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02-12-2006, 07:40 PM
Take a look at this:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/black_and_white/japanese_dday

Comments?

Cuts
02-12-2006, 08:22 PM
Is there evidence to support the claim that the bloke really is a Jap ?

If not he could just as easily be from one of the eastern Soviet states.

Firefly
02-13-2006, 03:02 AM
He is not Japanese but could in fact be Korean.

Bear with me here - Korea was part of the Japanese Empire and Korean troops were conscripted into the Japanese Army.

In 1939 in the Far East Soviet and Japanese forces clashed, the Soviets coming off best and capturing a fair few prisoners (Koreans did surrender). These prisoners were given a chance to join the Soviets (or simply pressed into Service.

When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union they took a lot of prisoners, some of these were Koreans who inevitably ended up in some Ost Battalions that were defending the Normandy Beaches.

There is a story of these guys surrendering to the Allied forces an no one being able to tell what the heck they were saying! Until one guy recognised it as Korean! Its a good story but as Cuts says, they could just be Hiwis from the Eastern Soviet States.

Man of Stoat
02-13-2006, 05:26 AM
Could also be Chinese or Mongolian. Face is too broad for a Japanese.

Definitely a Hiwi.

Firefly
02-13-2006, 07:43 AM
Ive just remembered the book, its 'Citizen Soldiers' by Stephen Ambrose. He states that 3 Koreans were captured in Normandy along with a whole host of other nationalities including Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians and many more...

2nd of foot
02-13-2006, 02:22 PM
Did he get campaign medals for all three services and could he wear them. :) That would be a good after dinner speech. :lol:

Firefly
02-14-2006, 06:30 AM
Did he get campaign medals for all three services and could he wear them. :) That would be a good after dinner speech. :lol:

Well if they got back to Korea, they may have fought in the Korean War too!

Gen. Sandworm
02-14-2006, 09:42 AM
I dont think its any big deal that he could be Japanese. Maybe his family moved to Germany before the war. The reasons that he is there is up to speculation. I doubt that the Japanese sent him over to help protect the beaches of Normandy. Maybe there is more about it online somewhere.

Man of Stoat
02-14-2006, 11:20 AM
I dont think its any big deal that he could be Japanese. Maybe his family moved to Germany before the war. The reasons that he is there is up to speculation. I doubt that the Japanese sent him over to help protect the beaches of Normandy. Maybe there is more about it online somewhere.

Apart from the fact that he doesn't look japanese?

Trooper
02-14-2006, 03:24 PM
Did he get campaign medals for all three services and could he wear them. :) That would be a good after dinner speech. :lol:

Well if they got back to Korea, they may have fought in the Korean War too!

For the North or South?


Or maybe both.. :shock: He certainly ended up a long way from home.

Panzerknacker
02-14-2006, 06:06 PM
Probably is a russian of the eastern republics that was captured in 1941 and then "put in service" with the wermacht with the promise of better food (than a prisoner camp) some payment, better treatment, etc.

In the atlantic wall there was a pletora of this non germanic soldiers like polish, frenchs, Croatians, Ukranians, etc.

savoy6
02-15-2006, 03:22 AM
found this one in the Ceris normandy signal corps photos...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/airsoftshooter35/airsoft%20stuff/p012606.jpg
after doing some research if found out that they were part of a detachment of japanese officers and enlisted men that were at normandy doing in depth research on the beach defences that the germans were building to get ideas for the defence of the home islands..guess their info didn't get back home....lol...some of the officers..

http://www.geocities.com/alvinlee_81/Asiatic5.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/alvinlee_81/Asiatic6.jpg

Nickdfresh
02-16-2006, 01:54 PM
Ive just remembered the book, its 'Citizen Soldiers' by Stephen Ambrose. He states that 3 Koreans were captured in Normandy along with a whole host of other nationalities including Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians and many more...

I recall that. I think there is a comment made by an American soldier in there at the time to the effect of "What army are we fighting anyway?" because of all of the ethnicity's in the Wehrmacht.

I believe there were Chinese men in the Wehrmacht as well...

And an entire SS unit (I can't remember the size) was Muslim, mostly European Bosians...

Ace
02-21-2006, 10:08 PM
The man in the photo is Korean. The Bosnian SS Division was the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar.

Ingsoc
03-05-2006, 11:53 AM
The name of the soldier in this photo is Kyoungjong Yang who was born in Shin Euijoo, Northwestern Korea on March 3, 1920. He was conscripted to the Kwantung army in 1938 and captured by the Soviets in Nomonhan and captured again by Germans in Ukraine in the summer of 1943, maybe in the battle of Kharkov, and captured finally by Americans in Utah beach, Normandy on June 6, 1944.

