London bombings

[Bluffcove]

Seems that we have our terrorist problem back, images on Sky news of tunnel tents popping up round London, casevac on the underground. Seems we are put back a few paces with our war on terror, no news agencies are mentioning warnings or alerts prior to the events.

A sad day.

[Crab_to_be]

I'm here on the edge of it! I've shut the doors and windows as a precaution.

A series of almost simultaneous explosions points to Al Qaeda or someone wanting people to think of Al Qaeda. Small bombs point to either a campaign aimed at disruption rather than death, or a way of distributing NBC materials into the atmosphere.

So, is it a band of anarchist wankers curing poverty by injuring commuters or is it something much much worse? I've seen only Police / Fire / Ambulance so far, but I won't be surprised to see camouflage soon. After all, most of the police are up in Scotland.

More from this callsign as I hear it.

[Bluffcove]

If it was G8 related you think that it would be nearer Scotland - unless they are avoiding injuring tree huggers. and why do it When the PM is out of town, the fact he cant come back to London is going to smack of cowardice for many.

[Dani]

Quoted from CNN:
Scotland Yard reported multiple explosions across the city and are responding to reports at the Edgware Road, Kings Cross, Liverpool Street, Russell Square, Aldgate East and Moorgate subway stations. The cause of the blasts was not immediately known.
:( :shock: :shock:

[Tubbyboy]

If it was G8 related you think that it would be nearer Scotland - unless they are avoiding injuring tree huggers. and why do it When the PM is out of town, the fact he cant come back to London is going to smack of cowardice for many.

It could be G8 related in that half of the Met police are up in Scotland...

[Dani]

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Sky news

[Dani]

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[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

Blair is comming back to England to brief Security forces. And a Jihad Cell of Al Qaeda has clamed responsiblitity for the horrendious attacks. Those fucking bastards :evil:

[Dani]

Quote from AP:
What is believed to be the roof of the double-decker bus can be seen centre right.
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Sad, very sad.

[SMLE]

Bad news. Exact details are still unclear. Reports of up to seven train attacks and three bus bombings have come down to maybe only four in total.

[Tubbyboy]

I just heard that my Sister-in-Law just missed being involved in the Liverpool Street incident. She was had an interview this morning and it went so well that she stopped there for a few minutes chatting to the people there. When she got to the station she was heading down the escalators as the bomb went off and people were coming the other way.

A few minutes before and she would have been involved!

Fucking hell that was close!!

[Dani]

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BBC - Central London blasts

[Dani]

I just heard that my Sister-in-Law just missed being involved in the Liverpool Street incident. She was had an interview this morning and it went so well that she stopped there for a few minutes chatting to the people there. When she got to the station she was heading down the escalators as the bomb went off and people were coming the other way.

A few minutes before and she would have been involved!

Fucking hell that was close!!

Good Lord!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Dani]

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Fox news - Downtown London

[Tsolias]

A sad day for all.
Do you have any info on casualties yet?

[SMLE]

A sad day for all.
Do you have any info on casualties yet?

BBC are still quoting only two confirmed dead but I'm informed that US news are reporting as many as 40 dead.
It looks as if we may have come away fairly lightly.

[Dani]

AP:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BRITAIN_EXPLOSIONS_AL_QAIDA?SITE=VACUL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME

Quoted:
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- A group calling itself "The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" posted a claim of responsibility for Thursday's blasts in London, saying they were in retaliation for Britain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The authenticity of the message could not be immediately confirmed.

The statement, which also threatened attacks in Italy and Denmark, was published on a Web site popular with Islamic militants, according to Elaph, a secular Arabic-language news Web site, and Der Spiegel magazine in Berlin, which published the text on their Web sites.

"Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan," said the statement, translated by The Associated Press in Cairo. The AP was unable to access the Web site where it was posted, which was closed quickly after the reports.

[Dani]

Der Spiegel:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,364121,00.html

Text published on their site.

[Dani]

A sad day for all.
Do you have any info on casualties yet?

BBC are still quoting only two confirmed dead but I'm informed that US news are reporting as many as 40 dead.
It looks as if we may have come away fairly lightly.

Quote from CNN:
U.S. law enforcement sources said the British government has said at least 40 people are dead.

[Ale]

I suspect it is probably G8 related, whilst its not physically near to the summit, London is the biggest "centre of Gravity" for Politics, Finance etc. nearby. It is also the capital of the host nation, so any attack there will disrupt the meeting.

Blair has taken off to come down to London ('cos that'll help lots. :roll: ) and I gather that the other G8 leaders are perhaps leaving? :?:

[SMLE]

Ale, I was under the impression they'd decided to continue with the G8 as planned.

They eyes of the world were obviously on Britain with the G8, and the Olympic bid will have been a (un)fortunate coincidence. The eyes of the police and security services were no doubt concentrated on the G8 up North.

[Crab_to_be]

Well, it seems that the big nasty options can be ruled out - there's no emergency services in breathing gear and decontamination tents. The sun's come out and I feel generally better. The determined worrier in me wonders if there's a big bomb waiting to be detonated once enough emergency services and senior politician types have been drawn in to inspect the ongoing response. It's a bit Tom Clancyish though.

