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tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 02:04 PM
I took a bike ride down to the patton Museum in Kentucky, and found the last and lonely T-28 on display there. This is one very massive machine, and in itself was worth the trip to see it. The pics do not convey the immenseness and gravity of the thing, but if it helps, the side skirt armor is 100 mm thick. Its locked up, so I could not get a look inside, But I do hope they restore this one, I'd love to see it run. enjoy the pics. - Raspenau -

Nickdfresh
07-23-2007, 03:08 PM
I'm working where they found it, in the middle of the woods at an abandoned Army range and engineer vehicle testing facility (in 1974)...

Gen. Sandworm
07-23-2007, 03:21 PM
Thanks for the pics! Fearsome looking isnt it! :twisted:

tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 04:17 PM
Thanks for the pics! Fearsome looking isnt it! :twisted: It sure is, as we used to say in the Army, its a "pee bringer" . I'll be posting other exhibits in their proper areas soon.

tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 04:49 PM
Here is another pic from the Patton Museum, showing the results of being struck by the 3 most common rounds in the M-60 series tank basic load.
The Sabot, is the disgarding sabot anti-armor kinetic penetrator, carbide, velocity of about 5,000 fps.

The Heat, a shaped charge anti armor round, lower velocity than the sabot, but since its chemical, speed isnt an issue.

The Hep, (high explosive, plastic) is for general H.E. applications, and in some cases, is armor defeating, by crushing up against the armor, detonating, and causing a scab of steel to spall from the interior surface of the plate, causing damage, and injury.

The Target plate was nearly 5 in. (125mm.) thick, so the HEP didnt cause any spalling in this case, and barely dented the impact side. perhaps a few mm. The Sabot, did its usual, fine job, singing merrily through the plate, and the Heat round did as well, with its pretty pattern of spatters.
There was no info as to the range, or angle of the plate, the M-60 used a 105mm rifle. the Heat round is fin stabilized, and the other 2 (at that time,) were spin stabilized.

Gen. Sandworm
07-23-2007, 06:10 PM
Patton Museum is right close to Ft. Knox yea? How far outside Louisville is that?

Firefly
07-23-2007, 06:39 PM
Would it have been viable? Its a sort of super Stug.

Panzerknacker
07-23-2007, 07:24 PM
Interesting , the H.E.P must be the american variant of the british H.E.S.H.

tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 09:06 PM
Patton Museum is right close to Ft. Knox yea? How far outside Louisville is that? The Museum is on the post, right at the edge, there is a separate parking area accessible from Hwy 31W, so you do not have to go on the post to get to it.(but you can if you need to. ) The museum is about 25-30 miles south of Louisville on 31W Dixie highway. If you wish to visit, call ahead to the motels for lodging, as during summer months the ROTC folks are in town, and use up most of the available rooms. The museum is free to enter, and has a nice gift shop if you fancy a momento. They have an stug there that was pulled out of a bog, in 1995, and looks pretty nice for being sunk all those years.

tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 09:15 PM
Would it have been viable? Its a sort of super Stug.
The t-28 was designed for breaking fortified positions, particularily the Siegfried line. in that roll it would have done well if properly supported. There wasnt time get them into production, and deliver them to the field in time to do that job, so the project was cancelled. A couple hundred of these in an assault would be something to see.

tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 09:25 PM
Interesting , the H.E.P must be the american variant of the british H.E.S.H. Pretty much it is, the Hesh has a metal mesh "bag" that holds the explosive, and controls the squash up to the target. The HEP is just a thin metal case, that peels I am told, like a banana upon impact. It has a very low velocity, around 2,800 fps, and high trajectory. the filling was 22 lbs of Comp. B
The best use was against the turret sides, where the steel is thinnest, there it does a fair job of causing a scab to blow in, but that was on cast armor. Dont know if it would behave the same with rolled armor.

tankgeezer
07-23-2007, 09:44 PM
I have a pic of a T-72, with a T-34 in the background, the 72 was taken from Saddam, I remember the 72's being described as a real threat to the M-60's of those years. Not sure if it was true, but its all history now. sorry for the picture quality, not much flash available.

tankgeezer
07-24-2007, 12:36 AM
The Patton museum has a small display of A.T. rifles, from lower right, to left,20mm Japanese Type 97, UK Boys .55 rifle, 20mm Finn, Lahti,
upper right to left,
1941 Siminov 14.5mm, another siminov, dont recall the caliber. German 13mm mauser bolt rifle,
Sorry for the crampt shot, but this was a narrow corridor.

tankgeezer
07-24-2007, 08:58 AM
This is a vehicle in as found condition, washed out, perhaps, but no restoration done as yet. I do not remember which model it is, but its interesting to see it in its natural condition. The museum has one other, a different model, which is fully restored. - Raspenau -

tom!
07-24-2007, 11:53 AM
Hi.

