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Mustang88
06-23-2006, 10:11 PM
I love the Thompson Sub-Machine Gun, especially the M1A1 model. Do you guys think we should've replaced the Thompson with the Grease Gun? Personally I hate the Army for doing that.

american sniper
06-23-2006, 10:29 PM
*Thompson

*Operation- Selective fire (fully and semi-automatic)
*Caliber - .45 (11.4 mm)
*Muzzle velocity- 280 mps (920 fps)
*Ammunition- .45 ACP, 230 gr bullet, 5 gr charge
*Capacity- Thompson (M1928A1): 50-round drum & 20- and 30-round detachable box magazine.
*M1 and M1A1: 20-and 30-round detachable box magazine
*Weight - 4.9 kg (11 lbs)
*Overall length- 85.6 cm (33.7 in)
*Rate of fire- 600 to 725 rpm
*Effective range- 50m (55yds)
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*Grease Gun

*Operation - Fully Automatic, Blowback
*Caliber - .45 (11.4 mm)
*Muzzle velocity- 280 mps (920 fps)
*Ammunition- .45 ACP, 230 gr bullet, 5 gr charge
*Capacity - 30-round detachable box magazine
*Weight - 8 lbs
*Overall length- 2ft 5.8in, stock extended
1ft 10.8in, stock retracted
*Rate of fire- 350-450 rpm
*Effective range- 50m (55yds)


I have some friends that moved away along time ago and they tested the thompson and said they loved it

Lancer44
06-24-2006, 06:24 AM
*Thompson

*Operation- Selective fire (fully and semi-automatic)
*Caliber - .45 (11.4 mm)
*Muzzle velocity- 280 mps (920 fps)
*Ammunition- .45 ACP, 230 gr bullet, 5 gr charge
*Capacity- Thompson (M1928A1): 50-round drum & 20- and 30-round detachable box magazine.
*M1 and M1A1: 20-and 30-round detachable box magazine
*Weight - 4.9 kg (11 lbs)
*Overall length- 85.6 cm (33.7 in)
*Rate of fire- 600 to 725 rpm
*Effective range- 50m (55yds)
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*Grease Gun

*Operation - Fully Automatic, Blowback
*Caliber - .45 (11.4 mm)
*Muzzle velocity- 280 mps (920 fps)
*Ammunition- .45 ACP, 230 gr bullet, 5 gr charge
*Capacity - 30-round detachable box magazine
*Weight - 8 lbs
*Overall length- 2ft 5.8in, stock extended
1ft 10.8in, stock retracted
*Rate of fire- 350-450 rpm
*Effective range- 50m (55yds)


I have some friends that moved away along time ago and they tested the thompson and said they loved it


Hi guys,

Do you know comparison of the cost of Thompson and GG?
You may hate the Army but some fellows were thinking dollars - big dollars!
Thompson was a beautiful SMG. Grease Gn - something little bit better than Sten.
BTW - Ukrainians are currently selling Thompsons in 11.43 and 9mm versions for about $2000. Brand new - still covered with grease - surplus from soviet Land Lease - hidden for that many years...

Lancer44

Edited:
I wrote "little big better" and changed it to "little bit better".

Outerheaven
06-24-2006, 03:48 PM
Firing a Thompson in 9mm? I'm sure it would be cheaper, but It just wouldn't feel the same. Does anyone know what the troops thought of the M3A1 Grease Gun? I've only seen a few pictures of airborne units with it.

american sniper
06-24-2006, 05:37 PM
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/grease.htm

this might help some thought the man that made this used a grease gun during Veitnam.

Man of Stoat
06-25-2006, 04:26 AM
The Thompson was a weapon of a previous age, heavily machined from solid metal. Therefore expensive and heavy, even in its stripped down M1A1 version.

The grease gun was an exceptionally clever bit of design, but looked odd to soldiers brought up on heavily machined designs. But, there are extremely good reasons why it became the standard and the Thompson was designated limited standard".

Mustang88
06-25-2006, 09:39 PM
Does anyone know how long the Grease Gun served to?

SS Tiger
06-25-2006, 09:53 PM
Does anyone know how long the Grease Gun served to?

Its still in service to my knowlege.

Outerheaven
06-25-2006, 10:02 PM
Its still in service to my knowlege.
Thats what I have read too. But I have not seen any modern American troops with the M3. Issued to tankers maybe? Anyone know?

SS Tiger
06-25-2006, 10:09 PM
They remained in limited use with U.S. military into the 1990s, to include service in the 1991 Gulf War (e.g. drivers in the 19th Engineer Battalion, which was attached to the U.S. 1st Armored Division, deployed with the M3A1 as an alternate arm) and as defensive weapon for the crews of M88A1 ARV, until replaced by the M4 Carbine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Grease_Gun

Maybe they have gone out of official service, but I'm sure a few unofficial ones remain?

