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Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 03:39 AM
Here is some photos done by me in 'Poklonnaya gora' museum in Moscow. There are much more potos from this museum and some other museums of Russia if people would be interested.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/81mm.jpg
81mm mortar

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/DP.jpg
DP light MG

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/aa.jpg
Some meanie AA:)

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 03:40 AM
http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/brenandmg42.jpg
Bren gun and MG42

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/grens.jpg
Some russian grenades, other items.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/mauser.jpg
Award mauser - note the plate with engraving.

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 03:41 AM
http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/maxim.jpg
Maxim MG

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/mg34.jpg
Schweres MG34

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/pak.jpg
AT, but i don't recall what type, maybe german 37mm

Dani
06-28-2006, 03:43 AM
Great!
Please post more!

Off-topic:
Please disregard my last 2 PMs. You managed to add pictures. Well done.

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 03:45 AM
http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/saaf.jpg
Some SAAF propaganda. In original (2048x...) image text is clerly readable.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/wespe.jpg
Wespe, i presume?

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/tank1.jpg
Italian? I don't recall.

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 03:47 AM
BTW, who would be the first to see the error in 'Bren gun and MG42' photo? ;)

Dani
06-28-2006, 03:58 AM
BTW, who would be the first to see the error in 'Bren gun and MG42' photo? ;)

Missing of the curved magazine on Bren?

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 03:58 AM
http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/pz3.jpg

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/dovator.jpg
T-34/76

Outerheaven
06-28-2006, 04:00 AM
Yeah It's not a Bren. Althought I don't know what it is. Is it Italian or Japanese?

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 04:00 AM
Missing of the curved magazine on Bren?
I don't know about curved magazine.

Yeah It's not a Bren. Althought I don't know what it is. Is it Italian or Japanese??
I'm not sure, maybe it's not a Bren though i thought it is.

No, there is some another weird thing on this photo:)

Edited for changing the poster quoted.

Outerheaven
06-28-2006, 04:10 AM
This is a tough one. The only thing I find wierd is the metal tude supporting the bipod under the barrel of the gun I don't think is a Bren.

Dani
06-28-2006, 04:12 AM
[quote=Sneaksie]I don't know about curved magazine.
[quote]

My bad. I found a picture of .792mm version of Bren Mark I LMG:
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/bren.htm

Anyway our weapon expert is MoS. I'm sure that he'll figure out.

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 01:40 PM
Hint: look at MG42. There is something wrong, even if you're unfamiliar with it's construction.

SS Tiger
06-28-2006, 02:13 PM
Hint: look at MG42. There is something wrong, even if you're unfamiliar with it's construction.

Looks like the ammo belt is in backwards!

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 02:15 PM
These pictures were made during retro airshow in Monino, Moscow region.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/il2.jpg

Famous Il-2 Sturmovik

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/il2f.jpg
Il-2, front view

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/stuka.jpg
Stuka

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/ba.jpg
BA series armored car, probably BA-64, turret removed

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 02:16 PM
Looks like the ammo belt is in backwards!
SS Tiger wins! :D

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 02:24 PM
These are from outdoor museum in Krasnodar region. It is unique - it's situated in crater remains of extinct (for now at least) volcano.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/120mm.jpg
120mm mortar

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/bm13.jpg
BM-13 'Katyusha' rocket artillery

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/is3.jpg
IS-3. Unlike IS-2, it weren't used in a war.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/is3b.jpg
Front view of IS-3.

Firefly
06-28-2006, 02:26 PM
Its the Czech Bren I think. Also used by the Germans.

I'm not sure but I think the IS-3 may have been used in the Far East in 1945.

SS Tiger
06-28-2006, 02:30 PM
Are the tires painted white for any tactical reason, or are they just to make the vehicle look smart?

Sneaksie
06-28-2006, 02:36 PM
http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/twin57.jpg
Twin 57mm AA naval mount

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/zis3.jpg
Probably Zis-3 divisional gun (76mm), although it may be some earlier model.
Main AT weapon of soviet infantry division during most part of the war as well as general artillery howitzer. 122mm and 152mm howitzer were of course more effective in artillery barrage role.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/85mm.jpg
AA, more likely 85mm than 76mm.

http://darkomen.hotmail.ru/Images/Weaponry/t3485c.jpg
View from T-34/85 turret roof.


Are the tires painted white for any tactical reason, or are they just to make the vehicle look smart?
Just to make it look smart i suppose.

