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Cuts
10-18-2005, 11:19 AM
What I meant by pathetic, was that Churchill admitted to roosevelt Stalin should have been the one who got ko'd. Which he well knew before han

And,NO, they didn't pay it back. First I've heard about 2006. The heck with the cash. I would rather have back the American lives lost for naught.

The bankers and munitions makers etc. are the ones who proft. Going to war was the end for England.


Hmmm....
You are an interesting chap aren't you ?

It's unusual to have an American - if indeed you are one - talking about the English when they mean the British, it's usually the other way round.
I have heard many other geographical confusions, but not that one.
Well, only from one person...


I can't really comment on the first part of your post as you haven't finished it, but from what you have written so far I gather that you think Churchill was pathetic for telling Roosevelt that Stalin was to be a great enemy. Would you rather he had kept quiet about this ?
I look forward to reading your post in full.


Would you care to inform us where you have gained your impression that monies from the Lend-Lease agreement have not been repaid ?


Yes, there were war profiteers, but you're being myopic if you think this was limited to bankers and armaments manufacturers, not all of these that made any money at all from the war.


Finally, your comment of retrieval of "American lives lost for naught" is in extremely bad taste.
Putting aside the fact that many lives of good men and women from nations other than the US were lost, the very notion that it was for naught is abhorrent.
Would you rather have nations under the jackboot of Nazism ?
Do you think it's permissible for people of a certain religon to be murdered for no other reason than the way they worship their God ?
If that's ok then perhaps you also think that people with a different coloured skin from your own are fair game too.
Or old people. Or the disabled.

Hundreds of thousands of fighting men died, but to claim that it was for nothing shows an utter lack of respect to their memory.

Firefly
10-18-2005, 05:10 PM
Is it strange that the Western Democracies genuinely fought for a cause, maybe the last time we ever did so. To describe their sacrifice as meaningless and for nothing is to denigrate all the man and women that gave their lives in that struggle.

What would the World be like today if the Democracies had sat back and washed their hands of it all, would there even be any Democracies?

2nd of foot
10-18-2005, 05:13 PM
I believe the loans should be paid back in late 2006.

Of course the US has made much more money out of the companies and capital that Britain surrendered to the US to fund the war than they ever did out of the loans. Most of the post-war economic boom in the States was as a direct result of the things they got at rock bottom prices during the war.

The US also got the Dollar accepted as the international trading standard in the post war negotiations. Prior to the war all international trade was in sterling. The US also wanted the break up of the empire trading agreement, which let any country in the empire trade at favourable rates within the empire. External countries paid heavy duties to sell goods within the empire, and as the empire was most of the world, this had a direct effect on the US trade.

festamus
10-18-2005, 05:38 PM
And got the bases to project their power around the world for the next 60 years.

Blitz
10-18-2005, 05:47 PM
Again," Stuck the wrong pig" Pretty much speaks for itself.I do not understand what is so hard to comprehend. Pathetic.

Where in the world did you ever get the idea the war dept was paid back???

And for naught. roosevelt was a traitor. The U.S.A. was not in any danger from Hitler. GB was bailed out. It is of my opinion, The U.S. should have remained neutral. Outside of the American Revolution and the War of 1812,(sound familiar?) all the rest were a waist of good young men.The cream of the crop.Nothing gained for people. And that goes for all Nations. Let the 'elected' ones and their families do their bidding$$ WW1,2,Korea, Nam and since., profiteering. I don't mean to put the 'English,British down.Not trying to. One would be a fool not to defend their Nationalism. And a bigger one to let it go.

Firefly
10-18-2005, 06:07 PM
19 Posts in and you could actually call yourself Iron-Blitz, what a shockingly miopic view of history.

I advise you to go read some books and come back.

Roosevelt was the President that pulled the US out of the depression, sure he had his faults but he was in the end a great man. He had the foresight which your hindsight lacks Im afraid.

His and the US's stand against the forces of evil is commendable. If Hitler and his cronies were allowed to ravage the whole of Europe without reply and support then the conseqences would not bear thinking about. Lend lease to the Soviets significantly helped win the war. Just imagine a Nazi Germany free from a second or 3rd front, free to concentrate on an unsupported USSR. Lesser of two evils in my opinion.

pdf27
10-18-2005, 06:17 PM
Where in the world did you ever get the idea the war dept was paid back???


"Bob Spink: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) what outstanding liabilities there are to the United Kingdom of lend-lease loan facilities arranged during the Second World War; [38441]..."

"Ruth Kelly: The information is as follows."...

"Under the Agreement the loans would be repaid in 50 annual instalments [sic] commencing in 1950. However the Agreement allowed deferral of annual payments of both principal and interest if necessary because of prevailing international exchange rate conditions and the level of the United Kingdom's foreign currency and gold reserves. The United Kingdom has deferred payments on six occasions. Repayment of the war loans to the United States Government should therefore be completed on 31 December 2006, subject to the United Kingdom not choosing to exercise its option to defer payment.

As at 31 March 2001 principal of $346,287,953 (£243,573,154 at the exchange rate on that day) was outstanding on the loans provided by the United States Government in 1945. The Government intend to meet its obligations under the 1945 Agreement by repaying the United States Government in full the amounts lend [sic] in 1945. "


"Lord Campbell of Croy: My Lords, is this payment part of the lend-lease scheme under which the United States supplied munitions, vehicles and many other requirements including food and other provisions that were needed badly by us in the last part of the war?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, I referred to lend-lease in the context of the generosity of the United States throughout that period. However, the debt that we are talking about now is separate; it was negotiated in December 1945.

Lord Stoddart of Swindon: My Lords, will the noble Lord remind me as to exactly how much the loan was, and how much we have repaid since then in principal and interest?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, the loan originally was £1,075 million, of which £244 million is outstanding. The basis of the loan is that interest is paid at 2 per cent. Therefore, we are currently receiving a greater return on our dollar assets than we are paying in interest to pay off the loan. It is a very advantageous loan for us. "

So in other words you're either as ignorant as you are accusing everyone else of being, or you're lying through your teeth. Have you been taking lessons from a certain ferrous individual?

Sturmtruppen
10-18-2005, 07:34 PM
It's unusual to have an American - if indeed you are one - talking about the English when they mean the British, it's usually the other way round.
I have heard many other geographical confusions, but not that one.
Well, only from one person...

Ohhh!!!,Argentines aren't alone!!! :D

Blitz
10-19-2005, 08:36 AM
Very biased and one sided indeed!(members of forum) A little over pompus also. As far as roosevelt "The Traitor" You sir are the one who should do a little more reading. For you do not know 'jack' about him other than what has been forced through so-called history' books. Do some leg work. The info. is out there. A liar? How harsh. I never said you were ignorant. You do a good enough job of that yourself. It still is not paid off. Is it?

Firefly
10-19-2005, 08:50 AM
Ok then Mr Blitz. What have I and countless millions of others got wrong about Mr Roosevelt?

Please enlighten us with the information that you obviously do know and we 'untermensh' from accross the sea do not?

I for one am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Man of Stoat
10-19-2005, 09:09 AM
Let's look at the facts here. 1. Tone of posting. 2. Being confrontational. 3. Not reading what's written. 4. Spelling. 5. Changing point mid-argument. 6. Ignoring facts from reputable sources. 7. "Pathetic." 8. "Saved your ***" attitude. 9. Claiming that "there are sources out there" but never providing any.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is my contention that our "friend" just can't stay away.



Man of Stoat's wife says:
Blitz or Ironman or whoever you are, if you actually are an American and genuinely believe that Americans who died in WW2 gave their lives for nothing, then I am ashamed that you are my countryman.

pdf27
10-19-2005, 12:05 PM
Let's look at the facts here. 1. Tone of posting. 2. Being confrontational. 3. Not reading what's written. 4. Spelling. 5. Changing point mid-argument. 6. Ignoring facts from reputable sources. 7. "Pathetic." 8. "Saved your ***" attitude. 9. Claiming that "there are sources out there" but never providing any.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is my contention that our "friend" just can't stay away.


