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Panzerknacker
03-21-2006, 05:51 PM
Die Deutsche Wochenschau was the official german war newsreel from 1940, although the majority of his content is a propagandistical one, is always interesting to see the german armament in some real combat footage.

I start with this from early 1942 wich shows the german guns, artillerie, planes and submarines production pretty nice.

Check the size of this machine tools, I am droling already.


http://media.studio-hamburg.de/studio-hamburg/wochenschau/streams250kwo/08E92C00C1F8E153030103009D21A8C03400000000.mpg.asf


I put this link because it didnt work in other way, if anyone can download it with E-mule or other software, be my guest.

Panzerknacker
03-23-2006, 05:42 PM
Film from 1940., Kriegmarine activities. Invation of the low Countries and France.

http://media.studio-hamburg.de/studio-hamburg/wochenschau/streams250kwo/08E92C00C1F8E153030103009D21A8C00C00000000.mpg.asf

Panzerknacker
04-04-2006, 08:21 PM
The death of Rommel, Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck, new Panther, etc.

http://media.studio-hamburg.de/studio-hamburg/wochenschau/streams250kwo/08E92C00C1F8E153030103009D21A8C03400000000.mpg.asf

Panzerknacker
04-16-2006, 02:07 PM
The german worker as Flak crew- Invation of South france- fighting in Stalingrad.



http://media.studio-hamburg.de/studio-hamburg/wochenschau/streams250kwo/08E92C00FF3BA5CD030103009D21A8C03A1A000000.mpg.a

Panzerknacker
09-20-2006, 08:41 PM
Walther Nowotny Funerals,

http://media.studio-hamburg.de/studio-hamburg/wochenschau/streams250kwo/08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C0910A000000.mpg.asf

Panzerknacker
01-03-2007, 05:43 PM
Amazing video, one of Hitlers last appearings.

The first part is well know with the old dictator giving away medal to his "antitank" kids, however there is an interview with the very young fighters after that.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C00C1F8E153030103009D21A8C04600000000&inf=128200&outf=237760&funktion=play250k

http://echo.bonusweb.cz/obrazek/hitlerjugend.jpg


As usual If any can colaborate with some translation will be enormously preciated.

VonWeyer
01-04-2007, 05:42 AM
Seen the clip many times.
Would be great to hear the translation.

Strina-Croatia
01-05-2007, 02:43 AM
The first kid is talking about that he and his 12 friends destroyed 5 T-34-85 and 1 heavy tenk my guess is JS-1 the two others are talking about delivering orders from command centre to the front under fire and they destroyed 2 each 1 tank with a panzerfaust.This is the translation of the talking of the Hitlerjugend.

alephh
01-05-2007, 04:33 AM
The last public (video, photo) appearance of Hitler - me thinks.


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VonWeyer
01-05-2007, 05:13 AM
The first kid is talking about that he and his 12 friends destroyed 5 T-34-85 and 1 heavy tenk my guess is JS-1 the two others are talking about delivering orders from command centre to the front under fire and they destroyed 2 each 1 tank with a panzerfaust.This is the translation of the talking of the Hitlerjugend.

Thanx for the translation. I wonder if they are telling the truth. Suppose we will never know. Interesting anyway.

VonWeyer
01-05-2007, 05:14 AM
The last public (video, photo) appearance of Hitler - me thinks.


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I also think that is correct.
Just needs to be confirmed.

Panzerknacker
01-05-2007, 06:05 PM
I wonder if they are telling the truth. Suppose we will never know


There is a good chance of that those kids were actually telling the truth, I mean they did not ( the nazis) gave away Iron Crosses for nothing.

VonWeyer
01-05-2007, 06:08 PM
Good point.

Panzerknacker
01-05-2007, 06:09 PM
And many Thanks Strina-croatia we need more participation of you...just 58 post :twisted:

Panzerknacker
01-25-2007, 08:29 PM
Here a found a translated version of my earlier video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEU5xVxz94o

FW-190 Pilot
01-25-2007, 11:54 PM
i doubt the nazis care its true or not. It is great for propaganda purpose and i suspect at the end of war, the nazis are giving out iron cross like candies anyways.

