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Crab_to_be
10-25-2005, 06:04 PM
I've recently acquired a photograph from ebay. It was suggested that the character is Lord Tedder, but it clearly isn't. Any ideas who this is? Apologies for the photo being on its side. My computer literacy is still imperfect.
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/5261/who0pe.th.jpg (http://img415.imageshack.us/my.php?image=who0pe.jpg)
PzKpfw VI Tiger
10-25-2005, 06:37 PM
Unfortunately Crab, I can't tell you who that man is. My guess is as good as the next... but I rotated his picture so it is not right side up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/ex3no/who0pe.jpg
Hope it helps to some extend :D
Not sure who it is at the moment, but is that not an RN uniform?
pdf27
10-25-2005, 06:53 PM
Not sure who it is at the moment, but is that not an RN uniform?
Definately an RN uniform (check the full size version - there's an anchor on the cap ;)). Is it me or does the guy in it look rather like Phil the Greek?
Bladensburg
10-25-2005, 07:59 PM
Not sure who it is at the moment, but is that not an RN uniform?
Definately an RN uniform (check the full size version - there's an anchor on the cap ;)). Is it me or does the guy in it look rather like Phil the Greek?
Does a bit doesn't it? A bit old though perhaps for a WWII DoE, could it be Mountbatten?
Tsolias
10-25-2005, 08:04 PM
Who the hell is Phil the Greek?
Bladensburg
10-25-2005, 08:20 PM
Phil the Greek is the nickname (stupid people use it to be insulting, clever people know it's ironic) of His Royal Highness the Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Topor
10-25-2005, 08:34 PM
Not HRH, as Philip looks a lot younger in any photo's of him in RN uniform - his head is the wrong shape as well.
Looks very much like other photo's of Mountbatten to me.
Tsolias
10-25-2005, 08:44 PM
Phil the Greek is the nickname (stupid people use it to be insulting, clever people know it's ironic) of His Royal Highness the Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Thanks-never heard of that before.
PzKpfw VI Tiger
10-25-2005, 09:17 PM
Phil the Greek is the nickname (stupid people use it to be insulting, clever people know it's ironic) of His Royal Highness the Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Thanks-never heard of that before.
Neither have I :? Thanks for the explanation :)
Firefly
10-26-2005, 05:38 AM
I would go with Lord Loius von Battenburgh as well.
Crab_to_be
10-26-2005, 06:02 AM
Thanks for the pointers. I think the consensus is Louis Mountbatten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma). There is a strong resemblance between the picture on wiki and my photo.
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/144/page20121200119sx.jpg
Bladensburg
10-26-2005, 08:51 AM
Yep, I think that about settles it Dani.
There is a distinct familial resemblance between Mountbatten and the old Duke, though, isn't there?
Firefly
10-26-2005, 09:41 AM
LOL, I wonder why. Maybe its the same reason that in 1913 half the Monarchs of Europe look strangely alike.
Maybe Dani can find some comparison pics of King George, the Kaiser and the Czar?
Im sure much of the lesser Royals around Europe came from the same stock, Phil wasnt originally Greek though, was he?
LOL, I wonder why. Maybe its the same reason that in 1913 half the Monarchs of Europe look strangely alike.
Maybe Dani can find some comparison pics of King George, the Kaiser and the Czar?
Im sure much of the lesser Royals around Europe came from the same stock, Phil wasnt originally Greek though, was he?
http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal00225
Check their children, nephews and so on...
LOL
student-scaley
10-26-2005, 09:58 AM
LOL, I wonder why. Maybe its the same reason that in 1913 half the Monarchs of Europe look strangely alike.
Maybe Dani can find some comparison pics of King George, the Kaiser and the Czar?
Im sure much of the lesser Royals around Europe came from the same stock, Phil wasnt originally Greek though, was he?
No he was German, hence why the Queen Mum, called him that 'German junker'
LOL, I wonder why. Maybe its the same reason that in 1913 half the Monarchs of Europe look strangely alike.
Maybe Dani can find some comparison pics of King George, the Kaiser and the Czar?
Im sure much of the lesser Royals around Europe came from the same stock, Phil wasnt originally Greek though, was he?