[Dani]

Both Sky News and Fox News announced:
At least 45 people are reported to have been killed and 1,000 injured in a series of terror attacks on London.

RIP whatever their number. :cry:

[Dani]

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Sky News

[Tsolias]

Both Sky News and Fox News announced:
At least 45 people are reported to have been killed and 1,000 injured in a series of terror attacks on London.



So sad. :cry:

[Gen. Sandworm]

I would just like to extend my sympathies to all of our British brethren. From where im sitting it doesnt seem clear yet that is was Al Qaeda. But I have a feeling that we will get the videotape from Al Jazeera soon. Just my opinion. Here in America all the national agencies are up in arms about the attacks. We are at level orange........not exactly sure what that means but I guess it supposed to be alarming. I hear that some American Agencies on their way to assist in the investigations in any way they can. Ill say to the Brits what a friend said to me on 9/11......."dont worry we will get those bastards" (I was in Sweden at the time)

Truly a sad day for all.

[reiver]

I would just like to extend my sympathies to all of our British brethren. From where im sitting it doesnt seem clear yet that is was Al Qaeda. But I have a feeling that we will get the videotape from Al Jazeera soon. Just my opinion. Here in America all the national agencies are up in arms about the attacks. We are at level orange........not exactly sure what that means but I guess it supposed to be alarming. I hear that some American Agencies on their way to assist in the investigations in any way they can. Ill say to the Brits what a friend said to me on 9/11......."dont worry we will get those bastards" (I was in Sweden at the time)

Truly a sad day for all.

Thank you General.
Although I consider myself a Scot born and raised, the gentleman in my avatar, my Father, was a genuine Cockney, born within sound of Bow Bells in London's East End.
My paternal Grandparents lived through the Blitz, and one thing I do know about Londoners.
Hitler's Luftwaffe couldn't break their spirits, nor could PIRA, with their bombing campaign, and I'm damn sure that whatever scum perpetrated todays outrage will never do it.

[Cactus]

I slept late and awoke to this on the news and watched it for a good hour. Very sad indeed. My hearts and prayers goes out to those injured, and killed and their families. God be with them.

[FW-190 Pilot]

i hate this when this happen
its like A tries to kill B, B tries to revenge, then A counter-attack, so on and on, when will this end? :shock:

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

I would just like to extend my sympathies to all of our British brethren. From where im sitting it doesnt seem clear yet that is was Al Qaeda. But I have a feeling that we will get the videotape from Al Jazeera soon. Just my opinion. Here in America all the national agencies are up in arms about the attacks. We are at level orange........not exactly sure what that means but I guess it supposed to be alarming. I hear that some American Agencies on their way to assist in the investigations in any way they can. Ill say to the Brits what a friend said to me on 9/11......."dont worry we will get those bastards" (I was in Sweden at the time)

Truly a sad day for all.

Orange alert level means an increased risk of attack on the US. but this isnt about us, its about the british, sympathy to all those who died :cry: , we'll get those bastards if its the last thing we do :!:

[2nd of foot]

Both Sky News and Fox News announced:
At least 45 people are reported to have been killed and 1,000 injured in a series of terror attacks on London.

RIP whatever their number. :cry:

This would appear to be media hype trying to make things grizzlier than they are and rounding the figures off on the high side. The death toll may climb slightly over night. Mid morning Sky had troops on the streets. :roll:

It is worth pointing out that the emergency services have mobilised very quickly and stopped all buses and tub trains within a short time of the first attack. They have been doing an excellent job.

As was pointed out earlier 1500 of the met are up playing golf with tree huggers. It would be a very good idea if the tree huggers did not entice the police at this time as a lot of the press will be going back down south and no one will be there to see them get a good explanation of civic duty. I can also see those who are in custody not getting off with a warning now.

For better and more up-to-date coverage try

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661059.stm

as at 1937 GMT

London bombings toll rises to 37
A series of bomb attacks on London's transport network has killed more than 30 people and injured about 700 others.

[reiver]

BBC News 24 now reporting all main line railway stations are open again.

Police in Edinburgh have carried out two controlled explosions after a suspect package was found on a bus.
No reports yet as to whether this was, in fact, an explosive device.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Orange alert level means an increased risk of attack on the US. but this isnt about us, its about the british, sympathy to all those who died :cry: , we'll get those bastards if its the last thing we do :!:

Yea i know what it means. Just think that terror scale is just a bit silly. Like ive heard on the news all day that there is no intelligence that there will be an attack in the US but we decided to raise the alert level because of what happened in London. I guess there is a posslibility but I dont see the reason to get everyone over here shittin their pants because of the depictable acts in London. Just my opinion.

[Cactus]

Can't hurt though godforbid something else were to happen.

[pdf27]

Yeah, there have been quite a few security alarms all over the country today as people start looking really askance at any abandoned bags, etc. There was apparently a 2 mile exclusion zone around Brighton station for a while after some idiot left a briefcase by the entrance. Cue controlled explosion and reopening the station, but it all takes time.

[Sturmtruppen]

im so sorry,this is a sad day,my simpaty.
I called to the british embassy here,but the lines we´re busy.

all we can do now is take care,this fuck*/g terrorist are everywhere.

