The best combat Aircraft.

[Eagle]

What's the best combat aircraft? I'll put a ranking off my aircraft in service.

*1- Lockheed FA-22A Raptor (United States)
*2- Sukhoi SU-30MK (Russia)
*3- Dassault Rafale (France)
*4- Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon (Europe)
*5- Mc Donnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle (United States)
*6- Mikoyan Gurevic MiG-31 Foxhound (Russia)
*7- Mc Donnell Douglas FA-18E Super Hornet (United States)
*8- Sukhoi SU-27SKM Flanker (Russia)
*9- Lockheed F-16E Desert Falcon (United States/United Emirates)
*10- Dassault Mirage 2000-5 (France)



Are you in disagree????

[festamus]

What's the best combat aircraft? I'll put a ranking off my aircraft in service.

*1- Lockheed FA-22A Raptor (United States)
*2- Sukhoi SU-30MK (Russia)
*3- Dassault Rafale (France)
*4- Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon (Europe)
*5- Mc Donnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle (United States)
*6- Mikoyan Gurevic MiG-31 Foxhound (Russia)
*7- Mc Donnell Douglas FA-18E Super Hornet (United States)
*8- Sukhoi SU-27SKM Flanker (Russia)
*9- Lockheed F-16E Desert Falcon (United States/United Emirates)
*10- Dassault Mirage 2000-5 (France)

Are you in disagree????

I'll need to give it a lot more thought but the MiG-31 definitely doesn't belong in there for starters. F/A-22 in top spot is quite right - you throw enough money at a problem, you get the top spot. Not too sure where the Sukhoi's should rate... and the Mirage 2000-5 I'm not too sure on either but then by the time you get to tenth place it's all a little hit-and-miss.

[Bluffcove]

the Raptor is still untested in combat and according to http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-deploy.htm

The first detachment hasnt even been completed yet! (end of august 2005)
how do they get first place. what are we basing this appraisal on?

[South African Military]

At the moment we can only "expect" that the Raptor will become the best fighter in the world, considering all the develpment and money theve done. But I think the Raptor still has some flaws that they need to overcome.

[festamus]

If we restrict it in that fashion though, the list becomes very, very short and the F-15, F/A-18 and F-16 dominate and it's all rather dull.

[ww2fanatic1944]

258 million dollars for one jet?! now, i am no plane buff, but that seems very high. how can the US expect to mass produce these things?

[LargeBrew]

Possibly by subsidising domestic production by via pre orders from freindly and wealthy oil producing countries afraid of the raise of muslim fundamentalism following the invasion of Iraq

[festamus]

258 million dollars for one jet?! now, i am no plane buff, but that seems very high. how can the US expect to mass produce these things?

Heh. The quantities they are buying started out in excess of 600, but then it looked a bit pricey so they cut the numbers... so unit cost went up. Still too pricey. Cut the numbers. Unit cost went up further. I think they now want more than 300 but they might only have funding for one 180. And yes, that isn't miles away from the number of Typhoon's that the RAF wants to buy.

All the same kind of madness that meant the US Air Force ended up with 20 B-2 Spirits... at the unit cost of about $2 billion EACH.

Large development phase / low production run = Something only the US taxpayer would ever pay for.

[Firefly]

Possibly by subsidising domestic production by via pre orders from freindly and wealthy oil producing countries afraid of the raise of muslim fundamentalism following the invasion of Iraq

You been combining the skills of drinking and posting again? :lol:

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

258 million dollars for one jet?! now, i am no plane buff, but that seems very high. how can the US expect to mass produce these things?

The treasury department? :? I don't know really lol

[Firefly]

Well neither the Raptor or Typhoon are in operational servcice yet so I think we could discount them.

The Foxhound is old and dated, an interceptor based on the Foxbat.

[festamus]

Well if we're going to be realistic about the criteria, then it's between the F-15 and the F-16. The F-15 is the bigger, meaner aircraft, but the F-16 is a hell of a lot of fighter for the money.

[Bluffcove]

Well I saw this film once and I thin that the best was the one Tom Cruise flew! becasue it had 17 Missiles on it in the final dogfight, the only porblem was it had crap cd's stuck in the autochanger! and went into a flat spin this one time and like totally got p0wned!

but it did fly </Tom cruise to Kelly McGillis> Inverted <Tom Cruise to Kelly McGillis>

[Eagle]

Well neither the Raptor or Typhoon are in operational servcice yet so I think we could discount them.

The Foxhound is old and dated, an interceptor based on the Foxbat..


Although they are not in really service, they will be by the next months, so I thought it was correct to put them in my list.

Yes, de Foxhound is based on the ancient MiG-25, but the power of the MiG-31, and it capability is striking!!!

