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Gregory
12-05-2006, 06:29 AM
Here some argentinian condecorations
Very nice, if it is your collection -- congratulations.

Do you know which one of these decorations was awarded Argentinian national hero of the Falklands War TT de Navio Owen Guillermo Crippa, a pilot of MB-339 light attack aircraft?

Best regards :D

Greg

Dani
12-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Very nice, if it is your collection -- congratulations.

Do you know which one of these decorations was awarded Argentinian national hero of the Falklands War TT de Navio Owen Guillermo Crippa, a pilot of MB-339 light attack aircraft?

Best regards :D

Greg

Hi Gregory,
You should ask Panzerknacker since Erwin (errr... Sturmtruppen ;) ) is a retired member.

Panzerknacker
12-05-2006, 05:49 PM
As far as I know Crippa received the congresional Medal of bravery in combat, the other I going to investigate about.

Gregory
12-05-2006, 06:01 PM
Panzerknacker

Thank you very much. English-language literature has always described this medal as the highest Argentinian decoration, something like the Argentinian counterpart of the US CMH or British VC.

Thanks, best regards :D

Greg

Panzerknacker
12-05-2006, 06:49 PM
Well, the Naval merit Medal is more an award for the long career seamen, although it can be awarded for combat merits.

Crippa as mostly of the veterans received this..."El congreso de la Nacion a los combatientes" , but is more like a campaing badge because it was awarded for participate in the war only and does not take account the war actions.

Panzerknacker
01-04-2007, 06:27 PM
A nice painting of the attack performed by G.O Crippa.

1000ydstare
01-06-2007, 09:35 AM
ANy info on the picture of Crippas attack?

I think that is the Narwhal in the back ground (a civialian stuft vessel).

Is HMS Ardent or Argonaught being brassed up?

Gregory
01-06-2007, 09:45 AM
ANy info on the picture of Crippas attack?

I think that is the Narwhal in the back ground (a civialian stuft vessel).

Is HMS Ardent or Argonaught being brassed up?
According to Jesus Romero Briasco and Salvador Mafe Huertas he attacked HMS Argonaut.

Best regards

Greg

timcourt
05-26-2007, 12:39 PM
Hi All,

I read with interest your info regarding the attachk on HMS Argonaut.

I was Heavily involved in this attack in being on the flightdeck of the ship at the time.

The MB339 came out of the sun and fired Rockets and followed through with a short burst of cannon, these went through the 965 radar and ran accross the hangar roof (I heard the rounds strike as we ran inside.

I have attached a picture of the Ships Flightdeck Crew, this was taken very shortly before the launch of the Lynx moments before the 1st attack.

For those Interested I am the one with the orange mug on my waist in the middle of the picture

Panzerknacker
05-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Very nice image Timcourt and welcome to our forum.

By the way, what the people in the left are looking for ? :)


http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8885/atflightdeck01kx9.jpg

2nd of foot
05-26-2007, 03:51 PM
the machine hampster jumped and Hiccupped.

2nd of foot
05-26-2007, 03:52 PM
Borders, must be as thatís the only thing the SMG would be useful for.:D

timcourt
05-26-2007, 04:16 PM
The guys on the left are the same as the rest of us, "Jumpy" towards the end of out time there we are even getting excited seeing seagulls oftem mistaking them for distant aircraft - You get like that sometimes.

Memory fades with time but I believe it was the sound of distant gunfire starting which caused them to look

One thing after these 25 Years that I don't think people have mentioned, and we talked of often back then when we returned, was the healthy respect we had of the Argentine pilots and their skills, we were amazed at how well they flew the A4's especially.

The SMG was carried by Aircrew in case of Emergency

Panzerknacker
05-27-2007, 12:37 PM
Thanks for your answer.

The Sterling against aircraft... probably have a psichlogical value.

timcourt
05-27-2007, 06:42 PM
Thanks for your answer.

The Sterling agaist aircraft... probably have a psichlogical value.

Yes it does, one other point on the Crippa attack, the aircraft came from the Port(Left side) and above the height of the ship from out of the sun as I recall, Had the attack taken place as depicted in the 2 paintings that are available, I would no doubt not be here to tell the tale, the attack was so fast that we actually thought one of our missiles had fired by accident!

I was stood in front of the Hangar at the time about 1/4 the way out on the flight deck with one of the other mechanics - it was close enough for me.