Chevan
01-26-2007, 12:36 AM
i doubt the nazis care its true or not. It is great for propaganda purpose and i suspect at the end of war, the nazis are giving out iron cross like candies anyways.
I agree , ideed i don't think the nazi care is it true or not in this period of war.
Certainly those anti-tank kids could to hit some T-34 by price of its life. But if to belive the officials nazi cources thay destroed all Red Army tank two-three times( Like and allies airplains).

Cheers.

Panzerknacker
01-26-2007, 07:35 AM
doubt the nazis care its true or not. It is great for propaganda purpose and i suspect at the end of war, the nazis are giving out iron cross like candies anyways.


Considering the semi-suicidal tactics of those years is plausible that this kids destroyed those tanks an even more, but as you may read the Crosses were not only awarded for tank destroying achievements but for others combat duty also.

Panzerknacker
09-14-2007, 10:33 AM
Fight in Stalingrad.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C00FF3BA5CD030103009D21A8C03A1A000000&inf=581800&outf=801560&funktion=play250k

Chevan
09-14-2007, 10:44 AM
Fight in Stalingrad.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C00FF3BA5CD030103009D21A8C03A1A000000&inf=581800&outf=801560&funktion=play250k
Yea great movie.
It sadly but i have no the unlimited traffic
However the Propogandic tone of the film likes to me
So great beginning- so glorious end;)

Drake
09-14-2007, 12:07 PM
Nazis were bastards all the way, but they sure knew how to do some things properly, propaganda is definatly on that list and stylish uniforms too.

Chevan
09-14-2007, 12:14 PM
Nazis were bastards all the way, but they sure knew how to do some things properly, propaganda is definatly on that list and stylish uniforms too.
Is it the real thought of the GErmans?;) or you simply joiking?

The good propoganda production was the not ONLY the Nazy matter , but also and Soviet , British and Americans.

Drake
09-14-2007, 12:33 PM
Don't know what you mean. Of course Allies were good in the propaganda business as well, but my comment is only about the wochenschau as its the topic of the thread.

Panzerknacker
09-14-2007, 05:21 PM
Yea great movie.
It sadly but i have no the unlimited traffic
However the Propogandic tone of the film likes to me
So great beginning- so glorious end


It is propagandistic as I wrote in the first post of this topic, however the Wochenschau is well know for its serious combat footages, and that is the interesting part.

Fight in Stalingrad part II

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C00FF3BA5CD030103009D21A8C0F31A000000&inf=551200&outf=706840&funktion=play250k

Panzerknacker
09-26-2007, 07:51 PM
Disaster at Dieppe.

Dieppe landings repeled, 19 august 1942.

http://video.google.es/videohosted?docid=-5024955967042111856

Panzerknacker
10-17-2007, 06:22 PM
Wochenschau from january 1945. Fw-190Ds, Panzerfaust, MG-151 drilling, maschinenkarabiner Mkb42 and others in action in the eastern front ( wich at that time was very much in the german border)

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDHvwpoQXo

Splinter54
10-18-2007, 01:53 AM
Wochenschau from january 1945. Fw-190Ds, Panzerfaust, MG-151 drilling, maschinenkarabiner Mkb42 and others in action in the eastern front ( wich at that time was very much in the german border)

Very nice - i have never seen the Flak 41 in action :)

Chevan
10-18-2007, 02:10 AM
Wochenschau from january 1945. Fw-190Ds, Panzerfaust, MG-151 drilling, maschinenkarabiner Mkb42 and others in action in the eastern front ( wich at that time was very much in the german border)


In jenuary the Estern front was already in the Prussia;)

Panzerknacker
10-18-2007, 10:17 AM
Very nice - i have never seen the Flak 41 in action

Yea, that gun too, accordig to the relator it was manned by Reichsarbeitdienst personnel.



