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Hiddenrug
11-28-2005, 12:44 AM
The Australian Infantry of WWII barely got noticed. But hey we are the land down under!

My all those that fell during the war rest in peace.

Cuts
11-29-2005, 04:24 AM
The Australian Infantry of WWII barely got noticed.
Try looking in some books, you'll find hundreds of thousands of pages written about the deeds of the Diggers.

Since when has the entire Infantry Corps been descried as a 'unit' ?
The poll's question is couched in the present tense - do you mean it to read as such ?

Hiddenrug
11-30-2005, 12:43 AM
Sorry. Basic human error. We all do it soem time within our lives. i'll fix it.

Gen. Sandworm
11-30-2005, 01:18 PM
At the present moment I would have to say the US armed forces are the best because of experience. However this changes very quickly with time. Not knocking the Austrailian inf. They are great and always been good reliable allies. Just my opinion

BDL
11-30-2005, 02:48 PM
At the present moment I would have to say the US armed forces are the best because of experience. However this changes very quickly with time. Not knocking the Austrailian inf. They are great and always been good reliable allies. Just my opinion

Second best maybe my friend - man for man, I'd put the British over anyone.

PzKpfw VI Tiger
11-30-2005, 10:15 PM
I think as far as a WWII unit, the 1st American Infantry Division was the best because of their range of experience. The Big Red One saw service in North Africa, Sicily, Czechoslovakia, the Ardennes, Germany, Normandy, and other areas. The division suffered around 23,000 losses and had 5 MoA Recipients.

PzKpfw VI Tiger
11-30-2005, 10:17 PM
Since when has the entire Infantry Corps been descried as a 'unit' ? The poll's question is couched in the present tense - do you mean it to read as such ?

I edited the title of the poll so it could be read a little more clearly, since we are talking about Aussie Infantry in WWII.

Hosenfield
12-01-2005, 01:24 PM
I certainly do not think that there were any allied units or russian units that could be counted as the "best" in the ww2.

The german forces possessed the most highly trained and experienced soldiers of the war. Nobody had more combat experience then the German wermarct.

[edited for unknown oddity]

Gen. Sandworm
12-01-2005, 01:49 PM
At the present moment I would have to say the US armed forces are the best because of experience. However this changes very quickly with time. Not knocking the Austrailian inf. They are great and always been good reliable allies. Just my opinion

Second best maybe my friend - man for man, I'd put the British over anyone.

K man for man we still have more people. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Firefly
12-01-2005, 02:08 PM
I certainly do not think that there were any allied units or russian units that could be counted as the "best" in the ww2.

The german forces possessed the most highly trained and experienced soldiers of the war. Nobody had more combat experience then the German wermarct.

The best would either be a fallschimjager or panzer division( probably one of the first wave Heer panzer divisions or an SS panzer division)

It all depends on what you term as units.

I would say that the US Rangers were a cracking unit and the equal of any Axis formation of the same size.

Again I would say that the Ox and Bucks of Pegasus bridge fame, were the equal of any German Para unit. Thier guys trained for 2-3 years for their jobs.

Although I agree that as a rule the German Infantry was good and some of their Divisions were top drawer units.

I'm not as familiar with any Soviet units, but they must have had some excellent formations by the end of the war.

Hiddenrug
12-02-2005, 01:47 AM
Sorry. If you waqnt the topic thingy changed give me some suggestions.

Although i classified the Aussie Inf. as a unit. I was sort of trying to say like that fellow said above " The British over anyone" or something along those lines but i was saying " Is the Australian Infantry qualifiy to be one of the best Infantry divisions in thw world. Can some one make a top ten inf. list of thw world.

FluffyBunnyGB
12-02-2005, 07:20 AM
I'm not sure how you could make such a list, and any question of "who's the best unit" is bound to be highly subjective anyway.

Obviously, you'd have to discount Royal Artillery OP parties from the equation as they are the World's best infantry (and any other type of) soldier and it's not fair to compare lesser mortals to those Gods of the battlefield :D

I'm not sure how the German infantry could be ranked as "best" when they keep losing.

Perhaps the country with the best infantry is the one who have the longest record of not losing a war vs number of wars fought?

Hosenfield
12-02-2005, 02:39 PM
keep losing? The german forces won many offensive battles between 1939-1943. In 1944-1945 they won many defensive victories.

They just lost the war in then end due to viture of superior enemy numbers and material.

Charles
12-02-2005, 03:51 PM
keep losing? The german forces won many offensive battles between 1939-1943. In 1944-1945 they won many defensive victories.

They just lost the war in then end due to viture of superior enemy numbers and material.


Yeah agree. About the poll, the results are now obvious. I think that the best "units" were German + British. Russians were victorius because of number of soldiers. U.S forces before entering war in 1941 weren't that great either.

Firefly
12-02-2005, 04:41 PM
keep losing? The german forces won many offensive battles between 1939-1943. In 1944-1945 they won many defensive victories.

They just lost the war in then end due to viture of superior enemy numbers and material.

I'm sorry, despite personal preferences you have to admit the Germans were flawed. And the main flaw was Der Adolph!

Sure they developed good weapons and tactics, but they never had a chance. The average US, Brit, Russian and Polish troops fought a good fight.

Sure the Landser were well trained, but when they finally met the enemy that never gave up in the Soviet infantry, especially Stalingrad, they were shown to be just normal men in un-normal circumstances.

