Spanish Forces in WW2

[Natxo]

Ok. The Spanish army didn´t fought in the war, but we send men for the Blue Division, his real name was 250 infantry division (spanish). The gobernment send troops becausea lot of peoplewantedto fight against Russia,which had helped the Republicans during our Civil war.

There were spaniards in the free french forces, and in the Red forces.

There were also spaniards in the british army.

The most important battle in which the Blue Division was involved was the battle of Krasny Bor (10th February 1943)

Onthe othern side, the first compnyentering Paris was called "la novena", (the 9th),and wasaspanish coy. of the Leclerc´s forces.

Ther were also a great amount of Spaniards at Bir-Hackeim.

[Dani]

Spanish fought also in Luftwaffe?

Edited: Blue squadron?
It seems an interesting book:
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=Q3593~ser=MAA~per=47

[Natxo]

The Blue Squadron was equiped with Bf-109 and Fw-190 planes. There were plans for a bomber unit wich never went ahead. Against the voluntaries of the ground forces, the pilots where members of the Spanish Air Force, with experience in combat during our Civil War.

[Dani]

What about Spaniards on the Allied side?
Were they individuals or units?

[Natxo]

There were a great amount of Spaniards in the French Foreign Legion. Some of them were at Norway, France, North of Africa, Middle East, and France again. There were no great units. Just companies and the so called Guernica Battalion,wich was a french battalion formed with basque nationalist. A great amount of Spanish soldiers were also in the Franc Corps of Africa.

[Natxo]

In the Red Army. They were individuals and really small units. There were pilots, soldiers( there was a monument at Stalingrad for an spanish soldier)and officers. Some Republican Generals, like Líster, were used as experts and public symbols and were promoted to generalsat theRed Army, Yugoslav Army and Polish Army. I don´t know anybody with such an account of ranks.

[Walther]

Probably individuals as refugees from fascism. Many republican soldiers left Spain in spring 1939 for Russia, when Franco's troops finaly captured Catalunia. Of these many fought in the Red Army. Most of the republicans, who managed to escape into France though were interned by the French government and later handed over to the German (ending up in concentration camps) by the Vichy government.
AFAIK, though the 13e Demibrigade REI of the French Foreign Legion consisted for a big part of anti fascist survivors of the Spanish civil war and therefore joined De Gaulle's free French right away to fight for the Allies.

Many of those who escaped to Britain tried to join the British forces, but were rejected as politically suspect and in some countries (Netherlands) even imprisoned.
The highest rank a veteran of the international brigades could reach in the British Army during WW2 was corporal, no matter what his experience and qualifications were.

Jan

[Dani]

Spanish WW2 medals:
http://users.skynet.be/hendrik/eng/39spain.html

[Natxo]

Another unit in the German service was the Blue Legion, instituted after the disolution of the division.

There are also acounts by a "Mayor Ezquerra" who was ina special operations unit formed by spanish soldiers during the Battle ofthe Bulge, a who ended the war fighting in Berlin.

[Sturmtruppen]

blue division troops
http://www.eaec.org/images/newsletter/Blue%20Division.jpg

mark of blue division:
http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/1939/images/Blue_Division_emblem.gif
blue division volunteer:
http://www.silentwall.com/Heer55.jpg

blue squadron:
http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/1939/images/blue_squadron.gif

blue legion:
http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/1939/images/blue_legion.jpg

a great page about spain during ww2 is:
http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/1939/spanish_in_ww2.htm

[Sturmtruppen]

the site says that there were 4 units for the axis and 6 for the allies,so,spanish helped more the allies.

tenes alguna pagina de la division azul en español natxo?

gracias.
erwin

[Dani]

Quoted from: http://www.feldgrau.com/InfDiv.php?ID=163

Beginning:
The 250.Infanterie-Division was formed in Spain during the last week of June 1941, immediately after the German attack on the Soviet Union. The unit was an offical Spanish sponsered formation created to partially repay the debt owed Germany for its vitally important assistance during the Spanish Civil War during 1936-1939. It was formed with Spanish volunteers from across Spain who flocked en masse to serve in the unit, originally named simply the Spanish Division of Volunteers, or more properly, Division Espanola de Voluntarios (DEV). The division was exclusively a foreign volunteer unit, designed for service within the German Wehrmacht, but to consist soley of Spaniards and to be led soley by Spanish officers.

