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Panzerknacker
05-21-2007, 10:46 PM
A former army soldier who fought in the 1982 war has became graphic designer and his design office had released a new proposal for the Footbal team shirt wich included the disputed islands Map..


I do this because I fell that our claim to this land is more than fair and also as some way of teraphy

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6715/camisetaseleccionwe7.jpg

The AFA ( Asociacion del Futbol Argentina. Argentine Football Association) had rejected the shirt since the FIFA forbid clearly any political Propaganda/claim in the international encounters.

C.B had not ceased in his attemp and now is offering this shirt for any Footbal/Rugby/Basketball/Hockey team with skyblue blue and or white in its shield colours.

I am pretty sure that more than one member in here will have some questions,suggestions, aditions to this partular issue.

Instead give me the usual ranting you can go directly to the source, I think Carlos would be more than pleased to hear your comments. :mrgreen:

CarlosBueno5@hotmail.com.ar

Rising Sun*
05-22-2007, 02:13 AM
A little more colour would help the design.

Blue and white are always enchanced by the addition of red. :D



http://www.rhylljetty.com/malvinas shirt no.jpg

Lone Ranger
05-22-2007, 05:49 PM
A serious question for you, do you think this kind of provocation is doing anything for achieving a detente with the Islanders?

Cuts
05-22-2007, 07:32 PM
A little more colour would help the design.

Blue and white are always enchanced by the addition of red. :D


A good choice RS, that combination of colours don't run.

Cuts
05-22-2007, 07:35 PM
Instead give me the usual ranting...

"Hello Pot, this is Kettle. Colour check, over."

Rising Sun*
05-22-2007, 07:39 PM
A good choice RS, that combination of colours don't run.

Thanks.

I exercised a certain amount of restraint in not displaying a well known combination of red, white and blue which still flies over the Falklands, and will for the foreseeable future. :D

Gen. Sandworm
05-23-2007, 12:20 AM
I see the humor in the thread...........lets remember not run it into the ground.

Rising Sun*
05-23-2007, 12:58 AM
I see the humor in the thread...........lets remember not run it into the ground.

Fear not, for I am the model of restraint. ;) It was only yesterday that I restrained myself from designing and posting an English soccer shirt in the same vein as the one in #1.

And now, folks, for something completely different.

Look at the right hand island in the first post.

Tilt your head about 45 degrees to the left.

It's a British bulldog.

On a proposed Argentinian national soccer player's shirt! :shock:

Is there no end to the reach of British intelligence services? What a propaganda coup! :D

Cuts
05-23-2007, 06:44 AM
By Jove he's absolutely correct ! :shock:

Never noticed that before.

Gen. Sandworm
05-23-2007, 09:52 AM
By Jove he's absolutely correct ! :shock:

Never noticed that before.

Have to admit it is rather uncanny.

Never noticed that before either.

Rising Sun*
05-23-2007, 07:43 PM
Have to admit it is rather uncanny.

Maybe it's a message from above about who really owns the Falklands. :D

Cuts
05-24-2007, 06:17 AM
Maybe it's a message from above about who really owns the Falklands. :D

I don't think "the hand of God" had any influence on this - it had the DTs from a lack of Class A drugs. :D

Rising Sun*
05-24-2007, 08:14 AM
I don't think "the hand of God" had any influence on this - it had the DTs from a lack of Class A drugs. :D

Possible alternatives.

1. The moving hand, having writ, moved on. With way too much movement. :D

2. There was a celestial over-abundance of Class A drugs. After all, it is heaven. :D

Cuts
05-25-2007, 02:21 PM
I don't think "the hand of God" had any influence on this - it had the DTs from a lack of Class A drugs. :D Possible alternatives.

1. The moving hand, having writ, moved on. With way too much movement. :D

2. There was a celestial over-abundance of Class A drugs. After all, it is heaven. :D

If it wasn't the Hand Of God as such but merely a General Overuse of Drugs, would that hand be in it's usual reciprocating movement ?
;)

Rising Sun*
05-26-2007, 06:29 AM
If it wasn't the Hand Of God as such but merely a General Overuse of Drugs, would that hand be in it's usual reciprocating movement ?
;)

Well, there has been a certain amount of reciprocating manual motion over the Falklands, but it's not been coming from the bulldog. :D