Chevan
06-28-2006, 03:10 PM
Hi Sneaksie.
more photos.
Novorossiysk. Museum under the open sky on the "small earth".
http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/01.jpg
the common view
http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/14.jpg
german antitank gun
http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/17.jpg
the guns
http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/15.jpg
the howitzers

Chevan
06-28-2006, 03:18 PM
Novorossiysk. Museum under the open sky on the "small earth".
http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/13.jpg

http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/11.jpg

http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/20.jpg

http://kuban-tourism.ru/katalog/0004/gallery/32.jpg
IL-2 engines.
The majority of the exhibits of museum was raised from the bottom of the black sea

bas
06-28-2006, 10:42 PM
BTW, who would be the first to see the error in 'Bren gun and MG42' photo? ;)

It's not a Bren but a Czech Zb-26.


Hint: look at MG42. There is something wrong, even if you're unfamiliar with it's construction.

The MG.42 looks normal, the only thing that I could see that could possibly be out of place is that the belt is upside down. But the photo isn't clear enough to be conclusive.


Looks like the ammo belt is in backwards!

Nope, the Germans used a non-breaking 50 round belt feed from the left side. You would expect the empty belt to exit from the right like that.

Sneaksie
06-29-2006, 01:06 AM
Nope, the Germans used a non-breaking 50 round belt feed from the left side. You would expect the empty belt to exit from the right like that.
Bullets in it are facing backwards.

Lancer44
06-29-2006, 01:27 AM
Hint: look at MG42. There is something wrong, even if you're unfamiliar with it's construction.

Hi Sneaksie,

Very nice photos! Congratulations.

I tell you what is "something wrong". Most people remember subconsciously
MG-42 photographed from left hand side, with characteristic barrel cover and "holes" in it.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3613/mg42c0kc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seeing MG-42 photographed from "less photogenic" right hand side and not being familiar with overall look of the weapon your eye starts to register "something wrong". It is the slot to remove and quickly change barrel.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/391/mg42a5uk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here you can see how it worked:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5540/mg42e18al.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I hope I helped. Tell mi if this was it...

And send more photos!

Photos and drawing from excellent Russian site: http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg33-e.htm

Cheers,

Lancer44

Sneaksie
06-29-2006, 02:41 AM
Very nice photos! Congratulations.
Thanks!


I hope I helped. Tell mi if this was it...
You have quite a knowledge of MG42. What i originally meant 'wrong' was that bullets in ammo belt are facing gunner, as SS Tiger wrote:)

Lancer44
06-29-2006, 05:43 AM
Novorossiysk. Museum under the open sky on the "small earth".
The majority of the exhibits of museum was raised from the bottom of the black sea

Hi Chevan,
I hope you are not afraid to communicate with me...
Yes, I have horns, tail and hoofs, but maybe even with the devil... lol

Mate,
Is your "small earth" - Malaya Zemlya?
I read about big soviet landing operation there.
What is your opinion - was it really major operation or a lot was written about it, just because comrad Brezhnev was somwhere close to it?

BTW - place must be beautiful.

I appreciate if you can answer.

Cheers,

Lancer44

bas
06-29-2006, 03:43 PM
Thanks!
You have quite a knowledge of MG42. What i originally meant 'wrong' was that bullets in ammo belt are facing gunner, as SS Tiger wrote:)

Sneaksie,

That is not correct, the belt is empty, and because the gun feeds from the left side to right, it is in the correct position. Here is a photo of a loaded German MG belt you can see what I mean:

http://www.gunpics.net/german/mg34/belt1.JPG

See how there is a tab at the bottom of each link that clicks into the rim of each round? That is what you are mistaking for bullets.

If you look at Lancers first photo you will see that a loaded belt is quite a bit wider than an empty one and that it feeds from the left. Also look at the point where the belt enters the receiver, it is significantly wider than the exit point to accomodate the bullets of a loaded belt. As the cartridges are stripped from the belt and the spent cases ejected down there is no need for the exit point to be wide.

So there is nothing obviously wrong with the set-up of the MG.42 in your picture

SS Tiger
06-29-2006, 05:51 PM
On a closer inspection, I think bas is correct.

Sneaksie
06-30-2006, 01:54 AM
Well then, the museum was right after all:)

ww2admin
06-30-2006, 07:44 AM
Great photos guys! I enjoyed them.

Outerheaven
07-01-2006, 12:12 AM
Now that you guys bring it up I've never seen the right side of the MG42. It's a very ingenius design for quick changing the barrel.