Dont get the idea that they were super-soldiers, they were just like you and me. When all the other countries caught up with them, the writing was on the wall.

Hiddenrug
12-03-2005, 02:00 AM
Ok i sent a message to a moderator so he could delete the poll. i did this a couple of days ago. if any moderators for this forum can delete please do it...

Dani
12-03-2005, 04:13 AM
Poll deleted as requested here.

FluffyBunnyGB
12-03-2005, 02:37 PM
keep losing? The german forces won many offensive battles between 1939-1943. In 1944-1945 they won many defensive victories.

They just lost the war in then end due to viture of superior enemy numbers and material.

That'll be a loss then.

The second time they had lost a war that century (you might have thought that Adolf would have remembered the valuable lessons he should have learnt in WW1. Fight the Brits, Russians, French and US all at the same time, and expect you will lose), although they did manage quite well in the 1870's against the French, and we must thank the Prussians for their invaluable aid defeating Napoleon in 1815 .

War isn't just about winning some battles. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I'm not being rude about the Germans here, or the Americans, or even the French, but I was more hoping to make the point that to ask who is the best infantry is an impossible question, as recognised by the removal of the poll.

However, my money would be on the Ghurkas :D

Hiddenrug
12-03-2005, 06:50 PM
Who are the Ghurkas??? Or have you made that up.

FluffyBunnyGB
12-03-2005, 07:37 PM
Is this a Wah?

Hiddenrug
12-03-2005, 11:14 PM
What are yuou on about mate :?: Please type in a language that everyone can understand thanks

Cuts
12-04-2005, 06:39 AM
Is this a Wah?

If it's not, it should be.

FluffyBunnyGB
12-04-2005, 08:18 AM
What are yuou on about mate Question Please type in a language that everyone can understand thanks

Is that a Wah as well?

Sorry Hiddenrug. That particular phrase of our shared language hasn't spread as far as I thought.

A Wah is a question the answer to which is so obvious that the question shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

I really couldn't believe you are interested in WW2 and have never heard of the Gurkhas :D

Hiddenrug
12-05-2005, 12:48 AM
thanks mate. To tell you the truth i had no idea what a Wah was before you told me! Thanks

Dani
12-06-2005, 10:45 AM
I splitted this topic. Splitted posts to be found here:
http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1291

Timbo in Oz
12-06-2005, 06:03 PM
First up and well now.

For all the talk here of the superiority of the Wehrmacht it was an Australian AIF (volunteer) Division of infantry, supplemented by one further AIF brigade, and by British Artillery and tanks, that held Tobruk for almost one year against Rommel. Thus ending the 'German invincibility' idea. Eg. when overrun by tanks they stayed in their (improved Italian) positions and killed the following pioneres and infantry.

After they were withdrawn to rest in Palestine, they came back in to the Western desert campaign in the battles of July August 1942 around El Alamein / Tel el Eisa. To end Rommel's push, which started early in the year at Gazala.

Surprising the Germans with proper divisional and corp level artillery support, big conc'ns, something few other divisions were able to do, becaue they had effectively been broken up under Dorman Smith et al's stupidities.

NB - the DAK were by this time just part of PAAfrika, buy contained all the PJ and Pz divisions.

Later in the Battle of El Alamein, they were to carry the lion's share of the proposed fighting, and even more of the crumbling fighting. Drawing all the DAK divisions onto their front, after Monty realised, as told by the inf commanders well before, the the armour would NOT 'get up. IE they were fighting the German Armour, with one brigade of Valentines!

Did not ONE of you know any of this?

the 9th Australian Division is thus one of the finest infantry divsion of WWII.

Secondly - Taking my cue from Field Marshal Slim I would also point out that the supposed invincibility of the Japanese infantry was decisively exploded by Australians, and before Guadalcanal took off.

AIF volunteers ( 6th and 7th div'ns) and AMF conscripts first at Milne Bay, and the Kokoda campaign.

It is also a fact that the British adopted Aussie jungle training schemas schemes from mid '43 on. For their campaign in Burma.

Okay?

Timbo in Oz

FluffyBunnyGB
12-10-2005, 04:44 PM
Timbo, Timbo, Timbo

No one's having a pop at the Aussie Inf. They are very well respected (along with the NZ Inf) especially by us Brits, who recognise their vital contribution to the Allied victories in both World Wars.

I've never worked with the modern Ocker inf, but have worked with your Gunners, and found them a great bunch of blokes.

Don't be so chippy old son. Great information in your posts but presented in a manner guaranteed to put folks' backs up.

Still not quite as good as the Ghurkas though :-)

Hiddenrug
12-11-2005, 03:36 AM
Onto the uniform of the Infantry.
What headdresses do all the worlds Infantry wear?
Submit images if you can.

Man of Stoat
12-11-2005, 08:30 AM
Onto the uniform of the Infantry.
What headdresses do all the worlds Infantry wear?
Submit images if you can.

Hats and helmets, typically ;)

BDL
12-11-2005, 08:38 AM
Onto the uniform of the Infantry.
What headdresses do all the worlds Infantry wear?
Submit images if you can.

Do you mean their helmets or the headdress away from the battlefield?

You can fill a book with British Army headdress, particularly the Scottish Battalions.

Hiddenrug
12-12-2005, 01:03 AM
Actually both will be good! :wink: