Warsaw Uprising

[Lancer44]

I'm new on this Forum and want to introduce myself to Moderators and Members.

I'm of Polish extraction and live in Sydney, Australia. My father fought in 2-nd Polish Corps, Carpathian Lancers Regiment in Italy 1943-45. My uncle was in Home Army Intelligence in Warsaw during occupation and Uprising. My mum was also in Warsaw uprising. Another uncle, member of Polish High Command in 1939 was shot by soviets in Katyn.
I did not read the whole Forum yet, but I see many topics which are very interesting for me and will participate soon.
My particular interests are: Western Europe, Pacific and war crimes everywhere in WWII.
I guess that I'm a bit older than most Members and hope that I may be of some assistance to many of you.

Here is an interesting site in english about Warsaw Uprising:

http://www.warsawuprising.com/

If you have any questions about unusual, unknown to you weapons, uniforms etc. please ask.

Below also site in polish, but I would encourage you to explore it anyway. On the left hand side are contents icons. Scrolling down you can see icons of uniforms, armour, weapons etc. - great resource of info about Allies and Axis in WWII.

http://www.whatfor.prv.pl/

Best regards,

Lancer44

[SS Tiger]

Welcome aboard, that Polish site is well worth a look, it has loads of informaton and good pictures!

Hope you have a happy stay!

[Kovalski]

Witam Lancer44!
good to meet another polish member!

[Dani]

Welcome!

[Kovalski]

I think it's not a widely known fact.
I wonder how many Slovakians realize that during Warsaw Uprising (in fact since 1942) a whole platoon fought against Germans. It was known as Platoon No 535 or Slovakian Platoon. It consisted of 57 soldiers: 28 Slovakians, 3 Hungarians, 6 Georgians, 1 Ukrainian, 1 Czech and 18 Poles.
Unfortunately, the majority of them were killed during the uprising. Those who managed to get on the east bank of Vistula, where caught by Soviets. Their fate remains unkown. Only few member of platoon survived the war.

[Panzerknacker]

Very good link, good photos, If there was any army in history who deserves victory...that was the Armia Krajowa.

[Lancer44]

I just learned that some new photos from Warsaw Uprising were recently discovered.
A bit of explanation how this was possible 62 years after the events.
New discoveries are mainly in communist Secret Service archives. Commies meticulously archived all items which they confiscated during the house searches of arrested Home Army members after the war - up to 1952.
These archives are now examined and results you can see:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9821/phomearmyje1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Home Army fighter during lull in fighting. Early August 44. Not much weapons yet.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2138/pastazielnadn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Just before attack on PASTA telephone exchange. Stream of gasoline from Home Army "flame thrower", (which was a firebrigade pump), is clearly seen rising up from the house on Zielna St.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/920/ppiats2vh6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2204/ppiatstu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PIAT anti tank grenade launchers dropped by RAF, US, SAAF and Polish planes were much welcomed and put to good use.

[Lancer44]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9940/ppolicekompm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Home Army soldiers after successful attack on German Police Headquarters.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3621/pchmielnabarrmm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/765/pchmielnabarricadecn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Last two pictures show barricade on Chmielna St.
They are very personal for me, because my mother lived on this street and many times told me how she participated in building barricade there at the evening of 1-st of August 44. This is probably this barricade, very provisional.
Later such hastily build by civilians "fortifications" were replaced by more solid structures constructed under supervision of Home Army sappers.
"Bracia Pakulscy" shop was before the war one of the best delicatessen in Warsaw, with huge stores well supplied even during German occupation. My mom told me that living in close proximity to this shop during Rising made life much easier. At the end it was just maccaroni or "kasha" but still delicacy for
starving population.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2500/pfromsewersxt3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
And finally - exit from sewers - the most dreaded and most effective way of communication, logistics and evacuation of people during Warsaw Uprising.

Photos courtesy of Warsaw Uprising Museum.

Cheers,

Lancer44

Edited once to add source.

