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cooke24
04-08-2007, 04:00 AM
Anyone have some good photos of the jagdpanther, i thought germans used the chasis of their thanks quite well. Hey why not design a whole new chasis and waste our time instead use this one we already designed and manufacturing. What do u guys think?

Heres a JagdPanther shoot its cannon.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc

Panzerknacker
05-11-2007, 07:18 PM
Some basic info:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6709/jagd1ie6.jpg


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8103/jagd2mp9.jpg


A picture of one of the very first vehicles to be manufactured, note the pistol port in the side, characteristics who was deleted later.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/695/dibujowc2.jpg

Wolfgang Von Gottberg
05-11-2007, 07:27 PM
http://www.panzertruppen.org/heer/canones/jagdpanther.jpg

http://www.3dcenter.ru/blueprints/tanks/tank-destroyer-jagdpanther-late-version.jpg

The close-up below indicates points vulnerable to infantry attack: sight opening (1), hatches (2), ventilators (3), periscopes (4), and the rear door (5).

http://www.lonesentry.com/new88mm/ximg4-jagdpanther-topview.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Jagdpanther_IWM.jpg/800px-Jagdpanther_IWM.jpg

Wolfgang Von Gottberg
05-11-2007, 07:29 PM
Also notice the three shell holes in the rear-right flank of the Jadgpanther

Panzerknacker
05-11-2007, 08:12 PM
Really good images there Wolfgang.

And this is just nasty...17 pounders perhaps?

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/544/dibujokg4.jpg

Wolfgang Von Gottberg
05-11-2007, 09:15 PM
Really good images there Wolfgang.

And this is just nasty...17 pounders perhaps?

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/544/dibujokg4.jpg

I suppose so. Looks like the JagdPanther didn't show its badass this time :mrgreen:

HG
05-12-2007, 06:16 PM
Ah the JagdPanther. Panzerknacker you sure as hell know a lot about them. How are you guys long time no see?

Panzerknacker
05-12-2007, 08:06 PM
Welcome back HG ,man, you are cheating on us with other forum I know. ;)



suppose so. Looks like the JagdPanther didn't show its badass this time



I all in the position.. if you are a Crownwell/Churchill/T-34/JS-2/Sherman tanker and see a Jagdpanther in the front of you better say your last prayers.

http://www.panzerlexikon.de/jagdpanther.jpg

However if you manage to sneak in the side and have a respectable gun is done, the gun azimuth was nonexistant and take time to engage target in the left/right. That account for the large losses of Stugs in the french bocage location in wich they cannot turn the entire vehicle to aim (as they usually do in Russia) due the closed terrain.

HG
05-12-2007, 08:26 PM
Welcome back HG ,man, you are cheating on us with other forum I know. ;)

Nah, I have been not that active since I changed from the job I had so it is now that I am trying to get back what I have been missing these few months.

Glad to see you are still here.

Well the JagdTiger was way better than the JagdPanther in my opinion. What do you think Panzerknacker?

Panzerknacker
05-12-2007, 08:32 PM
Is nice to have back


Glad to see you are still here.

Still here ??? no friend , I am in charge of whole thing :mrgreen:



Well the JagdTiger was way better than the JagdPanther in my opinion. What do you think Panzerknacker?


http://www.panzerworld.net/pictures/00145.jpg

Better in firepower yes ,but extremely heavy and prone to mechanichal failure to be a practical vehicle, impressive yes, but in my opinion the Jagdpanther was more suitable.

HG
05-12-2007, 08:42 PM
Mechanichal geez yes, the engine were the same as that of the King Tiger. The other thing is that was these moving artilary realy worth the while? The other thing is that they did not have enough protection against infantry. The Ferdinant and Elefant were also not that bad except that the Ferdinant did not hav any other guns except for the main gun.

Panzerknacker
05-12-2007, 08:50 PM
The elefant had some MG-34 , but no much difference.

The Ferdinad was an attemp to save the chasis wich teorically should be completed as Porsche Tigers, but the Henschel Tiger won the competition those were out of job, so why not put a 88mm Pak 43 to blast some russian tanks ?

The electric motors were not as satisfactory as spected.

http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/fotky/stihace/elefant/042.jpg

HG
05-12-2007, 08:55 PM
The German sdid not actualy give a hell about the engines of these little monsters.

Dani
05-13-2007, 04:14 AM
Glad to see you are still here.


Welcome back Henk!