He was freed from a POW camp in Britain on May, 1945 and moved and settled in America in 1947. He lived near the Northwestern Univ. in Illinois until he died on April 7, 1992. He lived as an ordinary US citizen without telling his unbelievable life story even to his two sons and one daughter.

His story was revealed by an article of ‘Weekly Korea’ on Dec. 6th, 2002, which became a big topic in the Korean society here at the time. http://search.hankooki.com/weeks/weeks_view.php?terms=%C6%F7%B7%CE&path=hankooki1%2Fwhan%2F200212%2Fw2002120614100061 510.htm

His surprising story will be told in a new movie which is now being made in the United States. The title of this movie is ‘A POW in Normandy’ and will focus on the real story of a Korean POW(Kyoungjong Yang) and a US soldier who helps him. It is said that the budget for this movie will amount to more than 40 million dollars.

Gen. Sandworm
03-06-2006, 02:01 AM
Wow thanks for the info and welcome to the site. :)

foxmulderlpx
04-20-2006, 05:07 AM
yea i saw this pic be4 and i was told that he was a chinese man who was caught by the Krauts firstly then he became a cook at last he was caught by the allies as the pic showed just COULD BE

Lancer44
05-18-2006, 06:16 PM
A few more interesting photos of asiatic soldiers in German service.

1. Thai Soldat from the 29th Panzer Grenadier Division.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2825/thaisoldat4hx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

2. This is most puzzling photo... Chinese in Hungarian uniform receiving German decoration...
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1875/hungarianchinese6we.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

3. This is one of the Koreans mentioned by Ambrose in "D-Day".
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2604/asiatic35cm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

4. Turkmen troops in Heeres. (From soviet republic of Turkmenistan)
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9083/turkmen41oj.gif (http://imageshack.us)

5. More Turkmen...
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1513/turkmen39ef.gif (http://imageshack.us)

6. Turkmen captured by Canadians on D-Day
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3449/turkmen23nh.gif (http://imageshack.us)

7. And Turkmen in color!
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1384/turkestanvolun3if.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

8. Turkmen in training
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9705/turkmeni56mf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

9. Volga Tatars
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2036/freiwilligetataren9ml.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

10. More Volga Tatars
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7995/wolgatataren4tc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers,

Lancer44

Ingsoc
05-20-2006, 12:15 PM
The German officer in the color pic is Generalleutnant Hellmich.

strangeland
09-19-2006, 11:18 PM
Yeah I was gonna say what others have already said: he's probably a Hiwi from one of the Central Asian or Far Eastern regions of the USSR.

Jim
09-26-2006, 09:33 PM
i don't think that guy went to Germany because a few years before WW2 the Japanese were invadind and building up its armed forces.

Helmut Von Moltke
10-30-2006, 08:16 AM
I was wondering which unit the Korena voluteer was in. I remember reading that each Infantarie Division in Normany had Osttruppen attached to them. Speaking of the picture of the Chinese volunteer in the Hungarian armed forces, why the surprise? There were a few Chinese volunteers in the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS.

Speaking of the Muslims in the Waffen-SS mentioned here, there was also another similar unit, the Ostturkische Waffen-Verband der SS and Kaukische Waffen-Verband der SS. Here is some information on the Kaukische Waffen-Verband, from an article in a magazine by Roland Pfeiffer.

Commanders:

Stellenbestzung des Kaukasichen Waffen-Verbandes der SS
Kommandeur:
SS-Standatenfuehrer Arved Theurmann
00.12.1944 - 00.00.1945
(4.8.1892 Zabela/Russland, SS-Nr. 273 804, 4.2.1942 SS-Ostubaf. und Leiter Oberquartiermeisterabt. Kdo-Stab RFSS bis 16.2.1942, gleichzeitig (?) Kdt. Stabsquartier, 16.2.1942 Stubaf. und Kdr. Begleit-Btl. RFSS bis 1.4.2942, April 1942 Staf. und Kdr. Frw. Legion 'Niederlande', Oktober 1943 Staf. in der 15. Waffen-Gren. Div. (lettische Nr. 1, in unbek. Sienstst. bis 1.11.1943). Febuar 1945 Staf.u, Kdr. Kaukasicher Waffenverband. s.a. Mehner, S.154-155. 229, 265, 278, 279)

