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Rising Sun*
08-23-2007, 08:57 AM
Shaggy Ridge was an important battle in New Guinea by Australians against the Japanese, but it's notable also for the terrain.

You settle in with your company on the razorback leading to the two forward pimples. The ridge falls away in sheer declivities and the top is, in places, no more than a few inches wide. The forward platoon holds a sand-bagged sniper's post and beyond that the Japs hold Intermediate Pimple and Green Sniper Pimple. There is no way of advance along the top. Men can move only in single file where the path is so narrow.
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-battles/ww2/shaggy-ridge.htm


The terrain. The first picture doesn't give you a real sense of it.


http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6015/shaggyridgeqt3.jpg



Here's some detail around the top third of the previous picture, with the ringed areas being some of the weapon pits with men in them.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4596/shaggyridgedetailbigmenwr0.jpg



Here's some clear detail, which shows what lousy terrain it was to attack. There was only one way to get up there and displace the enemy.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3566/shaggyridgedetaillg0.jpg



Some of the Australians who fought there.


http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5459/shaggyridgesoldiersom2.jpg



In how many places have you seen those sorts of faces and eyes before?

Chevan
08-23-2007, 12:36 PM
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5459/shaggyridgesoldiersom2.jpg



In how many places have you seen those sorts of faces and eyes before?

Oh nice guys;)
Let me guess mate..ummmn ... yea... "The Pirates of Caribbean" ;)
Yes the second guy from the left definitely shoted in this film.

P.S. Good infor mate.

Digger
08-31-2007, 10:06 AM
I knew diggers who fought in New Guinea and their descriptions of the conditions and the terrain are actually worse than the photographs.

digger

Rising Sun*
08-31-2007, 08:54 PM
I knew diggers who fought in New Guinea and their descriptions of the conditions and the terrain are actually worse than the photographs.

digger


Definitely.

Here's an AWM pic of some lucky Aussies at Sanananda. They're lucky because they've constructed a bridge to keep them out of the water in the swamp. A lot of others just had to sit in the water.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/760/sananandald7.jpg

The AWM caption is: Sanananda Track, Papua, January 1943: Australians of the 2/7th Cavalry Regiment in a waterlogged fox hole. They are in a forward position less than 30 yards from enemy positions and the photographer who took this picture could hear the Japanese soldiers talking.
http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.nsf/research-print/883BA42EEFB9119ACA256946001EF8AE?OpenDocument

Digger
09-01-2007, 05:33 AM
Quite simply, a bastard of a place to live in let alone fight a war.

digger

Uyraell
02-11-2009, 11:34 PM
Quite simply, a bastard of a place to live in let alone fight a war.

digger

Ever seen the poem "Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels" ?
Written about the PNG aspect of the war, and the poor suffering troops and natives in combat there.
Granted, it may have been a "minor campaign" in the over-all scheme of things.
However, those who fought in it deserve every atom of respect that may come their collective way.
Cheers to the Aussies, from a Kiwi.

Regards, Uyraell.

Rising Sun*
02-12-2009, 02:49 AM
Granted, it may have been a "minor campaign" in the over-all scheme of things.

It doesn't seem to be well known outside some Australian and serious American military history circles, but it certainly wasn't minor. Without it, MacArthur would never have returned to the Philippines. It seems to be one of those campaigns that made a major contribution to victory but which for some reason are ignored or forgotten.

It was by far the most sustained campaign in the Pacific war and, with Guadalcanal, the most important campaign in the first couple of years of the Pacific war because it stopped the Japanese advance and laid the foundations for the thrust to the Philippines.

The completion of the New Guinea campaign marked the successful execution of the primary mission of the Southwest Pacific Forces, which was to extend control to the westward and establish bases from which the Allies could launch attacks against, first the Philippines, then Formosa, and finally the Japanese mainland.
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/USSBS/PTO-Campaigns/USSBS-PTO-8.html p. 185

However, few people realise how important it was, and notably in America despite a huge and sustained American contribution to that campaign. For some reason the focus is usually on the central Pacific thrust towards Japan later in the war, and for that matter while the New Guinea campaign was continuing.

In a way, for three years the Pacific war really took place in New Guinea. It was an important side theatre that for the length of the war conveniently pinned down 350,000 elite Japanese troops as MacArthur island-hopped his way to Tokyo.

In New Guinea, Japan lost 220,000 troops.[46] In a land that was never imagined to become a battlefield, not by late-Tokugawa southward advance protagonists who envisaged the Philippines as a possible war theatre, not by Meiji intellectuals who saw the prize in Malaya and in Indonesia, not even by the General Staff at the outbreak of war.

It is an irony of Pacific war history that several other islands come to mind immediately when we speak of action in the Pacific, but not New Guinea. The many battles there are little known, except to specialists who study that place and period and to people in Australia, although the war on that island was the most drawn out and frustrating of battles in the Pacific war. http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/remember.nsf/pages/NT00002FAA


The New Guinea Campaign is really the story of two Allied armies fighting two kinds of war--one of grinding attrition and one of classic maneuver. During the attrition period, from January 1943 until January 1944, Australian infantrymen carried the bulk of ground combat while the Americans reconstituted, reinforced, and readied themselves for the maneuver phase of the campaign. During attrition warfare characteristic of eastern New Guinea ground operations through the seizure of the Saidor in January 1944, the Allies suffered more than 24,000 battle casualties; about 70 percent (17,107) were Australians. All this to advance the front line 300 miles in 20 months. But following the decisive Hollandia, Netherlands New Guinea, envelopment in April 1944, losses were 9,500 battle casualties, mainly American, to leap 1,300 miles in just 100 days and complete the reconquest of the great island.

The series of breathtaking landings, often within a few weeks of one another, were the fruits of the Australians' gallant effort in eastern New Guinea. They fought the Japanese to a standstill at Wau and then pushed a fanatical foe back to the Huon Peninsula. This gave Sixth Army the time to train and to prepare American forces for the amphibious assaults that MacArthur envisioned. It also bought the time to bring the industrial capacity of America to bear in the Southwest Pacific. Aircraft, ships, landing craft, ammunition, medicine, equipment--in short, the sinews of war--gradually found their way to MacArthur's fighting men.
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-NewGuinea/index.html pp. 29-30

Australia made the major army contribution to the New Guinea campaign during its main offensive phase.

For the first two years of operations Australian troops formed the bulk of the forces fighting in the South-West Pacific Area. Indeed, at no stage did the proportion of Australians involved drop below 65%.
Charlton, Peter, The Unnecessary War: Island Campaigns in the South-West Pacific 1944-45, Macmillan, Melbourne, 1983, p.11

Uyraell
02-13-2009, 01:41 AM
I completely agree with you.
I know some details of the campaign, though am no specialist therein.
I should have used the phrase "perceived as minor" which would have been a more balanced and more just descriptor.
Again though, my Profound Respects the those who fought in it.

Regards, Uyraell.