I propose a test. Blitz, what do you think of the M1 carbine?

Sturmtruppen
10-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Let's look at the facts here......

stoaty,that was not nice :( (Im not nice but it is not the point) ,if you do not want to be insulted don't insult! (that also goes to me,but i don't worry for being or not insulted).


what do you think of the M1 carbine?
is it an assault rifle :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ,mate,he cannot be frionpan,ironman don't even knows how to change the ip,and he has be completely banned from here,so he will not be able to return.

Blitz
10-19-2005, 02:09 PM
As I stated, Try looking it up . A good place to start would be'None dare call it TREASON , by John A. Stormer. roosevelts administration was rife with 'communists'. But then again,thats what Hitler was fighting. Oh,thats right, Stalin was one of the'allies'. A lot of hate goin on here. Nasty,nasty! I do beleive the "jury" is rigged.

The M-1 carbine is a nice little collectors item. A bit under powered. Nice and light and easy to weild. I like the M-1Garand personally. I have one in most excellent shape. I have a small range (50 yd.)on my property that I shoot it at along with the rest of my 2nd. amenment weapons.

Why do you want me kicked off here?

Firefly
10-19-2005, 03:33 PM
You still havent answered the question though. I could order the book, wait 3 months for it to arrive and say, hey, Blitz was right. On the other hand you can explain why Roosevelt was a traitor?

Seems to me, if you already know, you could share the info with us. That is after all what this Forum is about. Isnt it?

Bladensburg
10-19-2005, 03:46 PM
Well, the blaming "commies" for everything regardless of facts is a classic sign of a a certain sort of American so I think we can confirm his nationality They still do it now if you have a look at mil.com, even though none of the people they finger as communists are any such thing.

Blitz - you have failed to awknowledge your error with regards to the Lend-lease debts, although you heve been shown proof. Please do so or sod off.

Firefly
10-19-2005, 03:50 PM
Of course many in the US think that is you are slightly left of 'Burn them all in Hell' evangelicals, ergo a communist you must be!

2nd of foot
10-19-2005, 03:55 PM
As I stated, Try looking it up . A good place to start would be'None dare call it TREASON , by John A. Stormer. roosevelts administration was rife with 'communists'. But then again,thats what Hitler was fighting. Oh,thats right, Stalin was one of the'allies'. A lot of hate goin on here. Nasty,nasty! I do beleive the "jury" is rigged.

Were they communists or just had socialist views? And what wrong with being communist? Christ was one.

Hitler was not fighting communists he wanted power. Not many communist is Poland, France, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Czechoslovakia or Greece (my apologies for the ones I have mist some).


roosevelt was a traitor.

Please enlighten me, why was he a traitor. Did he fight against his own country?


The U.S.A. was not in any danger from Hitler.

I seem to remember something about Mr Brown having plans for an intercontinental missile. Germany was also allied to Japan who saw the US as a threat to their interest in the pacific.


The U.S. should have remained neutral. Outside of the American Revolution and the War of 1812,(sound familiar?) all the rest were a waist of good young men.

You forgot the Mexican wars and the Spanish wars and the Indian wars not to mention the greatest loss of life the 2nd civil war. And the war of 1812 was one that was a total waste of good men in a hunt to enrich others.


Nothing gained for people. And that goes for all Nations.

You got the Philippines for a short time.

And as it has already been pointed out the LL has been paid off. The agreement in the 50s saw the US get a very good deal and move into the world power market.

Sturmtruppen
10-19-2005, 09:09 PM
Why do you want me kicked off here?

I don't want you kicked off mate,i was just intervening as an impartial ,i sent you an email,check the inbox!,you understood bad mate,im sorry,i forget to say that i was making reference to an ex member called IRONMAN.

excuse me.

Blitz
10-20-2005, 10:48 AM
I guess this thread should be put to sleep. Y'll beleive what ya want. As I stated early on,I don't mean to offend anyone. You have no proof to the contrary about fdr. Outside of mainsteam history.They taught me the same crap when I was in school. The victors write 'history'.Don't be so afraid to expand your thoughts.
And I am a commie? A leftist?Wow. Any ole ways, I am just plain darn happy I live here. The time is, 11:45am It's 71 degrees outside, The sun is shining brightly,clean air. Beautiful!! :D Y'll gotta come in out of the fog.

Blitz
10-20-2005, 10:52 AM
I forgot in the previous post, The 'Barnes Review. is another good source.
LOL mean it.

Firefly
10-20-2005, 01:44 PM
From The Barnes Review:

Hitler deserved the Nobel Peace Prize:

http://www.barnesreview.org/html/nobel.html


None of the “peace loving democracies” paid any attention to Hitler’s offer. The only reason why King Edward was not allowed to remain on the British throne was because he let it be known that as long as he was the king, England would not go to war with Germany.


Based on the above, Hitler should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize posthumously to set things straight. He was not the cause of World War II and he did not want any war. He was a man of peace and he worked for peace in every way he could.

What a fascinating read.

Firefly
10-20-2005, 01:56 PM
Well Ive read a few articles of that Journal, its a very thinly disguised pro white nazi sympathising rag in my opinion.

Almost evry article bangs on about 'White Men' and how they are the greatest race, white men were in America in the uear 1000BC etc etc etc.

I do however advise everyone to read it, if not just to laugh out loud!

Oh forgot to mention its also very anti-semitic, give this article a read and watch how it changes about half way down. I had no idea that Mohamedans were around at the time of the first Jews!

http://www.barnesreview.org/html/yockey.html

Blitz
10-20-2005, 04:40 PM
Fiefly,firefly,firefly..... :D Know ye the truth and it will make you afeared!!
You guys are almost funny. Almost. Ignorance is bliss. See,it does not matter what you read.If it hurts your itty-bitty feelings,it's garbage. That could almost form a narrow mind.I have been reading the Barnes Review since it's inception. While I do not agree with some of it,I keep an open mind. Stay in the dark if ya whant. Your Gov. and the mainstream will take care of you. :cry:

Blitz
10-20-2005, 04:50 PM
And by the way fiefly (almost sounds like superfly) Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's. It is not directed to whites only. (TBR)It also has black history also.Even British, Irish Russian etc. You trash what you no nothing about. What's new?At any rate, I am Proud of my (white)heritage. Thanks for your reply 'buddy' :D

Firefly
10-20-2005, 05:07 PM
And by the way fiefly (almost sounds like superfly) Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's. It is not directed to whites only. (TBR)It also has black history also.Even British, Irish Russian etc. You trash what you no nothing about. What's new?At any rate, I am Proud of my (white)heritage. Thanks for your reply 'buddy' :D

I would like to remind you that this site is WW2 in colour, not White Supremacist in Colour.

I could pick holes in that Rag all day if I wanted to, but I will stick to ww2 I think.

I dont know what problems we have with Black ppl here, maybe you can enlighten me?

Am I black? Maybe, but does it matter? I certainly dont consider myself English, thats for sure, but then I think I probably know a lot more about your country than you do mine. :lol:

BDL
10-20-2005, 06:09 PM
And by the way fiefly (almost sounds like superfly) Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them

Oh good, a white supremicist. Just what we needed :roll:

Blitz
10-21-2005, 04:16 PM
:D I do love the name calling. If being proud of my heritage makes me a white supremist,So be it! :D I'd like to see ya pick hole all day long in the Barnes Review. Show little you really know. You better bone up on your own history. You don't know as much as you 'think' about U..S.A. history.
You do know they kicked your (where the sun don't shine) Twice. Bailed ya's out at LEAST 3 times. Like I said, check out your own history and let me know why your freedoms have gone down the drain.With your previous posts it's no wonder you's guy's are in such sorry shape. Our Forefathers sure did us one heck of a BIG favor. No offence meant in any of the above . friendly

Hey! Another good site- WWW.Americanfreepress.net
I'm sure you will love it :D :D

BDL
10-21-2005, 04:29 PM
:D I do love the name calling. If being proud of my heritage makes me a white supremist,So be it! :D I'd like to see ya pick hole all day long in the Barnes Review. Show little you really know. You better bone up on your own history. You don't know as much as you 'think' about U..S.A. history.