No he was German, hence why the Queen Mum, called him that 'German junker'
Sort of...
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0806489.html
Quoted:
Battenberg , German princely family, issued from the morganatic union of Alexander, a younger son of Louis II, grand duke of Hesse-Darmstadt, and Countess Julia von Hauke, who was created (1858) princess of Battenberg. Their oldest son, Louis (1854–1921), an admiral in the British navy, married a granddaughter of Queen Victoria. During World War I he renounced (1917) his German title and anglicized his name as Mountbatten, whereupon he was created marquess of Milford Haven. His daughter Louise married Gustavus VI, king of Sweden. Another daughter, Alice, married Prince Andrew of Greece, third son of King George I of Greece; their son Philip was created duke of Edinburgh and married (1947) Princess Elizabeth of England (later Queen Elizabeth II). Louis Mountbatten was the son of the 1st marquess of Milford Haven. The second son of Prince Alexander of Hesse-Darmstadt was (1879–86) prince of Bulgaria (see Alexander). A third son, Henry, married Beatrice, daughter of Queen Victoria of England; their daughter, Victoria, married Alfonso XIII of Spain
...AS for the Kaiser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II_of_Germany
Quoted:
He was born in Berlin to Crown Prince Friedrich and his wife, Victoria, Princess Royal of Britain. His mother was the aunt of Empress Alexandra (wife of Tsar Nicholas II), and sister of King Edward VII.
Firefly
10-26-2005, 11:05 AM
Lets compare them in photos:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5255/nicholas2nd8mp.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nicholas2nd8mp.jpg)
Czar Nick
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3034/kaiserwilhelm8gc.jpg
Kaiser Bill
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/208/georgev9ld.jpg
King Geordie
Sorry about my bifidia with the multi edits, its been a while since I added images.
WW1, a family squabble that went a wee bit far....
Bladensburg
10-26-2005, 03:14 PM
See also HRH Prince Michael of Kent...
Firefly
10-26-2005, 03:38 PM
See also HRH Prince Michael of Kent...
Got a pic?
See also HRH Prince Michael of Kent...
Got a pic?
http://www.princemichael.org.uk/images/prince_left_colour.jpg
Firefly
10-26-2005, 04:21 PM
Wow, and they say cloning is a recent thing!
Crab_to_be
10-26-2005, 04:24 PM
So those moustaches are all related? What about the people whose faces they live on?
Firefly
10-26-2005, 06:00 PM
Yes beards were big in imperial times, a big Bush never went wrong then.
Stumpyhussar
10-28-2005, 10:50 AM
Regarding Mountbatten you should check out his war career:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Louis_Mountbatten
Had a grand time with his destroyer HMS Kelly until it was sunk beneath him.
Responsible for pushing through the disasterous raid on Dieppe.
Made Supreme Allied Commander in SE Asia.
After the war was the last Viceroy of Idia and oversaw the independence gained by India and Pakistan.
Tragically was murdered along with 3 others by the IRA in 1979 whilst sailing a small boat in N.Ireland.
Certainly led a full if not chequered life!
Edited for spelling.
Firefly
10-28-2005, 12:31 PM
He certainly did, but a lot of people thought he was an idiot and gained his promotions for who he was and not the results he got. Stil that happens all the time I suppose.
Bladensburg
10-28-2005, 01:24 PM
I think that he probably made a better supreme commander and flottilla commander, than he did a high-level operational commander. It seems strange that men can be good at two highly different jobs yet make a mess of positions in between.
I note that rarely amonst the nobilty he made it so that his title could pass down the female line as well as the male, I always find it odd that this applied to the very oldest Earldoms but was stopped round about the thirteenth century so that many more recent titles have died out while ancient Saxon titles survive.
Continuing the ideea of "Who is this?", I post a picture found in Russian archives (without any indication about location/time).
Could anybody tell who is the British officer?
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3528/wwiiphoto05131mq.jpg
student-scaley
01-21-2006, 04:57 AM
So those moustaches are all related? What about the people whose faces they live on?
