Tokarev SVT 40

[Man of Stoat]

Just got one yesterday, and here are my initial thoughts:

You need a PhD to strip and reassemble it
it is very very long
it is quite roughly made
the stock shape is very good, giving a very good cheek weld
sights are identical to the mosin-nagant

Once I've taken it down the range, I will report back further

[bas]

Congrats Stoat,

I'm curious how you find it. I have 2 myself and get a lot of fun out of shooting them. Cleaning them afterwards is a royal pain in the a*se though.

They can also be fussy on the ammo you use and you'll probably need to adjust the gas port or it will misfeed.

Have fun!

[Nickdfresh]

Was this weapon the rifle that was basically rejected for service in the early part of WWII?

[Mechanized Warfare]

Congrats Stoat,

I'm curious how you find it. I have 2 myself and get a lot of fun out of shooting them. Cleaning them afterwards is a royal pain in the a*se though.

They can also be fussy on the ammo you use and you'll probably need to adjust the gas port or it will misfeed.

Have fun!

Are all those your guns at http://www.gunpics.net/ ?

If so that is an awesome collection of Ruskie weapons. ;)

[bas]

Was this weapon the rifle that was basically rejected for service in the early part of WWII?

Mass production stopped in 1943, although limited production continued until 1945.

Are all those your guns at http://www.gunpics.net/ ?

If so that is an awesome collection of Ruskie weapons.

The website is a compelation of a pictures I took of a friends collection and my collection. Other people overseas have given me permission to use their photos. Most of the Russian stuff is mine as is most of the German gear.

[Man of Stoat]

Was this weapon the rifle that was basically rejected for service in the early part of WWII?


You are thinking of the Simonov AVS-36

The SVT 40 was intended to be the standard service rifle, and production of the M-N was actually stopped in favour of it for a while. Well over one million SVT 40 rifles were produced.

[Man of Stoat]

Right, further remarks having acquired some ammunition:

I really struggled to believe that anybody, and I mean anybody, ever managed to get two chargers of ammunition into the magazine in a stress situation. Even getting one in was quite hard, the second one almost impossible. Getting the first in was more difficult than a mauser or an Enfield, and about the same difficulty as getting one into a nagant. Most of my charger clips were extremely tight in the charger guide, and I may take a file to it to widen it slightly.

Given that the rifle was issued with at least three magazines, I suspect that the rifle was not intended to be mostly used as a charger loader.

[Man of Stoat]

Well, I've shot it now.

Accuracy was as good as, if not better than, certain bolt action rifles of the same period. Groups at 50 m just over 2 inches, and that wasn't really trying, and was shooting whole strings without coming off aim.

I used to types of ammunition -- steel cased surplus, and brass cased S&B modern production. Starting with a middle gas setting, my first round of modern ammunition failed to extract. I had to beat the bolt open with a hammer, explaining why the fluting in the throat of the chamber is necessary. Incidentally, this fluting makes very pretty patterns on the brass. Setting the gas regulator to its most open setting, reliable ejection of the commercial ammunition was not quite achieved, and functioning could be described as "marginal".

Switching to the dirt cheap military surplus, with the gas on the same setting, functioning was flawless. I could perhaps back the gas off a setting or two, but ejection did not seem so violent as to warrant this.

The felt recoil is relatively mild (contrary to popular belief), the rifle pointed well, and the stock was comfortable.

The trigger is of the classic Russian "rollover"-type, and breaks consistently.

Overall, I like it, although it is really really really long!

[micmacman]

Was this weapon the rifle that was basically rejected for service in the early part of WWII?


actually its been said that the Germans prefered the SVT-40 over the G43,the G43 operated with too much gas pressure causing parts to break,the SVT-40 was also a better weapon in the hands of the Germans due to the Germans level of weapons training in both use and care,they prized a captured SVT-40

[Jasa]

Would it be accurate to put the SVT-40 between the Garand(best semi-auto) and G43? (G41 being the worst).

[Man of Stoat]

Which G41? There were two...

[Jasa]

Which G41? There were two...

I was only aware of the G41 and the much better G43. If you can post some pics of the two G41s I could probably point out the one I am talking about.