[TexWiller]

i've just returned from a 5 day long spearfishing trip and read about the bombings.i mourn for the victims of this meaningless bloodshed.damn the terrorists and their pseudo jihad!

[Commando Jordovski]

Dam right my friend, Muslim ragheads are inflicting fear into the world but mostly anger, is it anger they want to accomplish or lives?, because life will live on and no matter how many bombs they explode they cannot stop the inevitable way of Life.

I was listening to my local radio station when i heard london was bombed and the broadcaster said "hitler should of killed the muslims instead of the jews in WW2 and we wouldn't have such a big muslim problem today.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Dam right my friend, Muslim ragheads are inflicting fear into the world but mostly anger, is it anger they want to accomplish or lives?, because life will live on and no matter how many bombs they explode they cannot stop the inevitable way of Life.

I was listening to my local radio station when i heard london was bombed and the broadcaster said "hitler should of killed the muslims instead of the jews in WW2 and we wouldn't have such a big muslim problem today.

Well whoever said that is a fucking ass. Not all muslims are bad people. Just like not all communists are bad people.

[Fuchs66]

Dam right my friend, Muslim ragheads are inflicting fear into the world but mostly anger, is it anger they want to accomplish or lives?, because life will live on and no matter how many bombs they explode they cannot stop the inevitable way of Life.

I was listening to my local radio station when i heard london was bombed and the broadcaster said "hitler should of killed the muslims instead of the jews in WW2 and we wouldn't have such a big muslim problem today.

and this sort of shitty racist attitude is what makes more terrorists than the most radical of immans, wind your neck in and think before you open your mouth.

[Fuchs66]

What do the US members of this site think about the following, your President is saying that the US is "standing shoulder on shoulder" with us and that "we will not retreat in the face of terrorism" and then I read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4673987.stm

London is open for business, it's the only way to beat these people and the people who are making the most noise about fighting are hiding.

Sorry if this hits a nerve but it pissed me off when I read it.

[Gen. Sandworm]

What do the US members of this site think about the following, your President is saying that the US is "standing shoulder on shoulder" with us and that "we will not retreat in the face of terrorism" and then I read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4673987.stm

London is open for business, it's the only way to beat these people and the people who are making the most noise about fighting are hiding.

Sorry if this hits a nerve but it pissed me off when I read it.

Well...........I can see it from both sides. I see why it pisses you off. On the other hand I can KINDA see why the order was issued. Try and reverse it. Lets say there where 12000 Brits stationed in New Jersey on 9/11. And there was not personal call by the US president for help. (Like with London I dont think Blair has asked us for help. But I did hear we sent some special investigators to assist if needed.) Do you think the British PM might issue a similar order to his troops to avoid NY. Anyhow it would have been better to keep such a order on the "down low" especially after you make such comments "standing shoulder to shoulder" with us and that "we will not retreat in the face of terrorism"

But im sure any normal person in the world can see "our president dont think so good"

:lol: :roll: :? :(

[Fuchs66]

Well...........I can see it from both sides. I see why it pisses you off. On the other hand I can KINDA see why the order was issued. Try and reverse it. Lets say there where 12000 Brits stationed in New Jersey on 9/11. And there was not personal call by the US president for help. (Like with London I dont think Blair has asked us for help. But I did hear we sent some special investigators to assist if needed.) Do you think the British PM might issue a similar order to his troop to avoid NY. Anyhow it would have been better to keep such a order on the "down low" especially after you make such comments "standing shoulder on shoulder" with us and that "we will not retreat in the face of terrorism"

But im sure any normal person in the world can see "our president dont think so good"

:lol: :roll: :? :(

The thing is we dont need your help on this incident the civilian emergency services are more than capable of dealing with it. It just seems strange that the US military is not prepared to do what normal UK civilians do without any big dramas, the only thing that will in the end defeat terrorism and that is carry on as normal.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Well...........I can see it from both sides. I see why it pisses you off. On the other hand I can KINDA see why the order was issued. Try and reverse it. Lets say there where 12000 Brits stationed in New Jersey on 9/11. And there was not personal call by the US president for help. (Like with London I dont think Blair has asked us for help. But I did hear we sent some special investigators to assist if needed.) Do you think the British PM might issue a similar order to his troop to avoid NY. Anyhow it would have been better to keep such a order on the "down low" especially after you make such comments "standing shoulder on shoulder" with us and that "we will not retreat in the face of terrorism"

But im sure any normal person in the world can see "our president dont think so good"

:lol: :roll: :? :(

The thing is we dont need your help on this incident the civilian emergency services are more than capable of dealing with it. It just seems strange that the US military is not prepared to do what normal UK civilians do without any big dramas, the only thing that will in the end defeat terrorism and that is carry on as normal.

Absolutly agree with you. However you have to remember that the Brits have a bit more experience with being bombed than the Americans. Thats why i was saying earlier in this thread that it was silly for us to raise the terror alert level. We tend to get a bit more jumpy about things since 9/11. Just watch Micheal Moore's Bowling for Columbine or Fahrenheit 9/11. We seem to have a more react then think policy.