In january the Estern front was already in the Prussia


Yes, the red army was knowking the doors of the german cities already,

Panzerknacker
10-25-2007, 07:36 PM
Battle of Kursk, newsreel from july 1943.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=CQkKBAU-qO0


http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/4909/kursk1943do0.jpg

Panzerknacker
12-10-2007, 03:00 PM
Jagdpanzer Elefant in Nikopol, 1944.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C06C0C000000&inf=618760&outf=811560&funktion=play250k

Koen
01-21-2008, 01:09 PM
Until now I've downloaded 20 Wochenschau's on ShareAza

for your info:

Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1943-09.22
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1938 (10'11'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1941.10.10 - Kesselschlacht bei Kiew (27'42'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1941.10.17 - Kesselschlacht bei Kiew II (30'26'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1941.12.05 - Gruss aus Dresden (33'36'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1942-09-xx - Freikorps Danmark, Schlachtschiff Tirpitz in Norwegen,Stalingrad,...(18'05'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1943-03-05 - Totaler Krieg (16'41'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1943 February
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1943 July - Kursk (22'42'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1944-05-31
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1944-09-07 - Olt Erich Hartmann, Leon Degrelle und Steiner (11'53'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1944-09-28
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1944-12-07 - Kampf bei Budapest
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1944 - Waffen SS in Normandie (1'58'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1945-03-22 - Berlin, Hitler zeichnet HJ aus, Königsberg
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1945-17-02
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1945 - Luftwaffe & Panthers (2'46'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1945 - Ostfront - Luftwaffe & Panzer
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1945 Jan III (9'48'')
Die Deutsche Wochenschau - 1945.03.16

Has anyone an idea how many were produced?
Has anyone got a complete list?

Koen

Splinter54
01-21-2008, 01:22 PM
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Has anyone an idea how many were produced?
Koen

Its name is Wochenschau - that means a weekly cast.

Since 23. Oktober 1914 there had been some sort of "Wochenschauen".
Since 1940 there had been four different producers of casts with sound, among which the UFA was the biggest one.

Germanys Wochenschauen:
* Ufa-Woche (Stummfilm; erstmals 17. September 1925)
* Ufa-Tonwoche (10. September 1930 – 19. Juni 1940 Nr. 1–511)
* Die Deutsche Wochenschau (25. Juni 1940 – 22. März 1945; Nr. 512–755)
* Deulig-Woche (Stummfilm; 1920–1931)
* Deulig-Tonwoche (6. Januar 1932 – Februar 1939; Nr. 1–370)
* Fox Tönende Wochenschau
* Ufa-Europa-Woche (Februar 1944 – Januar 1945; Nr. 50–100)
* Ufa-Auslands-Tonwoche (1943–1945)
* Descheg-Monatsschau (März 1942 – April 1944; Nr. 1–26)
* Panorama-Farbmonatsschau (1944–1945)
* Welt im Film (Wochenschau der englischen und amerikanischen Besatzungsmacht in Deutschland, ab Mai 1945) bis Juni 1952
* Neue Deutsche Wochenschau (Januar 1950 – Mai 1963)
* Die Zeit unter der Lupe (Fortsetzung der NDW Juni 1963 – August 1969)
* Blick in die Welt
* Der Augenzeuge (DDR, 19. Februar 1946 bis 19. Dezember 1980)
* Welt im Bild (Juli 1952 – Juli 1956)
* Ufa Wochenschau (ab August 1956 – Juni 1977)

Autriches Wochenschauen:
* Wochenschau der Wiener Kunstfilm-Industrie (ca. 1911–?)
* „Kriegs-Journal“ (1914–1918, Wiener Kunstfilm-Industrie)
* „Österreichischer Kino-Wochenbericht vom nördlichen und südlichen Kriegsschauplatz“, ab 1915 „Kinematographische Kriegsberichterstattung“ und dann „Sascha-Kriegswochenbericht“ (1914–1918, Sascha-Film)
* „Sascha-Meßter-Woche“ (1914–1918, auch: „Sascha-Meßter-Film“)
* „Steiermärkische Filmjournal“ (1920–?)
* „Selenophon-Woche“ (1931–1934, Selenophon Licht- und Tonbildgesellschaft und Hugo Engel)
* „Österreich in Bild und Ton“ (1933–1938, Selenophon Licht- und Tonbildgesellschaft im Auftrag der austrofaschistischen Regierung)
* „Austria Wochenschau“ (1949–1994)
* ORF-Sendung „Wochenschau“

Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wochenschau

Koen
01-21-2008, 01:25 PM
Its name is Wochenschau - that means a weekly cast

that I know...but that's the theoretic side...how many were produced in total during the war?