I read about four lines from that link about the savage native making war on women and children, that was enough for me.


You do know they kicked your (where the sun don't shine) Twice. Bailed ya's out at LEAST 3 times. Like I said, check out your own history and let me know why your freedoms have gone down the drain.With your previous posts it's no wonder you's guy's are in such sorry shape. Our Forefathers sure did us one heck of a BIG favor. No offence meant in any of the above . friendly

Twice? I'll give you the War of Independance, when was the other one? You can't be talking about 1812, because last time I checked, having you capital city occupied and burned down by the enemy did not actually count as kicking that enemy's arse.

When have you bailed us out?


Hey! Another good site- WWW.Americanfreepress.net
I'm sure you will love it :D :D

You are Ironman and I claim my five pounds.

Firefly
10-21-2005, 04:33 PM
There was one article there that alluded to the war of 1812. It kind of glossed over the disasterous attempt by US forces to take Canada, which ended in a debacle, missed, the burning of the Whitehouse and concentrated on a very well fought and won victory in New Orleans. This was indeed a good fight by US forces.

However, I had to chuckle quite a bit as it stated that the US forces fought against the British veterans who had defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. Sorry, but this hadnt happened in 1814, Waterloo was 1815 as far as all the worlds history books have it.

Good old Barnes review, first with the facts eh.....

Firefly
10-21-2005, 04:37 PM
:D I do love the name calling. If being proud of my heritage makes me a white supremist,So be it! :D I'd like to see ya pick hole all day long in the Barnes Review. Show little you really know. You better bone up on your own history. You don't know as much as you 'think' about U..S.A. history.
You do know they kicked your (where the sun don't shine) Twice. Bailed ya's out at LEAST 3 times. Like I said, check out your own history and let me know why your freedoms have gone down the drain.With your previous posts it's no wonder you's guy's are in such sorry shape. Our Forefathers sure did us one heck of a BIG favor. No offence meant in any of the above . friendly

Hey! Another good site- WWW.Americanfreepress.net
I'm sure you will love it :D :D

Im sure I wont, do you actually believe all that blather?

Firefly
10-21-2005, 04:43 PM
You are Ironman and I claim my five pounds.

If only he were, but I fear he is naught!

pdf27
10-21-2005, 05:24 PM
Does anyone have any good photos of Jesse Owens kicking around I could get turned into an avatar?

BDL
10-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Does anyone have any good photos of Jesse Owens kicking around I could get turned into an avatar?

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/3879/jesseowens9wq.jpg

That do?

Sturmtruppen
10-21-2005, 10:20 PM
excuse me,what does he has with the world war 2 topic?,i thought that we only can use the avatars about ww2.

DerMann
10-22-2005, 12:20 AM
Technically it deals with WWII.

Jesse Owens was the black guy from the US who beat Hitler's pure Aryans in the 1930-something Olympics. Lets just say Hitler wasn't too happy.

Sturmtruppen
10-22-2005, 12:30 AM
Technically it deals with WWII.

Jesse Owens was the black guy from the US who beat Hitler's pure Aryans in the 1930-something Olympics. Lets just say Hitler wasn't too happy.

Well,that is ww2?,then i can have an avatar of peron only because he worked with Otto skorzeny (or how it is written his name).

pdf27
10-22-2005, 06:16 AM
Well,that is ww2?,then i can have an avatar of peron only because he worked with Otto skorzeny (or how it is written his name).
It is something of a tenuous link, but I'm more interested in how a certain Mr. Blitz earlier on in this thread will react. His views after all have rather more in common with one particular side in WW2...
I'm happy to go back to having no avatar if the mods feel it inappropriate however.

Crab_to_be
10-22-2005, 07:05 AM
Let's play a game, and see what the evil wikipedian menace has to say about the Barnes Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Review) and the American Free Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press). What have we here? The American Free Press seems to be a right wing paper with a touch of anti-semitism, whilst the Barnes Review is big on historical revisionism and holocaust denial. I wouldn't be surprised if our friend Blitz also reads materials produced by the Institute for Historical Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review). The name Willis Carto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto) popped up a few times. He sounds like the kind of rational person we could all benefit from listening too. His Populist party (no wiki) fielded, amongst others, this cuddly fellow as a presidential candidate: David Duke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke). Those Wiki-communists really need to be brought to heel for badmouthing these fine upstanding people.

pdf27
10-22-2005, 07:19 AM
Would this be the same Willis Allison Carto wanted for money laundering in Switzerland?
http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/images/warrant.gif

Bladensburg
10-22-2005, 08:56 AM
Hmm, a nice picture of Harold Abrams winning in 1936 might also be in order.

Blitz
10-22-2005, 09:24 AM
Good morning gents! I hope this bright sunny day finds you all well .
Ok. The Revolution, The War of 1812. No matter how you skirt it,Your tail was between your legs. You are there, we are hear.You are a 3rd. rate Nation at best. Your arguments are pretty feable ones. You are still living in the past,way past.That Argentine fellow is the only one who seems to have his head screwed on right. I am not the only one who reads the Barnes Review and America Free Press.There are a lot of well learned people all over the world who read it. (not that I am a brain) But I do try to expand my knowledge past the local rag and mainstream BS. Some people choose to remain stuck in the mud. What do you read to find out what your Gov. is doing to screw you?Again. David Duke? Good man.I saw him in person a couple of times. Bail you out? WW1,WW2 and lets not forget the real-estate that we are forbidden to mention,off Argentina. I won't mention it even though I was asked. How's the weather over there? Beautiful here. Supposed to get down around 65 for a high in a couple of days. But sunny!
Y'll keep smilin! :D

Crab_to_be
10-22-2005, 09:50 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/darth_doctrinus/thief.gif (Apologies to Darth Doctrinus)

Reason:
Trolling.

Firefly
10-22-2005, 10:11 AM
Tail between legs eh:

http://www.multied.com/1812/Hull.html


I suggest back on topic here. No good arguing with a Bigot. Weve all tried it before. I suppose we are bound to pick up a few of the Tinfoil-Hat brigade now and then.

Blitz
10-22-2005, 05:23 PM
:D Like I said, I love the name calling.Bigot etc. there ,there boys. Just where are the moderaters when you need em. Only kidding. I can take a joke and you guy's are funny!Canada is not really up there with the biggies either. Yes! Tails between their legs. Twice! Bailed ya's out at least thrice!
No big deal. I wouldn't want to admit it either. Lets keep this friendly now,ok?

About roosevelt the 'Traitor'. It seems not to matter what is presented to you, you are in denial.And thats ok! But anyhow, what is your take on John Toland? Another bigot racist or anti-semite? You could do well to read ,I believe ,'infamy' a book he wrote.I thunk. Y'll gotta get over here someday,and enjoy life.

:wink:

Blitz
10-22-2005, 05:36 PM
For the above post, I forgot. As we (U.S.A.)do not want to be at odds with y'll again,please leave your guns at home. Whoops! sorry. I forgot,you aint got any. :cry: And that is not a good thing. I honestly hope ya's get to straighten that mess out. Heck, you can't even practice up for the olympics when it gets there. Sad state of affairs. I DO NOT mean to make a joke out of it. Iam sincere! :evil: We have to put our elected ones in their place on both sides of the pond!! And I do wish you well. (not the anti-gun) roosevelt was still a traitor!

Firefly
10-22-2005, 05:44 PM
So, Blitz, any opinions on British preparations for war, Old Chap? As this is the subject dear boy. Please be a good sport and stay on topic laddie.

Crab_to_be
10-22-2005, 06:00 PM
Split from British Preparations for war. Blitz uses a holocaust denying publication as a source of historical information. Do I need to say more?

1000ydstare
10-23-2005, 12:37 AM
Blitz are you related to IRONMAN? Or maybe you share the same ward at the centre.

South African Military
10-23-2005, 04:13 AM
Blitz are you related to IRONMAN? Or maybe you share the same ward at the centre.

