your favourite weapon of all time (infantry weapon)

[Sturmtruppen]

i want to know your fav infantry weapon.

mine is the fn fal,i love it.

[South African Military]

Bren LMG

[Dani]

Barrett .50 M107 rifle :D

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1171/m107045nh.jpg

[Walther]

This is actually a stupid thread, since you'll have to take all weapons in their historical context.
In the 1830s, e.g. the breech loading Dreyse Zündnadelgewehr was the bee's knees, because compared to the previous muzzle loaders it could fire faster and (compared to muskets) more accurately. The muskets on the other hand made the pikemen obsolete. And the single shot breech loader was made obsolete by the magazine repeter, which in turn saw it's limits against the machine gun.

Jan

[Man of Stoat]

Trebuchet - for firing large things to smite thine enemies with.

Agreed, jan - another silly "what's your favourite" thread...

[festamus]

Well in fairness it is "favourite" and not "best", making it entirely subjective...

[Sturmtruppen]

This is actually a stupid thread, since you'll have to take all weapons in their historical context.

IM TALKING ABOUT WEAPONS OF ALL TIMES JAN.

Erwin

[Pavy]

im in love with the M14

i own 2 for some raeson, lol

[Bluffcove]

As it is "favourite and not best" I think that Chainshot are my favourite weapon. Followed closely by the cannonade.

The first was a type of ammunition more than actual weapon but tell that to the hundreds of French and Spanish (and British) Seamen that saw Sails Spars Stays and Masts carried away by two fuck off huge whirling balls of steel. Its fairly agricultural technology but effective never the less.

The cannonade was a large calibre, short barreled smooth bored cannon. It was designed purposefully not to pentrate the hulls of the boats it was fired onto. Its large calibre meant that the energy from the shot was dissipated quickly and efficiently into the hull of the enemy ship, this sent a shock wave through the decks and beams "shivering the timbers" (causing the grain of the wood to flex and open) the result was an explosion of small wooden splinters breaking from the hull (walls) the deck (roof) and the sole (floor) instantly. It didnt cause death so much as huge casualties, it turned the gun decks of Men of War and frigates into a very dangerous place whereas a connon shot would stop on the outside and allow the men inside to continue at their gun positions the presence of a Cannonade seriously disrupted work below decks as casualties were much higher than with the use of standard weaponry which could noramlly only injure those in exposed locations. - A piece of British ingenuity that circumvented the challenge of pentrating heavily "armoured" vessels by making the ship itself the danger

Its a weapon, its not WW2 but its my favourite. (Im a sailing anorak to some degree - oops)

Failing that Entrenching tools, not becaue Im barbaric but because they have been used since medieval times and enabled peasants to level with men of nobility in the fields of Agincourt. After the Knights had been brought fom their horses it was the Longbowmen that descended from the woods to finish them off with Lump Hammers, sickles and spades.

(Hence the French getting all shirty because their nobles werent killed by other nobles but dirty Welshmen in wooly shirts)

Here endeth the rant.

If it has to be recent, then the LSW, because it is (im informed) surprisngly accurate and Its British! and the Bipod makes for some great from-the-hip Beirut Unloads when you have to be OPFOR.

[pdf27]

The cannonade was a large calibre, short barreled smooth bored cannon.
<engage pedant mode>
Ahem: You're thinking of a Carronade (http://www.hms.org.uk/nelsonsnavycarronade.htm) - a cannonade is a lot of cannon firing together
</engage pedant mode>

[Walther]

When I was still in Ireland, I watched a British TV programme about the old man o' wars. There they demonstrated the effect of ball shot:

They had a reasonably small smoothbore muzzle loader field cannon (calibre about 3 inches) set up to fire from about 50 meters at a wall made up of oak railway sleepers. Behind it they had mannequins dressed in 18th century sailor's gear, plus a high speed camera to film the results. The impact of the cannon ball caused big wood fragments to richochet all over the area behind the wall, literally ripping the mannequin into pieces. Add to this the direct impact of the cannon ball which bounced across the floor behind the wall.