[arhob1]

Lancer44 wrote "Last two pictures show barricade on Chmielna St.
They are very personal for me, because my mother lived on this street and many times told me how she participated in building barricade there at the evening of 1-st of August 44. This is probably this barricade, very provisional. "

What an incredible history your family has, it amazes me what the Poles went through in the run up to, during and after WW2 - your family seemed at the heart of many major events - hats off to them.

[Lancer44]

Lancer44 wrote "Last two pictures show barricade on Chmielna St.
They are very personal for me, because my mother lived on this street and many times told me how she participated in building barricade there at the evening of 1-st of August 44. This is probably this barricade, very provisional. "

What an incredible history your family has, it amazes me what the Poles went through in the run up to, during and after WW2 - your family seemed at the heart of many major events - hats off to them.

Hi mate,
Thank you. Nothing unusual in this part of Europe... Nearly every family in Poland have similar or even more interesting stories to tell.
I have to get my scanner going and start showing some photos on this Forum. At the moment it is connected to desktop which is occupied by my wife. Maybe I should buy new one....

Cheers,

Lancer44

[Nickdfresh]

Interesting pics Lancer, thanks.

[Panzerknacker]

The fight in Warsaw from german point of view. (video)

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C0740B000000&inf=494600&outf=620280&funktion=play250k

[scarred4life]

I'm new on this Forum and want to introduce myself to Moderators and Members.

I'm of Polish extraction and live in Sydney, Australia. My father fought in 2-nd Polish Corps, Carpathian Lancers Regiment in Italy 1943-45. My uncle was in Home Army Intelligence in Warsaw during occupation and Uprising. My mum was also in Warsaw uprising. Another uncle, member of Polish High Command in 1939 was shot by soviets in Katyn.
I did not read the whole Forum yet, but I see many topics which are very interesting for me and will participate soon.
My particular interests are: Western Europe, Pacific and war crimes everywhere in WWII.
I guess that I'm a bit older than most Members and hope that I may be of some assistance to many of you.

Here is an interesting site in english about Warsaw Uprising:

http://www.warsawuprising.com/

If you have any questions about unusual, unknown to you weapons, uniforms etc. please ask.

Below also site in polish, but I would encourage you to explore it anyway. On the left hand side are contents icons. Scrolling down you can see icons of uniforms, armour, weapons etc. - great resource of info about Allies and Axis in WWII.

http://www.whatfor.prv.pl/

Best regards,

Lancer44

I am currently researching The Carpathian Lancers Im interested in the ORBAT and wondering if a Tedeusz Karol Kurlandzki served in this unit in Italy and Tobruk. I wonder if you could point me in the right direction.

[Lancer44]

I am currently researching The Carpathian Lancers Im interested in the ORBAT and wondering if a Tedeusz Karol Kurlandzki served in this unit in Italy and Tobruk. I wonder if you could point me in the right direction.

Hi mate,

I cannot help you. I don't know. There is history of Carpathian Lancers Regiment by Jan Bielatowicz "Ulani Karpaccy", London 1966.
It includes list of every soldier ever serving in this regiment.
If you can find this book it will help you.

I'll try to ask my friend, historian in Poland, about Tadeusz Kurlandzki. Perhaps he will know.

Best regards,

Lancer44

[scarred4life]

Hi mate,

I cannot help you. I don't know. There is history of Carpathian Lancers Regiment by Jan Bielatowicz "Ulani Karpaccy", London 1966.
It includes list of every soldier ever serving in this regiment.
If you can find this book it will help you.

I'll try to ask my friend, historian in Poland, about Tadeusz Kurlandzki. Perhaps he will know.

Best regards,

Lancer44

Cheers Lancer,
I will try and purchase the book,do you know prior to the out break of WW11 where the Polish Officer Cadets were trained?
I believe it was somewhere in Warsaw and I would like to visit if its still in the city.
All the Best

[Kovalski]

Cheers Lancer,
I will try and purchase the book,do you know prior to the out break of WW11 where the Polish Officer Cadets were trained?
I believe it was somewhere in Warsaw and I would like to visit if its still in the city.
All the Best

Hi scarred4life,

I believe you want to visit the "Szkoła Podchorążych Piechoty" (Infantry Officer Cadets School) in Ostrów Mazowiecka. It is about 90 km NE from Warsaw. Unfortunately the school doesn't exist there anymore. As far as I know you can visit the military complex where the school was placed because it is open for tourists.