Very unlikely. Im sure IRONMAN stays in solitary confinement. I really do feel for those poor white padded walls.

Iron Yeoman
10-23-2005, 05:00 AM
Blitz, You sir are at a crossroads, you have several options.
1) You can recant your white supremacist trash and return to the rest of normal decent society. Also you can stop warping history and admit you didn't give us a sound thrashing in the war of 1812, it was a draw, and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Also you could also withdraw your statements reference your Mexican problems. Immigrants are not a bad thing, all throughout history peoples have migrated (how else do you think your ancestors got to America?) it is natural that there are population shifts, it is a law of nature (and if immigration didn't happen I would never have met my wonderful girlfriend :D ).

2) You can continue to believe your very misguided dogma but not discuss it as it is highly offensive to many and is not conducive to the welcoming and good natured atmosphere of this site.

3) You can continue in this misguided rant against the various peoples of this planet and be dispised by all and most likely eventually banned

4) You can carry on as before and leave this site well alone.

I hope you chose option 1, for your sake as well as ours.

Firefly
10-23-2005, 08:51 AM
Or 5, back up your statements with proven facts, add something to the denate instead of detracting from it.

1000ydstare
10-23-2005, 08:55 AM
What's a denate?

Can you have a great denate?

mike M.
10-23-2005, 11:20 AM
I am Proud of my (white)heritage.


Blitz, You sir are at a crossroads, you have several options.
1) You can recant your white supremacist trash .

Some of the things Blitz is saying I may not agree with BUT the statement above from Blitz, I see nothing wrong with. Its okay to be proud of your heritage..that does not make you a racist.

Iron Yeoman
10-23-2005, 12:13 PM
Wasn't debating that old boy, it's ok to be proud of who you are.

Blitz
10-23-2005, 12:23 PM
:D Good afternoon dear fellows. All my statements stand. They cannot be proven wrong. At least none of you have. You show no proof of anything. .Just what the main steam tells ya. Two sides to every coin. You'r coin has but one side.I am quite pleased you's guy's were not able and if so,prove me wrong. I really thought I would get 'some' kind of comeback on my coments about merry ole England. And to add to it,Englands economy has been a basket case since ww2. Right or wrong, at least I am not afraid to look at other options. I do agree this has got off topic. But y'll are the one's who did that. I stated earlier do drop this. And yes,I do question the 'holocaust'. Can't we all just get along?

mike M.
10-23-2005, 12:24 PM
You can recant your white supremacist trash

Did I miss something??? My above post was aimed at this??

Blitz
10-23-2005, 12:28 PM
Mike M,I was refering to the above your post stuff. Sorry.

Blitz
10-23-2005, 12:34 PM
Mike M, I notice you location. Good luck down there. Those civies (ranchers,etc.) patrolling the boarder are doing one heck of a great job. To bad there is not any gov. help.
This was off topic. Sorry to all.

mike M.
10-23-2005, 12:36 PM
No problem Blitz, I was replying to student. He's calls you a white supremacist and I have not seen that in your post's.
IM located in so. Calif. where about you located?

mike M.
10-23-2005, 12:45 PM
Those civies (ranchers,etc.) patrolling the boarder are doing one heck of a great job. To bad there is not any gov. help.
.

Yes they are doing a great job. If I was closer I would get on my quad and help out.

Firefly
10-23-2005, 12:50 PM
Of course we can all get along Blitz, I would like you to quantify this statement though:


And yes,I do question the 'holocaust'.


Im very intersested in what you have to say about it. I mean this sincerely not as a Troll, Im genuinely interested in what you question about it.

Thanks....

Crab_to_be
10-23-2005, 01:34 PM
... All my statements stand. They cannot be proven wrong. At least none of you have. You show no proof of anything. .Just what the main steam tells ya. Two sides to every coin. You'r coin has but one side.I am quite pleased you's guy's were not able and if so,prove me wrong. I really thought I would get 'some' kind of comeback on my coments about merry ole England...

Except proving you absolutely wrong beyond any doubt on your claim the England has never paid back the lend-lease monies. Or doesn't that count?

1000ydstare
10-23-2005, 01:40 PM
We need some kind of IQ test for membership to this site. We keep getting headbangers who are incapable of assimilating data that is different to their view.

pdf27
10-23-2005, 04:08 PM
No problem Blitz, I was replying to student. He's calls you a white supremacist and I have not seen that in your post's.
IM located in so. Calif. where about you located?


And by the way fiefly (almost sounds like superfly) Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's. It is not directed to whites only. (TBR)It also has black history also.Even British, Irish Russian etc. You trash what you no nothing about. What's new?At any rate, I am Proud of my (white)heritage. Thanks for your reply 'buddy'
Posts like that are enough to make us wonder, particularly given the sources he keeps quoting...

Blitz
10-23-2005, 04:22 PM
Firefly, Remember now, I was not the one who bought up race, anti-semitism or the holacaust. You guys did. Start a new thread or something. lets let this one die. Nothing is being solved. I wouldn't mind giving my views about it(holocaust) with y'll. I don't know if it is legal for brits to deny it.(not that you would) I do believe it is illegal in most countiries over there. At least we have the 1st. amend. for now. I am also sure you's guys would berate me again. As you well know,with name calling etc. I thought such things were not allowed. That is no problem with me. I kinda like it! Oh well,whats the weather like over there? Another bright sunny day here. Painting my house. I hope to get it done before bad weather. :D later

Blitz
10-23-2005, 04:26 PM
Mike M, The great state of South Carolina! :D :D

Crab_to_be
10-23-2005, 04:47 PM
Englands economy has been a basket case since ww2.

I see you are as well informed on this matter as you are on the war of 1812 and the repayments of lend-lease. The economy of the United Kingdom has varied from boom to recession, at times outperforming the US economy and at others struggling along. But let's not let truth impede on making blanket statements.

Crab_to_be
10-23-2005, 04:51 PM
And yes,I do question the 'holocaust'.

Can you clarify your statement?

It's not a crime in the UK to deny the holocaust. However, doing so does demonstrate a particular stubborn unwillingness to believe the information of innumerable reliable primary and secondary sources of historical information.

Blitz
10-23-2005, 05:02 PM
Student, You 4 points are really silly!!!! :D :D :D

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:08 PM
Englands economy has been a basket case since ww2.

and then the english guys are attacking my country's economy :roll: .

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:11 PM
No problem Blitz, I was replying to student. He's calls you a white supremacist and I have not seen that in your post's.
IM located in so. Calif. where about you located?


And by the way fiefly (almost sounds like superfly) Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's. It is not directed to whites only. (TBR)It also has black history also.Even British, Irish Russian etc. You trash what you no nothing about. What's new?At any rate, I am Proud of my (white)heritage. Thanks for your reply 'buddy'
Posts like that are enough to make us wonder, particularly given the sources he keeps quoting...

He is not being racist or white supremacist!!!!,he is not saying that the whites are better than no whites,he just says that he is proud of his race!!!,it's like saying "im proud of my (argentina)country",then im discriminating those who are not argentines?,or being a supremacist?.

IM fully agree with mike and blitz!!!

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:23 PM
We need some kind of IQ test for membership to this site. We keep getting headbangers who are incapable of assimilating data that is different to their view.

1000yds,you would have to not register in here then :D

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:25 PM
Blitz are you related to IRONMAN? Or maybe you share the same ward at the centre.

Very unlikely. Im sure IRONMAN stays in solitary confinement. I really do feel for those poor white padded walls.
SAM :D ,you stolen the words from my mouth! (or fingers :roll: ).
IRONMAN FINISHED HERE!

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:26 PM
Wasn't debating that old boy, it's ok to be proud of who you are.

First you were calling him white supremacist!,come on young boy!,it is not that easy to fix the things!! (i tell you from my experience :wink: )

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:30 PM
Technically it deals with WWII.

Jesse Owens was the black guy from the US who beat Hitler's pure Aryans in the 1930-something Olympics. Lets just say Hitler wasn't too happy.