[Fuchs66]

Absolutly agree with you. However you have to remember that the Brits have a bit more experience with being bombed than the Americans. Thats why i was saying earlier in this thread that it was silly for us to raise the terror alert level. We tend to get a bit more jumpy about things since 9/11. Just watch Micheal Moore's Bowling for Columbine or Fahrenheit 9/11. We seem to have a more react then think policy.

Yes I wasn't attacking you personally, glad to see you reacted as I hoped. It really is a case of "closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" and this sends the message to the terrorists that their tactics have worked, at least partially. Terrorists want to spread (funnily enough) terror and if they see that they have caused the US military to react in this way they will be rubbing their hands and looking forward to the next bombing.

[Walther]

Well, back in 1940, the American ambassador Kennedy (father of President John F. Kennedy) ureged American citizens to leave Britain. Ok, he was highly isolationist and was afraid that, if an American would get hurt or killed in German bombing of Britain, the US would be pulled into the war, being Boston Irish, he was also not very Britain-friendly.
But the result of his urging was that suddenly Americans resident in Britain joined the homeguard en masse, and some even joined the regular British forces.

Jan

[Bluffcove]

I came on here expecting this discussion to be underway, And after a brief daliance with TCI I have ventured forth into the Off topic - General area only to find both sides have alreay been fully discussed.

I was shocked that Dubya has extended the meaning of standing shoulder to shoulder with Britian to mean, You stand inside the M25 whilst we stand at a conveninet distance. Im pleased to see that the American people have also seen the hypocrisy in this.

Im not anti America, as Sandworm has alluded, Its that Chump in the White house that makes it hard for us!

As for the Whole "Jew/Muslim" thing that Jarozowski came up with, FFS do you ever wonder why Some of the more Flamboyant Muslims get a bit angry? There is nothing like suggesting a holocaust on a religion to calm the Extremists down and make them sociable.

K-unt!

[Fuchs66]

As for the Whole "Jew/Muslim" thing that Jarozowski came up with, FFS do you ever wonder why Some of the more Flamboyant Muslims get a bit angry? There is nothing like suggesting a holocaust on a religion to calm the Extremists down and make them sociable.

K-unt!

As far as I can gather our "friend" is from Russia, I was there last year and although there are many things I really enjoyed there, one thing kept cropping up and that was an almost universal hatred of all things Muslim (also from highly educated people who should really have known better). This appears to have a lot to do with how the problems in the Kaukusus regions have been handled by those in charge and reported by the "state influenced" media. The only problem is that a lot of people there (this was in St Petersburg) didn't have a clue what a muslim was and I found myself having to help out Japanese and Indian colleagues who were on the recieving end of verbal abuse (similarly Sikhs have come under attack in the UK and US in recent times) although nowhere near as openly and widespread.

[BDL]

According to the BBC dinner time news, the ban has now been lifted by the USAF

[Gen. Sandworm]

(also from highly educated people who should really have known better)

No offense........and this is a bit off topic........but I hate to see these kinds of statements. Just because one is well educated does not mean that he/she should know better. Education is not going to fix racism or anti-semitism. Dont forget there were plenty of well educated Nazi's. Im sure you could take the most rascist bastard on the planet make him read all kinds of book on the horrors of that type of thinking and he would still come out no better. Racism and Anti-semitism stems from a natural lack of empathy for other human beings. Just as we justify our motives against the terrorists they in their own way justify their cause to themselves. It would seem lack of empathy for others is just a very common trait among our species.

Anyhow thats my take on it.

[Bluffcove]

I would say that Education can lessen prejudice even if not racism.
prejudice by its very nature is the judgement of something not yet understood or experienced - and whilst I know semantics are frequently dismissed, Knowledge of a particular area or matter can help aleviate misconceptions.

In the UK at least, extremist nationalist parties and extrem socialist parties, all find their highest recruitment amongst the less well educated and less well off (unfortunately these two coincide.)

Eucation in a formal, academic or institutional manner might not prevent outlandish views, but a broader range of experience etc, does increase awareness and the like.

as Sandworm has said.

"Just my take"

[South African Military]

Dam right my friend, Muslim ragheads are inflicting fear into the world but mostly anger, is it anger they want to accomplish or lives?, because life will live on and no matter how many bombs they explode they cannot stop the inevitable way of Life.

I was listening to my local radio station when i heard london was bombed and the broadcaster said "hitler should of killed the muslims instead of the jews in WW2 and we wouldn't have such a big muslim problem today.

and this sort of shitty racist attitude is what makes more terrorists than the most radical of immans, wind your neck in and think before you open your mouth.

Agreed.

No offense........and this is a bit off topic........but I hate to see these kinds of statements. Just because one is well educated does not mean that he/she should know better. Education is not going to fix racism or anti-semitism. Dont forget there were plenty of well educated Nazi's. Im sure you could take the most rascist bastard on the planet make him read all kinds of book on the horrors of that type of thinking and he would still come out no better. Racism and Anti-semitism stems from a natural lack of empathy for other human beings. Just as we justify our motives against the terrorists they in their own way justify their cause to themselves. It would seem lack of empathy for others is just a very common trait among our species.

