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Panzerknacker
08-02-2006, 10:30 PM
Equipment used by the BIMs ( Marines batallions) in the conflict.

Panzerknacker
08-02-2006, 10:37 PM
Combat radio PCR-77 with assault gear.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7493/pcr77pm0.jpg


The well know Browning M2HB cal .50 in this case a argentine variant made by FM.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8715/127mm8.jpg

The belgian FN-MAG 7,62 mg, also made by FM; the usual gas settings in this gun gave him a 700 rpm.

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/9053/magjf7.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-03-2006, 09:57 AM
FM 60mm mortar with HE and Smoke phosphorous proyectiles, the maximun range of this weapon was 1550 m.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/899/mortero60mo2.jpg


FM 81mm mortar ( derivated from the Brandt) with HE normal, HE high capacity and the WP. the maximum range was about 2600 m.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2817/mortero81aq5.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-03-2006, 11:23 AM
The always presente FM-FAL and a 90 mm recoiless rifle.

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2859/90mmxo6.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-03-2006, 07:50 PM
FN-MAG nest.


http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8695/puestolv8.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-04-2006, 10:55 PM
"C" ration; in this contains: a package of dewatered Coffe with Milk and sugar,1 can of prepared food ( in this case beef with potatoes and sauce), 4 packages of cookies, 3 pots of marmalade, 1 bar of chocolat, 10 candies, 8 pills of solid fuel, a tin heather ( suport to the can) 50 matches and a pack of 20 cigarretes (this last one uselles stuff by the way)


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1871/comidaos5.jpg

Hiddenrug
08-04-2006, 11:00 PM
Interesting Recoiless rifle! lol I would hate to cop it in the gut from one of those!

Panzerknacker
08-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Anoter pic of this in use by a BIM combat patrol.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1732/atardecer2lm1.jpg


Inside the MG nest.

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/1560/bunkerlq9.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-08-2006, 09:29 PM
Corporal medic in action, this marines batallion lost 30 men killed and 170 wounded, also claimed had killed or wounded more than 200 british in combat.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6394/medicojs0.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-14-2006, 07:55 PM
Oto Melara 105mm light Field gun.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/667/1es0.jpg


Packed for parachute launch.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7503/2ae0.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-18-2006, 08:25 PM
An amphibius vehicle Amtrak rolling over the streets of Puerto Argentino/Port Stanley.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7560/amtrackjpux2.jpg

Hiddenrug
08-19-2006, 06:42 AM
Now that is a PIMPED OUT RIDE! lol imagine seeing that on your doorstep!

Cuts
08-19-2006, 08:29 AM
About 1800 civvies didn't have to imagine it.

Hiddenrug
08-19-2006, 08:45 AM
It happens in the world to all the wrong people.

Panzerknacker
08-19-2006, 01:01 PM
Two more of the marines armor, the guy in the top of the image of the fist pic is an Army coronel , Mohamed Ali Seineldin, he atempt a coup de etat in 1990, failed, and it was incarcelated for 15 years.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6089/seineldin54vk.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8008/desem27jw.jpg

Hiddenrug
08-19-2006, 05:58 PM
It looks like a very nice place to live over in Argentina. Too bad what Maggie Thatcher did eh boys. They pushed it too far.

Panzerknacker
08-19-2006, 07:21 PM
Probably, I have to make some corrections to my later statement, Seineldin was not "incarcelated for 15 years" , he receive a life sentence in 1990 but was given the full presidential pardon in 2004.

Panzerknacker
08-27-2006, 03:24 PM
Another pic of the weapons, this time a 81mm nest. At the left top the shield of the BIM 5 marines.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5550/nidoqp5.jpg

Panzerknacker
09-19-2006, 08:38 PM
Fal, sniper variant.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5660/imagen3yl5.jpg

cpl condor
09-28-2006, 02:55 PM
Even today is used the same sniper FAL. It was rarely to see in the islands.
Only a few NCOs have it, only in Infantería de Marina.

Panzerknacker
09-29-2006, 07:44 PM
La Infanteria de Marina era en mi opinion la unica fuerza Terrestre profesional presente en malvinas, por eso la elegi para este topico. :rolleyes:

Panzerknacker
01-07-2007, 03:30 PM
Video of the LARC-5 vehicle:

http://www.ara.mil.ar/multimedia/imagenes_video/imVAR.asf

VonWeyer
01-07-2007, 03:39 PM
Looks like a very adaptable and practical vehicle.
Does it have any armament?

Panzerknacker
01-07-2007, 03:51 PM
No fixed armament as far as I now.


http://www.saorbats.com.ar/GaleriaSaorbats/ARA/images/LARC%205_jpg.jpg

VonWeyer
01-07-2007, 04:09 PM
Hey, great pic, thanx.

Panzerknacker
03-25-2007, 11:37 AM
No worries.


A little video of the BIM 5 in the islands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V52Q_htoLz0

Panzerknacker
03-29-2007, 08:04 PM
25 years ago, two tactical divers in the first hours after the landing, scan from "GENTE" magazine.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f34/rhcp04/comandosanfibios.jpg

1000ydstare
03-30-2007, 12:40 AM
Is that a Bedford 4 Tonner in the background?