And technically,Peron was a mate of hitler,so i can use his avatar THEN

pdf27
10-23-2005, 05:38 PM
He is not being racist or white supremacist!!!!,he is not saying that the whites are better than no whites,he just says that he is proud of his race!!!,it's like saying "im proud of my (argentina)country",then im discriminating those who are not argentines?,or being a supremacist?.
Ummm... "Proud of my race" is often used as shorthand for saying it's better than others while getting around pesky anti-discrimination legislation. I believe the Klu Klux Klan kids website uses exactly that phrase (that is, if I found the correct one not some very sick joke). There are also a pair of 14 or so year old twin girls who sing white supremacist songs who have been in the news recently, and one of their songs uses that exact phrase. So while it may not in and of itself be racist, it definately sets alarm bells ringing.

Incidentally, I see no point in being proud of things that you have through accident of birth or were given to you freely - I only see those things you had to work to earn as being worthy of pride. Hence, I am proud of things like my education but not proud of my nationality (note that I am very happy to be British and wouldn't change it for any other nationality, but I do not see it as a reason for pride).

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:43 PM
He is not being racist or white supremacist!!!!,he is not saying that the whites are better than no whites,he just says that he is proud of his race!!!,it's like saying "im proud of my (argentina)country",then im discriminating those who are not argentines?,or being a supremacist?.
Ummm... "Proud of my race" is often used as shorthand for saying it's better than others while getting around pesky anti-discrimination legislation. I believe the Klu Klux Klan kids website uses exactly that phrase (that is, if I found the correct one not some very sick joke). There are also a pair of 14 or so year old twin girls who sing white supremacist songs who have been in the news recently, and one of their songs uses that exact phrase. So while it may not in and of itself be racist, it definately sets alarm bells ringing.

Incidentally, I see no point in being proud of things that you have through accident of birth or were given to you freely - I only see those things you had to work to earn as being worthy of pride. Hence, I am proud of things like my education but not proud of my nationality (note that I am very happy to be British and wouldn't change it for any other nationality, but I do not see it as a reason for pride).

If he sees any reasons for being proud of his race,then he has the right to say that,he isn't saying that not white races are worst,also he is not guilty if 14 years girls use that for songs!,then if somebody uses the word.
And not everybody knows that they use it,i don't even know what is the klu klux klan.Here the only mind ****ed people are the skinheads,and if they use a word with an offensive intention,then i cannot use it with a peaceful intention?.
I am proud of being argentine,and i have a list of why i am proud of that,i read it every day,and then i remember that good was very nice with me :D .

Greetings!

BDL
10-23-2005, 05:46 PM
Englands economy has been a basket case since ww2.

and then the english guys are attacking my country's economy :roll: .

Erwin, read the replies to the comment you quoted - the British economy has been up and down in the past (as has every economy in the world since WW2) - check the facts before you believe what some on a website says on a forum. I believe the British economy is currently the fourth or fifth strongest in the world.

And I've not seen anyone attack the Argentinian economy - I believe the only comments I've seen about it were in the Falklands/Malvinas thread relating to the fact that Argentina was currently in a bit of a mess economically and would be unlikely to be able to afford to invade the Islands again.

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:49 PM
Englands economy has been a basket case since ww2.

and then the english guys are attacking my country's economy :roll: .

Erwin, read the replies to the comment you quoted - the British economy has been up and down in the past (as has every economy in the world since WW2) - check the facts before you believe what some on a website says on a forum. I believe the British economy is currently the fourth or fifth strongest in the world.

And I've not seen anyone attack the Argentinian economy - I believe the only comments I've seen about it were in the Falklands/Malvinas thread relating to the fact that Argentina was currently in a bit of a mess economically and would be unlikely to be able to afford to invade the Islands again.

we were the 7th,and we are a country of only 2 hundred years,a bit more,i didn't say that you were attacking now,i said that you usually atack my country's economy (my expression was literally translated,that's why both we understand it from different form.

we gave home to a lot of europeans,for example a big community of welsh!.

BDL
10-23-2005, 05:49 PM
He is not being racist or white supremacist!!!!,he is not saying that the whites are better than no whites,he just says that he is proud of his race!!!,it's like saying "im proud of my (argentina)country",then im discriminating those who are not argentines?,or being a supremacist?.

IM fully agree with mike and blitz!!!

Saying that all whites are better than none whites is basically saying that Hitler was a better person that Nelson Mandela. You can be proud of your country or your town or you school or your regiment or whatever, but I can't see how anyone can be proud of their colour.

And many of the things he's said do look a bit dodgy and it seems he'd rather tell us about the weather where he is than explain any of them properly.

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:53 PM
He is not being racist or white supremacist!!!!,he is not saying that the whites are better than no whites,he just says that he is proud of his race!!!,it's like saying "im proud of my (argentina)country",then im discriminating those who are not argentines?,or being a supremacist?.

IM fully agree with mike and blitz!!!

Saying that all whites are better than none whites is basically saying that Hitler was a better person that Nelson Mandela. You can be proud of your country or your town or you school or your regiment or whatever, but I can't see how anyone can be proud of their colour.

And many of the things he's said do look a bit dodgy and it seems he'd rather tell us about the weather where he is than explain any of them properly.

he didn't say that whites are better than not whites,he is proud of his heritage,it is white,well,then he is proud of what the white people have done,if a black is proud of the things that black people have done.
AGAIN:he said that he is happy about what he is,not that people different than him are worst.

i think there is no need for an explanation,im sure he is not discriminating.

pdf27
10-23-2005, 05:53 PM
If he sees any reasons for being proud of his race,then he has the right to say that,he isn't saying that not white races are worst,also he is not guilty if 14 years girls use that for songs!,then if somebody uses the word.
And not everybody knows that they use it,i don't even know what is the klu klux klan.Here the only mind ****ed people are the skinheads,and if they use a word with an offensive intention,then i cannot use it with a peaceful intention?.
I am proud of being argentine,and i have a list of why i am proud of that,i read it every day,and then i remember that good was very nice with me :D .

Greetings!
Oh, he's entitled to say so. However, if he comes up with phrases generally used as code for "I'm superior to people with darker skin because they have darker skin" we are also quite at liberty to consider him a white supremacist and by extension an oxygen thief.
Oh, and the Klu Klux Klan were originally a group founded by former soldiers in the ex-Confederate states in the aftermath of the US civil war. Their main targets were anyone assisting the Union in governing the south, and the odd black who got too powerful. The modern incarnation was founded in the 1920s or so as an explicitly racist and white supremacist organisation, and they still exist to this day dedicated to much the same ideals. IIRC Blitz has referred to work from at least one member of the KKK as a source earlier in this thread.
Note that the KKK are not just an organisation who parade in silly costumes and burn crosses privately, but have been implicated (directly or more usually indirectly) in multiple murders, both of civil rights volunteers in the 1960s and blacks in general.

None of this proves guilt - but it is enough to make us highly suspicious of his motives, particularly when he starts claiming the Holocaust never happened in the way history records it.

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 05:57 PM
If he sees any reasons for being proud of his race,then he has the right to say that,he isn't saying that not white races are worst,also he is not guilty if 14 years girls use that for songs!,then if somebody uses the word.
And not everybody knows that they use it,i don't even know what is the klu klux klan.Here the only mind ****ed people are the skinheads,and if they use a word with an offensive intention,then i cannot use it with a peaceful intention?.
I am proud of being argentine,and i have a list of why i am proud of that,i read it every day,and then i remember that good was very nice with me :D .

Greetings!
Oh, he's entitled to say so. However, if he comes up with phrases generally used as code for "I'm superior to people with darker skin because they have darker skin" we are also quite at liberty to consider him a white supremacist and by extension an oxygen thief.
Oh, and the Klu Klux Klan were originally a group founded by former soldiers in the ex-Confederate states in the aftermath of the US civil war. Their main targets were anyone assisting the Union in governing the south, and the odd black who got too powerful. The modern incarnation was founded in the 1920s or so as an explicitly racist and white supremacist organisation, and they still exist to this day dedicated to much the same ideals. IIRC Blitz has referred to work from at least one member of the KKK as a source earlier in this thread.
Note that the KKK are not just an organisation who parade in silly costumes and burn crosses privately, but have been implicated (directly or more usually indirectly) in multiple murders, both of civil rights volunteers in the 1960s and blacks in general.

