WHO's the next World Power???

[Commando Jordovski]

There has been rumours that theres a contest between China and India!! to compete in becoming the next dominant World Power!
I could believe China could be a threat to u.s.a losing their place of being the world police but when i heard India, i thought it was proposterous, but even with indias poverty it is quite a populized country and powerful, they are just being secret about it while the whole world can see that China is expanding rapidly.

[Fuchs66]

Well everyone knows it would have to be:

Yorkshire :lol:

although the Chinese could come a close second :wink:

[Dani]

United Europe :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fuchs66]

United Europe :lol: :lol: :lol:

never happen as long as the French are here :wink:

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

United Europe :lol: :lol: :lol:

never happen as long as the French are here :wink:

LOL :lol: , but the USA will remain the world power, India is more of a 3rd World Country, and China, well they have a serious overpopulation problem. SO USA WOO HOO!! :D Btw we have the most mobile and best trained Army, Airforce and Marine Corps in the World. Our Navy is only second to Britan but thats because they are an island so they better have a good navy!! :D

[Dani]

United Europe :lol: :lol: :lol:
never happen as long as the French are here :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[temujin77]

Is China really an "empire"?

I'm not saying yes or no, I see arguments for each. I'm just raising that question because I saw that question being debated in a Chinese history forum only a few months ago.

[FW-190 Pilot]

where is Russia?
where is canada?
where is Iraq? :wink:

[Gen. Sandworm]

where is Russia?
where is canada?
where is Iraq? :wink:

K Russia will probably be around again but for now they are just taking break.

CANADA ???..........well i love our neighbors to the north but I dont really see Canada as a superpower.

Iraq...........uh.............I think they have enough going on at the moment. Isnt there somekind of requirement for being a superpower that involves having towns and cities composed of somewhat complete houses? Notice i said "somewhat complete" coz lord knows that there are parts of Iraq that look ten times better than some places in the US. And we havent had a war here since 1812. :?

[FW-190 Pilot]

where is Russia?
where is canada?
where is Iraq? :wink:

K Russia will probably be around again but for now they are just taking break.

CANADA ???..........well i love our neighbors to the north but I dont really see Canada as a superpower.

Iraq...........uh.............I think they have enough going on at the moment. Isnt there somekind of requirement for being a superpower that involves having towns and cities composed of somewhat complete houses? Notice i said "somewhat complete" coz lord knows that there are parts of Iraq that look ten times better than some places in the US. And we havent had a war here since 1812. :?
i thought its obvious that it is a joke, i guess its not then :?
haha

[South African Military]

Hey! have you been forgetting South Africa? With our good alliance with our lovely friends Fidel Castro of Cuba, and Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe we can...er can.... can.. ill come back to you.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Hey! have you been forgetting South Africa? With our good alliance with our lovely friends Fidel Castro of Cuba, and Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe we can...er can.... can.. ill come back to you.

Yea you keep working on that. In the mean time ................ im up to no good. :D

[Firefly]

For me it will be China. There is a truly worrying situation developing right now.

The Chinese are expanding at a huge rate. Look at absolutely anythin you have bought in the last 3 years and it will nearly always say - made or assembled in China.

To drive this China needs fuel. Mainly oil, and they get that from the same places we do. This has been pushing the price of oil up more than any war in Iraq.

The Chinese have a massive trade credit with the US and the Chinese government has been buying US Bonds with that credit, so much so that they now own a substantial amount (memory fails me, but it may be as much as 1/4). This is a huge sum and as the US is already in debt, the cashing in of those Bonds could do as much, if not more damage than the Crash back in the 30's.

So you dont have to have Armed Forces to be a power in todays world.

[South African Military]

So you dont have to have Armed Forces to be a power in todays world.

True, but in the case of China, they have that too! :)

[Commando Jordovski]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

[Commando Jordovski]

But while im living GOD BLESS AUSTRALIA.

[Man of Stoat]

WHO's the next world power?

I knew that the World Health Organisation was powerful & influential, but I never saw them as a major world power ;)

[Cuts]

Clever bugger !

[pdf27]

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.
I wouldn't. For all their faults, the Americans are much better for the world in general than any alternative hegemon would be.
Oh, and of the two choices in the poll I sincerely hope it will be India. They've got a hell of a lot of problems but for all that they are a parliamentary democracy who govern on behalf of the people. China doesn't count as either, yet they are trying to introduce economic freedoms. That to me is a recipe for internal unrest, which could really put a lid on the current Chinese boom.

[Gen. Sandworm]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

While I do agree with what you say...........you really dont have to be a dick about it. I didnt laugh my ass off when your country went to shit. And oh yea I guess its still there. :wink:

[Firefly]

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.
I wouldn't. For all their faults, the Americans are much better for the world in general than any alternative hegemon would be.
Oh, and of the two choices in the poll I sincerely hope it will be India. They've got a hell of a lot of problems but for all that they are a parliamentary democracy who govern on behalf of the people. China doesn't count as either, yet they are trying to introduce economic freedoms. That to me is a recipe for internal unrest, which could really put a lid on the current Chinese boom.


I agree with the above, and after all its better the Devil you know :twisted:

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

Sooner or later, the Americans might lose their place as the World Police, but the US in most suited for the job. And I agree with General Sandworm, as much as you may like to see the US's power crumble, you dont have to be a ass about it.

[Commando Jordovski]

True, but it is fustrating when america thinks they will never fall and live on for ever. I've had my goods and my bads about the USA, but in the end they arent so bad, so i apologize heh heh :D

[Commando Jordovski]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

While I do agree with what you say...........you really dont have to be a dick about it. I didnt laugh my ass off when your country went to shit. And oh yea I guess its still there. :wink:

Sorry, Gen. sandworm but i didn't understand what you ment by that comment "your country went to shit" ....what the hell.

[Sturmtruppen]

INDIA :lol: :lol: ,i don´t see them as a power.
When we talk about the fall of the usa,don´t forget the friends of usa!!! (those countries who always help usa).

China is a sleeping world power,if they get up,nobody will stop them!.

I think brasil can be a world power in a future,but,i dk if they have or not the nuclear technology (you don´t have nukes=you can´t be a world power)

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

China is a sleeping world power,if they get up,nobody will stop them!.

If they get up, the US will kick their ass! :D

[pdf27]

I think brasil can be a world power in a future,but,i dk if they have or not the nuclear technology (you don´t have nukes=you can´t be a world power)
They've been trying to get nukes for years, but always back off when they think anyone has spotted anything. The real giveaway is the Brazillian "Space Programme" - horribly unreliable and more expensive than off-the-shelf Russian rockets, but they're continuing with it. Space rockets and ICBMs are of course basically identical in all but a few minor details. Brazil also has several nuclear power stations to provide the required fissile material.