Chevan
07-03-2006, 08:01 AM
Hi Chevan,
I hope you are not afraid to communicate with me...
Yes, I have horns, tail and hoofs, but maybe even with the devil... lol


You have a horns? Your wife work ? :-)


Mate,
Is your "small earth" - Malaya Zemlya?
I read about big soviet landing operation there.
What is your opinion - was it really major operation or a lot was written about it, just because comrad Brezhnev was somwhere close to it?

BTW - place must be beautiful.

I appreciate if you can answer.

Cheers,

Lancer44

Yes its "Malaya Zemlya" - The small piece of the earth between the Novorossisk molded edge and the black sea where into 1943 was landed Soviet naval force. An enormous quantity of people there perished (Soviet and of Germans).
Yes , you right, the small earth became widely it was known because of Brezhnev's book. Several museums and memorial into the memory about those be killeden in 70 years there were opened

SS Tiger
07-03-2006, 09:14 AM
Now that you guys bring it up I've never seen the right side of the MG42. It's a very ingenius design for quick changing the barrel.

I seem to remember somebody posted a video of the barrel change, it is indeed a very quick change. I'll have a look for the video.

Lancer44
07-03-2006, 06:19 PM
You have a horns? Your wife work ? :-)

Yes its "Malaya Zemlya" - The small piece of the earth between the Novorossisk molded edge and the black sea where into 1943 was landed Soviet naval force. An enormous quantity of people there perished (Soviet and of Germans).
Yes , you right, the small earth became widely it was known because of Brezhnev's book. Several museums and memorial into the memory about those be killeden in 70 years there were opened

Hi Chevan,

Very interesting. Naval and large landing operations were rare on Eastern Front. I think that it would be interesting if you write a bit more about landing on "Small Land" - "Small Earth" is not a good choice for translation.
Common picture of Red Army is just masses of tanks, infantry and artillery crushing German forces.
Landing operation is different and could be of interest to many forum members. If you need help with translation I can help.

Cheers,

Lancer44

Chevan
07-15-2006, 10:26 PM
Good morning , Lanser.
I do not know the details of the landing operations of the Red Army, but such operations there was much, especially in the south in the Black sea into 1941-42. At this moment the command attempted by any means to stop the advance of Germans in the Kavkaz. Such landings were usually badly prepared, not there was interaction with the aviation and the Black Sea fleet.
Therefore there were many victims. At first such landings did not create large problems for to Manstein in the south. However, everything changed after the Stalingrad.

Common picture of Red Army is just masses of tanks, infantry and artillery crushing German forces
this is analogous to the phrase "Common picture of allied was just masses of aircrafts bombing germans ". Very primitive point.
the general operations of the Red Army are examined here http://wwii-soldat.narod.ru/operations.htm
There were many different operations of Red Army. There were airborne operations, amphibious forces, landings on the aircraft into the rear of enemy for strengthening the partisans. There were strategic offensive operations (1943-45), battles to the survival (Kursk battle). There was the finally bright operation on the environment of Germans in the Stalingrad.

Lancer44
07-16-2006, 03:24 AM
Good morning , Lanser.

this is analogous to the phrase "Common picture of allied was just masses of aircrafts bombing germans ". Very primitive point.

There were strategic offensive operations (1943-45), battles to the survival (Kursk battle). There was the finally bright operation on the environment of Germans in the Stalingrad.

Hi Chevan,

I'm glad you're back!
(Please, ask me or, perhaps Dani, (I hope he'll agree), to help with translations. Computer translators are the worst choice for military terms and jargon. The last sentence you wrote: "...bright operation on the environment of Germans in the Stalingrad."

It should be "...brilliant operation of encircling German forces in Stalingrad".

or alternatively: "...brilliant operation of envelopment of German forces in Stalingrad."

You are right that Red Army pioneered many innovative forms of warfare.
Among them airborne. I believe that many members of the Forum have very faint idea about soviet paratroopers before WWII.
Can you bring something on? Let's say maneuvres in 1938. Transport of T-38 tanks by planes. Paratroopers brigades and so on?
Pictures most welcome!


Cheers,

Lancer44

(How hot is in sunny Krasnodar???)

Dani
07-16-2006, 04:46 AM
(Please, ask me or, perhaps Dani, (I hope he'll agree), to help with translations. Computer translators are the worst choice for military terms and jargon.