Splinter54
01-25-2008, 03:45 PM
Some on You-Tube
http://uk.youtube.com/user/WW2GermanNewsreels

Koen
01-25-2008, 04:06 PM
Some on You-Tube
http://uk.youtube.com/user/WW2GermanNewsreels

thx for the link...

I had a link to a program that downloaded YOuTube movies as wmv but it stopped working...

does someone has a working solution?

Panzerknacker
01-25-2008, 04:30 PM
The best is download youtube videos as .flv an then convert to the format you like. I already converted several to .vcd format to see it in my DVd, even the quality isnt great.

Fight in Cassino.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C07D0C000000&inf=634640&outf=878640&funktion=play250k

Koen
01-25-2008, 04:39 PM
The best is download youtube videos as .flv an then convert to the format you like. I already converted several to .vcd format to see it in my DVd, even the quality isnt great.

Fight in Cassino.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C07D0C000000&inf=634640&outf=878640&funktion=play250k

what programs do you use to convert?

Panzerknacker
01-25-2008, 04:40 PM
WinAvi, is the best

Koen
01-25-2008, 04:50 PM
WinAvi, is the best

I'll surf to find it...

Panzerknacker
01-25-2008, 04:52 PM
Of course you will need first one to convert .flv to avi, then you can make the .avi in almost any other format

Koen
01-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Of course you will need first one to convert .flv to avi, then you can make the .avi in almost any other format

ok!;)

mkenny
01-30-2008, 04:32 AM
Has anyone an idea how many were produced?
Has anyone got a complete list?




try here for a list:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=128459&highlight=

and here for downloads

http://nsl-archiv.info/Filme/Deutsche-Wochenschauen/heil.php

Koen
01-30-2008, 10:07 AM
try here for a list:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=128459&highlight=

and here for downloads

http://nsl-archiv.info/Filme/Deutsche-Wochenschauen/heil.php

superlink

downloading them at 'high speed':mrgreen:

Panzerknacker
01-31-2008, 04:56 PM
Very nice, thank you very much.One for the loves of the big guns, Wochenschau of June 1942, Sebastopol and the fall of Tobruk.http://www.stage6.com/user/jakobole/video/2149257/1942-06-24-Die-Deutsche-Wochenschau-Nr--616

Panzerknacker
04-06-2008, 06:56 PM
One of the most shocking and at the same time controversial wochenschau of all, the soviet war crimes in german soil.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUKFAgi_3k

Panzerknacker
04-07-2008, 09:22 AM
One more clip about the same isue.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym5DTyFANj4

Panzerknacker
04-17-2008, 07:34 PM
Another video of heavy weapons and aircraft manufacturing:

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0062198378030103009D21A8C0AB00000000&inf=52640&outf=1203680&funktion=play250k

Panzerknacker
06-08-2008, 10:23 PM
Analizing the Wochenschau:

There is little doubt than the well staged and edited Wochenschau was during all the war a powerful tool to create and mantain during sometime the myth of the german superiority or invincivility.

Even all the allied and Axis countries used this kind of warfront newsreel the impact of the "Pathe news" made in Britain or the well filmed US army front report or the colour US Navy shows were not as influential in the world public opinion as the Woche.

The work for the german propagandist was a piece of cake during the early victory years of 1939-41 and in some aspects during 1942, because they basicly showed the conquered enemy and the amount of destroyed materiel, there was in fact almost no need to made up things.