None of this proves guilt - but it is enough to make us highly suspicious of his motives, particularly when he starts claiming the Holocaust never happened in the way history records it.

he didn't say something like that!,or aluding to that!.
thanks for the info of the GLU GLU KLAN
I don't have info of the KKK,but you said black IN GENERAL,so,not all of them,maybe it just coincidence,if an army kills more white people,than,isn't that discrimination?.

he isn't guilty,then you are just disturbing him.

and quote me please that of the holocaust.

BDL
10-23-2005, 06:11 PM
And yes,I do question the 'holocaust'.

This is the holocaust quote that pdf is referring to Erwin

Iron Yeoman
10-23-2005, 06:17 PM
And yes,I do question the 'holocaust'

Pardon? Please explain the bodies of six million jews and countless others (homosexuals, communists, gypsys etc). What is there to question? The nazis systimatically exterminated millions of people because they were deemed to not be 'pure'. If that isn't a holocaust then what in our good Lord's name is?


Student, You 4 points are really silly!!!!

Eloquently argued :roll:

Blitz
10-23-2005, 07:14 PM
First off good evening ladies. It is a bit cool tonight. Tomorrow will be sunny and bright. Whoops,I meant 'gentleman'.
Second, Erwin, the guy from Argentina, The one with his head screwed on tight. Thank you for your comments. Much better than these predudice learned ones that keep on spewing hate. But their posts really show where their heads are at.They do a better job of defending me though. They do a good job of digging their own graves.
Third,I try do be nice, but you guys are just plain old ugly!
I do not call names, But! you the 'academics' Do. Thats ok. Such 'english gentleman! If you took all my posts out and just read yours, Well, a proud occurrence that would be.
Fourth, Try not being an ostrich all your life. You give the bird a bad image. The bird uses the ground.
Fifth, If you want,again, lets start a new thread on the holocaust. I would be happy to participate. On the bright side, it would give ya's a chance,again,to show your great intellect. So,let sleeping dogs lie.(bull dogs) Only kidding.
Sixth,Love ya's, Mean it...

:D :D

Sturmtruppen
10-23-2005, 07:46 PM
touch! touch!! :lol: :lol: .


Pardon? Please explain the bodies of six million jews and countless others (homosexuals, communists, gypsys etc).

homosexuals?,they would also kill 1000ydstare! :) .

Folks,this finished,at least,search another way to attack blitz,this is getting a little unsuceful.


Hugs and Handshakes guys.

Er.www.in.com.ar

Hosenfield
10-23-2005, 10:12 PM
hmm. :? well, no one ever mentions the 17-19 million dead russian civilians of this war.

1000ydstare
10-23-2005, 11:46 PM
Erwin wrote


Hugs

OK just the one erwin.
:twisted:

Gen. Sandworm
10-24-2005, 02:29 AM
Firstly Blitz Im an American and have been on this site for sometime. You have made no valid points in my opinion and just seem to visit to piss people off. Ya know one thing we can all appreciate about Hitler is that he was a dictator. Which makes things easy when you have a problem. I try not to be but if you dont prove somekind of worth out of your garbabe .............I can play dictator if you want. Banning people is quite easy ya know. Anyhow I try not to jump to conclusions to often. Maybe my initial impression about you is wrong. But you looks like your just cluttering up my site with shit. Proud to be an American is okay...........proud to be a neo-nazi is not. So I asking you to calm down and precisely clarify some of your statements. Thanks

Topor
10-24-2005, 05:32 AM
If the UK's economy is a basket case, then that of the US is dead on its feet!
The UK has the fourth largest GNP & has been in a constant state of growth for a decade, whilst others both in Europe & the US have suffered periods of recession.

If you deny parts of the Holocaust, then please let us know which parts are untrue.

Crab_to_be
10-24-2005, 05:48 AM
We should be fair to Blitz. He hasn't actually denied any part of the holocaust, merely referred to a publication known for anti-semitic viewpoints and holocaust denial as a worthwhile and reliable source bearing more truth than mainstream sources. He has 'questioned' the holocaust, but refuses to clarify what that means. In effect, he has expressed doubts in a way that we cannot counter as he won't say what those doubts are. A straight up holocaust denier would be a far less insidious threat as there is a specific viewpoint that can be disproven.

This would be a timely opportunity for Walther to reappear. I suspect he would be of great assistance in this matter.

Blitz
10-24-2005, 09:50 AM
Gen Sandstorm, I'm not sure what you mean by tone down. I am really surprised you haven't asked the others to do so. They have been perty nasty. I try to be polite and perhaps add a little levity.I see nothing wrong with my posts. What proof do the others offer? They reject mine. Thats ok by me. If the main stream is where they get theirs,thats fine also. They are the ones who brought up race the holocaust etc. Not me . I have tried to chnge the 'tone' and subject a couple of times. They wouldn't hear of it. They ask about the 'holocaust', Will I be banned for my reply? You are in charge here,so it would be nice if you would distribute power equally. :o

Crab_to_be
10-24-2005, 10:12 AM
Perhaps entering into debate might ease tensions, rather than repeatedly posting ill thought out lies?

Gen. Sandworm
10-24-2005, 12:11 PM
. They ask about the 'holocaust', Will I be banned for my reply? You are in charge here,so it would be nice if you would distribute power equally. :o

Your free to state how your feel. But with any posts I might confer with my mods about and it and from there you could be banned. Just depends what you say. I dont want to ban anyone but I dont need some neo-nazi crap on the site. However if you are going to try and make some valid points about things go ahead. So please go ahead but as with every post it will but subject to being analyzed by the management. And BTW its Sandworm right now but can soon change to Sandstorm. :lol: JK

Anyhow proceed if you dare..........

I try and run a rather democratic site but I dont always. Just depends on the situation at the time.

2nd of foot
10-24-2005, 02:46 PM
It has taken a little time to read through this lot, but I want to go back several pages to something that has caught my eye and demonstrates a misunderstanding of British government. This is normally found with people from the US who know very little but shout very loudly. It was an extract that Firefly posted from the barnsreview and indicates that the publisher is a fool.



None of the “peace loving democracies” paid any attention to Hitler’s offer. The only reason why King Edward was not allowed to remain on the British throne was because he let it be known that as long as he was the king, England would not go to war with Germany.

The King has no power to start or stop Britain entering into war. And as most of the government of the time tried every thing it could to not go to war, it is a bit of a stupid statement. For those who are not sure what this is referring to;

King Edward wished to marry Mrs Simpson, an American divorce. As head of a church that would not let any divorced couples marry in church it would pose a problem for the King. Not only that but she was a Catholic and following one or two armed conflicts, Catholics could not sit on the throne. All this posed a number of constitutional problems that could be solved in one of three ways.

1 change the constitution
2 tell her bye bye and leave it at that
3 abdicate.

He chose to abdicate.

The same problems 70 years later have surfaced with the wedding of the Prince of Wales to Mrs Parker-Bowles. They solved the problem by getting married in a registry office. This could not have happened in the 30s.

Sturmtruppen
10-24-2005, 04:08 PM
Erwin wrote


Hugs

OK just the one erwin.
:twisted:
What do you have against hugs?,there is a different kind of hugs,one for men and men (like in football),one for girls (i reserve that,sorry mate,you cannot have it :twisted: )

Man of Stoat
10-24-2005, 04:36 PM
What proof do the others offer? They reject mine... They are the ones who brought up race the holocaust etc. Not me . I have tried to chnge the 'tone' and subject a couple of times.

Is this not sounding really, really, really familiar?

Dani
10-24-2005, 04:49 PM
Is this not sounding really, really, really familiar?

1884 electric cartridge. Look similar to anything?
:D :D

He is back?