[Walther]

Any industrialised European country, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan can have nukes within a few weeks if they set their minds to it. All of these countries have the technological base, nuclear power stations to get the material from and the respective scientific and engineering staff.

Jan

[Gen. Sandworm]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

While I do agree with what you say...........you really dont have to be a dick about it. I didnt laugh my ass off when your country went to shit. And oh yea I guess its still there. :wink:

Sorry, Gen. sandworm but i didn't understand what you ment by that comment "your country went to shit" ....what the hell.

I was simply stating that I didnt like your comment. I did not jump for joy and glue my face to the TV waiting to see upset Soviets when the USSR was falling apart. I mean seriously what the hell did the US ever do to the USSR. We didnt get along. So what. We had different views of the world. So many times the US and the USSR almost destroyed the entire world and for what. I didnt rejoice when they feel apart but was finally glad the retarded cold war was pretty much over. The US will fall apart someday down the line thats just how it is. But I dont welcome that to any country. I just think thats a really sad statement you made. If you want to see the look of the distraught why dont you take a trip to Rwanda or something. Take a look at some pics of the people in gulags of your former USSR. Take a look at holocaust pics. Take a look of the things the KKK did to African Americans in the US. Sorry but pain in people's faces is not something I think normal people look for.

Sorry if I sound like a dick but I was rather offended by your comment and I know you have apologized. Ill apologize for saying your country went to shit. Lets just drop the issue. I just wanted to express to you why I said it. Basically I was pissed. Anyhow lets move on and just forget the matter.

[Sturmtruppen]

if usa falls,then,israel and united kingdom will fall,and,if usa falls,china grows,but i don´t think usa is going to fall,and if that happens,i don´t think i will live for telling that....at least i don´t want to see a new world power.

India can be an empire?,really?,it´s the funniest thing i heards,uruguay,chile and zimbabwe are going to be empires too :lol:

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

India can be an empire?,really?,it´s the funniest thing i heards,uruguay,chile and zimbabwe are going to be empires too :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: appologies to anyone from those countries but its pretty funny :lol:

[Sturmtruppen]

India can be an empire?,really?,it´s the funniest thing i heards,uruguay,chile and zimbabwe are going to be empires too :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: appologies to anyone from those countries but its pretty funny :lol:
yes,apologies to those countries (except one of them :twisted: )

[Commando Jordovski]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

While I do agree with what you say...........you really dont have to be a dick about it. I didnt laugh my ass off when your country went to shit. And oh yea I guess its still there. :wink:

Sorry, Gen. sandworm but i didn't understand what you ment by that comment "your country went to shit" ....what the hell.

I was simply stating that I didnt like your comment. I did not jump for joy and glue my face to the TV waiting to see upset Soviets when the USSR was falling apart. I mean seriously what the hell did the US ever do to the USSR. We didnt get along. So what. We had different views of the world. So many times the US and the USSR almost destroyed the entire world and for what. I didnt rejoice when they feel apart but was finally glad the retarded cold war was pretty much over. The US will fall apart someday down the line thats just how it is. But I dont welcome that to any country. I just think thats a really sad statement you made. If you want to see the look of the distraught why dont you take a trip to Rwanda or something. Take a look at some pics of the people in gulags of your former USSR. Take a look at holocaust pics. Take a look of the things the KKK did to African Americans in the US. Sorry but pain in people's faces is not something I think normal people look for.

Sorry if I sound like a dick but I was rather offended by your comment and I know you have apologized. Ill apologize for saying your country went to shit. Lets just drop the issue. I just wanted to express to you why I said it. Basically I was pissed. Anyhow lets move on and just forget the matter.

Well...first of all i accept your apoloy and in the future i will and you should think before you speak.
8)
I was greatly offended when you called my country "shit", because i am a proud member of Australia, and i would think the same of you that you lvoed your homeland hey ?

[pdf27]

if usa falls,then,israel and united kingdom will fall
Errr... what? Even with no military assistance from the US, the UK would be the most powerful country in Europe and one of the most powerful worldwide. I don't see how your statment works.

[BDL]

if usa falls,then,israel and united kingdom will fall
Errr... what? Even with no military assistance from the US, the UK would be the most powerful country in Europe and one of the most powerful worldwide. I don't see how your statment works.

Was about to post that myself - Israel might have problems with their neighbours without US backing, but Britain would go on as we are now.

[Sturmtruppen]

well,israel will fall BEFORE usa falls,if they neighboors get up,of course.

[Tubbyboy]

WHO's the next world power?

I knew that the World Health Organisation was powerful & influential, but I never saw them as a major world power ;)

You barsteward, I have been away for a few days and was going to post exactly the same thing when I saw the title, then I thought I'd better check the other pages...

If it wasn't for you pesky meddling kids!

:lol: :lol: though.



Edited? for g'rammmer; and, s'peeel'ng"!

[Sturmtruppen]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

While I do agree with what you say...........you really dont have to be a dick about it. I didnt laugh my ass off when your country went to shit. And oh yea I guess its still there. :wink:

Sorry, Gen. sandworm but i didn't understand what you ment by that comment "your country went to shit" ....what the hell.

I was simply stating that I didnt like your comment. I did not jump for joy and glue my face to the TV waiting to see upset Soviets when the USSR was falling apart. I mean seriously what the hell did the US ever do to the USSR. We didnt get along. So what. We had different views of the world. So many times the US and the USSR almost destroyed the entire world and for what. I didnt rejoice when they feel apart but was finally glad the retarded cold war was pretty much over. The US will fall apart someday down the line thats just how it is. But I dont welcome that to any country. I just think thats a really sad statement you made. If you want to see the look of the distraught why dont you take a trip to Rwanda or something. Take a look at some pics of the people in gulags of your former USSR. Take a look at holocaust pics. Take a look of the things the KKK did to African Americans in the US. Sorry but pain in people's faces is not something I think normal people look for.

Sorry if I sound like a dick but I was rather offended by your comment and I know you have apologized. Ill apologize for saying your country went to shit. Lets just drop the issue. I just wanted to express to you why I said it. Basically I was pissed. Anyhow lets move on and just forget the matter.

