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Rising Sun
02-16-2007, 06:23 AM
Stumbled on this looking for something else
http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/registry.html
Linds7612
03-08-2007, 02:32 AM
Stumbled on this looking for something else
http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/registry.html

Jeez, those fellas just couldn't handle the fact that japan had lost!!
panzerpete
03-19-2007, 09:20 PM
whats stupid is when they tell them the wars over, the jus sit in their little hideout. jeez. they just cant handle the fact that THEY LOST
Rising Sun*
03-19-2007, 09:48 PM
whats stupid is when they tell them the wars over, the jus sit in their little hideout. jeez. they just cant handle the fact that THEY LOST

Maybe it had more to do with the shame of surrender. Even though it was a national surrender, it was still a surrender by troops in the field.

Surrender was disgraceful not only to the soldier, but to his entire family. There are documented accounts of soldier's wives driving themselves to disgrace or death because of rumors that their husband dishonorably surrendered. Even after decades after the war was over, Japanese holdouts wept openly when they heard the war was over, refused to surrender to anyone other than their commanding officer, or apologized for not serving his majesty to satisfaction.
http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/history.html
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 05:45 PM
yeah, geuss so
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:16 PM
i agree with panzerpete. Cummon guys YOU LOST!
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:19 PM
thats right, sherman man
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:21 PM
you would think they would want to go back to normal life and face the facts
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:22 PM
instead of sitting in some bunker 2 years
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:28 PM
japanese were odd
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:29 PM
does anyone know how long the longest japenese hold out was
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:29 PM
just look at kamakazies come on
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:30 PM
probably about 10 years
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:30 PM
japanese were odd

i also kinda aggree with the rising sun guy.
they were taught to not surrender
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:31 PM
i also kinda aggree with the rising sun guy.
they were taught to not surrender
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but some times common sense should take over
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:32 PM
yeah true
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:33 PM
they would rather blow themselves up than surrender
Sherman man
03-20-2007, 08:34 PM
US prison camps were almost luxurious
panzerpete
03-20-2007, 08:36 PM
yes. the us camps were rather luxurius. (compared to german and japenese ones)
Boff
03-21-2007, 05:51 AM
The last soldier to surrender did so in the 70's or early 80's I believe.
panzerpete
03-21-2007, 03:39 PM
The last soldier to surrender did so in the 70's or early 80's I believe.

wow, thats a little extreme
Boff
03-21-2007, 10:48 PM
Maybe..

But its a cultural thing
panzerpete
03-26-2007, 09:56 PM
Maybe..

But its a cultural thing

yes it is
AllHailCesar
03-27-2007, 12:24 AM
I heard that there were some as late as the 1970's!
AllHailCesar
03-27-2007, 12:26 AM
I heard there were some as late as the 1970's!
panzerpete
03-27-2007, 03:27 PM
why did u say that twice, MR.allhailceaser
AllHailCesar
03-27-2007, 05:41 PM
I'm more comfortable with clay tablets thay computers I guess.
GermanSoldier
03-27-2007, 06:06 PM
why did u say that twice, MR.allhailceaser

he did because when he sent it, he probably pressed it a few times. Which causes the another exact post. He did not do it on purpose if that is what yo thought. I have done this before. No big deal about it.
AllHailCesar
03-27-2007, 06:18 PM
You hit the nail on the head GermanSoldier!
panzerpete
03-27-2007, 06:23 PM
sorry, i was just wonderin, not to be a real pain in the BUTT.:mrgreen:
AllHailCesar
03-27-2007, 07:30 PM
No problem at all.
ww2artist
09-06-2007, 06:57 AM
It is extreme, but you have to remember that from a young age the Japanese people were brain-washed into thinking their Emperor was a God, and after a life-time of being taught that surrender was wrong, it would have been hard to think, 'Oh well, we lost, better get on with my own life.' I guess they thought in terms of a collective people and not as an individual. I don't think our Western minds will ever be able to understand the minds of the Japanese of this time-frame.............
AllHailCesar
09-06-2007, 12:04 PM
Maybe they were just figured they were lucky that no offices were coming around.....:)
Firefly
09-06-2007, 02:37 PM
It is extreme, but you have to remember that from a young age the Japanese people were brain-washed into thinking their Emperor was a God, and after a life-time of being taught that surrender was wrong, it would have been hard to think, 'Oh well, we lost, better get on with my own life.' I guess they thought in terms of a collective people and not as an individual. I don't think our Western minds will ever be able to understand the minds of the Japanese of this time-frame.............

One cultures brainwashing is another cultures, er culture. Once upon a time in the west, sounds like a movie, we had the code of chivalry, or even farther back, the 300 Spartans.

Its human nature to project our values onto other cultures and call it brainwashing I think.

Good points though.
Carl Schwamberger
09-09-2007, 02:41 AM
The last Japanese soldier I remember surrendering happened in 1971. He and a few other remained hidden in the forrest of Guam island. One by one the others died and this individual gave up in hope of returning home some day. Many others had emerged from, or been found dead, in the jungles and forrests of the Phillipines, Burma, ect... Most of these were found or surrendered in the 1940s and a few in the 1950s. Only a handfull were documented as surviving into the 1960s. Occasionally timber cutters, hunters, or miners still find the remnants of those who held out for years hidden away.
overlord644
09-09-2007, 07:14 PM
The last Japanese soldier I remember surrendering happened in 1971. He and a few other remained hidden in the forrest of Guam island. One by one the others died and this individual gave up in hope of returning home some day. Many others had emerged from, or been found dead, in the jungles and forrests of the Phillipines, Burma, ect... Most of these were found or surrendered in the 1940s and a few in the 1950s. Only a handfull were documented as surviving into the 1960s. Occasionally timber cutters, hunters, or miners still find the remnants of those who held out for years hidden away.

i believe the history channel did a documentary on this case a few years back
Carl Schwamberger
09-15-2007, 08:56 PM
It was front page news when he 'came out' back then. The story lasted a couple days in the papers and weeks in the periodicals.

In a reversal, when Guam was recaptured in 1944 at least one USN sailor rejoined US forces as the Japanese were eliminated. He was part of a section of communications technicians who choose not to surrender when the Japanese occupied Guam in December 1941. The others were either captured or died of malnutrition & disease.
diverdoc
11-17-2007, 02:07 PM
the Japanese told their soldiers that americans would use the "surrender" trick, when the war was not actually over, so many thought the message of wars end was nothing but a trap. I know that Lt Hiroo Onoda was found in 1974 in the phillipines. as late as 2003 the japanese govt had sent people into the jungles to find "holdouts" as they are called, still out there stealing food, and sometimes attacking local police/troops.
alfiechan
09-27-2008, 04:53 AM
Lieut. Onoda held out until I think it was 1974. There is even a book about him in English called NO SURRENDER-MY 30 Year-WAR.