[Kovalski]

If it is vital for you, I can try to get some info for you. Maybe there is still some museum or archive. I could try after the weekend.

Cheers,

Kovalski

[scarred4life]

[QUOTE=Kovalski;89301]If it is vital for you, I can try to get some info for you. Maybe there is still some museum or archive. I could try after the weekend.

Cheers,

Kovalski[/QUOT

Thanks Kovalski
Thats a good start for me Im trying to trace my fathers army career,all I know is that he was a young officer in the Carpathian Lancers,and served in Italy and Africa. When he was alive he would not speak about the war and very little about his life in Warsaw prior to the war.
All your help and Lancer44`s help is much appreciated.
All the Best
Scarred4life

[Lancer44]

Ostrow Mazowiecki cadet Officers School was one of many in pre-war Poland.
I would guess that Tadeusz Kurlandzki would rather graduate from Grudziadz Cavalry School.
Karpathian Lancers Regiment with major, (later general), Bobinski as it's creator and major, (later colonel), Zakrzewski, was sort of an elite unit very much gathering members of polish gentry.
As a sample I can point to you: kpr. pchr Potocki, son of ordinate Potocki from Lancut, Jan Jozef Lipski, polish ambassador in Berlin in 1939 and many others like Tolloczko, Mentel, Dziewicki etc.

Any questions welcomed!

Cheers,

Lancer44

[scarred4life]

Thankyou Lancer44
There is a statue at the entrance of Westpoint NY of a Polish Officer do you know his name?
Cheers
Scarred4life

[Lancer44]

You probably mean Thaddeus Kosciuszko monument...

Cheers,

Lancer44

[scarred4life]

You probably mean Thaddeus Kosciuszko monument...

Cheers,

Lancer44

Indeed,can you expand a little on this,I would be very interested.
Cheers
S4L

[RussianHitman]

i often wonder how much Warsaw uprising is overestimated in West.
Military this was a failure which brought unnecessary deaths and casualties
among civilians and also have much destryed the capital city after Germans
undertook counterstrike straight after.
What was the point? Why teenagers with pistols were encouraged to fight
without being professionals and not being properly armed. :confused:

[Kovalski]

Hello RussianHitman,

before you start a discussion, better try some internet search. There is a lot of webpages with thousands of articles which can satisfy your curiosity.
As a polish Iwon't even attempt to judge the uprising, because this is still hot part of polish history, and it may become emotional for me - that's why I won't get involved in discussion.
For your information, AK members were not just "teenagers with pistols".
Just to be honest, this point of view was presented for decades by soviet propaganda.

I wish you a successful search. :)

[Lancer44]

Hi RussianHitman,

Right at the start of this thread you'll find links to Warsaw Uprising sites without soviet propaganda bias.

I wish you a good reading!

Cheers,

Lancer44

[GermanSoldier]

Ever since 1939 September 1st Warsaw Poland has been under Nutzi Rule. With citizens urging to throw off power. Jewish citizens are forced to wear the Star of David on their shoulder, houses, horses, animals, and business etc. German SS soldiers painted Jews in gold. They did not show any sadness for them. But in 5 years they would get the spirit to fight back.

During those 5 years they were stealing any equipment, clothes, guns, gernades, etc. They were building up their supplys for the Polish Resistance Group. After having enough equipment to attack they prepared positions, plans, and places to setup headquarters.

In 1944 Warsaw was uprising against Nutzi Rule from Germany. This battle was heroic and tragic and lasted for 63 days. Overtaken by their home army they set up the Polish Resistance Group. With the Allies still attacking Normandy Defense, and they Russian Army stationed at Vistula River. They had to fight for their freedom. Now with citizens and Jewish people fighting them off. They were determined to win.