Wolfgang Von Gottberg
05-13-2007, 06:59 AM
I all in the position.. if you are a Crownwell/Churchill/T-34/JS-2/Sherman tanker and see a Jagdpanther in the front of you better say your last prayers.

The IS2 had monstrous armor. I don't think the JagdPanther would be too much of a fight.

cooke24
05-13-2007, 01:41 PM
i personally like the ferdinand/elefant because of its huge amount of armour which was i think around 200mm and its high velocity gun. it lacked the ball mounted mg-34 but then added after the battle of kursk. And the is2 had low quality steel when first manufactured, so the jagdtiger would destroy the is2 by far even before the is2 was in range. And the is2 also suffered from low amount of ammunition only 22 shells.

Panzerknacker
05-13-2007, 03:43 PM
The IS2 had monstrous armor. I don't think the JagdPanther would be too much of a fight.

Uh ??, that is why you dont know the characteristics of the Kwk 43 L/71 88mm gun, with the normal hardened steel core armor piercing capped high explosive tracer ammunition Panzergranate 39/42 it could penetrate 170 mm rolled homogeneous plate sloped 30 @ 1000 meters, the max armor in the JS-2 was 120 mm.

The Ferdinad was and impressive design yes, but mauled by mechanical failure as his predecesor.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3397/heynvj5.jpg

Wolfgang Von Gottberg
05-13-2007, 04:33 PM
Uh ??, that why you dont know the characteristics of the Kwk 43 L/71 88mm gun, with the normal hardened steel core armor piercing capped high explosive tracer ammunition Panzergranate 39/42 it could penetrate 170 mm rolled homogeneous plate sloped 30 @ 1000 meters, the max armor in the JS-2 was 120 mm.

The Ferdinad was and impressive design yes, but mauled by mechanical failure as his predecesor.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3397/heynvj5.jpg

Oh..I stand corrected! :D

Thanks for the info.

HG
05-13-2007, 08:19 PM
Welcome back Henk!

Thanks Dani glad to see you again.

Nickdfresh
05-13-2007, 08:22 PM
Uh ??, that why you dont know the characteristics of the Kwk 43 L/71 88mm gun, with the normal hardened steel core armor piercing capped high explosive tracer ammunition Panzergranate 39/42 it could penetrate 170 mm rolled homogeneous plate sloped 30 @ 1000 meters, the max armor in the JS-2 was 120 mm.

The Ferdinad was and impressive design yes, but mauled by mechanical failure as his predecesor.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3397/heynvj5.jpg

What a beautiful monstrosity...

HG
05-13-2007, 08:52 PM
Ja, but I stil can not grasp why they could not develop better engines for them.

Panzerknacker
05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
Thanks for the info.

My pleasure.


What a beautiful monstrosity...

Beuatiful indeed, this is the last Ferdinand finished in Nibelungwerke iron works, St valentin Austria 8 may 1943.


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1656/elefant11hr.jpg


Ja, but I stil can not grasp why they could not develop better engines for them.

Mostly because there was no time if they want to have all the Ferdinands and their crew ready in time to Zitadelle.

cooke24
05-20-2007, 07:40 PM
if im correct, in the tv series band of brothers i think episode 5 not sure the one episode about market garden they used a restored jagdpanther instead of some modified tank but unfortunately the restored Tiger 131 at bovington tank museum was not available so they had to use the modified t-76 like in saving private ryan. i think all ww2 movie producers if they are using tanks in thier movies look for restored ones not modified.

Major Walter Schmidt
05-13-2008, 11:38 PM
Speaking of Porsche panzers, was there such a thing as a Sd.Kfz181(?)Jagdmaus?

Churchill
05-14-2008, 04:24 PM
Would this fit the bill?

Major Walter Schmidt
05-14-2008, 06:25 PM
Yeah. But I wonder if it was real projeckt.

Panzerknacker
05-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Jagdpanzer Maus I believe, It was not.

Digger
05-16-2008, 01:29 AM
Certainly one of the most impressive armoured vehicles in the German inventory. Though a superb and potent weapon system there was little the Jagdpanther could do, to stem the Allied tide.

http://i31.tinypic.com/314xf8i.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/a9p6xd.jpg

Grant Hall's superb modelling effort of the Jagdpanther.
http://i32.tinypic.com/3148baa.jpg

Digger

cooke24
05-17-2008, 03:19 AM
very nice model indeed!