The FA-22 isn't proved yet, but the case that a raptor have stealth capability and supersonic speed without post-combustion systems makes the difference. Try to imagine, you are a pilot of an enemy. Your radar doesn't catch to the FA-22 which is behind you. You only see a missile which is aproaching in your radar... you couldn't fight to this class of beast, until a new detection system would be ready to stop the Raptor, and in the future, to the F-35, and of course, the B-2 y F-117.



Greetings from Argentina.

[BDL]

The FA-22 isn't proved yet, but the case that a raptor have stealth capability and supersonic speed without post-combustion systems makes the difference. Try to imagine, you are a pilot of an enemy. Your radar doesn't catch to the FA-22 which is behind you. You only see a missile which is aproaching in your radar... you couldn't fight to this class of beast, until a new detection system would be ready to stop the Raptor, and in the future, to the F-35, and of course, the B-2 y F-117.

The F-117 Nighthawk is supposedly invisible to radar to, but the British Rapier system can track and lock onto it. An RAF Regiment team did it at an airshow once and the Americans had a fit about it.

I wouldn't place too much faith in 'stealth' - it makes them harder to see, not invisible.

[Firefly]

Well if we're going to be realistic about the criteria, then it's between the F-15 and the F-16. The F-15 is the bigger, meaner aircraft, but the F-16 is a hell of a lot of fighter for the money.

The Su-30 may be a challenger, they have off boresight missles etc and that natty little IRST device. Oh and helmet mounten sighting.

I would probably go for the tried and tested F-15 myself though.

[Eagle]

The Su-30MK, the best fighter of Sukhoi, I think is the best aircraft in the world. I am not a russian-weapons lover, but I found to that Sukhoi, used by India and China, as the best aircraft in service.

http://www.xplanefreeware.net/~barry/X-Plane%208.0/Su-30MKI_screenshot.jpg

[Firefly]

Of course its all subjective as modern air warfare is not about individual fighters. Its about a tailored package to do the job in hand, this includes tankers and AEW aircraft as well as ECR aircraft etc.

[Sturmtruppen]

French aircrafts are great!

[Firefly]

French aircrafts are great!


Can you please back this up with a bit more info Mate, why do you like French ac, what are their special capabilities etc etc etc and why are they better than the others listed here.

Thanks

[Sturmtruppen]

French aircrafts are great!


Can you please back this up with a bit more info Mate, why do you like French ac, what are their special capabilities etc etc etc and why are they better than the others listed here.

Thanks

because the Mirage is really important for argentina and also i love all french aircrafts.

i didn't say they are special i just said i think they are great for me.

the mirage are in service in argentina a good time ago.

Regards

Erwin

[DerMann]

My favorite combat plane is the A-10 "Warthog". If I do end up joining the Air Force that will be the plane I'd like to fly. Basically a flying tank, and it's almost impervious to small arms fire.

That too, and the 30mm GAU 8 is just pure power. With that thing, you don't need expensive missiles to complete your objective.

[Firefly]

My favorite combat plane is the A-10 "Warthog". If I do end up joining the Air Force that will be the plane I'd like to fly. Basically a flying tank, and it's almost impervious to small arms fire.

That too, and the 30mm GAU 8 is just pure power. With that thing, you don't need expensive missiles to complete your objective.

That is an awesome aircraft indeed. Though somewhat outdated. I know two guys who flew it and they are full of praise for it.

[Eagle]

Erwin, the french aircrafts are excellent. Dassault is the one of the best aircraft factories all over the world, with Boeing, Lockheed, Sukhoi, British Aerospace, Saab, etc.
But the Argentine Mirage III and Mirage V Maras are ancient systems, they need to be substituted.

Te dejo unas fotos de lo mejor de los Dassault franceses, haber qué te parecen jejeje...

http://grip.inc.free.fr/Dassault_Rafale-4.jpg
Dassault Rafale, el mejor caza construído en Europa hasta el momento...

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mirage/images/mirage2000_2.jpg
Dassault Mirage 2000, el mejor Mirage de la historia, eje de la Fuerza Aérea Francesa, o como la llaman ellos, el Ejército del Aire (Armée d'l Air). Una belleza el "delta"

http://passionavionsdechasse.ifrance.com/photos/sem/sem65.jpg
Dassault Super Etendard Modernisée. Este ave es similar a nuestro querido SUE, pero con mejoras en aviónica, radar y armamento...


I am sorry about the spanish language used, but Erwin was interested in them.


About the A-10 "Thunderbolt", I know is the best CAS aircraft all over the war, it cannon is terrible to the enemy... but I was talking about fighter aircrafts specially...