I notice you are in Argentina, were you in the Argentine Military?

Panzerknacker
05-29-2007, 12:26 PM
I am not involved with the Military, Just a civilian aficionado, My daily job is with machine tools.

By the way I have some images of the aircraft who attacked your ship, ill post later.

1000ydstare
05-29-2007, 12:33 PM
WRT the sterling, I beleive many of the helicopters were armed with such weapons in the war. In lieu of a machine gun. I can't see them being too effective though!!!

Panzerknacker
05-29-2007, 06:08 PM
More images of the Aermacchi nļ 115 of the Navy 1th Escuadrilla flown by G.Owen Crippa.

http://i17.tinypic.com/66lnec7.jpg


Detail on the armament, 2 containers with 2 Defa 553 30mm cannons and 8 Zuni 127mm (5") rockets.

http://i15.tinypic.com/5zmhzz4.jpg


http://i18.tinypic.com/6h72beu.jpg


HMS Argonaut claimed as damaged.


http://i18.tinypic.com/4uj8jm8.jpg

timcourt
05-29-2007, 07:30 PM
Thanks for posting the images, I did see some info a while back about the Aircraft being sold but not sure about that.

I spotted this post by chance and have not spoken about our antics in the falklands that much, I am currently in the process of getting information together to post more Images online and some Narrative, All of these pictures have not been posted before. nice to see the Argonaut mentioned since she often gets left out in the mainstream media.

Images shows Argonaut on May 21 before the Attack, this was taken from the Canberra I believe

Is there any more Information on Owen Crippa? I have had a look online but wondered if there was more Information elsewhere.


Tim c

Panzerknacker
05-29-2007, 07:49 PM
Your images will be very welcomed Tim.

The only I ve found about Crippa is the he lives today in Sunchales, Santa Fe province.

He seems to be very active in defense of the right /benefits of the veterans seamen due some harsh letters to the Goverment representatives of him that I ve read.

I still working to find a portrait.

http://www.maritimeprints.com/portfolio/media/img/MP123.jpg

http://www.maritimeprints.com/portfolio/?mp=123

timcourt
05-29-2007, 08:37 PM
Thanks, seems like there are alot of Veterans doing that in alot of countries these days, I live in the USA Now and work as a 3d Modeller, I used to work on Aircraft in the Royal Navy, the Lynx in the picture is XZ233 "466" Named "Jason"

We had not had any action up until this point and the first we knew of something going on was an order over the Speaker system in the hanger to Launch the lynx - Once the Lynx was Airborne they Hid in a small alcove in the rocks Hovering for a while.

I was out on the flightdeck just in front of the hangar sharing a pair of Binoculars actually having a look around, when my colleague spotted something, then all we heard was a loud Roar (Possibly the rockets which impacted the sea in a group next to the ship), then a hammer noise accross the hangar roof, we actually didn't know what had happened until it was all over, I did catch a glimpse of the aircraft as it swooped low to the sea and climbed again, it was gone before we knew what it was.

I actually have a sketch somewhere of the attack since I did a few drawings while there, I'll have to see if I can find it and scan it, you will see the position of the Aircraft is not where it is on the Paintings.


Tim C

Panzerknacker
05-29-2007, 08:48 PM
There will be nice if you can use your 3D modelling skills to illustrate the history of this war.



I was out on the flightdeck just in front of the hangar sharing a pair of Binoculars actually having a look around, when my colleague spotted something, then all we heard was a loud Roar (Possibly the rockets which impacted the sea in a group next to the ship), then a hammer noise accross the hangar roof, we actually didn't know what had happened until it was all over, I did catch a glimpse of the aircraft as it swooped low to the sea and climbed again, it was gone before we knew what it was.


I guess that the MB-339 was flying to low for the RADAR.

Cuts
05-30-2007, 05:02 AM
HMS Argonaut claimed as damaged.


http://i18.tinypic.com/4uj8jm8.jpg

What symbol was painted on aircraft that sunk ships ?

1000ydstare
05-30-2007, 11:29 AM
That symbol doesn't look right, I will have to see if I can find a internet version but the symbols shown in most books do not have the stripe.

A full silhouette indicates sunk, with the date, an out line sihouette indicated damage. The most memorable photo I have, in a book somewhere, is a moustachioed pilot with two thumbs up with a claimed damage to a Frigage on a date when no attacks were recorded.