Jan

[Bluffcove]

Sorry yes carronade
Just seen its meant to be infantry weapon, Oh well its been a long day!

[reiver]

The cannonade was a large calibre, short barreled smooth bored cannon.
<engage pedant mode>
Ahem: You're thinking of a Carronade (http://www.hms.org.uk/nelsonsnavycarronade.htm) - a cannonade is a lot of cannon firing together
</engage pedant mode>

And named, of course, after the Carron steel works in Falkirk, where they were first made.
First loading of a carronade in battle was typically double shotted, plus a keg of muskey balls on top!

[Man of Stoat]

If it has to be recent, then the LSW, because it is (im informed) surprisngly accurate and Its British! and the Bipod makes for some great from-the-hip Beirut Unloads when you have to be OPFOR.

Splits groups on rock & roll (I fired it R&R at 300m, and every shot apart from the 1st of each burst was 6-10' from the POA) , and can't be fired from the left shoulder. Nuff said, really! As a machinegun it's useless, hence the adoption of the Minimi.

[Bluffcove]

the Bipod makes for some great from-the-hip Beirut Unloads when you have to be OPFOR. :lol: :lol:

Nuff said, Im not likely to get to use much else anyway, I rarely get given any choice. It is something along the lines of

"oi you the big bloke carry the heavy one!"

[LargeBrew]

SLR all the way as it felt like a real weapon not a toy and was smarter for drills. To be honest though any barrarge or air strike a mile forward would do.

[temujin77]

My vote goes to the bronze swords of Warring States period (~400BC-200BC) in China.

[Firefly]

The cannonade was a large calibre, short barreled smooth bored cannon.
<engage pedant mode>
Ahem: You're thinking of a Carronade (http://www.hms.org.uk/nelsonsnavycarronade.htm) - a cannonade is a lot of cannon firing together
</engage pedant mode>

And named, of course, after the Carron steel works in Falkirk, where they were first made.
First loading of a carronade in battle was typically double shotted, plus a keg of muskey balls on top!

Way off topic, but my dad use to work for Carrons in Kirkcaldy many years ago and they were still pretty proud of the carronade then.

[american sniper]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Sol23/msg.jpg

[Cuts]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Sol23/msg.jpg

Do you know what that is and have you used it ?

[Sturmtruppen]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Sol23/msg.jpg

Do you know what that is and have you used it ?
please vasilij,put the information,thanks :)

[Walther]

To me it looks like a H&K PSG-1. No, I have not shot it and in fact I've never handled, I have just seen it in the hands of members of Berlin police SWAT unit.

Jan

[Hanz Lutz]

Nice rifle .

[Cuts]

To me it looks like a H&K PSG-1. No, I have not shot it and in fact I've never handled, I have just seen it in the hands of members of Berlin police SWAT unit.

Jan

Personally I've never seen a PSG1 without a palm rest, not even in pics.

[Dani]

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn14-e.htm

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/5421/hkpsg1l5le.jpg

And from the site of H&K:
http://www.heckler-koch.de/core.php?dat=Y29tcG9uZW50PWFydGljbGVzJmFjdGlvbj1za G93JnhJRD1wcm9kdWN0QXJ0aWNsZURldGFpbHMmYXJ0aWNsZUl EPTI0NyZjYXRJRD0xMzAyJmxhbmdJRD0xJnBhcmVudElEPTY0N yZuYXZpZ2F0aW9uSUQ9NjQ4JmJhY2tCdXQ9c2hvdyZ1c2VGbGF zaD0=

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/8712/psg10nx.jpg

[Hanz Lutz]

What a gun . :shock:

[american sniper]

To me it looks like a H&K PSG-1. No, I have not shot it and in fact I've never handled, I have just seen it in the hands of members of Berlin police SWAT unit.

it is a HK MSG-90

here is another nice gun
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Sol23/hk_msg90a1.jpg
HK MSG-90A1, a modified design for US DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) program

Caliber: 7.62mm NATO (.308 Win)
Operation: Semi-auto, Roller delayed blowback
Barrel: 600 mm
Weight: 6.4 kg
Length: 1165 mm
Feed Mechanism: 5 or 20 round detachable box magazines.