I totally agree with you there. Its also true that education causes major problems. I believe this one sick fellow killed thousandths of people in his own country just because they had an education. He would kill people if they had glasses (they looked educated). At the moment I have forgoten the name of the genocide. But it happened in the past 50 years.

What a terrible thing that has happened in London. I feel deeply sad for the victims and their families. These types of ruthless bombings must be stopped. What use can be gained from them? Do they not know that any more of this shit will only create rage from the public and therefore they are going to get their asses hunted down.

[Fuchs66]

Do they not know that any more of this shit will only create rage from the public and therefore they are going to get their asses hunted down.

but that is one of the aims of such acts, rage when without direction can have a deeply destabilising effect on a population and lead to more oppressed (through acts of blind revenge etc) Muslims joining the radical camp. The best action is carry on as normal (of course with increased care although in this day and age it is always good to be aware of your surroundings IMO)

Glad to hear the USAF has reversed this ridiculous decision, lets get on with our lives and hope that the police catch the bastards (as it seems they may have done/be near to doing in W. Yorks)

Edit: Typo

[Fuchs66]

I totally agree with you there. Its also true that education causes major problems. I believe this one sick fellow killed thousandths of people in his own country just because they had an education. He would kill people if they had glasses (they looked educated). At the moment I have forgoten the name of the genocide. But it happened in the past 50 years.

Pol Pot Cambodia? Maybe?

[Sturmtruppen]

Dam right my friend, Muslim ragheads are inflicting fear into the world but mostly anger, is it anger they want to accomplish or lives?, because life will live on and no matter how many bombs they explode they cannot stop the inevitable way of Life.

I was listening to my local radio station when i heard london was bombed and the broadcaster said "hitler should of killed the muslims instead of the jews in WW2 and we wouldn't have such a big muslim problem today.
Im afraid you`re spotting racism,hitler shouldn`t kill jews or muslims.

the muslims aren`t terrorists,al qaeda is a small portion of them.

and the jews aren`t saints.....
(PLEASE NOTE:im not discriminating jews,but they wanted to conquer the patagonia,by the plan Andinia).

[TexWiller]

Quote:
I totally agree with you there. Its also true that education causes major problems. I believe this one sick fellow killed thousandths of people in his own country just because they had an education. He would kill people if they had glasses (they looked educated). At the moment I have forgoten the name of the genocide. But it happened in the past 50 years.


Pol Pot Cambodia? Maybe?

you are right Fuchs66,i saw a documentary about this.

[Commando Jordovski]

Is it true there have been more threats to bomb London?
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[Commando Jordovski]

Also...just to make one thing clear, In the Past my family which IS Jewish had many problems with the Muslims which has been quite serious so you cant judge me just because what i think of them, though i have friends today that are muslim , i do not disregard or treat them poorly but like an equal average human being...That is God's wish.

[Crab_to_be]

The threat persists.

It looks unlikely that the bombers themselves had the expertise to acquire explosives and construct the devices. It's been suggested that the person(s) who manufactured the bombs is/are still around. All they need is another set of brainwashed people to carry the devices.

As for general bombing threats against London, it's nothing new. The suicide element is the new part. No specific threats have been made. In fact, it's not confirmed who is behind the bombing or what their demands are. Wait out for general rants about infidels, oppressions, glory of Allah, bullied palestinians and Salman Rushdie.

Gerry Adams has been kind enough to issue a statement on behalf of Sinn Fein expressing various solidarities and sympathies with victims of the London bombings. Aparently if the bomb is Irish made, then it's striking back at evil British oppressors when people are killed, but if it's not Irish then it's an atrocity. Cnut.

[Firefly]

Gerry Adams has been kind enough to issue a statement on behalf of Sinn Fein expressing various solidarities and sympathies with victims of the London bombings. Aparently if the bomb is Irish made, then it's striking back at evil British oppressors when people are killed, but if it's not Irish then it's an atrocity. Cnut.

Couldnt agree more.

[Pantera]

This is a "small third world war",if they one day use quimical,biological or nuclear weapons,we gone became in big troubles.It´s a SAD day to all of us,and to those who love freedom,we hope than some rules on immigration can be put in our country,there not enough room to so much immigrants.

[Sturmtruppen]

I would say that Education can lessen prejudice even if not racism.
prejudice by its very nature is the judgement of something not yet understood or experienced - and whilst I know semantics are frequently dismissed, Knowledge of a particular area or matter can help aleviate misconceptions.

In the UK at least, extremist nationalist parties and extrem socialist parties, all find their highest recruitment amongst the less well educated and less well off (unfortunately these two coincide.)

Eucation in a formal, academic or institutional manner might not prevent outlandish views, but a broader range of experience etc, does increase awareness and the like.

as Sandworm has said.

"Just my take"

Im agree with the guy with the medal :P

[LargeBrew]

I see that the white power wankers attacked a Hindu temple following the London bombings, maybe it was the same tossers that vandalised the home of a pediotrician during the News of The World's pedophile panic a year or so back.

[LargeBrew]

Re the lifting of the ban on US service personel, families and civillian workers entering Greater London. Yes George you may be the leader of the worlds last superpower and the most powerful man on the planet but if you try to tell women where they can and cannot shop, your going to get a shoeing

[Commando Jordovski]

I think what the terrorists are trying to do is inflict fear into the world showing them that they are capable of doing horrible things.

unfortunatly london at the moment is crawling with fear.