Well...first of all i accept your apoloy and in the future i will and you should think before you speak.
8)
I was greatly offended when you called my country "shit", because i am a proud member of Australia, and i would think the same of you that you lvoed your homeland hey ?
Well,i don´t have nothing against a country (except one who limits with us :twisted: )
but,i love to see the crying horror faces of the aussies when david nalbaldian kicked leyton hewitt ASS. :lol: :lol: :lol: .
When hewitt said "COME ON!" and then,an argentinian replied with a poster "COME ON LAS PELOTAS!" (las pelotas means the balls)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i don´t have nothing against australia but i hate hewitt because he´s a mother fucker.

[Hanz Lutz]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[american sniper]

it shall be astralia...mabey not

do yall thank astralia could ever be a world power

[Hanz Lutz]

Australia wil never have a power army.

[Sturmtruppen]

Australia wil never have a power army.if anybody tells : but australia can have nukes or something like that.
i reply:
USA has a defence sistem for blocking the effect of nuclear bombs,larouge worked in that.
so,trash the nukes.

[Hanz Lutz]

USA have a perfect system of defense.

[Cuts]

USA have a perfect system of defense.


:shock: :? :roll: :) :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sturmtruppen]

USA have a perfect system of defense.


:shock: :? :roll: :) :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

cuts,clauss is right

[Commando Jordovski]

The romans had their time, the Russians had their time, The british had their time... of of being the World Power for a Certain period of Time, BUT, it doesn't last forever, U.S.A will eventually collapse or be overthrown by another country which IS inevitable...its just a matter of time.

I would love to see the look on the Americans faces when their country loses power and the world turns their attention to another country.

While I do agree with what you say...........you really dont have to be a dick about it. I didnt laugh my ass off when your country went to shit. And oh yea I guess its still there. :wink:

Sorry, Gen. sandworm but i didn't understand what you ment by that comment "your country went to shit" ....what the hell.

I was simply stating that I didnt like your comment. I did not jump for joy and glue my face to the TV waiting to see upset Soviets when the USSR was falling apart. I mean seriously what the hell did the US ever do to the USSR. We didnt get along. So what. We had different views of the world. So many times the US and the USSR almost destroyed the entire world and for what. I didnt rejoice when they feel apart but was finally glad the retarded cold war was pretty much over. The US will fall apart someday down the line thats just how it is. But I dont welcome that to any country. I just think thats a really sad statement you made. If you want to see the look of the distraught why dont you take a trip to Rwanda or something. Take a look at some pics of the people in gulags of your former USSR. Take a look at holocaust pics. Take a look of the things the KKK did to African Americans in the US. Sorry but pain in people's faces is not something I think normal people look for.

Sorry if I sound like a dick but I was rather offended by your comment and I know you have apologized. Ill apologize for saying your country went to shit. Lets just drop the issue. I just wanted to express to you why I said it. Basically I was pissed. Anyhow lets move on and just forget the matter.

Well...first of all i accept your apoloy and in the future i will and you should think before you speak.
8)
I was greatly offended when you called my country "shit", because i am a proud member of Australia, and i would think the same of you that you lvoed your homeland hey ?
Well,i don´t have nothing against a country (except one who limits with us :twisted: )
but,i love to see the crying horror faces of the aussies when david nalbaldian kicked leyton hewitt ASS. :lol: :lol: :lol: .
When hewitt said "COME ON!" and then,an argentinian replied with a poster "COME ON LAS PELOTAS!" (las pelotas means the balls)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i don´t have nothing against australia but i hate hewitt because he´s a mother fucker.

Haha hewitt, well that makes two of us mate. 8) :P

[Commando Jordovski]

Australia wil never have a power army.

never say never, we are an expanding country, but in all fairness, yes australia is quite weak.

[Commando Jordovski]

By the way, who voted India for the next world power in the poll?,
does anyone know ? :)

[Sturmtruppen]

Australia wil never have a power army.

never say never, we are an expanding country, but in all fairness, yes australia is quite weak.
i dk about the army,but australia is a big island,and far in distance to the world power,so,if the make military technology,bombs,and a great navy,they can easily protect their country,they just need to distribute more the population and like i said,upgrade their navy and military technology capacity.

it´s relative easy to protect a distanced country,island,and with good demographic level.

[pdf27]

By the way, who voted India for the next world power in the poll?,
does anyone know ? :)
I did for a start...

[Hanz Lutz]

India wil never have a military power .

[Dani]

India wil never have a military power .
:lol: They have military power, mate. For nukes (for example) you could consider as a useful reading the following links:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/India/IndiaNPower.html

[Hanz Lutz]

All most every county have a good system of defense ,india have a nukes ,but they don't have a good army ,I think that is importnant.

[Firefly]

All most every county have a good system of defense ,india have a nukes ,but they don't have a good army ,I think that is importnant.

What makes your think that India does not have a good Army?

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Orbat.html

[Hanz Lutz]

Their equimpent is old ,and guns so .If I in wrong please tell me and I change my opinion.

[Dani]

Quoted from Firefly's link:
T-90S MBTs are currently being delivered to replace the older tanks.

Quoted from http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t90/
The T-90S is the latest development in the T-series of Russian tanks and represents an increase in firepower, mobility and protection. It is manufactured by Nizhnyi Tagil of the Russian Federation.
The T-90S is in service with the Russian Army and the Indian Army. In February 2001, the Indian Army signed a contract for 310 T-90S tanks. 124 were completed in Russia and the rest are being delivered in "knocked down/semi-knocked down" form for final assembly in India. The first of these was delivered in January 2004. The locally-assembled tanks are christened "Bhishma". The tanks are fitted with the Shtora self-protection system and thermal imagers from Thales of France and Peleng of Belarus.
In January 2005, it was announced that a further 91 T-90S tanks would be procured for the Russian Army.
End quote.

Do you still think that T90 MBT is an old equipment? What about M1A2 then? :lol:

[Firefly]

Their equimpent is old ,and guns so .If I in wrong please tell me and I change my opinion.

Arent those same old guns still capable of firing? The M14 can be said to be old cant it? I wouldnt just write of a 900,000 regular force because they use older equipment. Many of their systems, especially in the Air Force have been updated. They also have a martial spirit and proud history. I bet the USA wouldnt defeat them in 36 hours!

[Dani]

They also have a martial spirit and proud history. i bet the USA wouldnt defeat them in 36 hours!

True words Firefly!

