. Here is my favorite that I never shot and probably never will:
1943 US M1903A4
http://www.fireteamzulu.com/assets/images/db_images/db_m1903a4_Right.jpg

http://www.fireteamzulu.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Left.jpg

Here is a pic from the guy I bought it from (he takes much better pictures than me):
http://www.fireteamzulu.com/assets/images/db_images/db_sd1.jpg

Panzerknacker

04-08-2008, 10:56 PM

Hmm, is a shame that such precise weapon is not used ;)

Grot

04-08-2008, 11:27 PM

Hmm, is a shame that such precise weapon is not used ;)

I agree, but because I paid quite a bit for this rifle and and the scope is 65 years old (and rare) I don't want to take any chances damaging it. I am quite sure the scope can still handle the recoil but if it cannot I don't want to find out the hard way :(. I have other rifles from this period that cost me a lot less that I have fired but I rarely find time to go to the range so I consider myself more of a collector.

RifleMan20

04-08-2008, 11:27 PM

Shoot, am jealous, I cant get a gun till i turn 18 and my guess is that my parents still wont let me have one

Flammpanzer

06-23-2008, 11:10 AM

hi again!

czech this out! ;-)

so, here is my new and maybe last handgun - we are only allowed to own 2 here (plus 3 semi-auto rifles and nearly unlimited bolt-action rifles). normal side-by-side or over-and-under-shotguns are more simple to aquire, but pump-action versions are also limited (only 1). to get 3 or more handguns needs some efforts which I am not willing to endure at this time.

it is czech built CZ 75 B in bright polished stainless, built 2007. the caliber is 9x19mm (LUGER or PARA). I shot the gun some days ago with S&B ammunition, but it seems that some more precision can be achieved with other catridges.

the gun is stock, but has the more conveniant hogue-wrap-around-grips. the original parts seem to be a bit flimsy, but the gun has a very fine finish, much much better than you might expect it from a former "eastern block" country.

jens

imi

06-23-2008, 11:51 AM

Flammpanzer:in the first site that 45 was beautiful!!!!

imi

06-29-2008, 01:12 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Walther_P22_Corrected.jpg
Walther P22
Very good ergonomic,perfect wear under clothes(small),cal 22 so not too noisy

Flammpanzer

07-05-2008, 05:28 PM

nice little gun, IMI. I like the design that is one more of a big-caliber gun.

maybe interesting to know that here in germany there exists a CS-gas-blank-version of the p-22 that is built by walther/umarex. the "real" gun and the blank-firer share a lot of components, but the gas-version cannot be converted to a live-firing device anyway.

jens

tankgeezer

07-12-2008, 09:40 PM

Although its not mine, I would like to spend the day playing with this one. Its the only extant,operable example of the T-8 cannon in private handshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvncpT4EVzQ

Flammpanzer

08-16-2008, 02:07 PM

hello everybody!

here is my newest toy, a remington 870 tactical 12 gauge. :mrgreen:

jens

Flammpanzer

08-16-2008, 02:11 PM

...and some more stuff. I like the rugged construction, anyway, the "blasted"-coating is quite prone to scratches, although it should be tuffer than a blued version.

the tube-mag holds 7 rounds plus one in the chmaber. barrel lenght is 51cm.

jens ;)

boxerrick41

08-17-2008, 09:53 AM

george,
you are the man. what a collection. i have a remington 1100 12 gauge, a british .303 that i deer hunt with and my black powder rifle, which i have hunted with once( turkey)

aerwulf6814

08-24-2008, 11:27 AM

For duty use i carry one of two trp springfield armory 1911a1's or if i don't want the seat belt latch eating my grip panels one of two xd pistols, have'nt settled on a rifle yet.CURRENTLY TRYING OUT A COPY OF THE 940 WIEGER AS MADE BY I.O. AN AK KNOCK OFF. -BD

George Eller

08-25-2008, 12:05 AM

george,
you are the man. what a collection. i have a remington 1100 12 gauge, a british .303 that i deer hunt with and my black powder rifle, which i have hunted with once( turkey)
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Thanks Rick :)

I have had this thing for the British Lee-Enfield .303 since my teenage years. In my early twenties, I worked with a couple guys that hunted deer with sporterized Lee-Enfields. They were very satisfied with the rifle's performance. I bought both of mine through ads in the Shotgun News. The No 4 Mk I from Sarco and the SMLE Mk III through a small company called British Arms Company Ltd. Both were bought back in the 1980's. I have only used them for target shooting at local outdoor ranges.

I did get a chance to fire a black powder Hawkin percussion rifle while I was in the boy scouts back in the early 1970's. It was at summer camp in east Texas at a place called Camp Strake. One of my brothers and I were the first persons in the history of the camp to ever hit a bullseye on the black powder range. Each of the scouts was only given one shot ...

The Remington is a good shotgun. What I like about the Ithaca is that as long as you hold the trigger back (without letting off) the gun will fire as fast as you can pump the slide. With rapid fire, it sounds almost like a Bofors anti-aircraft gun.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showpost.php?p=109149&postcount=11

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Panzerknacker

08-25-2008, 08:27 PM

here is my newest toy, a remington 870 tactical 12 gauge

Not quite the germans favorite kind of gun...nice toy you got :mrgreen:

Flammpanzer

08-29-2008, 03:07 PM

hehe, you thought a Kar98 or StGw 44 would fit better, did you? :mrgreen:

shotguns are quite popular among sport-shooters here, but our hunters disregard the pump-guns as some sort of gangster-guns. hunting has a very strong traditional aspect over here .... but I have to admit that a side-by-side or over-and-under shotgun has greater precision compared to a normal pump action. I have shot all of them on an indoor-range at moving targets.

anyway, a pump-action is MUCH COOLER!

jens