[Dani]

unfortunatly london at the moment is crawling with fear.

I don't think so! Remeber the differences in reactions between Madrid and London after such tragedies.

[Bluffcove]

Bearing in mind our monarch and several thousand people turned into the streets of London jsut shortly after the bombing I think we have shown that we are not afraid.

Our head of state stood in the back of an open topped limousine for a slow motorcade along an exposed roadway, Not to demonstrate courage, but purely because she had planned on doing it and no-one was going to change that plan!

(though i do wonder who and what was in that second Range Rover? 8) )

[Firefly]

I think what the terrorists are trying to do is inflict fear into the world showing them that they are capable of doing horrible things.

unfortunatly london at the moment is crawling with fear.

Hmm, dont agree with that. Look at London today - not crawling with fear I feel.

[Walther]

Bearing in mind our monarch and several thousand people turned into the streets of London jsut shortly after the bombing I think we have shown that we are not afraid.

Our head of state stood in the back of an open topped limousine for a slow motorcade along an exposed roadway, Not to demonstrate courage, but purely because she had planned on doing it and no-one was going to change that plan!

(though i do wonder who and what was in that second Range Rover? 8) )

slightly off topic, but WW2 related:

During the VE day celebrations this May I met a Canadian veteran of the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada. During the war he was a dispatch rider and a sergeant, doing mostly convoy duty in Britain (about 4 weeks before D-day he had a bad accident with his motorcycle and was still in hospital with broken bones on invasion day. When he recovered, the powers that be told him that he had to stay in Britain and train new dispatch riders as an instructor).
Back to the story:
One day he was guiding an American convoy of tractors pulling low loaders loaded with tanks northwards. Along the way they were suddenly ordered to drive off the road into the fields, because another convoy including a Dodge driven by an ATS girl, who later became your Queen, was passing southwards and since one of the drivers was the Royal princess, they had the right of way. The Canadian sergeant later had the problem to sort the thing out with the huge black American truck drivers "Their arms were bigger than my legs, no power steering back then!" , who were very pissed off that their heavy trucks and trailers got bogged down to the axles in the mud. The sergeant eventually told his lieutenant to drive to the next village and have a beer, while he would sort everything out. He normally got along quite well with the drivrs and after several hours of hard work, they got on the road again.

Your Queen sets her mind to do something, she will do it ;-)

Jan

[reiver]

I think what the terrorists are trying to do is inflict fear into the world showing them that they are capable of doing horrible things.

unfortunatly london at the moment is crawling with fear.

If you think that, have a look here :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/11/nve11.xml

Less than a week after the attacks...crawling with fear?

(It's worth clicking on the " In pictures: The nation remembers " link too)

[2nd of foot]

Bearing in mind our monarch and several thousand people turned into the streets of London jsut shortly after the bombing I think we have shown that we are not afraid.

Our head of state stood in the back of an open topped limousine for a slow motorcade along an exposed roadway, Not to demonstrate courage, but purely because she had planned on doing it and no-one was going to change that plan!

(though i do wonder who and what was in that second Range Rover? 8) )

slightly off topic, but WW2 related:

During the VE day celebrations this May I met a Canadian veteran of the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada. During the war he was a dispatch rider and a sergeant, doing mostly convoy duty in Britain (about 4 weeks before D-day he had a bad accident with his motorcycle and was still in hospital with broken bones on invasion day. When he recovered, the powers that be told him that he had to stay in Britain and train new dispatch riders as an instructor).
Back to the story:
One day he was guiding an American convoy of tractors pulling low loaders loaded with tanks northwards. Along the way they were suddenly ordered to drive off the road into the fields, because another convoy including a Dodge driven by an ATS girl, who later became your Queen, was passing southwards and since one of the drivers was the Royal princess, they had the right of way. The Canadian sergeant later had the problem to sort the thing out with the huge black American truck drivers "Their arms were bigger than my legs, no power steering back then!" , who were very pissed off that their heavy trucks and trailers got bogged down to the axles in the mud. The sergeant eventually told his lieutenant to drive to the next village and have a beer, while he would sort everything out. He normally got along quite well with the drivrs and after several hours of hard work, they got on the road again.

Your Queen sets her mind to do something, she will do it ;-)

Jan

This was probably due to the number of accidents involving US Army drivers and locals. Major Howard’s military career was ended after being hospitalised by a US Army driver on the wrong side of the road.

[Bladensburg]

One of my grandfathers was a Sapper during the war doing bomb disposal and I can remember some of his frankly hair raising account of driving flat out down a road to get to a shout and discovering a US convoy coming straight at him on the wrong side of the road. :shock:

[Gen. Sandworm]

One of my grandfathers was a Sapper during the war doing bomb disposal and I can remember some of his frankly hair raising account of driving flat out down a road to get to a shout and discovering a US convoy coming straight at him on the wrong side of the road. :shock:

You mean that he was on the correct side of the road. Sorry you all do everything backasswards then everyone else. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Firefly]

One of my grandfathers was a Sapper during the war doing bomb disposal and I can remember some of his frankly hair raising account of driving flat out down a road to get to a shout and discovering a US convoy coming straight at him on the wrong side of the road. :shock:

You mean that he was on the correct side of the road. Sorry you all do everything backasswards then everyone else. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LOL, the only time Ive ever driven on the wrong side of the road was in the UK. Was home on leave and just went into Germany mode. Oh what a prat I was, driving along the Promenade near my home straight towards the bin Lorry........ And I was thinking, what is this git doing, only thing was, I was the Git!