[Man of Stoat]

G41(w):

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/gew41w.jpg

This is the rifle which became the G43 with the substitution of the SVT 40 gas system

G41(m) (ignore the scope):

http://www.gewehr43.com/g41m.jpg

[Jasa]

G41(w):

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/gew41w.jpg

This is the rifle which became the G43 with the substitution of the SVT 40 gas system

G41(m) (ignore the scope):

http://www.gewehr43.com/g41m.jpg

The G41 with the gas trap on the muzzle was the one with the problems right? I remember reading that the original gas trap Garands also had problems until the better system was developed.

How much did you pay for that Tokarev?

[Man of Stoat]

Both G41 models had the ridiculous gas trap, since someone in the German military hierarchy had this stupid idea that tapping the barrel somehow weakened it, which is one of the reasons for the MG 34/MG 42 operating principle. And yes, the early gas trap Garands were not as reliable as the later ones.

[Jasa]

Both G41 models had the ridiculous gas trap, since someone in the German military hierarchy had this stupid idea that tapping the barrel somehow weakened it, which is one of the reasons for the MG 34/MG 42 operating principle. And yes, the early gas trap Garands were not as reliable as the later ones.


Thanks, one of my students just lent me a book after I posted that- it is a Russian Encyclopedia of Firearms and I was able to find both models of the G41. On an off topic note, this book is VERY extensive and features drawings of the SVT carbine version AND the ultra are Japanese Type 5, which is the closest Garand copy I have ever seen. A few years ago I searched all over the internet for information on the Type 5 and came up with absolutely nothing.

[Man of Stoat]

A few more thoughts from me:

This rifle was essentially Russia's answer to the M1 Garand, and was originally intended to replace the ageing Mosin-Nagant M1891/30 rifle in red Army service. The war intervened, however, so production of the Mosin-Nagant rifles continued until after the war. Nevertheless, probably around 1.6 million SVT 40 rifles were produced.

This was, however, not the first semiautomatic rifle in Russian service. Previously, the Red Army had adopted the ill-fated AVS 36 due to Stalin's personal patronage of his favourite weapons designer, Simonov. This was a select fire rifle firing full power rifle ammunition, and was reportedly crap. Tokarev then appeared on the scene in 1938 with his SVT 38 rifle, which initially fared little better. A few modifications later, and we arrive at the successful SVT 40.

This rifle was not beloved by Russian conscripts, but was adored by both Russian specialist troops (such as the Marines) and by the Germans who put them into service whenever they were captured. The possible reasons for this will be discussed later.

The rifle is short stroke gas operated, with a tipping block locking system, very similar in concept to the SLR/FN FAL. In many design respects, the SVT 40 is far advanced of the M1 Garand, the latter of which is little more than a consolidated and slimmed down mechanised gas operated bolt action. The feed is from detachable 10 round box magazines, which can be loaded in emergencies through the top of the open action with chargers. This is difficult however. The safety catch is a small hinged piece behind the trigger which hinders its rearward movement. At about 3.8 kg unloaded, the rifle is very light. To compensate for this, we have a GBFO muzzle brake which tames the recoil nicely and results in almost zero muzzle flip.

Onto the pictures... (CLICK TO ENLARGE)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043188.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157617)

Whilst the rifle is extremely long, it is very well-balanced and is ergonomically well thought out. The action is quite long:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043262.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157618)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043230.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157620)

The muzzle brake is formed integrally with the gas block and sight block:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043239.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157619)

[Man of Stoat]

The muzzle brake diverts the muzzle blast to the sides and slightly upwards, making it unpleasant for bystanders and extremely noisy.

Stripping the breech group is carried out as follows. Firstly, push the dust cover forward slightly and disengage the end of the main spring guide. Then slide the dust cover all the way to the front and remove it.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043246.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157622)

Holding the middle of the front main spring guide, remove the main spring. Then retract the bolt and carrier, and remove it by rotating the whole thing anticlockwise slightly at the absolute rear of its travel.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043327.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157624)

Looking at the bolt and carrier, you can easily see the lugs and cam surfaces which cause the bolt to pivot up and down.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043343.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157625)

If desired, the trigger group can be removed by a swinging open the catch at the rear of the receiver, and pushing in the locking collar with a round of ammunition. However, getting this back in requires a mallet.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043362.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157627)

[Man of Stoat]

All the receiver group components separated and laid out:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043321.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157628)