However during 1943 with the german retreating in all fronts a change in the perception and focus of all the propaganda is noted, the entering in the war of the US army in the Mediterranean was a major worry for the German High Command. ( Hitler actually wrongly believed that the USA would be so busy dealing with Japan that it would have no resources to engage him in Europe and Africa, of course he was wrong)

With the worsening of the situation you can start to see some glitches in the german propaganda, some of them undoubtly caused for the energy put in demeaning or urderestimate ( to calm german public nerves I suppose) the combat capabilities of this new adversary.

In this the newsreel of january 1943 we can see some of those glitches. (left clik only)

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C06506000000&inf=793960&outf=995760&funktion=play250k

The panorama showed is Tunis, german armored recce unit talking and helping native population, mined roads, defensive emplacements, so far so good , the interesting part come in the comments made in minute 16:25:

"..zerstörte amerikanische Panzer; ein Fallschirmjäger mit einem erbeuteten amerikanischen Haumesser.

wich means "...destroyed american tanks, parachutist with a captured american broad knife"

Well the fact is those are not american tanks, they are destroyed that is true as you can see some holes in the structure but those are british Crusaders mark IIIs with were probably knocked out by PAK. Obviously if the tanks are not from US neither is the "broad knife", the blade is actually 15 inches long (38 cm) "smatchet" ( machete) carried by all english tanks for general purposes.

But heres come the jewel, next the commentator said:

"...Früher trugen es nur die Neger, jetzt auch amerikanische Soldaten."

"..In former times only the negroes, now also American Soldiers carried it"

Knowing the racial preferences and the strong prejudices against the black race in here the german editor is implying that the americans are somekind of inhuman horde wich is armed as the african population.
Obviously if they are armed in this way...well they are inferior, barbaric and uneducated :rolleyes:

Panzerknacker
06-17-2008, 05:33 PM
Volkssturm training with english subtitles. january 1945.

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=fXUABlWzsS8

imi
06-19-2008, 10:55 AM
http://www.watchuonline.com/list.php?q=Deutsche+Wochenschau+&Submit=Video
Lot of videos download for free

Panzerknacker
06-19-2008, 05:32 PM
Good links, thanks.

Panzerknacker
10-28-2008, 06:31 PM
I am uploading a series of videos about Mountain troops in action in the Kaucasus, june 1942. That is from the "Frontschau" not the Wochenschau, so they are more precise about military operations.

Here is the first part.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=yy35X6oID7g

RifleMan20
10-29-2008, 10:54 PM
This is great, I wished I would of discovered this early when I was on this forum.

Panzerknacker
10-30-2008, 04:50 PM
I wished I would of discovered this early when I was on this forum.


So, you are not in the forum anymore ?

Panzerknacker
03-05-2009, 05:02 PM
If anybody have the oportunity to spare time downloading I strongly recomend the Woches Nr 565, 566 and 567. Those were the first 3 dealing almost completely with the attack on the USSR.

I think from the historical point of view these are very important ones. Almost no edition of the intense combat scenes ( contrary to the 1943/44 woches in wich you can see a lot of editing and some staged material too) some crudes images of the misery and executions by russian in the Bielorrusia and Ukraine. Also and more incredibely is to see how outspoken is this propaganda material regarding the bad treatement to the jews in occupied territories. Jews in open camps and in forced labour are seen. Even the images of Riga sinagone burning wich is atributed to "a popular revenge for the crimes of GRU".

RifleMan20
03-06-2009, 02:25 PM
So, you are not in the forum anymore ?

To clear it up, I mean when these videos were first posted, I wished that I noticed it so I could of watch it earlier.