[GermanSoldier]

Photo from the Warsaw Uprising.
Here is a Photo of a Polish Resistance Machine Gunner.
http://i18.tinypic.com/2je8ked.jpg

[1PUK]

Warsaw Uprising website

http://www.warsawuprising.com/

[GermanSoldier]

Yes that is a great site. I used it for some of my information on the thread.
It has everything. Even songs song by the Polish Resistance.

[GermanSoldier]

Nutzi army marching into Warsaw, Poland.
http://i15.tinypic.com/2upse2x.jpg
Here is a group of Polish Resistance troups.
http://i19.tinypic.com/35l9a81.jpg

[1PUK]

Here is a group of Polish Resistance troups.


The soldier in the back row on the left in the
"Here is a group of Polish Resistance troups"
photo

looks to be wearing a hat from a Scottish regiment.

[GermanSoldier]

The soldier in the back row on the left in the
"Here is a group of Polish Resistance troups"
photo

looks to be wearing a hat from a Scottish regiment.

Maybe. When I looked it up it came up with this picture. Maybe it is just a similar hat. That is my guess.

[Panzerknacker]

Topic merged with a early one.:rolleyes:

[GermanSoldier]

Topic merged with a early one.:rolleyes:

Yeah that is fine. At least it was not deleted. Going to be cool sharing a thread with Lancer44. Hope you don't mind Lancer44.

[Lancer44]

Yeah that is fine. At least it was not deleted. Going to be cool sharing a thread with Lancer44. Hope you don't mind Lancer44.

Not at all mate!
You changed somewhat in the last few days! And positive thing for you is, that every day you are getting older and more mature! (I don't know if this is really good for me...) :)))

I really appreciate that you explored Warsaw Uprising site in English.
Maybe one day you'll visit WU Museum in Warsaw...


Cheers,

Lancer44

[GermanSoldier]

Not at all mate!
You changed somewhat in the last few days! And positive thing for you is, that every day you are getting older and more mature! (I don't know if this is really good for me...) :)))

I really appreciate that you explored Warsaw Uprising site in English.
Maybe one day you'll visit WU Museum in Warsaw...


Cheers,

Lancer44

Thank you for the compliment. Means alot. I got interested in Warsaw after this book I read called Milkweed. Great book. I love the spirit of the citizens who fought back. Anyways the Warsaw could not of happened without the Germans guns, equippment, and etc. If the Germans would have more lookouts on their equipment this might not of happened. Something that took a tole on the citizens was the rule for every German that is killed there will be 100 citizens executed.

Extremely the Ghetto. No food, water, clothes, shoes, and etc. It was harsh living for the Jews. Especially for the Jews that did not find a house to live in the ghetto.

I noticed in some pictures of the Warsaw uprising I noticed they had older guns. Mostly old machine guns from World War1.

If you have any extra information on how they got their weapons please tell me.

[1PUK]

There were 2 separate uprisings in Warsaw.

'Warsaw Ghetto Uprising' was 19th April 1943.

'Warsaw Uprising' was 1st August 1944.

[Walther]

Germansoldier,

There were two uprisings in Warsaw, the first in the Jewish ghetto in Spring 1943, and the other, better known one in 1944 by the Polish Home Army.
From 1940 on the German oppupiers had used the old Jewish quarter of Warsaw as a holding and transit camp for Jewish prisoners, from where they were deported to death camps. In 1943 the inhabitants realised that they were all about to be deported and to be killed and rose up against the German troops, receiving limited assistance by the AK and the Communist resistance, which attacked German positions outside the ghetto.
Due to the fact that the Jews were badly armed (just a few pistols, rifles and a hand full of MGs), the Germans won after a few days of hard fighting.
The Germans used mainly SS-forces, including Waffen-SS and foreign volunteer units, but also police (though the police in Nazi Germany was part of the SD, which was again a part of the SS organisation) and Wehrmacht units to crush the uprising and to deport and execute the survivors.