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Ending:
Finally, on October 5th and 6th, 1943, the division was ordered to fall back from its positions. Between October 6th and 12th, 1943, the division was relieved by the 81.Infanterie-Division and the 123.Infanterie-Division. The division was transfered to the region of Volosovo where soon after it was ordered to return to Spain, leaving in its place the Spanish Legion, a battalion-sized unit consisting of about 1,500 Spanish troops that choose not to return to Spain but to instead continue fighting the Soviets. The first troops began to arrive back in Spain on October 29th, 1943. The division had seen nearly 50,000 men serve within its ranks over the period of more than two years at or near the front, and 12,726 men had become casualties while in its service.

Also check: http://www.feldgrau.com/spain.html

[Natxo]

Well, it was sponsored by the fascist party, "Falange", and officially the gobernment don´t wanted to send troops. In fact, the officers came from the army, but the ranks came fron the fascist militias. "The name División española de voluntarios" was the official one, but everybody used that of Blue Division.
The people who went to Russia believed the motto "Rusia tiene la culpa", "Russia is guilty", which tells that the communist gobernment was
responsible for the long civil war.

http://www.rumbos.net/cancionero/4245_002.htm
This are songs from "Falange" and from the Blue Division.

http://www.fundaciondivisionazul.org/
This is the web of the Blue Division Foundation. I´m sorry but it´s in spanish.

http://usuarios.lycos.es/christianlr/01d51a93a50f9c311/01d51a93f30063514.html
This is also in spanish.

http://militar.org/divazul.htm
Here are links to other interesting webs, some inenglish about the Blue Division.

I Have known only a few men who went to Russia, but all of them went because they thought that it was the correct choose. They were not nazis, and they had good relations with the russian population. I know about one russian woman who offered her house to the men who went to visit a cementery in Russia some years ago; she was a girl during the war but she remembered the spanish soldiers.

[Natxo]

“Es difícil poder imaginar a soldados más valientes. A duras penas se ponen a cubierto, desafían a la muerte. Sé, en todo caso, que nuestros hombres están contentos cuando tienen a los españoles por vecinos.”

ADOLF HITLER.

[Sturmtruppen]

“Es difícil poder imaginar a soldados más valientes. A duras penas se ponen a cubierto, desafían a la muerte. Sé, en todo caso, que nuestros hombres están contentos cuando tienen a los españoles por vecinos.”

ADOLF HITLER.

:D ,valerosos hombres los del ejercito español y el aleman,yo no se que hubiera pasado si españa se introducia en el eje.Tal vez las cosas hubieran sido mejores para Hitler.

[pdf27]

Incidentally, Spanish Civil War veterans were in great demand during the set up of the LDV/Home Guard in the UK in summer 1940, on the grounds they had actually fought the Germans. The enthusiasm for this dropped off once the Home Guard got proper weapons and training, but a bunch of Anarchist refugees were surprisingly popular for a few weeks ;)

[Walther]

Both George Orwell and the former commander of the British Battalion in the International Brigades, Capt. Tom Wintringham set up training centers for resistance fighters and guerillas to fight the German invaders.
After the battle of Britain though, their activities were soon curbed by the British government, which was afraid of armed leftwingers.

Jan

[adleos]

“Es difícil poder imaginar a soldados más valientes. A duras penas se ponen a cubierto, desafían a la muerte. Sé, en todo caso, que nuestros hombres están contentos cuando tienen a los españoles por vecinos.”

ADOLF HITLER.

:D ,valerosos hombres los del ejercito español y el aleman,yo no se que hubiera pasado si españa se introducia en el eje.Tal vez las cosas hubieran sido mejores para Hitler.

I don't think so. Spain had just "finished" a civil war and its economy was not so good. There was an attempt made by dictator Franco to fully involve Spain in WwII at Hendaya (Basque Country) and Hitler was not silly to let Spain join the axis. If Spain had joined the axis, it would have happened the same that happened with Italy: no money, no well-made plans :arrow: surrender.


The Republican forces joined the British Army willing to reconquer Spain after liberating France. They wanted to fight Fascism and Nazism but the Allied Commanders didn't want to go to Spain, not more war.
The First tanks entering Paris were named with Spanish Civil War Battles' names and were driven by Spanish soldiers.

[Natxo]

:shock:
Excuse me, but common history (that written by spanis, english, german... writers) tell another version.
It´s true that a great amount of spaniards fought with the allies.