[pdf27]

Their equimpent is old ,and guns so .If I in wrong please tell me and I change my opinion.
Why not actually learn something about it rather than changing your opinion based on unsupported statements by random people on the internet?
Some of the Indian equipment may be old, but much of the kit the Chinese have is similarly (if not more so) archaic. Furthermore, the Indians have a long history of fighting and winning wars. It was an Indian army that crushed the Japanese in Burma, and they have kept in practice in Pakistan, Kashmir and the like. Oh average, I'd have to say that the Indian troops are better trained and have better doctrine/history supporting them, and generally better kit too.

[Firefly]

All most every county have a good system of defense ,india have a nukes ,but they don't have a good army ,I think that is importnant.

OK, instead of a bland statement, what in your opinion makes the Indian army not good?

Apart from the Nukes.

[Man of Stoat]

Old wpns? INSAS is not old:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as67-e.htm

As pdf says: Why not actually learn something about it rather than changing your opinion based on unsupported statements by random people on the internet?

[reiver]

Their equimpent is old ,and guns so .If I in wrong please tell me and I change my opinion.
Why not actually learn something about it rather than changing your opinion based on unsupported statements by random people on the internet?
Some of the Indian equipment may be old, but much of the kit the Chinese have is similarly (if not more so) archaic. Furthermore, the Indians have a long history of fighting and winning wars. It was an Indian army that crushed the Japanese in Burma, and they have kept in practice in Pakistan, Kashmir and the like. Oh average, I'd have to say that the Indian troops are better trained and have better doctrine/history supporting them, and generally better kit too.

Quite right.
The Indian sub-continent is home to some of the most martial races on the planet, Sikhs, Dogras, Rajputs, Jats etc. and not forgetting the Gorkhas.
Their performance in the past, in both world wars and in Kashmir etc since, suggest they would be no pushover.

[Hanz Lutz]

Ok

[student-scaley]

Furthermore when talking about armies having old kit let's not forget that the mujahdeen beat the soviets with ancient kit.

[Hanz Lutz]

Afganistan is'n it 1989.

[Man of Stoat]

Afganistan is'n it 1989.

1979-1989

(google is more efficient than asking bone questions)...

[Hanz Lutz]

sir ,yes sir :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Commando Jordovski]

They also have a martial spirit and proud history. i bet the USA wouldnt defeat them in 36 hours!

True words Firefly!

With all respect Firefly, the U.S.A after 4 years is still trying to conquer Iraq, they wouldnt defeat India in 36 hours..........

[Firefly]

They also have a martial spirit and proud history. i bet the USA wouldnt defeat them in 36 hours!

True words Firefly!

With all respect Firefly, the U.S.A after 4 years is still trying to conquer Iraq, they wouldnt defeat India in 36 hours..........

Thats what I said isn't it?

[StalingradK]

Canada is a lover.
Iraq is in ruins.
India is 8) .
China is :( .
Russia is gangsta.
France is cheesey.
Britain is rainy.
Germany is shallow.
America is cocky.
Mexico is America's bitch.
Italy has pasta.

Which one wins?
America, the Pimp always wins...

But really people, the next World Power would probably be India, everyone says India is like just villages and shacks, but India in fact has the most technologically advanced cities in the World, if you ask me India will become ruler of all, and India is starting to make China its bitch, and if India becomes pimpin OH LORDY 'specially with China :P

[South African Military]

India has done allot with computer technology and stuffff. Smart blokes.

[Sturmtruppen]

Canada is a lover.
Iraq is in ruins.
India is 8) .
China is :( .
Russia is gangsta.
France is cheesey.
Britain is rainy.
Germany is shallow.
America is cocky.
Mexico is America's bitch.
Italy has pasta.

Which one wins?
America, the Pimp always wins...

But really people, the next World Power would probably be India, everyone says India is like just villages and shacks, but India in fact has the most technologically advanced cities in the World, if you ask me India will become ruler of all, and India is starting to make China its bitch, and if India becomes pimpin OH LORDY 'specially with China :P

:lol:
i tihnk america will be still empire

[South African Military]

Canada is a lover.
Iraq is in ruins.
India is 8) .
China is :( .
Russia is gangsta.
France is cheesey.
Britain is rainy.
Germany is shallow.
America is cocky.
Mexico is America's bitch.
Italy has pasta.

Which one wins?
America, the Pimp always wins...

But really people, the next World Power would probably be India, everyone says India is like just villages and shacks, but India in fact has the most technologically advanced cities in the World, if you ask me India will become ruler of all, and India is starting to make China its bitch, and if India becomes pimpin OH LORDY 'specially with China :P

:lol:
i tihnk america will be still empire

Has America ever been an empire ?

[StalingradK]

Nope, we are too cool for that... And we don't have a country that you can drive through going East to West in under 3 hours unlike most European countries, Notice in history that the huge countries never expanded their land.

[Sturmtruppen]

SAM,it´s bloody obvious,usa is america,usa is an empire,the empire.they are the power of the world,we walk around usa.

[StalingradK]

America is an Empire, or foods and people...

[Bluffcove]

Are we keeping this purely military, in reference to world power?
The economic power of the European states - not a single nation but a world power nevertheless has yet to be realised.

Japan as an economic power is presently underming alot of the markets that the USA used to rely on.

As a Military power India has been booming economically whilst still running wars on two of its northern borders, War will normally create depression for the agressor but not in Indias case.

and if a War were ever to occur between the Chinese and America, after the mutual destruction of one anothers forces I would not be surprised if it was China that got back to its feet most keenly consistently.

can we have some defining characteristcs for "world power" so that we can evaluate this porperly - It is evident in this forum who asks questions to find answers and who asks questions to bless the world with their opinions!!!

[StalingradK]

Well said

[Hosenfield]

Are we keeping this purely military, in reference to world power?
The economic power of the European states - not a single nation but a world power nevertheless has yet to be realised.

Japan as an economic power is presently underming alot of the markets that the USA used to rely on.

As a Military power India has been booming economically whilst still running wars on two of its northern borders, War will normally create depression for the agressor but not in Indias case.

and if a War were ever to occur between the Chinese and America, after the mutual destruction of one anothers forces I would not be surprised if it was China that got back to its feet most keenly consistently.

can we have some defining characteristcs for "world power" so that we can evaluate this porperly - It is evident in this forum who asks questions to find answers and who asks questions to bless the world with their opinions!!!

while china is certainy an economic powerhouse now, its also a military weakling. its nuclear arsenel is far inferior to america's and it has a no offensive navy. its airforce is poorly trained and fly old aircraft. chinese technology have not yet reached western standards. china relies on copying other technologies/ reverse engineering or simply buying stuff from russia.

the only advantage is the fabulously enormous population, which would provide an endless amount of fodder for a ground war. i believe many of china's army divisions aren't even motorized!!!!!