Jan

BTW, the Polish soldiers in the formal picture can be members of a Polish troop of 10 Interallied Commando in the UK with their instructors

[maroon dragoon]

Hello stumbled across this interesting site and thought to reply ref the name above. I am of Polish descent and live in England . My father passed away in 86 a good man, educated, proud and private. he did'nt speak a great deal about his time in the Army so information is limited. I do know my father served in both North Africa and Italy campaigns. At some point his unit was attached to the British Army (Hussars). This regiment still wears the maid of warsaw emblem on their sleeve in recognition of the outstanding bravery and spirit of the Polish soldiers.My father's unit consisted of Sherman tanks and he was a tank commander i believe. He left Italy in 47 and came to England. His father or grandfather was called Karol a fairly popular polish name and is used in my family aswell. Well don't know if this helps or not, good luck in your reseach.
Best Regards

Maroon Dragoon

[Kovalski]

Hello stumbled across this interesting site and thought to reply ref the name above. I am of Polish descent and live in England . My father passed away in 86 a good man, educated, proud and private. he did'nt speak a great deal about his time in the Army so information is limited. I do know my father served in both North Africa and Italy campaigns. At some point his unit was attached to the British Army (Hussars). This regiment still wears the maid of warsaw emblem on their sleeve in recognition of the outstanding bravery and spirit of the Polish soldiers.My father's unit consisted of Sherman tanks and he was a tank commander i believe. He left Italy in 47 and came to England. His father or grandfather was called Karol a fairly popular polish name and is used in my family aswell. Well don't know if this helps or not, good luck in your reseach.
Best Regards

Maroon Dragoon

Hi mate,

I assume it was the 7th Hussars. The "Maid of Warsaw" badge it the emblem used today by the Queen's Royal Hussars.

Here is the history of the regiment:
http://www.qohmuseum.org.uk/7th.htm

Maybe you should contact the museum. They got to have some archives.

Pozdrawiam,
Kovalski

[maroon dragoon]

Hi Kovalski,
Thanks for the info had a look at site, very good.
All the best.
Maroon Dragoon

[Kovalski]

63rd Anniversary of Warsaw Uprising is on Wednesday...

[Kovalski]

I know it should be in another thread, but I think that's easier to find.
Here are the links to:
Warsaw Uprising Museum
http://www.1944.pl/index.php?lang=en&lang_time=1

Timeline of Warsaw Uprising
http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/6330/

Warsaw Uprising History Webpage
http://www.warsawuprising.com/

[1PUK]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1874382/posts


Warsaw Rising 1944 - the Battle for Poland

Commemorations of the Warsaw Rising this year will be on a national, and not just local, scale.

Danuszia Szafraniec reports

The Institute of National Remembrance has appealed for a nationwide observance of the anniversary of the Warsaw Rising in the same manner as has been practiced for decades in the Polish capital. Starting tomorrow, commemorative concerts, night vigils and masses will be held around the country with open-air film shows and meetings with the insurgents scheduled - all events under the slogan "Warsaw 1944 - the Battle for Poland".

The great heroic fight of Warsaw and her people is the most important anniversary of the Polish capital. The Warsaw Rising of 1944 lasted 63 days. It resulted in the killing of 200,000 Varsovians both insurgents and civilians. Every year the people of Warsaw pay homage to the courageous strife of the city's inhabitants to shed away the Nazi occupant.

Three years ago the Warsaw Rising Museum was opened in Poland's capital which immediately became a hit with visitors. Its collections are composed of under 20,000 exhibits including rings, identity cards, armbands used by Warsaw Rising soldiers, weapons, uniforms and German hardware.

This year the Museum wants the commemorations to be held under a slogan "Warsaw 1944 - the Battle for Poland" and on a national scale. Starting tomorrow, commemorative concerts, night vigils and masses will be held around the country while open-air film shows and meetings with the insurgents are to be held in the capital. Janusz O³dakowski, the director of the Warsaw Rising Museum explains.

"This year we would like to show people that it was a battle for Poland and not only for Warsaw. It was called "Warsaw Rising" only for identification purposes to let people know that, in fact, the whole country was involved in the fighting with every citizen trying to help as much as they could. You can see that in the recollections of soldiers who back then served, for example in Africa or in the Polish Air Forces fighting on several fronts during the war".