I will have to do some ferretting. AS AR.

1000ydstare
05-30-2007, 01:11 PM
Here you go

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/240_b.jpg

The picture I spoke of earlier did not have the name under it though. Not sure if these are a true account of this planes attacks to be honest, two attacks in one day!?

Also Argonaut never sank, she returned to UK (eventually) therefore there are no distinctions on this plane between sunk and damaged.

From http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/a-4p.htm

Panzerknacker
05-30-2007, 06:10 PM
What symbol was painted on aircraft that sunk ships ?

I saw some with two diagonally superimposed red strips or a single red dot in the center of the silhouette, but I guess there was no a single rule for the painting.

timcourt
05-30-2007, 07:11 PM
I have some first hand Knowledge of Antelopes attack, one aircraft managed to drop one bomb, this bounced over the ship, the second aircraft dropped its bomb which penetrated the Starboard side amidships, that aircraft clipped the mast and Crashed as a result.

See the image below, previously unpublished, this shows the hole in the side with the Forward mast appearing to be missing, its actually bent over!

The Image shows Antelope coming in to anchor just after the attack to have the bomb removed, as you can see we were also still carrying 1 Unexploded bomb in the forward magazine when Antelope exploded, we were quite close at the time.

Panzerknacker
05-30-2007, 07:18 PM
See the image below, previously unpublished

Very preciated.

You probably know this already, the mast was hit by an Argentine A-4 moment after it dropped the bomb. The skyhawk was hit by 20mm cannon or some missile in the final approach.

More info here:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4177&page=4

timcourt
05-30-2007, 08:30 PM
Yes, It can get quite confusing especially with the speed this all happens, too much for the brain to take in sometimes.

Panzerknacker
05-30-2007, 08:42 PM
Yes, It can get quite confusing especially with the speed this all happens, too much for the brain to take in sometimes.

Add to that a crippled Skyhawk and you got the entire picture.

By the way Tim, is the picture above taken from the HMS Argonaut??

timcourt
05-31-2007, 06:27 AM
Yes it was taken from the Argonaut, when the Antelopes magazine exploded we were in the same location as we were in the image, I have more on this and will post tonight

Panzerknacker
05-31-2007, 05:54 PM
Thanks. bring those pictures on.

Did the HMS Argonaut receive more damage in the wartime period ?

1000ydstare
06-01-2007, 10:35 AM
Only damage to Argonaut, bar the unexploding bombs, was the explosion of two Seacat missiles in the magazine. Caused bythe passage of the bombs in to this compartment.

She reached UK about a month after being hit.

She also rescued Bransom when his balloon attempt to go around the world came unstuck and he landed in the Atlantic.

She was broken up a few years ago.

Panzerknacker
06-01-2007, 10:43 AM
Thanks for the information.

hopefully Tim court would provide more.

timcourt
06-01-2007, 04:47 PM
There was a little more damage although it was inclusive to the a$ attack on may 21st in that the ship surrefered some pretty major fire damage forward due to the Diesel in the tanks/Magazine igniting after welding set it on fire when welding the holes created by removal of the Forward Magazine Bomb- I'll post a few more details later, pretty busy tonight but will post some pics later.

Panzerknacker
06-01-2007, 05:21 PM
Take your time but remember..we are waiting your pictures. :rolleyes:

timcourt
06-18-2007, 04:58 PM
Hi, Been away this week (Partially on purpose) and will get back to this thread later in the week since I had promised some pictures.

Tim C

Panzerknacker
07-13-2007, 06:20 PM
Tim..look what I found ¡¡¡¡

The bomb that hit HMS Argonaut and didnt explode.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1807/1321982argonaut2mv0.jpg



http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9346/1321982argonaut3aw3.jpg



http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6750/matasr5.jpg


wht a lucky ship.

http://www.falklands25.com/memories.php

32Bravo
07-14-2007, 05:47 AM
PK how many more times are you going to attack HMS Argonaut - even Jason had an easier time of it? :)

Panzerknacker
07-15-2007, 09:54 AM
And why you worry ?

The ship make it after all.

32Bravo
07-15-2007, 10:12 AM
Do I look worried?

Panzerknacker
11-03-2012, 03:00 PM
Mr Crippa telling the story:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9c6_1349120632