Panzerknacker
03-29-2009, 10:04 AM
Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler fighting in the of southern East Front, january 1943, extract form "Descheg Monatschau 12" newsreel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMbPW7wWA6Y

http://i43.tinypic.com/2ljkvbd.jpg

Schuultz
03-29-2009, 10:27 AM
Do you have the Wochenschau from the week of September 1st, 1939? I'm curious to see how they brought along the message of war.

mkenny
03-29-2009, 10:50 AM
Here you can download all of them

http://www.nsl-archiv.info/Filme/Deutsche-Wochenschauen/heil.php

Schuultz
03-29-2009, 01:33 PM
Thanks

Panzerknacker
03-30-2009, 05:23 PM
Is this one in particular ( right clik save target as...)

http://www.nsl-archiv.info/Filme/Deutsche-Wochenschauen/1939-09-07%20-%20UfA%20Ton-Woche%20Nr.%20470%20(21m%2003s,%20720x544).avi

"...from the 05.45 am of the 1th september the polish agression has been countered ..." :rolleyes:

peopleselbow
04-05-2009, 05:16 PM
i enjoy watching the wochenchau videos on youtube as they are very interesting

Panzerknacker
04-05-2009, 09:33 PM
Indeed they are, specially the parts of combat footage, enjoy it...but not too much ;)

paladin
04-24-2009, 04:00 AM
there a nice minlayer documentation


Documentation German Minelayer 1942 (http://www.v-like-vintage.net/Default.aspx?lang=de&pos=topics&topic=7)

Panzerknacker
04-24-2009, 06:32 PM
Very nice but this topic is actually for videos.

Chevan
04-25-2009, 11:18 PM
Indeed they are, specially the parts of combat footage, enjoy it...but not too much ;)

don't forget to enjoy their lovely "judo-bolshevic/soviet paradize" matter:)

Panzerknacker
04-26-2009, 08:55 AM
That kind of footage cannot be "enjoyed" but is educative in more than one way.

The "Soviet paradise" coul fall in the same category of any russian film about liberated german concentration camps, despite coming from an depravated and twisted regime that were not inventions or a pre made propaganda.

One has to be intelligent enough to separate the truth from the made up video. Fortunately enough I can do it and I think many people who are interested in studing the ww2 german side viewing the Wochenschaus can do it as well.

But of course, morons, stupid and fanatic people you can find it everywhere from this side and the other side too. And seems in southern russia there is a large concentration of them.

Rising Sun*
04-26-2009, 09:59 AM
The "Soviet paradise" coul fall in the same category of any russian film about liberated german concentration camps, despite coming from an depravated and twisted regime that were not inventions or a pre made propaganda.

One has to be intelligent enough to separate the truth from the made up video. Fortunately enough I can do it and I think many people who are interested in studing the ww2 german side viewing the Wochenschaus can do it as well.

But of course, morons, stupid and fanatic people you can find it everywhere from this side and the other side too. And seems in southern russia there is a large concentration of them.

And at least one "morons, stupid and fanatic people" in the South Pacific, too. Being me.

The USSR was one of three major allies among the Allies which defeated the Axis in WWII.

The USSR bore the Allied brunt in lives lost and conflict on its soil in doing so. Britan and America, among others, had no conflict on their heartland soil and lost nothing like the number of service people and civilians in fighting the Nazis, nor endured anything even remotely like the unimaginable atrocities routinely carried out in the East and elsewhere against Russians and other Soviets.

Churchill, Roosevelt and every other Allied leader supported Stalin and the USSR, to the hilt.

Then, when the Allies had defeated the common Nazi enemy, the others turned on the Soviets and resumed their pre-war hostility to communism as a threat to the capitalist interests for which the war was in large part fought by the West. Not that the average Western soldier saw it that way. Or benefited from it that way, either.

Meanwhile Argentina remained aligned with the Nazis for most of the war and declared war on Germany only in the last few dying days when Argentina realised as a staunch fascist ally that it was in its interests to shit on its former fascist Nazi mate to try to curry favour with the victors, hoping that the victors would forget that Argentina had backed the victors' enemy for the whole war.

That doesn't make Argentina any worse than many European and other nations.

Apart from the fact that Argentina didn't fight and didn't lose anyone in that conflict. And gained quite a bit from it as Nazis flocked to it after the war.

As for lecturing Chevan and anyone else on abuses of human rights in concentration camps and so on, get a grip on yourself. Argentina might not have been as bad in numbers as the Nazis but it sure as hell was as bad in the way it treated the opponents to its fascist governments.