One of those fighting soldiers was major Janusz Brochwicz-Lewinski, alias "Gryf". This 86-year-old Warsaw Rising survivor and soldier of the National Army who speaks 4 foreign languages spent over 5 decades working and living in the UK. He came back to Poland in 2002 for the opening of the Warsaw Rising Museum.

"I left Poland on October 5, 1944, went to prisoners' camp which was liberated by American Army in 1945. Then I went to the United Kingdom and stayed there for 58 years. My return to Poland was impossible because I represented the National Polish Army which was "persona non grata" in Poland during the communist regime. My first visit was in 2002 for the celebrations of the Warsaw Rising and then eventually I started preparing myself to return to Poland after so many years".

Preparing "Warsaw 1944 - the Battle for Poland" national campaign the Warsaw Rising Museum organised a competition for a comic book on the subject with the aim of spreading awareness of the event among young people. Third prize was given to a book called "Target for tonight" sent from Great Britain by Piotr Chudzik, second to a project called "The end of summer holidays" by Michal Lebioda and Rafal Bakowicz. The winner called "The last concert" is an 8-page story of a house in the Warsaw district of Zoliborz where concerts were held during the fighting. One of its autors is Tymek Jezierski.

"This place doesn't even have a commemorative plague on the wall so hardly anybody knows what happened there. We thought it was worth telling that such a thing took place there in Zoliborz where my friends live these days and many people pass this building every day without realising that 30 people died in it the massacre of the Warsaw Rising".

More info on the winningcomic books as well as this year's commemorations of the 63rd anniversary of the Warsaw Rising can be found at www.1944.pl.


an update:
Events marking the 63rd anniversary of the outbreak of Warsaw Rising on August 1, 1944 have began in Poland. A group of former insurgents have received high Polish military and state distinctions.

President Lech Kaczyñski said during the ceremony that a free Poland has always been the highest value for Poles. For 63 days of street fighting, Warsaw was a piece of free Poland placed between the two totalitarian systems - of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, he said, adding that the tradition of the Warsaw Rising should be preserved for future generations.

Numerous commemorative events are planned in Warsaw and many Polish cities for this week. They will culminate on Wednesday, August 1.

[Chevan]

President Lech Kaczyñski said during the ceremony that a free Poland has always been the highest value for Poles. For 63 days of street fighting, Warsaw was a piece of free Poland placed between the two totalitarian systems - of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, he said, adding that the tradition of the Warsaw Rising should be preserved for future generations.
.
Well who is doubt - poor Poland between evil Germany and Russia:)
The root of all the problem are the neighbour states, that's nice.
Especially i like the equalization of the Nazy and Commi. ;)
So why the commi did not build the death-camps in Poland?

[Panzerknacker]

The Pzkpfw V Panther "magda" used by the Polish Armia Krajowa. :)

http://i11.tinypic.com/63b2n3k.jpg


http://i16.tinypic.com/5xz6rk2.jpg

The apetite of the AK of armor vehicles caused that the germans abadoned several panzer IIIs filled with explosives and bobbytraped in areas controlled by the National army.

[Egorka]

Especially i like the equalization of the Nazy and Commi. ;)
So why the commi did not build the death-camps in Poland?

Chevan, it is because Russians are lazy, drunk and uncapeable of building fences.

[GermanSoldier]

At my school when we get in 8th grade we get to go to Washington D.C. We get to go to the World War II Memorial. We can't take pictures in it:(. We also get to go to the Holocausts Memorial Museum. I think this trip will be a great one. Here is the site for the Holocausts Memorial Museum. http://www.ushmm.org/ . For all the other foreigners the site is in ENGLISH except there is some Yiddish. Great site. My school uses this site for work for us in the 7th grade.