[Hanz Lutz]

No you are wrong

The People's Liberation Army Air Force is the largest military air force in the world with over 6,000 military airplanes and over 300,000 active personnel. The new PLAAF is updating its inventory of MiG-21 and MiG-19 copies with planned purchases of the advanced Russian made Sukhoi SU-27 FLANKER series and the newly developed J-10 strike fighter.

http://www.softwar.net/FC1.JPG

J-10 STRIKE FIGHTER

http://www.softwar.net/J10A.GIF

SU-30 STRIKE FIGHTER


http://www.softwar.net/SU30.JPG


Do you think then this is not good ,lool this
http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html

[Hosenfield]

No you are wrong

The People's Liberation Army Air Force is the largest military air force in the world with over 6,000 military airplanes and over 300,000 active personnel. The new PLAAF is updating its inventory of MiG-21 and MiG-19 copies with planned purchases of the advanced Russian made Sukhoi SU-27 FLANKER series and the newly developed J-10 strike fighter.

http://www.softwar.net/FC1.JPG

J-10 STRIKE FIGHTER

http://www.softwar.net/J10A.GIF

SU-30 STRIKE FIGHTER


http://www.softwar.net/SU30.JPG


Do you think then this is not good ,lool this
http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html

numbers don't mean that much when a us f-22 carries 6 missles and shoots down 1 chinaman for each missle.

out of all the outdated migs, a minority are modern su-27 flankers and su-30s

[Bluffcove]

Who exactly said that the Chinese miltary was inferior?
Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

Im not sure of the details but......there was "that fire" at the Chinese nuclear plant a few years back it was the Chinese that had to tell the Americans that it was a nuclear plant and not a Chemical refinery. We are slowly becoming more and more aware of the deficits in Western Intelligence.

Bacofoil Bowler firmly in place because im a bastard!

[Hanz Lutz]

You are also tell then chinese have poor army and old tanks and plains

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is the world’s largest armed force with a total strength of 2.5 million men and women serving in four arms—ground forces, air force, navy, and strategic missile force. The ground forces along total some 2 million troops and support personnel, or 80% of the PLA’s total manpower. This force also deploys 8,000 tanks, 4,000 armoured vehicles, and 25,000 artillery guns and multiple rocket launchers (MRLs). In time of crisis, this force can be reinforced by a large reserve-militia force numbering more than 1.5 million personnel and the one-million-man People's Armed Police (PAP).

The structure of the PLA ground force before the mid-1980s reflected operational concepts which envision large numbers of divisions being employed in conjunction with vast paramilitary forces in the defence of China against an all-out attack. The force predominantly consisted of lightly equipped infantry soldiers, supported by tank, artillery, anti-tank, antiaircraft, and engineer units. Their organisations, doctrines and training copied Soviet models.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights1.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights4.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights2.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/default.asp

[Hosenfield]

You are also tell then chinese have poor army and old tanks and plains

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is the world’s largest armed force with a total strength of 2.5 million men and women serving in four arms—ground forces, air force, navy, and strategic missile force. The ground forces along total some 2 million troops and support personnel, or 80% of the PLA’s total manpower. This force also deploys 8,000 tanks, 4,000 armoured vehicles, and 25,000 artillery guns and multiple rocket launchers (MRLs). In time of crisis, this force can be reinforced by a large reserve-militia force numbering more than 1.5 million personnel and the one-million-man People's Armed Police (PAP).

The structure of the PLA ground force before the mid-1980s reflected operational concepts which envision large numbers of divisions being employed in conjunction with vast paramilitary forces in the defence of China against an all-out attack. The force predominantly consisted of lightly equipped infantry soldiers, supported by tank, artillery, anti-tank, antiaircraft, and engineer units. Their organisations, doctrines and training copied Soviet models.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights1.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights4.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights2.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/default.asp

yep, i am also saying that. their professional army core isn't very large. the vast majoity are peasant conscripts/volunteers that do a couple year's service and leave.

their tanks are obsolete compared to the m1 abrams, leoperd II, and the challenger.

of course, fighting such a large population would be vastly difficult and close to impossible to conquer.
but china doesn't have the ability to project her power.

[Hanz Lutz]

You are also tell then chinese have poor army and old tanks and plains

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is the world’s largest armed force with a total strength of 2.5 million men and women serving in four arms—ground forces, air force, navy, and strategic missile force. The ground forces along total some 2 million troops and support personnel, or 80% of the PLA’s total manpower. This force also deploys 8,000 tanks, 4,000 armoured vehicles, and 25,000 artillery guns and multiple rocket launchers (MRLs). In time of crisis, this force can be reinforced by a large reserve-militia force numbering more than 1.5 million personnel and the one-million-man People's Armed Police (PAP).

The structure of the PLA ground force before the mid-1980s reflected operational concepts which envision large numbers of divisions being employed in conjunction with vast paramilitary forces in the defence of China against an all-out attack. The force predominantly consisted of lightly equipped infantry soldiers, supported by tank, artillery, anti-tank, antiaircraft, and engineer units. Their organisations, doctrines and training copied Soviet models.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights1.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights4.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/highlights2.jpg

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/default.asp

yep, i am also saying that. their professional army core isn't very large. the vast majoity are peasant conscripts/volunteers that do a couple year's service and leave.

their tanks are obsolete compared to the m1 abrams, leoperd II, and the challenger.

of course, fighting such a large population would be vastly difficult and close to impossible to conquer.
but china doesn't have the ability to project her power.

Yes you are right in there ,maybe not for 5 years but for 10 or 20 years china will be power country they power now ,they have nukes ,they send rocket in space ,and :lol: :lol: :lol: which countru can fight against 2.5 millions soldiers :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bluffcove]

this is heading to a "what if" thread

[reiver]

Nope, we are too cool for that... And we don't have a country that you can drive through going East to West in under 3 hours unlike most European countries, Notice in history that the huge countries never expanded their land.

Well, let's see.
In 1776 you had 13 "states", sovereign nations if you like.
By the 1960's you had 50.
I'd call that pretty expansionist, wouldnt you?
And that's without considering those places which have been under American rule previously, such as Puerto Rico and the Phillipines etc.
As for huge countries not expanding their territories, Tibet might give you an argument on that score (China), not to mention Uzbekistan, and several eastern European countries, now ex-Soviet satellites.

