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Berns
08-18-2007, 01:56 PM
Sorry guys, but I didn't find the section in object...
Can I open one discussion about my research on the Gothic Line near Florence (italian front), whit my MD? :confused:

Thanks in advance...;)

pdf27
08-18-2007, 03:13 PM
Not a problem if your subject doesn't fit exactly into one of the existing categories. I'd suggest either German Military in WW2 (http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45) or General WW2 discussion (http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=43). Most people tend to use the "New Posts" link to search for new stuff anyway, so the forum you choose tends to quickly become irrelevant anyway.

New material from any source is always welcome by the way.

Berns
08-19-2007, 04:37 AM
Grazie! ;) I'm going...

Berns
08-19-2007, 04:52 AM
Here we are with my photos and tales about my hobby: keep out from the WW2 battlefield a lot of american, germans, british, object, with my metal detector.

Near Florence, in Italy, were I was born there is the Gothic Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Line). Huge battlefield in mountain (not over 1500 m) where americans and britsh lost many equipments on the terrein... germans object insteand is too diffucult to find out!

Here we are some photos with explain... I think too update this section sometimes if you are interested. ;)

Me and my friend (I know him on a MD forum, photo taken by my brother). In this photos we extract 200 cal. 45 - Thompson or pistol ammo
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6605/imgp1701xc0.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp1701xc0.jpg) http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6331/imgp1698cm7.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp1698cm7.jpg) http://www.alfa-proj.cz/picture/Katalog/zbrane/prislusenstvi/strelivo/strelivo_45auto_big.jpg

Berns
08-19-2007, 05:11 AM
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/894/pict0088nx0.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict0088nx0.jpg)

Here we found 2 .50 browning ammo (open), one with tracer (the right one on the top) and normal on the left...

Inthe bottom right 4 ammo for Winchester M1 Carabine and in the center the rest of MK2 handgranade.

In the bottom left, I dont' remember... pistol cartridge, but not of a WW2 gun :(

pdf27
08-19-2007, 07:36 AM
Just a note - be very careful if you do find unfired ammunition. Propellant may deteriorate and become less stable over time. Personally I would leave any unfired ammunition where it is, but this is obviously your choice.

tankgeezer
08-19-2007, 08:02 AM
That is great work Berns,, its fun to see how you collect your prizes.Here down south, there are groups doing the very same thing looking for relics of the American Civil
war. Still there is much to be discovered, from spent bullets, to buttons, buckles, dropped weapons, and the always popular cannon balls, and shells. Also a word of caution regarding U.S. .50 cal ammo, the bullets themselves, may have an incindiary pack in the tip of the bullet, so if you encounter unfired ammo, it may have this in it. there is no fuze, just the impact will set it off, so be careful with them. spent bullets should be okay, but you never know. Spent cases are fine, nothing there to cause harm. And yes, i would like to see more when you can.

Berns
08-19-2007, 08:54 AM
Just a note - be very careful if you do find unfired ammunition. Propellant may deteriorate and become less stable over time. Personally I would leave any unfired ammunition where it is, but this is obviously your choice.

yes it is correct... by the way, we know what we seek and we pay attemption, especially whe we dig them. ;) Sometimes we leave object that seem dangerous such as granede with phosphorus member... :roll:

Berns
08-19-2007, 09:09 AM
Also a word of caution regarding U.S. .50 cal ammo, the bullets themselves, may have an incindiary pack in the tip of the bullet

Yes find out them! :( We didn't keep obviously but we often find any kind of ammo, opened. I don't know why especially americans open for example Garand ammo... to ignite a fire? To cook someting? :confused:strange but not rare... ;) Sometimes the empty cartridge appears with its ball threaded into wrong way...

We find out many USA object in a place where were an america camp in 1944... ammonition but also buttons (in the center of next pic) and another interesting thing: commemorative bracelet (in the right)!!! watch out: On the left a gun oilcan mayby...
http://img162.imagevenue.com/loc678/th_32625_Ritrovamenti_Galliano_Aprile_2007_002_122 _678lo.jpg (http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=32625_Ritrovamenti_Galliano_Aprile_2 007_002_122_678lo.jpg)

tankgeezer
08-19-2007, 10:51 AM
That is really nice stuff. We'll have to start calling you "Indiana Berns" . My Father's uniform had buttons of that type on it, he was with the forces of occupation in Japan.

Gutkowski
08-20-2007, 06:22 PM
Please post more when you get more photos

Berns
08-21-2007, 08:54 AM
That is really nice stuff. We'll have to start calling you "Indiana Berns" . My Father's uniform had buttons of that type on it, he was with the forces of occupation in Japan.

Yes... generally in Italy we found this type and the other one with US sign on it? You know? ;)



Please post more when you get more photos

Sorry, the next week end for the next update... I have my archive on local hard disk at home! :roll:

Berns
08-25-2007, 07:04 AM
here we are (found on M. Calvi, near Futa Pass):

http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc823/th_43368_Andrea_001_122_823lo.jpg (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43368_Andrea_001_122_823lo.jpg)http://img171.imagevenue.com/loc880/th_43374_fulminante-calvi_122_880lo.jpg (http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43374_fulminante-calvi_122_880lo.jpg)http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc600/th_43375_matdel0306001zq0_122_600lo.jpg (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43375_matdel0306001zq0_122_600lo.jpg )

on the left 2 american bazooka ammo (withou explosive), on center a bottom part of american 60mm mortar round, and in the right photo many Garand ammo (only cartridge and not), fired balls, and one 60mm mortar tail...

tankgeezer
08-25-2007, 09:16 AM
:DYou have been a busy bee there Berns,, do you know the diameter of the bazooka rocket? metric or inches is fine. That is some very nice work! I dont know what you are doing with your finds, but they may be of value if offered on ebay,or other military collectible sites.