[Panzerknacker]

Hmmmm, you are in wrong topic GS. :rolleyes:

[Kovalski]

Germansoldier,

There were two uprisings in Warsaw, the first in the Jewish ghetto in Spring 1943, and the other, better known one in 1944 by the Polish Home Army.
From 1940 on the German oppupiers had used the old Jewish quarter of Warsaw as a holding and transit camp for Jewish prisoners, from where they were deported to death camps. In 1943 the inhabitants realised that they were all about to be deported and to be killed and rose up against the German troops, receiving limited assistance by the AK and the Communist resistance, which attacked German positions outside the ghetto.
Due to the fact that the Jews were badly armed (just a few pistols, rifles and a hand full of MGs), the Germans won after a few days of hard fighting.
The Germans used mainly SS-forces, including Waffen-SS and foreign volunteer units, but also police (though the police in Nazi Germany was part of the SD, which was again a part of the SS organisation) and Wehrmacht units to crush the uprising and to deport and execute the survivors.

Jan

BTW, the Polish soldiers in the formal picture can be members of a Polish troop of 10 Interallied Commando in the UK with their instructors

R...R...R... ;)

[Panzerknacker]

R...R...R...


So many buttons in your keyboard and you are using only one to expresate your toughs, quite weird. :rolleyes:

[Kovalski]

So many buttons in your keyboard and you are using only one to expresate your toughs, quite weird. :rolleyes:

What big letter was flashing in the corner of your tv during football match in the 80's? :)

[Kovalski]

The Pzkpfw V Panther "magda" used by the Polish Armia Krajowa. :)

http://i11.tinypic.com/63b2n3k.jpg


That tank was used on 5th of August 1944 in attack on KL Warschau - "Gesiowka", a German-Nazi Concetration Camp in Warsaw. Together with "Zoska" Battalion the tank crew liberated 348 Jewish prisoners. Some of them joined the "Zoska" Battalion later.

Pozdrawiam,
Kovalski

[Panzerknacker]

That tank was used on 5th of August 1944 in attack on KL Warschau - "Gesiowka", a German-Nazi Concetration Camp in Warsaw. Together with "Zoska" Battalion the tank crew liberated 348 Jewish prisoners. Some of them joined the "Zoska" Battalion later


Thanks for the information, I think that also a tank hunter Hetzer was captured and Used.

[Kovalski]

During Warsaw Uprising AK created the tank platoon "Wacek". They used 2 Panthers and 1 Pz IV for sure. I also read that one Hetzer was used as the element of the barricade.

[Egorka]

My dear beloved lovers of truth! :)

There is a new book available in both Polish and Russian: "Warsaw uprising 1944 in the documents of the security services archives", 1450 pages.
ISBN: 9788360464328

Link to a Polish online book store with book description in Polish. (http://www.petlaczasu.pl/powstanie/b68117)

About this book in Russian: "Расчет на свои силы не оправдался. ФСБ рассекретило документы о Варшавском восстании (http://www.rg.ru/2007/10/03/fsb-kniga.html)"

http://www.poczytaj.pl/okl/58000/58749.jpg

[Chevan]

Many thanks Igor.
It sould be the very interesting book - i just do not know is it avialable in Internet now?


Cheers

[Kovalski]

1428 pages...
Hope to read it this year.

Polish version is available via internet :)

[Egorka]

As I understand the book contains the documents in BOTH Polish and Russian languages.
I bought today from this site http://wysylkowa.pl/ks800640.html :)
But you are right 1428 pages! I will get grey hair!

[Kovalski]

A far as I know there are also documents taken from the Wehrmacht archives. I wonder are they in original or translated version.
But it seems that the book contains the reprinted Russian documents.

Good luck :)

[Egorka]

I've got the book. You should see the size!
The documents are in both Polish and Russian - left page side in Russian and right page side in Polish.
The German documents are presented only in Russian and Polish, not in German.

[Kovalski]

I've got the book. You should see the size!
The documents are in both Polish and Russian - left page side in Russian and right page side in Polish.
The German documents are presented only in Russian and Polish, not in German.

I won't be able to get it now :(

And how is the book?
Any opinion after few days?

[Egorka]

I won't be able to get it now :(

And how is the book?
Any opinion after few days?

I have read just the first 50 pages or so. But I have not got to the best part. Have read only the official German reports which are rather short and dry.