:D Once and for all: I don't know Russian language!! I only know few words in Russian. The situation is similar with Spanish, French, German and Italian language.

Chevan
07-16-2006, 05:44 AM
Hi Chevan,

I'm glad you're back!
(Please, ask me or, perhaps Dani, (I hope he'll agree), to help with translations. Computer translators are the worst choice for military terms and jargon. The last sentence you wrote: "...bright operation on the environment of Germans in the Stalingrad."

It should be "...brilliant operation of encircling German forces in Stalingrad".

or alternatively: "...brilliant operation of envelopment of German forces in Stalingrad."

You are right that Red Army pioneered many innovative forms of warfare.
Among them airborne. I believe that many members of the Forum have very faint idea about soviet paratroopers before WWII.
Can you bring something on? Let's say maneuvres in 1938. Transport of T-38 tanks by planes. Paratroopers brigades and so on?
Pictures most welcome!


Cheers,

Lancer44

(How hot is in sunny Krasnodar???)
Yes , sometimes computer translator give the nonsence. I am sorry. One think to know the words, another - to construct right sentence. Its not easy for me.
I not much know about the Paratroopers troops of the Red Army before WW2. But amphibious tanks of RKKA are very interesting.
T-37A (first issure in 1934), T-38(1935), T-40(1939) - it were unique tanks in Red Army.
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/t37/t37_19.jpg
T-37A under bomber TB-3
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/t37/t37_44.jpg
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/t37/t37_21.jpg
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/t37/t37_22.jpg
it is interesting, what was sensations of the command of tank at this moment..

More interest information and photos about T-37/38/40 see http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/t37/t37_3.html

(the weathe in Krasnodar is rainy)

Lancer44
07-16-2006, 06:24 AM
:D Once and for all: I don't know Russian language!! I only know few words in Russian. The situation is similar with Spanish, French, German and Italian language.

Hi Dani,

I know that you don't know Russian. My command of Russian is perhaps just a tiny bit better than yours. I would not attempt to translate from original Russian text - no way! It would take ages.
But I can find some sense in computer translations and add value to it.
Same with you, your historical knowledge and experience makes it possible.

On the other hand, you are able to be objective and moderate...
I'm sometimes subjective and my opinions can be biased... I have to admit to it.
So acting as a team, we can help Chevan to pass valuable and interesting information to other members of the Forum - and I hope we will not kill each other in the process...

Cheers,

Lancer44

Chevan
07-16-2006, 07:21 AM
Lancer, leave Dani at rest please...

"acting as a team" - i like this forum becouse you are here.
I have much fun.
The "team of pole and rumanian" will try to direct to the "right way" of the one straying russian. ha ha ha
(excuse me guys)
Is this humanitarian assistance? :-)
I respect both you oppinion and Dani's, Lancer. But i hope for the direct contact with me it's not nessesary appeal to Dani.
And i think that "other members of the Forum" has own tongue.
I will glad to answer to everybody.

Cheers.

Dani
07-16-2006, 02:33 PM
Lancer, leave Dani at rest please...

"acting as a team" - i like this forum becouse you are here.
I have much fun.
The "team of pole and rumanian" will try to direct to the "right way" of the one straying russian. ha ha ha
(excuse me guys)
Is this humanitarian assistance? :-)
I respect both you oppinion and Dani's, Lancer. But i hope for the direct contact with me it's not nessesary appeal to Dani.
And i think that "other members of the Forum" has own tongue.
I will glad to answer to everybody.

Cheers.

... err, a translating team, Chevan! ;)
No offence intended and I'm glad that you are back. Looking forward to your posts mate!

Chevan
07-16-2006, 03:39 PM
... err, a translating team, Chevan! ;)
No offence intended and I'm glad that you are back. Looking forward to your posts mate!
I just joke, Dani. It's all right.

Lancer44
07-16-2006, 06:05 PM
Lancer, leave Dani at rest please...

"acting as a team" - i like this forum becouse you are here.
I have much fun.
The "team of pole and rumanian" will try to direct to the "right way" of the one straying russian. ha ha ha
(excuse me guys)
Is this humanitarian assistance? :-)
I respect both you oppinion and Dani's, Lancer. But i hope for the direct contact with me it's not nessesary appeal to Dani.
And i think that "other members of the Forum" has own tongue.
I will glad to answer to everybody.

Cheers.

OK, OK Chevan,

I'm glad you're back because things were a bit boring.

Cheers,

Lancer44