[Man of Stoat]

The H&K roller-delayed blowback rifles (i.e. G3 based ones) are heavily over-rated, for the following reasons:

- Balance is crap - front-heavy
- The bolt is too heavy, so the centre of mass moves a lot when firing
- The construction can lead to the butt being a bit wobbly - not condusive to accuracy
- That hump on the butt where it meets the receiver is liable to clock you in the face
- The cocking handle is annoyingly awkward & hard to operate (my mrs couldn't do it)
- Cleaning - the roller recesses are a PITA to clean, as are the chamber flutes
- Brass-sensitive - if the brass is too soft, the case head gets blown off
- Ejection is violent and at an angle such that the enemy can see your empties glinting in the sunlight from a long way off (a friend of mine said from experience that it made seeing the enemy easy even at 2-300m)
- Full-auto fire was not as uncontrollable as I thought it would be, but is still not for the faint-hearted

These HK sniper-rifles are also a little overrated - they look really warry & techie, so walts love them. A true sniper rifle should not fire a shiny brassy thing several feet in the air with every shot - it kinda gives the game away!

As for a really good infantry wpn of recent decades, the L1A1 SLR (British version of the FN-FAL) takes some beating - perhaps the AR10 (although the bolt hitting the last-round hold open can crack the frame) is better, but it was never officially adopted (the Dutch used 10,000-odd of them in Indonesia but then adopted the FAL for political reasons).

[festamus]

These HK sniper-rifles are also a little overrated - they look really warry & techie, so walts love them. A true sniper rifle should not fire a shiny brassy thing several feet in the air with every shot - it kinda gives the game away!

And if anyone wants proof of this, find out what the Bundeswehr's issue G22 sniper rifle is beneath the German designation!

[Cuts]

Wouldn´t be something similar to an AI AW by any chance would it ? :D

[american sniper]

i thanks its a little differint

[Cuts]

Not only different AS, more accurate, more comfortable, and in the 338 Lap Super Mag or 300 Win Mag, (as used by the Bundeswehr,) more effective in the anti mat role.
(If it's of any consequence it's also easier to tpt or lob with.)

http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/g22-06.jpg

[student-scaley]

My favourite is the Minimi, having just fired one (and a Demarco, which was effing cool!) i am now in love and have decided to chuck my girlfriend and replace her with a minimi.

[BDL]

My favourite is the Minimi, having just fired one (and a Demarco, which was effing cool!) i am now in love and have decided to chuck my girlfriend and replace her with a minimi.

Did you giggle like a little school girl first time you fired it, like I did?

[student-scaley]

yeah, but then the screams of ectasy took over followed shortly by 'GET SOME'

[BDL]

yeah, but then the screams of ectasy took over followed shortly by 'GET SOME'

You just can't help yourself can you? I love that gun

[student-scaley]

I have pictures of it in my room now. I did consider buying a BB version off the net, but that was deemed by others to be a step too far :cry:

[Cuts]

Lads, while the Minimi is a useful bit of kit, for pure fun try the M2 BMG, or if you can find one these days a quad mount of the same !
The most fun you can have with your clothes on.

A personal favourite from a mechanical/useful point of view is still the Grand Old Lady, the venerable Vickers.
Still the best truly SFMG that exists, despite it's age.

[BDL]

Lads, while the Minimi is a useful bit of kit, for pure fun try the M2 BMG, or if you can find one these days a quad mount of the same !
The most fun you can have with your clothes on.

Had a go with a DSHK on a captured weapons shoot in NI, now that was fun. Not had a go with the Browning version

[Cuts]

The DShK is also very impressive - odd sort of link though don't you think ?
I've always thought that they looked a little 'Buck Rodgers' with the finned bbl and FOGB muzzle device, (in no way can it be called a flash supressor !)