Panzerknacker
07-30-2007, 07:31 PM
;)

http://www.seprin.com/portal2/portal/data/upimages/malvinas_londres.jpg



In world-wide championship in London they uncover t-shirt of the Malvinas, the delegation Argentina de Taekwondo that competed in England.
For the Argentinean the gold medal in modality was obtained forms black belts IV give adults of the hand of Sebastian Freire (integral of the group escorpio) where he compete with more than 100 adversaries in the same modality.
In the act of award of the medals the young people discovered a t-shirt that says in Castilian and in Ingles: The Malvinas are Argentine. They are not Flakland Island. The Organizers requested that the jackets put themselves to cover the legend. 8º open of taekwondo in Birminghan, disputed England the 30 of June and 1º of July where the Argentinean delegation wich travel with more of 50 competitors
http://www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/utj072007/00344.html

1000ydstare
08-01-2007, 11:21 AM
FFS

You lost, several times, that is wh ythey are ours. You ain't getting 'em back full stop.

Even if they seperate from GB, they will remain independant of Argentina, as their own country if neccesary.

You may aswell accept the fact that the Falklands will NEVER be Argentine.

Panzerknacker
08-01-2007, 06:23 PM
You may aswell accept the fact that the Falklands will NEVER be Argentine.

Well, that statement is obviously NEVER going to be accepted over here. :rolleyes:

1000ydstare
08-02-2007, 12:28 AM
Doesn't have to be.

Look at the situation though.

The Falklanders will never accept you ruling htem. So should they choose to breakaway and declare independance from Britain (as in even more independent than they are now) I doubt they would knock on Argentinas door.

Besides, when you think about it. It is only the same as Argentina being independant of Spain. If you have so much claim on the Falklands over som many years, how would argue that Spain shouldn't take you back?

Eagle
08-02-2007, 09:50 PM
Off topic.

Panzer:
A guy talked to me today, I think he is from the Miranda Family. He said he knows you, and you've talked him about me. Fantastic, the distances are nothing with the web! Off course I sent you greetings, and I expect you'll be here in San Jose soon.

Regards. Nos vemos campeón. Un abrazo.

Panzerknacker
08-02-2007, 10:25 PM
Jajaja, mas vale que me conozcan, soy el primo loco :D
Seguramente hablaste con Ezequiel Miranda ( el casado con la rubia)
Hace algun tiempo le pregunte sobre vos.
Muy Buena gente che, salame y jamon gratis :mrgreen:




The Falklanders will never accept you ruling htem. So should they choose to breakaway and declare independance from Britain (as in even more independent than they are now) I doubt they would knock on Argentinas door


Well I think that justification or not of the claim is more to be answered in the other topic. My point with this thread is to show that the Malvinas issue is in the head of every Argentine, no matter skin colour, age, social level, education or wathever else you can name, is a national question that was not, is not and will not be erased of the Argentine public.

1000ydstare
08-02-2007, 11:34 PM
Do you not think that is a unhealthy thing?

Next time some loony government wants in or a bad one needs a boost of good opinion what would stop them embarking on another war?

Those that stoke the fires of Argentine bitterness on this matter (and they are stoked by t-shirts and the like also) are not part of the solution on this matter.

It is strange that the Argie angle is "We want them now" and the British angle is "the islanders can do as they please".

Panzerknacker
08-03-2007, 08:06 AM
Next time some loony government wants in or a bad one needs a boost of good opinion what would stop them embarking on another war?


You still dont get my point, is not a sentiment created by any goverment, is a sentiment that lay in every person. It can be exploited, but no invented.

1000ydstare
08-03-2007, 12:11 PM
That WAS my point too.

I appreciate it is not invented but can be exploited. However, with the constant wheeling out of this sentiment it is also carried on in to the next generation.

Where as perhaps it would be better to let it lie.

The world of today and tomorrow is different to the days when countries could be formed at whim, and territories siezed.

Lone Ranger
08-05-2007, 03:27 PM
Mmm, actually a moot point whether it was invented. The Falklands claim was largely forgotten till the 1930s. The main reason it was revived was as the result of German propaganda, it was then exploited by Peron. Argentine text books before the revival of the claim called them the Falkland Islands.

Chevan
08-06-2007, 01:56 AM
Jajaja, mas vale que me conozcan, soy el primo loco :D
Seguramente hablaste con Ezequiel Miranda ( el casado con la rubia)
Hace algun tiempo le pregunte sobre vos.
Muy Buena gente che, salame y jamon gratis :mrgreen:

Hey PZ, are the rules only for us - do not use the the native languages?
Use the PM message ( or at least give us the translation).
And - so you famouse person in Argentina;)
Good new.