The trigger has your typical Russian rollover-type pull, which feels very similar to a Mosin-Nagant. This type of trigger pull was favoured by the Imperial Russians, since they believed that it helped with instinctive shooting.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043311.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157629)

Removing the cleaning rod, front band, top handguard, and top gas system shield reveals the gas system:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043423.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157630)

Removing the operating rod and gas cylinder reveals the gas plug.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043455.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157631)

[Man of Stoat]

Unscrewing the gas plug and removing the five position regulator completes the stripping of the gas system.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043424.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157632)

The gas system of the SA80 is directly derived from this, the differences on the SA80 being that the regulator is integral with the gas plug, and that the gas system vents to stop the rearward travel of the operating rod. On the SVT 40, the rearward motion is stopped by a shoulder on the operating rod, so the only gas to escape the system is that which gets around the head of the gas plug. This means that the SVT 40 gas system is far cleaner than that of the SA80, since far less gas passes through it.

For the sake of interest, the tool roll contains (top to bottom): gas plug and gas regulator wrench, cleaning rod handle, Jag, pick (for getting crap out of bits), foresight/stock bolt key and guide piece. (apologies for the focus)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043497.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157633)

The rear sight is typical Mosin-Nagant type, as is the post and globe foresight.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610043428.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157634)

Now, why was this marvellous piece of kit not liked by conscripts? It is this author's opinion that it is a training and motivation issue. this rifle is far more complicated to operate, strip, and clean that your bog standard Mosin-Nagant bolt action or PPSh submachine gun. Russian small arms ammunition contained corrosive primer compounds, as did British ammunition. This starts corrosion extremely quickly, and all gas affected parts have to be cleaned with water/alkali solution, otherwise they rust. Essentially, if you shoot your rifle at sunset and do not clean it, by sunrise the gas parts will have stiffened due to rust, and there will be rust in the bore.

The gas regulator is very small and fiddly and has to be set by eye, an extremely difficult task in the dark -- assuming you have not lost the damn thing. In addition, as standard only three magazines were issued, and the charger loading functionality is poor (even worse than on the Mosin-Nagant rifles)

If all of this is not done correctly, the rifle won't work properly. Hence its reputation for unreliability amongst the conscript troops. It was, however, well loved by well disciplined and well-trained troops, who could probably scab buckshee extra magazines. The Boxies loved it!

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33610552013.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4157869)

[pdf27]

Photos not showing...

[Man of Stoat]

They are for me... anybody else having the same trouble?

[VonWeyer]

Not showing for me either.
Congrats on getting the tokarev.

[Man of Stoat]

Okay, will post the pictures another way. Give me a minute...

Should be okay now, but you'll have to click the thumbnails to enlarge.

[VonWeyer]

Awesome photo's.
Thanx for all the information.

[Dani]

Strictly disassembly and reassembly instructions:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/svt40/rifle/pdf/svt40rifle.pdf

Edit: Also http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/svt_on.asp

[GermanSoldier]

actually its been said that the Germans prefered the SVT-40 over the G43,the G43 operated with too much gas pressure causing parts to break,the SVT-40 was also a better weapon in the hands of the Germans due to the Germans level of weapons training in both use and care,they prized a captured SVT-40

I agree. Because in one of my books I am reading.(informational book)It had a German carrying a SVT-40. The caption said that it was well wanted in the war by the German Troops.

[Ranger]

I really enjoy shooting my SVT-40, and find it to be very reliable. However, as has already been mentioned, field stripping it can be a beast.

[micmacman]

G43's wre prone to breakage due to the high operating pressures of the gas system,this is the reason the Germans preferred the SVT-40 over the G43,much more reliable

i have a G43 DUV 44,a K43 AC45,and a SVT-40

the G 43 and K43 are fine weapons with newly manufactured gas system,just install the gas parts when going plinking,but am still very nervous while shooting them so they dont get out often

as for cleaning the SVT-40 it is a pain at first,but once you have done it enough its not that bad,try cleaning an Egyption Hakim sometime

[kallinikosdrama1992]

was the tokarev the automatic carbine ? am i right ? i think it was good rifle , but it was used after 1942 if i am not mistaken . but is there anyone who can give the difference of the firing range of tokarev and the mosin-nagant ?