Even the DShKM is more complicated than the BMG to manufacture, and not as reliable as John Moses' cuddly toy.

[BDL]

The DShK is also very impressive - odd sort of link though don't you think ?
I've always thought that they looked a little 'Buck Rodgers' with the finned bbl and FOGB muzzle device, (in no way can it be called a flash supressor !)

Even the DShKM is more complicated than the BMG to manufacture, and not as reliable as John Moses' cuddly toy.

Very weird looking gun. F-ing good fun though.

[student-scaley]

Lads, while the Minimi is a useful bit of kit, for pure fun try the M2 BMG, or if you can find one these days a quad mount of the same !
The most fun you can have with your clothes on.

A personal favourite from a mechanical/useful point of view is still the Grand Old Lady, the venerable Vickers.
Still the best truly SFMG that exists, despite it's age.

Where can i get one, me wanna play with big machine guns!

[Cactus]

Barrett .50 M107 rifle :D

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1171/m107045nh.jpg

8) :D

[Man of Stoat]

Birdman weapon systems has gone - I was looking forward to post some of his "weapons" and see who fell for them! E.g. the Barrett Light 50 pistol (copied here http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0800/850.htm), the Barret Light 50 entry weapon, the Nuke 50 ammunition, the Mountain Dew Cannon, the $29.95 50 cal rifle, and the HomeBoy NiteSites :D

He did, however, really make & shoot a .50BMG pistol (I had some video of it being fired). The shock wave shook the camera :D

Maadi-Griffin do make one commercially though:

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2293.htm

[Walther]

You mean e.g. the Glock with the sights mounted on the right side for gang bangers who hold their guns sideways, to look cool, "just like in the movies"? :D

Jan

[nmpwts]

I am going to have to go with the m14 also.
Or a Thompson.
Or an M60 E3
or an M4
Or an aks-74u
my god theres so many.
I dont know :shock:

[Hiddenrug]

I would have to say either the Colt M4 M249 SAW or the Lee Enfield
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1926/smle4mk1t5so.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Twitch1]

I'm going with the Colt M-1911. Our outfit were issued them in Vietnam and it saved my butt. It was carried into battle for a longer time by US military men than any weapon.

[Cash]

Heckler and Koch MP5 9mm SMG

http://conspiracyx0.tripod.com/weapons3/MP5A3.jpg

[Firefly]

Going back in time a bit, the Roman 'Spanish Sword' trully an innovation for the time and deadly effective.

[Hiddenrug]

Or id go with the M14 too! brilliant absolutely irrestible

[Man of Stoat]

Or id go with the M14 too! brilliant absolutely irrestible

By "brilliant" do you mean "complex, expensive, with bedding issues"?

A well tuned one is a delight on the range, but I wouldn't like to have to take it apart in the dark.

[Topor]

Oh bugger, I'm going to have to agree with Erwin on something :shock:

The FN/FAL, or rather it's British equivalent, the L1A1 SLR has to be my weapon of choice.
I wouldn't like to try for multiple hits with the "metric" version in "auto" though.

[SS Tiger]

I like the AK-47, its easy to mantain and good in all conditions.

http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/magyar.gif

[BDL]

Big fucking Viking axe

http://www.costumesforkids.co.uk/images/costumes/Viking%20Axe.jpg

[cpl condor]

my favourite, it's the fn fal, (it's saved my life in several ocations) :arrow: [/url]

[DerMann]

I've got quite a few, here's a list:

-Thompson
-M16
-Colt 1911
-Mauser 98k
-Lee Enfield
-Remington 870

Those are just my favourites of the ones I've fired, but favourite gun of all time?

The original G98 (I've yet to fire one...)

[SS Tiger]

Also like the P-90 because the way the clip is mounted on top and as the bullets are fed into the gun they are spun around!

http://opensores.thebunker.net/pub/mirrors/defcon/images/defcon-11/dc-11-shoot/p90.jpg