[Firefly]

No you are wrong

The People's Liberation Army Air Force is the largest military air force in the world with over 6,000 military airplanes and over 300,000 active personnel. The new PLAAF is updating its inventory of MiG-21 and MiG-19 copies with planned purchases of the advanced Russian made Sukhoi SU-27 FLANKER series and the newly developed J-10 strike fighter.

image removed

J-10 STRIKE FIGHTER

image removed

Do you think then this is not good ,lool this
http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html

numbers don't mean that much when a us f-22 carries 6 missles and shoots down 1 chinaman for each missle.

out of all the outdated migs, a minority are modern su-27 flankers and su-30s

What US F-22? How many are there in service? Er none. Please dont assume that because we dominated the air war in the Gulf that it will always be so.

[pdf27]

of course, fighting such a large population would be vastly difficult and close to impossible to conquer.
but china doesn't have the ability to project her power.
China has nuclear weapons, therefore it is immune from conquest. It can be destroyed (roughly 10% of the US arsenal would kill 90% of the Chinese population, virtually all of their industry and destroy China as a society - what grew back would not be Chinese in any recognisable way).
The same is true for all nuclear powers - they can be destroyed, but not defeated.

[Bluffcove]

Surely this all depends on where and how the battle is fought?

if it is a break through the Border in Korea it will be very different to if it is a Volley for Volley exchange between ICBM batteries on opposing sides of the Pacific.

can we have some Clarifying terms?

[pdf27]

Surely this all depends on where and how the battle is fought?
if it is a break through the Border in Korea it will be very different to if it is a Volley for Volley exchange between ICBM batteries on opposing sides of the Pacific.
can we have some Clarifying terms?
I'm not saying it will turn nuclear, just that it would turn nuclear at some stage before China was occupied. That rather limits you to either border skirmishing (and yes a hot war in Korea would count as this, at least to China) or a full-blown nuclear laydown. What you have in between (world war/Napoleonic type) is what is ruled out by the possession of nuclear weapons.

[Bluffcove]

But surely a War with China would not involve occupation of one anothers territory, what possible advantage is there to us having the RGBW dashing about around Beijing when a victory cuold be just as convincing without hte presenceo of ground troops.

Cant we have a nice "cold war" scenario where we play out our global power struggle in some smaller places, i.e. Korea, Taiwan, etc etc

A ground war ultimately serves as a means to destory one anothers forces and leave a victor, but contests for "valued ground" are becoming fewer and fewer. Belgium is not exactly a valuable nation (apologies :oops: ) but it has provided a great venue for some wars over a great many years.

[pdf27]

A ground war ultimately serves as a means to destory one anothers forces and leave a victor, but contests for "valued ground" are becoming fewer and fewer. Belgium is not exactly a valuable nation (apologies :oops: ) but it has provided a great venue for some wars over a great many years.
What I was referring to was the difference between a war that destroys an army but leaves the government intact (e.g. 1991 Gulf War) and one that destroys an army and topples a government (2003 Gulf War). The second would not happen to a nuclear weapons power (at least IMOH) due to the risk of them using their weapons. Hence, you dashing around Korea would irritate the Chinese, but dashing around Beijing would quite possibly scare them enough to press some very big red buttons...

[Bluffcove]

I concur.

so, in the event of a hot conflict, which do you think it would be? Do you imagine a War in which we try to topple Beijjing or one where we merely slap their wrists for looking rather too keenly at the demilitarised Zone in Korea?

[pdf27]

I concur.

so, in the event of a hot conflict, which do you think it would be? Do you imagine a War in which we try to topple Beijjing or one where we merely slap their wrists for looking rather too keenly at the demilitarised Zone in Korea?
At a guess it'll either be a case of no land units (well, maybe the odd irregular one) landing on mainland China with most of the fighting in the sea/air (Taiwan) or the Chinese units involved being "Volunteers" as a face-saving measure to prevent China officially becoming involved in the war (Korea again). I can't imagine a war to topple the government in Beijing simply because they have nukes, making it far too dangerous. On the other hand, nukes do make people think very long and hard about going to war - there are very few cases indeed of a nuclear power starting a war, and those that are (Iraq et al) are often continuations of earlier wars started by the non-nuclear power.

[Bluffcove]

(as an aside )

I thought that IRAQ did have nuclear weapons and that was why we "must" attack them.

(please ignore)

[pdf27]

(please ignore)
So far as I'm concerned the fact that the guy is a genocidal scumbag is enough. I can think of quite a few other places that would also benefit from "Regime Change" - are you listening Mr. Mugabe?

[Bluffcove]

Sorry Im on a line from Zimbabwe I cant quite here you, Im breaking up, I would get the telephone man in to repair the line but unfortunately he had an education and was friendly with the Whitemen so I had him killed and gave his car to a farmer. Yes I know the farmer isnt a Farmer and burnt down a barn full of seed grain. But we will get money off Bob Geldof it will all be OK.

[Hosenfield]

No you are wrong

The People's Liberation Army Air Force is the largest military air force in the world with over 6,000 military airplanes and over 300,000 active personnel. The new PLAAF is updating its inventory of MiG-21 and MiG-19 copies with planned purchases of the advanced Russian made Sukhoi SU-27 FLANKER series and the newly developed J-10 strike fighter.

image removed

J-10 STRIKE FIGHTER

image removed

Do you think then this is not good ,lool this
http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html

numbers don't mean that much when a us f-22 carries 6 missles and shoots down 1 chinaman for each missle.

out of all the outdated migs, a minority are modern su-27 flankers and su-30s

What US F-22? How many are there in service? Er none. Please dont assume that because we dominated the air war in the Gulf that it will always be so.

what? f-22s are in service. anyway, the chinese don't have anything(numbers of su-27,su-30) close to the numbers of f-16,f18s, that we have now. their aviation industry still needs to modernize.

when the average chinese earns a lot more then 6,250 dollars per capita they earn now then maybe they could catch up.

but not in the near future. perhaps when we are old,gray, or dead.

[Hanz Lutz]

All of that i find on page and thers adress ,i dont know when that been and we here not talking who is stronger now ,topic is who is the next world power you and nobody can denide ,for some years china will have a military power in world ,maybe they not have now but they will ,and why USA so scare china ,they want attack corea ,why did not attack china becouse and china have nukes ,thats all politics i think ,destroy weaknes ,and the stronger countryes will hava all power ,correct me if i wrong mate. :lol: :lol: :wink:

[BDL]

what? f-22s are in service. anyway, the chinese don't have anything(numbers of su-27,su-30) close to the numbers of f-16,f18s, that we have now. their aviation industry still needs to modernize.

when the average chinese earns a lot more then 6,250 dollars per capita they earn now then maybe they could catch up.

but not in the near future. perhaps when we are old,gray, or dead.