Berns
08-25-2007, 01:52 PM
60mm mortar ammo
http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc818/th_67857_mortaio_americana_60mm_122_818lo.jpg (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67857_mortaio_americana_60mm_122_818 lo.jpg)

Bazooka with different ammo, mine is the left one.
http://img125.imagevenue.com/loc864/th_67862_varbazookall0_122_864lo.jpg (http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67862_varbazookall0_122_864lo.jpg)

Berns
08-25-2007, 02:00 PM
:DYou have been a busy bee there Berns,, do you know the diameter of the bazooka rocket? metric or inches is fine. That is some very nice work! I dont know what you are doing with your finds, but they may be of value if offered on ebay,or other military collectible sites.

Diameter is about 7cm...

If I find only one I clean and conserve it, but for many same recoverys I give someone to my friends or exchenge it whit other searcher ;)
It's difficult, sometimes, sell them on ebay... yuo are interested to? :cool:
I have one american 57mm antithank fired balls to sell (found near german tranch)... ;)

tankgeezer
08-25-2007, 06:01 PM
That would be about the size of a Bazooka rocket, I've never seen one thats been recovered. i don't collect ordnance anymore, but I thought maybe if you had enough, selling it may pay for your expeditions,,

Berns
09-02-2007, 05:17 AM
Hallo guys... this week were too hot to go to search in Italy!
But here we have some 57mm (long about 20 cm) and 37mm american antitank round, firend near the Futa Pass.

I clean those "guys" whit pure hydrochloric acid, and then soap/water, and then trasparant acrilic spray to prevent any kind of oxide.


http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc610/th_27932_57mm-08072007_122_610lo.jpg (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27932_57mm-08072007_122_610lo.jpg) http://img136.imagevenue.com/loc236/th_27932_08072007_122_236lo.jpg (http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27932_08072007_122_236lo.jpg)

Berns
09-02-2007, 07:02 AM
57mm_Gun_M1_-_Saint-Malon_Bretagne
http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc836/th_34292_57mm_Gun_M1_-_Saint-Malon_Bretagne_122_836lo.jpg (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34292_57mm_Gun_M1_-_Saint-Malon_Bretagne_122_836lo.jpg)

http://img131.imagevenue.com/loc600/th_34302_37mm_USA_122_600lo.jpg (http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34302_37mm_USA_122_600lo.jpg)

tankgeezer
09-02-2007, 10:28 PM
Great work as always Berns. Its a treat to see all of your finds.:)

tankgeezer
09-04-2007, 08:20 AM
Hi Berns, I dont know for sure if there is an initiator still attached to the fuze body, but usually, there is a short tube extending down from the body, with the initiator crimped to it. looks like a blasting cap, I cant tell from the pic if you have a live fuze, so I've attached some pics to illustrate.

Berns
09-05-2007, 04:07 AM
Hi Guys,
The dug grenade fuze that Burns posted is 100% inert, I can tell from that pic that the detonator has been blown already.

Quote this! The detonatotor is empty so it is inert! ;)

Berns
09-05-2007, 04:12 AM
here one interesting photo: my ancient collegues! ;)
This pic was taken in Viareggio, in Italy (1h car time, west from Florence)

http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc844/th_83577_VIAREGGIO_122_844lo.jpg (http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=83577_VIAREGGIO_122_844lo.jpg)

tankgeezer
09-06-2007, 09:50 AM
I am glad the fuze body is spent,, i just couldnt be sure by the pic, (and,its been 30+ yrs,,,) so sorry 'bout that,,,

Berns
09-22-2007, 11:31 AM
Hi guys!
One photo of my exposed collection... in my linving room... what do you recognize? :)

Sorry about quality, it's a phone pic.
http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc337/th_78637_22092007_122_337lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78637_22092007_122_337lo.jpg)

tankgeezer
09-22-2007, 12:44 PM
The bust holding the helmet is of you? lol, 2 mortar rounds the 37mm and 75mm m-59 body, (looks like,) two rifle cartriges,, not sure of caliber beyond possibly a 7.92 kurtz, and a reg. 8mm, or 30-06. Good work Berns,, nice lot of pieces. Now go find us a tank,,,,:)

Berns
09-24-2007, 08:19 AM
You like plaing!! :P

The geman mortar is a 80mm round... the two cartridge are: the left one 1 for AK-47 and the right one is 7,92 (for GArand o Springfield...)

The granade is a WW1 ialian handgranede called SIPE (it's a present from my friend)

tankgeezer
09-24-2007, 06:02 PM
A very nice collection Berns, and all the better because you went and found those pieces for yourself.
Thats not something we here in the States can do. perhaps in the few places left, we might find some relics of the American Civil War, Most are closed to searching. the only allowable places are on private land. good work for sure.

Berns
10-10-2007, 10:31 AM
Hallo folks! :)

Other objects find out near Rome (where is my job).

http://img42.imagevenue.com/loc881/th_44030_07102007_122_881lo.jpg (http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=44030_07102007_122_881lo.jpg)

Two german hand-granade, one .50 browning, one garand, unidentified cartridge (italian Vetterli ?) and one green german tracer! ;)

p.s. it's a phone photo... sorry! ;)

ww2admin
10-11-2007, 05:51 PM
Oh wow, that's neat!