I. Ordonnanzoffizier
SS-Hstuf. Siether Nierhaus
00.03.1945 - 00.00.1945
(20.12.1916, Sept. 1944 im V.SS-Geb.Korps)
Stab Waffen-Gruppe 'Georgien'
Stab Waffen-Gruppe Aserbeidjan'
Stab Waffen-Gruppe 'Armenien'
Stab Waffen-Gruppe Nordkaukasus'

II./Waffengruppe
'Nordkaukasus'/Kaukasischer Waffenverband der SS
Waffen-Standatenfuehrer der SS Kutschuk Ulagaj
11.12.1944-00.00.1945
(25.1.1893)

Unbekante Dienststellung:
Waffen-Standatenfuehrer Muhamed Bey
00.12.1944-00.00.1945
(5.7.1892 Kars, zuvor im SS-Pz. Gren. Ausb. und Ers. Btl. 1)
Waffen-Standatenfuehrer der SS Michael-Pridon Zulukisde
1.2.1945 - 00.00. 1945
SS-Ostubaf. Hubert Ritter von Aichinger
00.01.1945 - 00.05.1945
(11.5. 1890, kam vom Stab/Befehlshaber der W-SS Ungarn)

Bataillonsfuehrer
W.-Hstuf.der SS Heronimus Mamaladse
00.01.1945 - 00.05. 1945
(5.9.1894 Gori/Georgien, Nov. 1944 in der SS-Kav. Ausb. u. Ers. Abt.)
W.-Hstuf. der SS
Murat Tuajew
31.13.1944-00.00.1945
(21.1.1895)
W.-Hstuf der SS
Ralkasan Gutjakulow

Nachrichtenfuehrer
SS-Ostuf.
Hans Bust
00.01.1945 - 28.4. 1945 gef.
(22.2.1912 Stendal, Juli 1944 in der Waffen-Geb.Brig. der SS (tartarisch), Januar 1945 Kaukas. Waffenverband der SS)
SS-Ostuf. Herbert Dillmann
00.01.1945 - 00.00 1945
(31.10.1913)
SS-Hstuf. Emanuel Jaskiewitz
00.03.1945 - 00.00.1945
(14.8.1902 Triest, Juni 1944 O3, II. SS-Pz. Korps)
SS-Ustuf. Roland Brandt
00.00.1900 - 00.02.1945
(7.4.1896, Febuar 1945 Kaukas. Waffenverband)
SS-Ustuf. Johann Gaberle
00.02.1945 - 00.00. 1945
(25.4.1904)
W.-Ustuf. Georg Hasimoff
(00.12.1944) - 00.00.1945
(5.5. 1920)
W.-Ustuf. David Kobachidse
(00.01.1945) - 00.00.1945
(1.12.1904)
W.-Stuf. Gorge Kordsachin
(00.01.1945) - 00.00.1945
(22.8.1913)
W.-Ustuf. Abdulasel Mamedow
(00.01.1945) - 00.05.1945
(15.9.1922 Nucha/Aserbaidschan, Januar 1945 im SS-Pz.Gren.A. und Ers. Btl. 1)

OOB:

Stab Kaukasicher Waffen-Verband der SS
Staebe fur die Waffen-Gruppen 'Georgien', 'Aserbeidjan' und 'Nordkaukausus'

SS-Waffengruppe 'Armenien'
I. Abteilung - 1 - 4 Schwadron
II. Abteilung - 5 - 8 Schwadron
Zuletz in Klagenfurt.

SS-Waffengruppe 'Aserbeidschan'
I. Abteilung - 1 - 4 Schwadron
II. Abteilung - 5 - 8 Schwadron
Zuletz in Klagenfurt.

SS-Waffengruppe 'Georgien'
I. Abteilung - 1 - 4 Schwadron
II. Abteilung - 5 - 8 Schwadron
Zuletz in Klagenfurt.

SS-Waffengruppe 'Nordkaukasus'
I. Abteilung - 1 - 4 Schwadron
II. Abteilung - 5 - 8 Schwardon
Zuletz in Klagenfurt.

Here is the collar patch of the unit;

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/leibstandarte/OsttrkischerWaffen-VerbandderSScoll.jpg

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Nickdfresh
11-04-2006, 11:57 AM
I do not know the numbers, but if memory serves correct, the numbers of Koreans in the Wehrmacht was small. I'm pretty sure the Koreans were not SS though.

Numbers Koreans did also serve in the Japanese Army, especially as POW camp-guards.