F-22s aren't in service yet, and probably won't be for a while.

The Chinese Air Force may not have the number of Su-27s to match the US numbers of F-16s and F-18s, but they don't need to. The US can't send every fighter it has to China, can they? And when you outnumber your opponents by a good few hundred to one, quality of equipment isn't all that important.

What has the average wage of a country got to do with how well they fight?

I reckon China will start to catch the us before I'm dead, sometime in the next 50 years or so I'd say.

[Firefly]

Anyway, its not about old style war now. I have mentioned this before. What happens to the US if China decides to sell off all its US treasury Bonds? The US is a major debtor nation to China.

[Hanz Lutz]

what? f-22s are in service. anyway, the chinese don't have anything(numbers of su-27,su-30) close to the numbers of f-16,f18s, that we have now. their aviation industry still needs to modernize.

when the average chinese earns a lot more then 6,250 dollars per capita they earn now then maybe they could catch up.

but not in the near future. perhaps when we are old,gray, or dead.

F-22s aren't in service yet, and probably won't be for a while.

The Chinese Air Force may not have the number of Su-27s to match the US numbers of F-16s and F-18s, but they don't need to. The US can't send every fighter it has to China, can they? And when you outnumber your opponents by a good few hundred to one, quality of equipment isn't all that important.

What has the average wage of a country got to do with how well they fight?

I reckon China will start to catch the us before I'm dead, sometime in the next 50 years or so I'd say.

China was started to catch usa ,in the next 20 years they been same. :lol: :lol:

[Man of Stoat]

China like the US? Only with a GULAG, no civil rights or civil liberties, and extreme poverty in rural areas...

[Hanz Lutz]

I dont say their the same ,i say china was stardet to catch USA in army ,in military stuff ,and their never been same in political,and peoples rights ,USA is democratic country China is communism . :wink:

[Man of Stoat]

I dont say their the same...

Yes you did:

China was started to catch usa ,in the next 20 years they been same. :lol: :lol:

If what you mean and what you say are two completely different things, then you must be the BFG...

[Bluffcove]

If America wont involve all of its planes in the war then we presume the conflcit takes place on Chinese soil, I wonder when we made the Presumption that America would be the Aggressor!

Secondly I agree that War isnt necessarily a Military matter. The Selling of Stocks in American companies etc would be damaging, the amount of "virtual" trade and electronic banking that supports the American trade markets is also susceptible to fiddling.

The discussion was about a "world" power not a military power. India is the Worlds largest stable democracy, It has the cleanest bill of health, as it were, of any modern democratic nation. Mahatma Gandhi bought the Indian people their independence without violence through all the official channels, and it was the Indian citizens that administered and ran the Raj in India. consequently they are a much more efficient beauraucracy than many others. Trade in India is huge, Ther ability to do things themselves which was given its genesis under the Raj has menat that rather than buy foreign products they will buy the designs and patents then make them "in country" at much reduced prices. Their nuclear programmes overtook their technical support during the 1980's because of this ability to research and develope quickly.

Economically they govern the subcontinent and an aweful lot of the trade in oil that we should expect from the caucasus over the next few years could quite possibly be coming south through India and Pakistan to reach the ocean. The wealth that we presently see in the Gulf coastal States COULD be seen again in the Indian continent.

[Hanz Lutz]

I dont say their the same...

Yes you did:

China was started to catch usa ,in the next 20 years they been same. :lol: :lol:

If what you mean and what you say are two completely different things, then you must be the BFG...

FUCK OFF .

[Bluffcove]

coherent and reasoned response well done, you got him there!!!!!

[Firefly]

I dont say their the same...

Yes you did:

China was started to catch usa ,in the next 20 years they been same. :lol: :lol:

If what you mean and what you say are two completely different things, then you must be the BFG...

FUCK OFF .

There is absolutely no need for thi attitude. I suggest that if you cannot refrain from a proper discussion, you say nothing at all. insults will get you no-where.

[Sturmtruppen]

There is absolutely no need for thi attitude. I suggest that if you cannot refrain from a proper discussion, you say nothing at all. insults will get you no-where.
look:

I dont say their the same... .

he is Clauss von Stauffeberg no dullardberg (we all know what is dullard).

stop doing this,stoat,control yourself,clauss,report things to mods by pm,don´t reply please (if you can)

[Hanz Lutz]

HE INSULTS ME WHATS THIS Claus von Dullardberg

[Firefly]

HE INSULTS ME WHATS THIS Claus von Dullardberg

Claus, if thats your name.

I wouldnt think that, that was an insult. Your insult, was one.

If you have a genuine contribution thats fine, if you are going to get upset so easily and start insulting people, well thats up to you, but I hope you wont remain long on here if thats the truth.

You need to seriously think before posting any old mush here. Thats when you get labelled as dull and boring.

[Sturmtruppen]

HE INSULTS ME WHATS THIS Claus von Dullardberg

Claus, if thats your name.

I wouldnt think that, that was an insult. Your insult, was one.

If you have a genuine contribution thats fine, if you are going to get upset so easily and start insulting people, well thats up to you, but I hope you wont remain long on here if thats the truth.

You need to seriously think before posting any old mush here. Thats when you get labelled as dull and boring.

you are the one out of place firefly,you don´t have enough rank in the forum (believe you or not) to make advices,you don´t have that conditio,and btw,you like bluffcove,the stoat,and the other arrse's,so,you are at one side only.

that was an insult,not nice,do you want anybody to put names to you?

[Firefly]

Erwin

I am fast becoming fed-up with this childishness. I dont hve enough rank to advise?

Please explain to me the reason for this?

I assume that using the term 'FUCK OFF' is perfectly acceptable then?

If it is I will try and use it in my future posts.

[Sturmtruppen]

Erwin

I am fast becoming fed-up with this childishness. I dont hve enough rank to advise?

Please explain to me the reason for this?

I assume that using the term 'FUCK OFF' is perfectly acceptable then?

If it is I will try and use it in my future posts.

perfectly acceptable not.
and dullard isn´t acceptable too

your rank don´t gives you this responsability,it´s our work,so,advice by pm,and don´t try to gain more respect on other members,by helping your friends.

Cheers from your auto-promotion :wink:

[Hanz Lutz]

What a fuck you want Firefly he insults me and what you playing here some peacekepper.I wont tolerate insults ,i not insult anyone here never you are first insults me.