I have that only from Argentinians who migrated to Australia who told me that they fled to save themselves from the junta, but of course these people were also communists and fanatic people.

Oddly enough, the only fanaticism I found in them was a fanatical desire to save their own lives and those of their families.

Which rather puts them in the same category as the Russians faced with the Einsatzgruppen. Which doesn't reflect all that well on Argentina as the home of the brave and the land of the free.

Panzerknacker
04-26-2009, 10:17 AM
Very nice story but I dont see the relation of that with the claim that all pictures in the Wochenschau are made up as chevan imply.

Rising Sun*
04-26-2009, 10:20 AM
Very nice story but I dont see the relation of that with the claim that all pictures in the Wochenschau are made up as chevan imply.

I was responding to what you said, not what you say Chevan said.

Panzerknacker
04-26-2009, 10:25 AM
I know all that already, the declaration of war, migrations, etc, there is no need to tell me.

Rising Sun*
04-26-2009, 10:28 AM
I know all that already, the declaration of war, migrations, etc, there is no need to tell me.

Well, if you knew all that already, why give Chevan a hard time about something you already knew supported his position?

Panzerknacker
04-26-2009, 10:39 AM
??????

Again I dont see the relation of that with the Wochenschau and how it could change the fact of the very poor living condictions in soviet russia depicted by the "Soviet paradise".

Chevan had here a sad history of denying facts, so you can figure the rest.

Schuultz
04-26-2009, 10:52 AM
This has the potential to get awesome. :mrgreen:

What happens if two people who like to 'bend' history get in an argument and an Australian jumps into the mix?

We'll find out!

;)

Panzerknacker
04-26-2009, 11:07 AM
There is only one person here who like to "bend" and moreover change the history and is not me.

Rising Sun*
04-26-2009, 11:40 AM
There is only one person here who like to "bend" and moreover change the history and is not me.

And who would that person be, and when and how has he or she bent history?

Rising Sun*
04-26-2009, 12:10 PM
What happens if two people who like to 'bend' history get in an argument and an Australian jumps into the mix?

Who knows?

I suppose the Aussie could, uncharacteristically, refrain from joining the conflict and instead reflect upon a small but encouraging instance of the rare good which comes from the bad which war is.


Thousands attend Anzac service in Villers-Bretonneux,

By Belinda Tasker in Villers-Bretonneux, France

April 25, 2009 05:21pm

TO the French during World War I, the Australian Diggers who fought and died protecting them were heroes.

More than nine decades later, France still feels deeply grateful for the sacrifice the thousands of Diggers made, and no more so than on Anzac Day.

Over 3000 people - a mix of French and Australians - gathered near the rural town of Villers-Bretonneux in the Somme tpday for the second Anzac Day dawn service at the Australian National Memorial to remember the 46,000 Diggers who lost their lives on the Western Front between 1916 and 1918.

As a bracing wind blew across the quiet hilltop memorial surrounded by a patchwork of green and gold fields, the crowd was reminded of France's affection for the Diggers who helped save their country and small towns like Villers-Bretonneux.

"Those irresistible Anzacs," then French President Albert Lebrun remarked in 1938 as he opened the memorial, which lists the names of 10,771 Diggers who disappeared on the Western Front battlefields.

Ninety one years later, France's Secretary for Defence and Veterans' Affairs Jean Marie Bockel echoed Mr Lebrun's sentiment, saying it had been a true act of generosity on Australia's part to send so many men to fight so far from home.

"How could these men have dedicated themselves with so much generosity and so much selflessness, so far from their homes," he said.

"It is important to remind young French people that men from other countries died here so that they could be born free. And it is important to remind young Australians of the example of their fathers, those brave fighting men whose me we are honouring today."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25384123-23109,00.html



Bound by history, French children honour their debt

Peter Wilson and Lauren Wilson | April 25, 2009
The Australian


"WE have not forgotten the Australians."

That is the simple message of Pauline Lefebore, 10, who beams with pride as she tells how she and her classmates in a French village are keeping a promise made long before they were born.