Edit: To fix quote tags

ww2admin
06-26-2006, 07:28 AM
Here are some pics I took from a local museum:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/temp/guns1.jpg

http://www.ww2incolor.com/temp/guns2.jpg

american sniper
06-26-2006, 09:00 AM
Does anyone know how long the Grease Gun served to?

if you read the link i posted at the bottom it says "The M3A1 is still in use in our armed forces today."

Dani
06-26-2006, 09:14 AM
Off-topic:
M3 Grease Guns issued to Philippine Marine Corps Battallion Special Operations Platoons:

http://www.timawa.net/m3/m3gen2.htm

american sniper
06-26-2006, 02:02 PM
nice i like the camo

Lancer44
06-29-2006, 09:52 PM
Interesting photo of Thompsons in German hands.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3451/germanthompsons9gn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

From "Die Wehrmacht" by J. Pillmot.

And because ww2admin show us nice photo of BAR maybe you'll like to see Polish BAR:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4168/polishbarwithpistolgrip0ew.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Photo is from Warsaw Uprising.
MPW site.

Lancer44

Mustang88
06-30-2006, 07:36 PM
Great pictures. I always thought that the Germans used captured American and British weapons, but I only had confirmation on Germans using the PPSH and SVT40s.

savoy6
08-09-2006, 05:47 PM
Maybe they have gone out of official service, but I'm sure a few unofficial ones remain?

i'm sure that there may be some left in some of the older M60A3 tanks out there....lol...personally i'd rather have one of those intead of an M4.just gotta keep up the operating rod springs.
the story on the ukranian thompsons is that they got shipped over inside of M3 stewart light tanks and other lend lease vehicles.since the russians had no ammo for them as gerneral issue,they just stacked them somewhere for the duration...alot of guns and parts hitting the market right now from this supply.

Nickdfresh
08-20-2006, 06:53 AM
Great pictures. I always thought that the Germans used captured American and British weapons, but I only had confirmation on Germans using the PPSH and SVT40s.

http://link.okfoto.co.kr/L_storage4/137792/2005022722373913.jpg
I've read the German troops liked certain Allied weapons, and the often poached the M1 Carbine because is was light and semi-auto, in keeping with their close assault tactics.

Man of Stoat
08-20-2006, 06:55 AM
The German use of " Beutewaffen" was extremely widespread, particularly in non front-line units, the Germans giving their own model numbers to Allied weaponry.

Hiddenrug
08-21-2006, 03:52 AM
So they dumped thier weapons and borrowed some from the allies.

Panzerknacker
08-22-2006, 06:46 PM
Nice pic of the german Thompson up there, another .45 caliber weapon used by the germans was the Norwegian Konsberg M1911 pistol some were captured but then were especifically produced for them.

Timbo in Oz
09-21-2006, 09:37 AM
The main reasons why the Wehrmacht adopted these captured weapons, mostly for non front line use, with important exceptions, mostly Russian field and AA artillery.

1. Hitler's inssitence on minimizing the impact on German social and industrial status until late 1941 at least, he did not WANT a war economy / believed in a short war STILL? Chicken and egg. Production shortfalls were an ongoing problem.

2. the sheer numbers of weapons captured with heaps of ammo - in Russia, and in the west, the weapons and their entire supply, production and maintenance trains!

Larry Daley
03-02-2007, 02:09 PM
To all:

While writing my memories see:

http://narrations-of-war-in-cuba.blogspot.com/

I am trying to track down any detail possible on Browning .45 SUB-machine gun (not belt fed machine guns, BAR, nor pistols), which I had never heard of before

My search so far indicates that Batista forces subject to US embargo in 1958, had purchased these weapons somewhere else.


It would seem that Camilo Cienfuegos took several of these weapons in Las Villas, possible after taking Batista army strong position at Venegas, Las Villas, Cuba in October of 1958. They it is presumed were subsequently given by Camilo, (under Castro's orders) to the, up to then, poorly armed communist guerrillas of Felix Torres (who would become notorious for his murders of surrendered anti-Castro resistance fighters between about 1960 and 1967) in Cuba's middle provinces.

It would also seem that these same Browning submachine guns (not BAR, etc ) eventually reappeared in Vietnam where they were captured by US forces.18 March-21 April 1967

http://25thaviation.org/history/id534.htm

Does anybody know such details as manufacturer, characteristics (I only have a photo so far, in which it appears to be similar to a Thompson)

http://hometown.aol.com/minutman27/lightnin25.jpg

Any detail, however small or vague it may seem, would be much appreciated

Larry Daley
Corvallis, Oregon

GermanSoldier
03-30-2007, 02:46 PM
M1A1 Thomson
http://i5.tinypic.com/2m47ldv.jpg

RifleMan20
03-30-2007, 09:09 PM
great pic man,the thompson was a great weapon to the americans,it might of well helped the victory