[Crab_to_be]

Both countries drive on the right side of the road. It just depends in which meaning you use for 'right' ;)

[reiver]

One of my grandfathers was a Sapper during the war doing bomb disposal and I can remember some of his frankly hair raising account of driving flat out down a road to get to a shout and discovering a US convoy coming straight at him on the wrong side of the road. :shock:

You mean that he was on the correct side of the road. Sorry you all do everything backasswards then everyone else. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My dear chap,
we drive, naturally, so that one's sword arm is nearest the oncoming fella.
How else would one do it?
Chap might be a cad, or worse...it could be I.....n :twisted:

[Bladensburg]

Is there any truth to the story Americans (and continentals) only drive on the right because Napoleon had a fit of anti-English pique and decreed it so?
EDIT: Another theory is that Henry Ford thought that Americans would be unable to change gear with their left hands (before they got lazy and all had crappy automatics :twisted: .

Traditionaly everyone rode on the left for three reasons: Firstly so that the weapon arm (usually the right) would be towards oncoming traffic. Secondly because the scabbard hung on the left for ease of draw - meaning that riders must mount from the left and having mounted they just proceeded onwards down the left side of the road. Thirdly holding a weapon (or anything else) in the right hand leaves you the left to hold the reins and even with the best schooled horse it's easier to steer it to the left that the right.

Edited to add: In theory far more people drive on the left that the right - not only Britain, Australia, NZ and Japan but also the whole Indian subcontinent. Don't know about China and Indonesia though...

[Firefly]

China drives oin the right, and I know this is way off topic but this is an informative little site about driving on which side and why etc:

http://www.brianlucas.ca/roadside/

[Bluffcove]

Driving on the right mean that on a trap or cart (OO-ar Im west country can you tell!) the whip does not enter the oncoming carriageway when held in the right hand!

However if you are leading horses whilst on foot the bridle would be held in the left hand so that you could eat turnips and drink cider roll fags open gates and wave at farm wenches, with your right hand. With the horse on your left it made sense to walk on the right facing hte oncoming traffic.

I be simple, but makes sense to me like, "alright my lover". (pronounced - oyt moy uvvur!

[2nd of foot]

Saw something about the Czechs driving on the left till the Nazis invaded.

how ae railways layed out in the US?

[Firefly]

Even more off topic, the standard UK railway gauge is the size of two horses arses wide.

[Cuts]

Even more off topic, the standard UK railway gauge is the size of two horses arses wide.

Is that why it's called a 'double Ironman' ?

[Bluffcove]

Careful this thread doesnt need the attention of the worlds most retarded ingrate! - doutless it will do though.

Firefly, I also read that the width of the railways (when passed over to America) dictate the diameter that the booster rockets on the shuttle can be, (for transport to canavarel) and that therefore to carry enough fuel it dictates the length of the booster rockets. which in turn affects the dimensions of the fuel tank that the Shuttle rides on. The worlds most iconic image was dictated by a Horses arrse!

Much too far off topic for this thread? !!! (is anything too far off topic here)

[Firefly]

Well heres the theory.

Romans built the british road to take chariot types.

Britons remained using these roads, and as Roman Chariots etc were two horses asses wide, the ruts were used by the Brits in subsequent years.

When it came to build the railways, they chose a standard horse and cart gauge.

Voila, two horses arses.

Im not ironman, so I may be proved wrong, but an interesting fact nonetheless.

[Dani]

Thursday, July 21, 2005; Posted: 8:36 a.m. EDT (12:36 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Emergency services personnel are attending three different Tube stations in central London following reports of "incidents," police said on Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/21/london.tube/index.html

[Dani]

Worrying news update:
Thursday, July 21, 2005; Posted: 10:29 a.m. EDT (14:29 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Four "attempts at explosions" have been reported on three London Underground stations and a bus, two weeks after the July 7 terror attacks, the UK capital's police chief has said.

[reiver]

Worrying news update:
Thursday, July 21, 2005; Posted: 10:29 a.m. EDT (14:29 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Four "attempts at explosions" have been reported on three London Underground stations and a bus, two weeks after the July 7 terror attacks, the UK capital's police chief has said.

Two scenarios being mentioned.
One, that they were real bombs, but only the detonators went off, in one case injuring the "bomber".
Two, that they were low-level devices, basically just detonators, to cause fear rather than kill.
Time will tell, but most of the underground is back in business.

[2nd of foot]

Worrying news update:
Thursday, July 21, 2005; Posted: 10:29 a.m. EDT (14:29 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Four "attempts at explosions" have been reported on three London Underground stations and a bus, two weeks after the July 7 terror attacks, the UK capital's police chief has said.