[Bluffcove]

Clutz baby, dont be angry.

You merely had two quotes from your posts provided to you and asked if htey were contradictory, now that isnt offensive. If your posts arent matching up that is your hsit and you have to sort through that, but its not his fault that he saw a gaping hole in the consistency of your argument.

incidentally "Clutz" what is the effective range of an individual weapon when fired in groups of 8 in a practice known as section fire?

Editted to infer he might be IRONMAN-like in his reactionary whinges

[Firefly]

Erwin

I am fast becoming fed-up with this childishness. I dont hve enough rank to advise?

Please explain to me the reason for this?

I assume that using the term 'FUCK OFF' is perfectly acceptable then?

If it is I will try and use it in my future posts.

perfectly acceptable not.
and dullard isn´t acceptable too

your rank don´t gives you this responsability,it´s our work,so,advice by pm,and don´t try to gain more respect on other members,by helping your friends.

Cheers from your auto-promotion :wink:


Auto-promotion! Is that meant as a negative comment?

Even if I had made 1 post here I still retain the right to advise anyone. I still say that if Clus has a problem with anyone that the best thing to do would be to either talk t a real Mod or think about why people have found his posts boring.

Rank, as in the real world and even more so here is not a measure of intellectual capacity or indeed the ability to be right all the time.

[Sturmtruppen]

incidentally "Clause" what is the effective range of an individual weapon when fired in groups of 8 in a practice known as section fire?

GO BACK TOPIC!!!! :)

[Bluffcove]

go back to topic, or
go back off topic?

is that a question or a demand.

[Hanz Lutz]

Clutz baby, dont be angry.

You merely had two quotes from your posts provided to you and asked if htey were contradictory, now that isnt offensive. If your posts arent matching up that is your hsit and you have to sort through that, but its not his fault that he saw a gaping hole in the consistency of your argument.

incidentally "Clutz" what is the effective range of an individual weapon when fired in groups of 8 in a practice known as section fire?

Editted to infer he might be IRONMAN-like in his reactionary whinges

Bluffcove do i ever insult you or tell you something bad no ,i dont know english good ,do you copy that ,and what you have against me .

[Sturmtruppen]

go back to topic, or
go back off topic?

is that a question or a demand.
go back topic,demand(CLOSE TO ANOTHER WARNING)

[Bluffcove]

GO BACK to TOPIC

[Bluffcove]

Clutz baby, dont be angry.

You merely had two quotes from your posts provided to you and asked if htey were contradictory, now that isnt offensive. If your posts arent matching up that is your hsit and you have to sort through that, but its not his fault that he saw a gaping hole in the consistency of your argument.

incidentally "Clutz" what is the effective range of an individual weapon when fired in groups of 8 in a practice known as section fire?

Editted to infer he might be IRONMAN-like in his reactionary whinges

Bluffcove do i ever insult you or tell you something bad no ,i dont know english good ,do you copy that ,and what you have against me .

you are far too quick to take offence, you are proud and do not clibm down form correction, your reaction to an observation was not to explain you didnt speak english well it was to hurl obscenities, you are a relative newbie ot the forum and you offended one of the most long standing and easy going members of the old guard, He is I am sure you will notice one of hte members that has valid opinions and information and you would do well whilst new not to antagonise him.

Or many of the others. You are brash abrasive and reminsicent of a cock, though in many ways you are starting to form your own "coquettish" identity.

I hope that clears that up.

being "new" is related to time served and has nothing to do with rank or medals - ask a TA Subby! (me shortly)

[Sturmtruppen]

go back TO topic and shut up

[Bluffcove]

India................ and go!

(I would say more but ive just had my freedom of speech removed by the MOD - free one way flight in a herc is next :D)

[Sturmtruppen]

India................ and go!

(I would say more but ive just had my freedom of speech removed by the MOD - free one way flight in a herc is next :D)
Your freedom of spech is for talking on topic,there are certain rules,im afraid you respect them in your army,so,it´s easy to respect the rules of a forum,come on!,you can,it´s not too hard.

[Bluffcove]

The rules in the army keep "me", my men and my command alive.

Your rules make you feel better about yourself, I hope you appreciate the differnence, regardless of whether you do I intend to fully explore the differences.

[Sturmtruppen]

The rules in the army keep "me", my men and my command alive.

Your rules make you feel better about yourself, I hope you appreciate the differnence, regardless of whether you do I intend to fully explore the differences.

fake,it was made (not by me),to make this a better place.

[Bluffcove]

You dont need to have the last word, The mods cann actually allow things to evolve through threads, not every post needs a "thank you."

Some cheeky asides are permitted get out of hteway and allow the india comments to grow!

[Bluffcove]

The discussion was about a "world" power not a military power. India is the Worlds largest stable democracy, It has the cleanest bill of health, as it were, of any modern democratic nation. Mahatma Gandhi bought the Indian people their independence without violence through all the official channels, and it was the Indian citizens that administered and ran the Raj in India. consequently they are a much more efficient beauraucracy than many others. Trade in India is huge, Ther ability to do things themselves which was given its genesis under the Raj has menat that rather than buy foreign products they will buy the designs and patents then make them "in country" at much reduced prices. Their nuclear programmes overtook their technical support during the 1980's because of this ability to research and develope quickly.

Economically they govern the subcontinent and an aweful lot of the trade in oil that we should expect from the caucasus over the next few years could quite possibly be coming south through India and Pakistan to reach the ocean. The wealth that we presently see in the Gulf coastal States COULD be seen again in the Indian continent.

[StalingradK]

I still stand by India and what Bluffcove said :)

[Dani]

Clauss, I give you an informal warning to stop insulting. I received your PM and also I reply.
Bluffcove, if you'll re-read ( :D it's English??) http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=14697#14697, you'll understand why I start to delete 10 posts of yours.
Thanks and kindest regards.
Dani
P.S. Stop ridiculize the names of other users (This is not an informal nor a formal warning - it's just a friendly advice).

[Bluffcove]

Which ten posts have been deleted?

are they removed from my count or from other threads?

[Dani]

Up to now I deleted only four useless posts in several threads. Still six remains. You could delete yourself by hitting 'edit', deleting and writing post deleted.
Thanks.

Edited: Forgot to mention: When a post is deleted, it is substracted also from the count.

[Eagle]

I think that China have a gigantic economic potential.

If China improves it military projects, the potential not only would be economic... political too.

[Hosenfield]

china, first of all, needs a better educated populace...