Looks like one, British cam and Brit number plate.

*7 RN **. At the time British Mil number plates were 12 AB 34, now they have reveresed AB 12 CD.

Panzerknacker
06-01-2007, 10:36 AM
Some Marines being blessed by the Navy catholic chaplain before the landing inside the ship ARA Cabo San Antonio.

http://www.bichosverdes.org/misapredesemb.jpg



2 image of the tank landing ship ARA Cabo San Antonio.

http://www.bichosverdes.org/CaboSanAntonio.jpg



http://www.bichosverdes.org/Desembarco4.jpg


Amtrack in his way:

http://www.bichosverdes.org/Desembarco5.jpg

BDL
06-01-2007, 05:48 PM
Corporal medic in action, this marines batallion lost 30 men killed and 170 wounded, also claimed had killed or wounded more than 200 british in combat.

Does anyone know whether over claiming of enemy casualties was common to both sides in the war (assuming that one battalion claiming fully one fifth of the TOTAL British casualties for the entire war is over claiming)?

1000ydstare
06-02-2007, 02:16 AM
I think to be honest, it is pretty common for all of the Argentine figures to be slightly exagerated... bordering on full blown lies!!!

Whether this was just because of the situation in Argentina at the time wrt a military dictatership or just propaganda for the masses that has some how passed in to fact I don't know.

Facts and figures.
28,000 British airmen, sailors and soldiers sailed south in 1982.

256 were killed and 3 civilians.
123 British Army personnel, 88 Royal Navy, 10 Royal Fleet Auxiliary, 9 Merchant Navy, 25 Royal Marines, 1 RAF, and 3 women civilian casualties.

A total of 777 personnel were wounded during the war of which 581 were evacuated to the hospital ship Uganda, the remainder were evacuated to the United Kingdom through Montevideo.

In total 1,036 killed or wounded.

We can take out the three civialians wounded, as we know that they were killed by Argentine artillery.

256 killed, 777 wounded total 1,033.

We could further go down the various battles and actions ie Goose Green, Coventry, Antelope etc until we have a grey area of those killed and wounded. ie the 56 killed at Bluff cove and the many wounded by burns at Bluff Cove.

But I will surmise that this particular Marine Battalions claims are, to put it bluntly, rubbish. They probably have more to do with keeping their tally up with the British.

Points to note...

this marines batallion lost 30 men killed and 170 wounded

My bold. 30 + 170 = (strangely enough) 200 killed and wounded.


also claimed had killed or wounded more than 200 british in combat

If all the Argetnine units did as well as they claimed the British casualty figures would be much higher, and the important question would still remain unanswered... how did they lose?

Lone Ranger
06-02-2007, 04:24 AM
We can take out the three civialians wounded, as we know that they were killed by Argentine artillery.

Sorry to be pedantic but the three civilians killed were killed in a friendly fire incident when a 4.5" shell from HMS Avenger hit a house. The ship was attempting to hit Falkland Government houses nearby occupied by Argentine officers.

Sue Whitley and Doreen Bonner were killed instantly when the shell struck. Sue was a teacher in the Falkland Islands and there is now a school art prize dedicated to her memory. Doreen had devoted most of her adult life to the care of her disabled daughter Cheryl. Mary Goodwin succumbed to shrapnel injuries later in hospital. Mary was the elderly mother of Laurie Goodwin who was also wounded in the same attack.

1000ydstare
06-02-2007, 04:27 AM
Oh yeah, so they were.

My mistake. I was thinking of another arty barrage affecting Civies.

Either way we can leave them out as they weren't killed by Argentine Marines.

Lone Ranger
06-02-2007, 04:35 AM
Indeed true, the Argentine claims are often ridiculous. I've seen one where they claimed 154 aircraft shot down from a total deployed of around 20. A joke in the Falklands at the time was when a Harrier flew over Stanley they shot down both of them.

The only casualty of the Port Stanley air defence was one of their own Mirage jets.

Panzerknacker
06-02-2007, 11:43 PM
The only casualty of the Port Stanley air defence was one of their own Mirage jets

Lone, check a little bit before posting, that statement of your is completely wrong.




Points to note...

Quote:
this marines batallion lost 30 men killed and 170 wounded
My bold. 30 + 170 = (strangely enough) 200 killed and wounded.


Quote:
also claimed had killed or wounded more than 200 british in combat
If all the Argetnine units did as well as they claimed the British casualty figures would be much higher, and the important question would still remain unanswered... how did they lose?


I gave the exact figure of killed and wounded in the BIM 5 because I know that...I dont know the casualties inflicted by the fifth Battalion in the British side.

And by the way: Can we let this thread only for to the Argentine marines ?

There is already an Air War topic.

1000ydstare
06-03-2007, 03:18 AM
Easy enough to divi up though.

Who did the BIM 5 fight on the islands?

Just having a quick look now.