It´s a type 97 tankette Te-Ke.

The color scheme doesn´t look original to me, but the japanese army only gave general orders for camo schemes. Many schemes were painted after the commanding officer´s preferences.

Yours

tom! ;)

tankgeezer
07-24-2007, 01:50 PM
Thanks Tom, It is possible that the vehicle was given a quickie paint job for display, that could account for the pattern, Its been there a long time. There are so many things to see there, that I lost track of what was what.

tankgeezer
07-24-2007, 02:57 PM
Here are some pics of the German armor exhibits at the Patton Museum. I'm sure they need no introduction.The ratty looking tank destroyer is the one rescued from a Russian bog in 1995.The left side turret, and some hull armor of the Tiger II have been removed to show the interior details, with manniken in the crew positions. I wish the pics could show just how huge these machines are.

Nickdfresh
07-24-2007, 07:15 PM
Beautiful.

Is the paint scheme on the King Tiger and the jagdpanzer winter camouflage form the Battle of the Bulge era late in the war?

Panzerknacker
07-24-2007, 07:46 PM
All join togheter here to aprecite best the pictured by Tankgeezer. :)

tankgeezer
07-24-2007, 08:44 PM
These are some additional pics, I will try to keep them in some sort of order, but no promises,,, these are mostly american, with some Brit machines as well. again, sorry for the dark indoor pics, The 16 ton WW I tanks are both heavily pitted from machinegun fire, (most likely German "K" type 8mm.) which did not penetrate the armor plate of either tank. Although the one in Pic 4, Mid, left, did have 2 holes through the turret just under the cupola. those were larger, perhaps from the Ger.13mm rifle.The bottom pic is of a stuart derivitive having its radial aero engine removed. The last little fellah is a 6 ton tank, as you can see, not very big. i would like one for my front lawn,,,.

Panzerknacker
07-24-2007, 08:59 PM
Nice, what is the first vehicle at the top-left ?.

tankgeezer
07-24-2007, 09:34 PM
Nice, what is the first vehicle at the top-left ?. That is an M-52-A1, self propelled artillary . this one is from 1951, does not look restored, at least not recently, it is an odd looking beast eh?

Panzerknacker
07-24-2007, 09:59 PM
Thanks, first time I saw that.

tankgeezer
07-25-2007, 08:54 AM
Beautiful.

Is the paint scheme on the King Tiger and the jagdpanzer winter camouflage form the Battle of the Bulge era late in the war?
Hmmm, I cant answer that one, but all of the German tanks etc. were so painted there, with the exception of the Panther.Perhaps someone else here might know about the paint schemes used then.I know they have a larger collection of German armor, though I dont know where they are keeping it.

tankgeezer
07-25-2007, 10:49 AM
This is said to be unrestored, Tho the paint may have been done after aquisition to preserve it, and make it look nice for display. Member Tom! says it is a type 97 Te-Ke Tankette. the museum has one other Japanese tank on display, fully restored, but I didnt have film for a pic of it.

tankgeezer
07-25-2007, 11:04 AM
Radcliff is a small town just outside the gates of Ft. Knox, Civilian workers on post live there, its not a lavish town, but very nice, and fairly representative of small town America.And I never miss a chance to eat at the Waffle house. lol. Also, a pic of my bike at the motel, its the middle of the 3, the weather was 95 F. and 90% humidity. I love air conditioning,,,, Thanks for looking over the pics, I have added some to the postings, so check back in case you've missed some.

Panzerknacker
07-30-2007, 07:51 PM
And I never miss a chance to eat at the Waffle house. lol. Also, a pic of my bike at the motel, its the middle of the 3


Is that a Buell ? nice bike.

tankgeezer
07-31-2007, 12:39 AM
Is that a Buell ? nice bike.
Thankyou my friend,the one in the picture is from the V-Rod family (street rod) I do have a Buell as well, a firebolt, its just for fun,,,,street strafing. lol here is a pic of them in the garage, the pink one is my daughter's, the Buell is at the back left, behind the V-Rod.

Panzerknacker
07-31-2007, 09:41 AM
Beautiful Harley TG ĦĦĦ


the pink one is my daughter's

Being a tough man as you are I know that you wont drive a pink Vespa :mrgreen:

tankgeezer
07-31-2007, 10:34 AM
Beautiful Harley TG ĦĦĦ



Being a tough man as you are I know that you wont drive a pink Vespa :mrgreen:
Thanks P.K, I have ridden it on occasion, (its fun to buzz around on,) and I do get lots of looks. Not sure if its because the scooter is pink, or that I'm 6' ,117 kg. I look a bit like Santa Clause. LOL Buell has come out with a new model, the 1125, its water cooled, with about 50% more horse power. I am tempted, but I have enough motorcycles, for now..