2nd of foot
10-24-2005, 04:58 PM
Just for the hell of it I read through the Adolf Hitler - An Overlooked Candidate for the Nobel Prize. The bits about the Luftwaffe being held back from bombing London because they would obliterate it and that Churchill wanted war fail to tell you that the Luftwaffe was not capable of obliterating London or that Churchill was not in power at the start of the war. Also that Sea Lion was a no hoper, you just have to look at some of the problems that D-Day had to see that. Lots of half-truths mixed in with could bes and you can not prove. Very simple for the simple minded to believe if they have no grounding of what happened or want to believe this version.

I think that identifying and countering these sites would be a useful task. It would help people who are interested in facts and enlighten them as to what it true and what is a mix of Sun reporting and twisting of facts.


In a January 1, 1944, letter to Stalin, Churchill said: “We never thought of peace, not even in that year when we were completely isolated and could have made peace without serious detriment to the British Empire, and extensively at your cost. Why should we think of it now, when victory approaches for the three of us?”16 This is a confession even by Churchill that Hitler never did want war with England.

A good example, how does it say that Hitler never wanted war with Britain? It is telling Stalin that Britain will not make peace with Germany and leave Russia hanging.

Sturmtruppen
10-24-2005, 05:01 PM
Is this not sounding really, really, really familiar?

1884 electric cartridge. Look similar to anything?
:D :D

He is back?

Oh my god! :shock:

FluffyBunnyGB
10-24-2005, 05:32 PM
Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's

This is a direct quote from a posting Blitz made earlier in this thread.

Can someone explain to me how this is not racist?

Whether this is the return of IRONCHILD or some other fcukwit redneck I don't care. I know in my heart & soul that racists and their ilk will rot in a special circle of hell reserved just for them.

I'm ashamed to say we have political groups like the BNP in the UK. A pox on all their houses. Cancer of the rectum is too good for them.

Come the day . . . . .

pdf27
10-24-2005, 05:33 PM
He is back?
Oh my god! :shock:
If he is, he's grown at least one new brain cell - he didn't fall for my cunningly woven "M1 carbine" trap ;)

Sturmtruppen
10-24-2005, 05:45 PM
He is back?
Oh my god! :shock:
If he is, he's grown at least one new brain cell - he didn't fall for my cunningly woven "M1 carbine" trap ;)
i was talking about stoaty :lol:

Iron Yeoman
10-24-2005, 05:56 PM
I'm ashamed to say we have political groups like the BNP in the UK. A pox on all their houses. Cancer of the rectum is too good for them.


Far too good, i think regular sodomy with a red hot poker would go some way in punishing them.

As much as i hate all this neu arbiet (new labour) PC bullshit there is one good thing to come from it; equal opps, makes it far harder for racists to operate.

correction two good things, Health and safety, the mother of all excuses for getting out of stuf :lol:

edited to add correction

Dani
10-25-2005, 02:03 AM
He is back?
Oh my god! :shock:
If he is, he's grown at least one new brain cell - he didn't fall for my cunningly woven "M1 carbine" trap ;)
i was talking about stoaty :lol:

And I was joking about IRONMAN.

Edited to replace "talking" with "joking".

Firefly
10-25-2005, 06:02 AM
He is not Irn man. I think some guys have the Irn man fixation.

We will attract these type of posters from time to time, its just the nature of the beast of ww2.

What I dont think we need is for all of this, its Irn man, lets call our mates and say he is back stuff.

Let Blitz sink or swim on his own. All we have to do is politely prove his ludicrous theory wrong. We dont need to get into another circle of demanding proof and getting none. If he believes what he says, then let him prove it. If he cant, then let him be, he will get bored and find a right wing forum for his theories.

All I ask is that the MODs (where are all the MODS - except Crab and Dani & Pz, didnt we just elect a new one), anyway, all I ask is that the MODs keep a close eye on his posts.

Sturmtruppen
10-25-2005, 11:14 AM
Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's

This is a direct quote from a posting Blitz made earlier in this thread.

Can someone explain to me how this is not racist?

Whether this is the return of IRONCHILD or some other fcukwit redneck I don't care. I know in my heart & soul that racists and their ilk will rot in a special circle of hell reserved just for them.

I'm ashamed to say we have political groups like the BNP in the UK. A pox on all their houses. Cancer of the rectum is too good for them.

Come the day . . . . .
He is isn't being racist,HE IS SAYING THAT YOUR COUNTRY IS RACIST,because he said that "your country is in real bad shape with them",that means they are bad or reject them.

Ironman haven't return,you are getting on a new virtual frionpan.

Sturmtruppen
10-25-2005, 11:16 AM
He is not Irn man.
this part is well said man!,at least :roll:

BDL
10-25-2005, 12:42 PM
He is isn't being racist,HE IS SAYING THAT YOUR COUNTRY IS RACIST,because he said that "your country is in real bad shape with them",that means they are bad or reject them.

Ironman haven't return,you are getting on a new virtual frionpan.

Erwin - he is saying we are in 'a real bad way with blacks' in that we have a large number of ethnic minorities in our country, not that the country is over run with racists.

pdf27
10-25-2005, 12:50 PM
He is isn't being racist,HE IS SAYING THAT YOUR COUNTRY IS RACIST,because he said that "your country is in real bad shape with them",that means they are bad or reject them.
Erwin - he is saying we are in 'a real bad way with blacks' in that we have a large number of ethnic minorities in our country, not that the country is over run with racists.
Concur - that is the most plausible reading of that statement in English. Erwin, your interpretation is just about plausible, but few if any native English speakers would put your interpretation on it.

Blitz
10-25-2005, 07:27 PM
Everyone should be proud of their heritage and race. And why not? I have made no racial slurs. If being proud of it makes me racist, then just what heck are you? If a black said he was proud of his race, you would never have opened your mouth's. Thats a fact and you know it. You most likely have your forefathers rolling in the ground.

Topor
10-25-2005, 08:01 PM
Everyone should be proud of their heritage and race. And why not? I have made no racial slurs. If being proud of it makes me racist, then just what heck are you? If a black said he was proud of his race, you would never have opened your mouth's. Thats a fact and you know it. You most likely have your forefathers rolling in the ground.

To be proud of ones' race, one must be proud of their history & actions.

There are many occasions in recent history where caucasians have acted in a less than noble manner, as there have been in all other races histories.
I am not proud of being caucasian, nor am I sorry - I merely see my race as being what I am.
That caucasians seem to be at the top of the pile right now does NOT mean they will remain so - demography appears to favour the semitic peoples right now.

Gen. Sandworm
10-26-2005, 03:24 AM
Everyone should be proud of their heritage and race. And why not? I have made no racial slurs. If being proud of it makes me racist, then just what heck are you? If a black said he was proud of his race, you would never have opened your mouth's. Thats a fact and you know it. You most likely have your forefathers rolling in the ground.

Yes and I agree but that not exactly how you came across.

Crab_to_be
10-26-2005, 03:33 AM
And by the way fiefly (almost sounds like superfly) Are you black?Which is ok. I know your country is in real bad shape with them .The U.S.A. is catching up. Mostly with Mex's. It is not directed to whites only. (TBR)It also has black history also.Even British, Irish Russian etc. You trash what you no nothing about. What's new?At any rate, I am Proud of my (white)heritage. Thanks for your reply 'buddy' :D

There were two ways of reading this. However, when we find that Blitz has been posting material cut and pasted from Nazi websites, that suggests which of the two interpretations should be used.

Firefly
10-26-2005, 04:50 AM
So what has the white heritage got to be proud about that any other cannot be?

I dont think any particular ethnic group can claim to be better or more decent than any others.

Its when individuals claim that this is so and develop theories and followings and begin to believe in their own mumbo-jumbo that things go disasterously wrong.

Dani
10-26-2005, 04:55 AM
I merely see my race as being what I am.

It's also my point of view.

Blitz
10-26-2005, 08:53 AM
Simply tragic, It would perhaps be easier to just slit your wrists and be done with it.