According to one google hit.


Batallón de Infantería de Marina 5. The Argentinian 5th Marine Battalion are reputed to have been the best troops on the Falkland Islands

I am assuming here they are not including any British units... including the Army Catering Corps :D

1000ydstare
06-03-2007, 03:48 AM
An eyewitness account from BIM 5




The Argentinian 5th Marine Battalion are reputed to have been the best troops on the Falkland Islands. Prior to invading the Falklands the Regiment was reinforced to a Light Brigade. The Officers and NCO's were all regular experinced soldiers and the rank and file was made up of conscripts. The following excerpt was extracted from the book 5th Infantry Brigade in the Falklands (Leo Cooper 2003) it tells the story of Marine Private Jorge Sanchez's experince during the fight for Mount Tumbledown:

"The fighting was sporadic, but at times fierce, as we tried to maintain our position. By this time we had ten or twelve dead including one officer [Second Lieutenant Oscar Silva]. I hadn't fired directly at a British soldier, as they had been too hard to get a clear shot at. I can remember lying there with all this firing going over my head. They were everywhere. The platoon commander [First Lieutenant Carlos Vazquez] then called Private Ramon Rotela manning the 60 millimetre mortar and Rotela fired it straight up into the air so that the bombs landed on ourselves. At this point I had been up and in actual combat for over six hours. It was snowing and we were tired. Some of the guys had surrendered, but I didn't want to do this. I had only twenty rounds left and I decided to continue the fight from Mount William. I popped up, fired a rifle grenade in the direction of 8 to 10 British soldiers to keep their heads down, and then ran for the 2nd Platoon. I can remember saying some type of prayer hoping the British wouldn't shoot me in the back".

1000ydstare
06-03-2007, 04:10 AM
BIM 5 seems to have only taken part in Tumbledown and then the defence of Stanley, which didn't really involve much fighting.

Oddly enough there is a claim of killing and wounding up to 50 Gurkhas in one clash on tumbledown as the 1/7GURKHA moved up to Mount William.

The 2SG lost 9 dead and 51 wounded on Tumbledown.

No Gurkhas died in the war, and only about 10 were wounded.

Most claims about BIM 5 seem to indicate 34 were killed and 105 wounded in the entire Falklands War.

Good to see the Argentines still have a healthy fear and distaste for cold steal... with claims of a Scots Guardsman bayonetting an Argentine soldier helping a wounded comrade. And a few other moments in which the conscript nature of the bayonetted is brought to play.

But then there is also a case where a sniper from the BIM 5, covering their retreat, deliberatly fired on a Scout picking up casualties.

Rising Sun*
06-03-2007, 10:47 AM
I am assuming here they are not including any British units... including the Army Catering Corps :D

It might be better to leave the tucker* ****ers out of this.

They might have caused more British casualties than the Argies, :D

*Tucker = food in Australian usage.

Thus, 'tucker ****er' = cook, usually military or other large scale cook who can be relied upon to make all meals look and taste equally bad regardless of the range and quality of ingredients.

Panzerknacker
06-06-2007, 01:47 PM
Corvette leutenant Pedro Edgardo Giachino from Tactical divers group, the first argentine casualty of the war, was killed in action the 2 april.


http://www.redargentina.com/malvinas/gia.jpg

Panzerknacker
07-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Tiger cat AA battery of the MI.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4584/mlv99qf.jpg

Panzerknacker
08-30-2007, 12:22 PM
Related info, the other side against the BIM 5.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1368/sefesadon7.jpg

Panzerknacker
04-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Some blurry but interesting pics of the navy commandos in Moody Brook.
( excesive face cammo for several of them :D)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4899/2so6.jpg


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9586/formacinmoodybrook0tkzq3.jpg

pulqui
03-24-2010, 05:00 PM
Why are brits so eager to diminish the quality of argentine fighters? They are spitting upside. If their foes were so lousy, they would result even more lousy because they should defeat our troops on may the 2nd. Not month and a half later...

leccy
03-24-2010, 06:23 PM
Why are brits so eager to diminish the quality of argentine fighters? They are spitting upside. If their foes were so lousy, they would result even more lousy because they should defeat our troops on may the 2nd. Not month and a half later...

The troops left to defend the Falklands were mainly conscripts who had not been in combat before, although some fought hard others were not prepared either with training, supplies or mentally for the fighting that came along.

It takes time to walk from one side of the Falklands to the other when carrying all your kit. Supplies had to be brought up and constantly delivered to the troops, they needed rest before launching full scale attacks against troops that had had weeks to dig themselves in and lay minefields.

The weather was a teeny bit against the attacker as well.

Rising Sun*
03-25-2010, 08:43 AM
Why are brits so eager to diminish the quality of argentine fighters? They are spitting upside. If their foes were so lousy, they would result even more lousy because they should defeat our troops on may the 2nd. Not month and a half later...

Do a bit of reading on what's involved in an amphibious assault against an entrenched enemy, and more so one rather distant from the invader's base.

This will protect you from making such militarily uninformed and quite silly comments in future.