Pauline and the 130 other children at the school in Villers-Bretonneux are raising money for children affected by Victoria's Black Saturday bushfires.

"You always have to keep your promises," said Pauline's friend, Cecile Przewrocka.

This promise was made by their grandparents, and it is still written above the blackboard in the class of Chantal Macrez and every other teacher at the school: "N'Oublions Jamais l'Australie" (Let us never forget Australia).

A plaque on the front of the school tells how 1200 Australian soldiers died liberating the village from the Germans on April 24, 1918, in fighting that destroyed the school and left the entire Rue de Pressoir in rubble.

The children of Victoria then helped to raise money to rebuild the school, with each child in the state asked to donate a penny.

Using the slogan "By Diggers defended, by Victorians mended", the donation campaign raised pound stg. 10,000, which was matched by the Victorian Education Department.

Now the French are repaying the debt, raising money to rebuild one of the three schools razed in Victoria on February 7. Today's students of Strathewen primary school have some idea of what a war zone looks like. In the Black Saturday bushfires, they lost their school, many lost their homes, four young students lost parents and the school lost one of its own, little Erryn Bartlett.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25383013-22242,00.html

Panzerknacker
04-26-2009, 12:27 PM
And who would that person be, and when and how has he or she bent history?


Chevan, claiming that there were no 6 million of jews exterminated in gas chamber, I cant put a link the topic because I erased it.

Chevan
04-26-2009, 11:46 PM
There is only one person here who like to "bend" and moreover change the history and is not me.
You , buddy, tell to Brits who like to bend the history here:)
Not to me..

Chevan
04-27-2009, 12:09 AM
Chevan, claiming that there were no 6 million of jews exterminated in gas chamber, I cant put a link the topic because I erased it.

It's not me who claimed but revisionists.
And i have changed my point year ago, coz my personal intellectual experience hasn't found the evidence for such revision of history.
The DW was a PROPOGANDIC newsreal , that promoted the Nacis race ideas to masses.
So you don't even try to claim it was historically correct "documental" source.Like any other propogand newsreal it's wasn't even near to true, except may be laughing and happy Germans soldiers in Ukraine during summer 1941.It was actually the ONLY happy time( and place) for Wehrmacht.:)
BTW i own the links where you enjoing the DW propogand about "Soviet paradise" - when surrefing ill people have been shown like a "subhuman" who deserved what they got.Just like the antisemitic propogand, the anti-slavic propogand was essential part of Nacis DW.
BTW-2 and We all know it not ONLY my posts has been erased by your dictatorship will here( obviously the primary Latin-american genes still acts in you mind)

Panzerknacker
04-27-2009, 05:21 PM
It's not me who claimed but revisionists.
And i have changed my point year ago, coz my personal intellectual experience hasn't found the evidence for such revision of history.



Revisionist that you seems to love, as the ones saying the russian did not kill a fly in Katyn, where the revisionist claim finish and where start you bias is always hard to tell.



The DW was a PROPOGANDIC newsreal , that promoted the Nacis race ideas to masses.
So you don't even try to claim it was historically correct "documental" source.Like any other propogand newsreal it's wasn't even near to true, except may be laughing and happy Germans soldiers in Ukraine during summer 1941.It was actually the ONLY happy time( and place) for Wehrmacht.:)
BTW i own the links where you enjoing the DW propogand about "Soviet paradise" - when surrefing ill people have been shown like a "subhuman" who deserved what they got.Just like the antisemitic propogand, the anti-slavic propogand was essential part of Nacis DW.

BTW-2 and We all know it not ONLY my posts has been erased by your dictatorship will here( obviously the primary Latin-american genes still acts in you mind)


Telling things already know, but the way is propagandistic newsreel.

By the way I am half spanish half italian so my dictarial genes must coming from the Franco and Mussolini side, not really "latin american".You seems to like autoritarians person like Stalin, so you should like me.

Panzerknacker
06-01-2009, 07:26 PM
Rare "interview" of british prisoners in Norway, april 1940, UFA Wochenschau 505.

http://rapidshare.com/files/239793869/POW_Noruega.wmv.html