My point with this thread is to show that the Malvinas issue is in the head of every Argentine, no matter skin colour, age, social level, education or wathever else you can name, is a national question that was not, is not and will not be erased of the Argentine public.

Really the Malvinas issue is the so partiotic-joining thing in Argentina?

Panzerknacker
08-06-2007, 10:02 AM
Hey PZ, are the rules only for us - do not use the the native languages?
Use the PM message ( or at least give us the translation).
And - so you famouse person in Argentina;)
Good new

Oh, give me a break Chev...you and your ukraniand friends have use the native language until get tired I didnt edited anything.:rolleyes:



Jajaja, mas vale que me conozcan, soy el primo loco
Seguramente hablaste con Ezequiel Miranda ( el casado con la rubia)
Hace algun tiempo le pregunte sobre vos.
Muy Buena gente che, salame y jamon gratis

Means:

Ha,ha,ha, they better know me, I am their crazy cousin.
Surely you spoke with Ezequiel Miranda (the one married with the blonde)
Some time ago I talked about you.
Very good people che ( Che= untranslatable argentine interjection), salami and Ham fro free.



Really the Malvinas issue is the so partiotic-joining thing in Argentina?


So many topics, so many discussion, so many pictures...and you still need to ask?

Panzerknacker
08-09-2007, 06:54 PM
Mmm, actually a moot point whether it was invented. The Falklands claim was largely forgotten till the 1930s. The main reason it was revived was as the result of German propaganda, it was then exploited by Peron. Argentine text books before the revival of the claim called them the Falkland


Big nonsence, the Malvinas is the name applied in 1820 and never was changed from the argentine maps.

And that does not nessesary apply as a claim, in spanish there is a rule that if there is a spanish language name for the place it must be used insted the name in the local language, for example, we dont say "London & New York"
We said "Londres y Nueva York" and that does not imply any territorial question.

The only spanish speaking country who name the islands "Falklands" are....you are right...the bloody chileans.

For every Argentine flying in LAN Chile is quite a shock seeing the map in the brochure calling the Malvinas "Flaklands".

I guess that we as argentines are too loved/spoiled in other countries.:rolleyes:

Lone Ranger
08-10-2007, 04:22 PM
Big nonsence, the Malvinas is the name applied in 1820 and never was changed from the argentine maps.

You should know by now I never make a claim I can't back up...

http://www.argentina-rree.com/documentos/culture_escude.htm

Regarding the treatment of the Falkland Islands, the survey shed interesting results. These islands were present in almost every text throughout the century under study. Nonetheless, before 1940 there were six significative exceptions (out of a total of 31 texts) in which sovereignty was not attributed to Argentina, whereas after that date there was not a single case in which such an attribution was not made (in a total of 46 texts). Another indicator pointing in the same direction is that the use of the British name of the islands was registered seven times up to 1941; after this date, the term Falkland is replaced by Malvinas without exception. By and large, the language used to refer to the British occupation of the islands was considerably more moderate before 1945. This is not to say that there were no cases of a passionate attack on Britain in the early years, which there were. Nonetheless, before 1945 there were several cases of a surprisingly mild treatment, whereas afterwards the treatment became standardized and more homogeneously severe. The paradox is thus that indoctrination became more intense well after a century had lapsed since the British takeover of 1833.

And you can read in Spanish if you like.

http://www.argentina-rree.com/documentos/fracasoargentino.htm

pdf27
08-10-2007, 04:39 PM
Umm... LR, that doesn't exactly back up your statement that the claim was largely forgotten. Prior to 1940 you;ve still got 80% of texts claiming that the Falklands were Argentinian. All that shows is that some authors weren't convinced enough of the Argentine claim to risk upsetting the 400lb gorilla that was the UK of the time.
Remember also that the Argentine economy was heavily dependent on the British Empire and on British capital flows prior to WW2 - to the extent that it has at times been described as part of the informal British empire. Even if people were passionately of the belief that the British were occupying Argentinian territory they're going to be rather wary about saying so.

Post-WW2 all this reluctance goes away. The British Empire is dead in all but name, and the US (with all it's anticolonial baggage) has taken over the role of top dog in Latin America. Combined with nationalist leaders like Peron, this creates a positive incentive to give voice to feelings that may well have been there all along.

In other words, the evidence you presented does not demonstrate that there was a change in popular views, only that there was a change in how those views were expressed. It is indeed possible that the views changed, but you haven't yet shown it.

Lone Ranger
08-10-2007, 04:49 PM
Ah but did you read the whole text in the reference, I think it backs up the point.