Sturmtruppen
10-26-2005, 09:52 AM
I merely see my race as being what I am.

It's also my point of view.
and i see my nationality as being what i am,i am proud of it.

if somebody is proud of a race,it must be because he/she's pleased with the things that race contributed for something good.

Firefly
10-26-2005, 10:52 AM
I think you may have missed the point Erwin. Nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality, its when you say your race is the best and all others dont count or are not as human thats wrong.

Dani
10-26-2005, 12:02 PM
Your nationality is the best = You are nationalist.
Your race is the best = You are racist.

See the difference?


Edited: This post was intended for Erwin.

Blitz
10-26-2005, 02:45 PM
Again, you's guy's are putting words in my posts. I said I was proud of my heritage and race. That does not = racist . Like I said, Sad!!!!! :cry:

Firefly
10-26-2005, 02:59 PM
Again, you's guy's are putting words in my posts. I said I was proud of my heritage and race. That does not = racist . Like I said, Sad!!!!! :cry:


So please, tell us your heritage and racial achievments that make you so proud.

One of my countrymen, invented the modern road. Another TV, yet another, the phone, another one invented a steam engine, another a raincoat, one of them, penicillin. Shall I dare to go on, oh well then:

RADAR
Peter Pan
Quinine
Sulphuric acid
Modern Economics
Pneumatic Tyres
Even the decimal point

Not to mention the worlds first cloned mammal.

New Year and Whisky and also Golf.

Im proud to come from a country that produced such people. But its not unique, if we look back through history, Blacks and Chinese and Japanese and Mongolians have given us equal wonders and all contributed to human knowledge.

We all have the same brain and the same capability for thought.

Its how we as individuals apply it that counts, whether we be moslem or Scots.

Now I could be bigoted and say that for the size of my country we have probably contributed more to the modern world than the USA, it may be true, but does it really matter?




For further reading on Scotsmen and thier inventions see here:

http://www.magicdragon.com/Wallace/thingscot.html

My favourite is the adhesive postage stamp. A wonder to behold....

Topor
10-26-2005, 07:30 PM
You forgot the World's greatest muse, William McGonagall :P

Firefly
10-27-2005, 03:48 AM
You forgot the World's greatest muse, William McGonagall :P

Ah McGonagall.

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/


Still, being the worst is still a kind of honour! :lol:

2nd of foot
10-27-2005, 08:09 AM
Was he not a cat in Cats?

Sturmtruppen
10-27-2005, 11:05 AM
Your nationality is the best = You are nationalist.
Your race is the best = You are racist.

See the difference?


Edited: This post was intended for Erwin.
I have a better one:

Your nationality is great = You are nationalist (that don't means it is the best,just that it is really good)

Your race is great = You are proud about your race (pleased for being white,or black,or etc.,that means you are happy because that race has done something good or it has something good).

Sturmtruppen
10-27-2005, 11:06 AM
Again, you's guy's are putting words in my posts. I said I was proud of my heritage and race. That does not = racist . Like I said, Sad!!!!! :cry:
You didn't say that your race is the best,you just said that it is good.
Then im racist to non-germans just because i said that im proud of my german heritage?

BLUFFCOVE IS RACIST TOO THEN,BECAUSE HE SAID THAT HE IS PROUD OF HIS ANGLO-SAXON HERITAGE OR RACE.
but you ignore it.

UNFAIR.

Sturmtruppen
10-27-2005, 11:07 AM
I think you may have missed the point Erwin. Nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality, its when you say your race is the best and all others dont count or are not as human thats wrong.
HE SAID THAT HE IS PROUD OF HIS RACE,SO,ITS GOOD FOR HIM;WHEN DID HE SAY THAT IT IS THE BEST?.

FluffyBunnyGB
10-28-2005, 07:10 AM
Erwin

Given Blitz' apparent opinion of Mexicans posted earlier, do you think he would harbour particularly warm views about any other non-WASP group, such as, say, the Argentinians?

Your command of the English language is orders of magnitude better than my Spanish (dos cervezas, por favor is about my limit) but I hope you won't be offended when I suggest that my knowledge of the English language , especially it's usage and colloquial phraseology, might be better than yours.

Looking at Blitz' earlier post, I cannot see how it can be interpreted as aught but a statement that he/she feels the UK is overburdened with people of races other than white Anglo-Saxon/ Celtic.

As a British subject, living in a British town where 25% of the population is Moslem, I say I do not believe this to be true.

I lived for a number of years next to a first generation immigrant family from Pakistan, and I could not have wished for more considerate neighbours. When we do have trouble from younger people of non-white backgrounds, it is because they have adopted the chavscum attitudes of the white trash.

Those who remain focussed on study and personal betterment (black, brown, white or green) are a delight to live and work alongside.

There are oiks in every race, and to try and suggest that all blacks, asians, Jews or hispanics behave in a particular way is just foolish. I get the feeling that white supremacists are those who are in fact white trash, just looking for someone on whom they can take out their frustrations.

I have no time for them except to wish them ill health and a series of dominant genetic disorders.

Sturmtruppen
10-28-2005, 10:25 AM
i know that your english is better, but i can understand, at least, the phrase mentioned in his post.
and im afraid he cannot say something good about the anglo-saxons,i know who is he,i talked to him.

he is american, if he don't likes the mexicans, it is because they do are imigrating illegally to his country, and that isn't good for his country.
What is non-WASP?,and what is WASP?


Again, you's guy's are putting words in my posts. I said I was proud of my heritage and race. That does not = racist . Like I said, Sad!!!!!
Let's start again,he said that he is proud of his race and heritage,where is the racism?,if i say that im proud of talking spanish, then im discriminating those who talk other languages?,no.

Firefly
10-28-2005, 11:32 AM
i know that your english is better, but i can understand, at least, the phrase mentioned in his post.
and im afraid he cannot say something good about the anglo-saxons,i know who is he,i talked to him.

he is american, if he don't likes the mexicans, it is because they do are imigrating illegally to his country, and that isn't good for his country.
What is non-WASP?,and what is WASP?


Again, you's guy's are putting words in my posts. I said I was proud of my heritage and race. That does not = racist . Like I said, Sad!!!!!
Let's start again,he said that he is proud of his race and heritage,where is the racism?,if i say that im proud of talking spanish, then im discriminating those who talk other languages?,no.

No offence Ewrin, but did you visit his favoutite site?

Sturmtruppen
10-28-2005, 11:52 AM
No offence Ewrin, but did you visit his favoutite site?
you aren't offending me, and no, i did not see his favourite site.why?

Bladensburg
10-28-2005, 12:12 PM
Have a look at some of Blitz's sites and you might see what we mean...

Topor
10-28-2005, 12:50 PM
Erwin

WASP means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant

Non-WASP is all other races & beliefs.

Sturmtruppen
10-28-2005, 01:26 PM
Erwin

WASP means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant

Non-WASP is all other races & beliefs.
i do not think he likes anglo-saxon or protestants :wink: ,in fact,most of anglo-saxon have a mixture of races,influence of scots,welsh,irish,italians,arabs,etc.

Sturmtruppen
10-28-2005, 01:28 PM
Erwin

WASP means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant

Non-WASP is all other races & beliefs.
He never liked anglo saxons or protestant,as he isn't anglo saxon or protestant.
where did you invent that?,a germanic but not anglo saxon saying that the WASP are the best race :lol: ,unbelievable.

FluffyBunnyGB
10-28-2005, 02:36 PM
WASP is how white supremacists tend to describe themselves Erwin

Blitz' favourite reading seems to be pro-Nazi holocaust deniers.

As Bladensburg (?) suggested, have a lok at some of the sites Blitz suggests are serious historical research.

This is from the Barnes Review


If anyone deserved the Nobel Peace Prize, it was Adolf Hitler

What do you think a site called [removed] is likely to be about?

I had a look. it is a self-proclaimed White Nationalist website. I realise this is a stupid description, as White isn't a nation, but I have a fair idea where they are going with this.

Read some of the posts, Erwin. See if you still think Blitz is quite the innocent you believe?