Firefly, Crab to be, I hope you're not taking the michael with our employer's family, i don't think betty would be amused. :D
Firefly
01-21-2006, 06:11 PM
Not at all
Heil to the Royal Family
Did you know that Queen Victoria spoke with a German accent?
student-scaley
01-22-2006, 06:27 AM
Captain Darling '.....I'm as English as Queen Victoria'
Captain Blackadder 'So you're Mother's a German, you're half German and you married a German? Baldrick, the cocker-spaniel please!'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
edited for mongness
1000ydstare
01-22-2006, 06:50 AM
Dani,
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3528/wwiiphoto05131mq.jpg
There are french helmets in the background, as well as British soldiers. Go left at the height of the German Officers wings, to the man lying down with no helmet. The man above facing back is wearing a helment with a ridge across it, in the french style. As is the guy he is looking towards.
There is no damage to the French type houses to the rear, Dunkirk was heavily hammered. So it is somewhere else on the coast, i would guess. It appears to be a fishing type village.
Anyone know of any pockets of resistance to the East of Dunkirk where men may have been cut off?
1000ydstare
01-22-2006, 06:56 AM
Pure speculation...
but possibly calais or east of it.
http://www.3dhistory.co.uk/0001/0001/France1940.jpg
They would have been cut off and may have been forced to quit due to lack of equipment and stores, rather than fight toward Dunkirk, as many other units had to do.
student-scaley
01-22-2006, 07:00 AM
There was fighting in Calais, so the buildings would have been damaged so it probably isn't Calais.
1000ydstare
01-22-2006, 07:10 AM
I thought the Channel Isles at first (practically no weapons fireing at all and no fighting at all) but the presence of French helmets sort of cancels that out.
His rank appears to be General, his capbadge looks like crossed batons/baton and sword. So that shortens the list. There can' tbe than many generals captured.
Haven't been able to find a listing of any officers of that rank captured.
Canaris
01-23-2006, 10:24 AM
1st Armoured and 51st Highland Divisions were active in France after Dunkirk. I think 1st Armoured managed to evacuate unopposed but 51st Highland had to surneder (at least in part) though it later reformed. So if we think that these soldiers are not at Dunkirk then 51st Highland would be my bet.
Thanks Canaris!
http://northernblue.ca/mblog/index.php?/categories/14-Canadian-NavyRCN
German General Erwin Rommel was bearing down on the British Army's 51st Highland Division at St. Valérie on the Channel coast near Dieppe
The General of the Highlanders, General V.M. Fortune, told[...]
So should be Major-General V.M. Fortune.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A1120861
I'll try to search another picture of that general.
No chance to be Sir Victor Morven Fortune KBE, CB, DSO.
http://www.unithistories.com/officers/Army_officers_F01.html (fourth one)
Meantime I found an OOB of the 51st Highland Division
http://france1940.free.fr/oob/3armee.html#51eDIW
Officer commanding the divisional artillery : Brigadier H.C.H EDEN
153rd Brigade (Brigadier George Talbot BURNEY)
Back to search.
154th Brigade (Brigadier Arthur Christopher Lancelot STANLEY-CLARKE) wasn't captured according to http://www.theblackwatch.de/General/side_map.htm
2nd edit: 152nd Brigade (Brigadier Herbert William Vansittart STEWART) wasn't captured according to http://generals.dk/general/Stewart/Herbert_William_Vansittart/Great_Britain.html
Topor
01-23-2006, 02:17 PM
Dani
The photo is of St Valery en Caux, where General Fortune surrendered on 14th June.
Plent of French solders surrendered there as well as the 51st Highland Div.
Look at the top left of the four photo's in your 1st link: It's him all right.
There's a photo of Rommel with the surrendered French General Ihler here: http://home.hetnet.nl/~conny-rene/History03.html
Topor
01-23-2006, 02:35 PM
Ha!
That little portrait is cut from a photo of him with Rommel:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/features/dday2005/alliedsurrender1940.jpg
Dani
The photo is of St Valery en Caux, where General Fortune surrendered on 14th June.
Plent of French solders surrendered there as well as the 51st Highland Div.
Look at the top left of the four photo's in your 1st link: It's him all right.
Yep, it's him! I had a quick look at that time :oops:
Thanks mate!
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