Two scenarios being mentioned.
One, that they were real bombs, but only the detonators went off, in one case injuring the "bomber".


Someone didn’t get the recipe right it would seem.

[Cuts]

......

One, that they were real bombs, but only the detonators went off, in one case injuring the "bomber".

......

Great an own goal !
I hope and imagine the injured gangster is 'helping police with their enquiries.'

[pdf27]

Great an own goal !
I hope and imagine the injured gangster is 'helping police with their enquiries.'
Was he injured by the bomb or the other tube users?

[Gen. Sandworm]

......

One, that they were real bombs, but only the detonators went off, in one case injuring the "bomber".

......

Great an own goal !
I hope and imagine the injured gangster is 'helping police with their enquiries.'

Its probably the brother of that one dumbass that got caught trying to set his shoe on fire. Of course it did have a small explosive in it. Sounds like AQ rejects to me.

[festamus]

It seems that today (Friday) some Met officers have pushed a fleeing suspect to the ground and unloaded 5 rounds into him. Must have suspected he might be carrying explosive to do that.

[pdf27]

It seems that today (Friday) some Met officers have pushed a fleeing suspect to the ground and unloaded 5 rounds into him. Must have suspected he might be carrying explosive to do that.
Probably London Underground's latest campaign against fare dodgers. The guy did leap over the barrier and run for a train after all...

[South African Military]

It seems that today (Friday) some Met officers have pushed a fleeing suspect to the ground and unloaded 5 rounds into him. Must have suspected he might be carrying explosive to do that.

:?: So they got the guy on the ground and then fired 5 rounds?

[LargeBrew]

I'm not always happy with Police drills but given the circumstances in London at the moment if you fail to stop and drop five to the head is what you can expect. From what I've read so far the shooter was possibly part of a Special Branch team shadowing the target who jumped on to a crowded train.
In his position I would rather live with the regret of killing an unarmed man than that of failing to prevent a suicide bomber hitting his target.

[reiver]

It seems that today (Friday) some Met officers have pushed a fleeing suspect to the ground and unloaded 5 rounds into him. Must have suspected he might be carrying explosive to do that.

:?: So they got the guy on the ground and then fired 5 rounds?

The Met have been taking advice from Israeli security.
Usual Brit police ROEs for shooting a fugitive are to "shoot to stop", ie shooting for the centre of body mass, the chest.
Israelis have pointed out that, in their experience, even a guy hit several times in the chest may be able to trigger a suicide bomb, so the only option is one or more head shots.
One eye-witness to the shooting claimed the man was wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out of it".

[student-scaley]

Hey guys i'm back!
The bombs scared the cr*p out of me, they were less than 200 yards from my unit, we had to go back from camp the next morning, saw some of the aftermath, i pray i don't see it again.

[Tubbyboy]

Hey guys i'm back!
The bombs scared the cr*p out of me, they were less than 200 yards from my unit, we had to go back from camp the next morning, saw some of the aftermath, i pray i don't see it again.

I know what you mean mate, if you never have to deal with the aftermath of violent acts of this sort you are truly luckier than you can ever imagine.

From my (compared with certain others on here) limited experience of the aftermath of warfare and terrorism, I can honestly say that the worst thing about it is seeing the sights of carnage and bloodshed that will always follow.

Seeing another human being in pieces is never a pleasant sight and is something that will stay with you until you die. You can never fully detach your feelings to the point where the casualty is just a piece of meat although it would be easier sometimes.

My thoughts go out to the emergency services personnel. They (as usual) did a fantastic job.

[Commando Jordovski]

So from now on do the London police (english police) authorised the have pistols and other projectile weapons?

[BDL]

Certain members of the British police have carried firearms for many years CJ, usually Glock 9mm pistols and MP5 sub-machine guns, although they can carry other weapon as the situation dictates. The average policeman on the beat does not carry firearms, only a truncheon and pepper spray.

[Man of Stoat]

Certain members of the British police have carried firearms for many years CJ, usually Glock 9mm pistols and MP5 sub-machine guns, although they can carry other weapon as the situation dictates. The average policeman on the beat does not carry firearms, only a truncheon and pepper spray.

Technically, under British law, the pepper spray is a Section 5 firearm (i.e. a prohibited weapon). This is why us proles are not permitted them!

[festamus]

Update for those who don't watch the news often: All four of the second group of bombers are now believed to be in custody. One was nabbed earlier in the week, and then today two in London and one in Rome, Italy.

[Bluffcove]

I was out of the country when most of this happenend.

The Brazilian bloke turns out to have been an innocent bystander, though he was an illegal immigrant and thus....................... ran from the police, evidently not the brightest penny in the pocket to sprint into an underground station when shown a warrant by police in view of recent events.

Its good to see that the cells are being traced even if not closed and remarkably fortunate that Suicide bombers do not have "escape" or "exfiltration" plans.

Even better that having been attacked on two thursdays out of three, their were dawn raids at another set of addresses early this thursday, Bearing in mind that those arrested with tasers etc were not part of the earlier bombing investigations one can only surmise what lead the police to want to detain them

Pass me the Bacofoil Bowler!

[South African Military]

I think that the family of the guy who was shot, is suing the police!?