It´s not true that Franco wanted to enter the war. Hitler got really angry after the Hendaya interview.

Hitler was in fact needing allies, soldiers for new divisions, Gibraltar straight closed...

[Dani]

http://visantain.iespana.es/voluntariosesp.htm
In Spanish

[Panzerknacker]

Some aditional info:

http://axis101.bizland.com/SpanishFeldpost2.htm

[Panzerknacker]

A funny video of Division Azul in 1943.

http://www.wochenschau-archiv.de/kontrollklfenster.php?&PHPSESSID=&dmguid=08E92C0055BA58DF030103009D21A8C06B09000000&inf=591280&outf=655040&funktion=play250k


:rolleyes:

[Panzerknacker]

The Blue Div at War , part I:


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1554/pag1xf7.jpg


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2426/pag2mo3.jpg


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7360/pag3bj3.jpg


http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/64/pag4ms2.jpg

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Part II.


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http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9206/35314281tq1.jpg



http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/108/82169684za7.jpg


1943 was not the end of the history however, some spanish unit and volunteer continue the fight till 1945, in the battle of Narva for example the spanish were regarded among one of the best axis defenders.


Private, Inf div 250th , USSR june 1942

http://worldwar2.free.fr/uniforme82.jpg


TEXT: Scans of : "Foreing Legions of the Whermacht, Vol II" by David Littlejhon.

[Natxo]

Hello
About the Alcalá Gate, it´s not the Alcalá de Henares, this is a village, it´s just Alcalá Gate.

After the departure of the Blue Division, some spaniards organized the Blue Legion, which continued fighting for the Germans untill the end, in Berlin.

[Panzerknacker]

Gracias Natxo.

Angel Salas Larrazabal spanish Ace is the USSR:

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/larrazab1.jpg

<H1 style="MARGIN: auto 0cm; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center>Angel Salas Larrazabal - A Fighter Ace in Two Wars.

Written by Santiago A. Flores (floresbgkiddo@earthlink.net).



INTRODUCTION

DURING World War II, the Nationalist government of General Francisco Franco Bahanmonde decided to send a volunteer force to fight on the Russian front in a way to repay the assistance that Germany and Italy had given him during the Spanish Civil War 1936-1939.

A complete infantry division was raised with a fighter squadron “Escuadrilla” to provide protection to the “Division Azul”. But in the actual fighting the division and the squadrons would fight in different areas of the Russian front. The Spanish pilots would even had encounters with the Free French pilots, of the “Normandie-Niemen” fighter regiment.

A Spanish Legion was formed in place of the Division to continue the fight against the Russians, but even this Legion was eventually recalled home, leaving a number of Spanish volunteers that fought in the German SS until the end of the war.


As for the Spanish squadrons, they received their training in Germany and later in France, they would first fly the BF-109E, F and G models and the FW-190A-3. These Spanish “Escuadrillas” would fly as part of the JG27 and JG51 in Russia. A total of 659 Spanish air force personnel would serve in these units.

During the course of their stay in Russia the Spanish pilots would claim the destruction of about 163 Russian aircraft and 12 pilots scoring 5 or more victories. On the debit side a total of between 24-25 pilots including ground personnel would lose their lives, some posted as missing in action, while one pilot was taken POW, only to return back to Spain in April 1954.



EL COMANDANTE SALAS



At the start of the Civil War, now Captain Salas, defected to the Nationalist side in a Breguet XIX general purpose biplane. During the course of the civil was, he flew the De Havilland Dragoon, and later fighters like the Nieuport Ni-52, Heinkel He-51 and the Fiat CR-32 biplane fighters.

He became one of the original members of the “Patrulla Azul” led by Joaquin Garcia Morato ( who finnish the war as the top scoring pilot with 40 claimed victories). Salas flew Fiat CR.32 No. 3-61 (c/n.111) he later became commander of 2-G-3 in September 1937.

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Salas was one of two pilots who would claim four kills in a single combat, the other was the German Oblt. Wilhelm Balthasar of 2./J88 claimed four SB-2’s on February 7, 1938.

At the end of the war Salas had flown 618 missions, 1,215 fight hours, was involved in 49 aerial combats, he was shot-down four times. But to his credit he had destroyed 48 vehicules and was credited with shooting down 16 Republican aircraft and shared one.

After the war he served in the following positions commander of the 21st fighter regiment and chief of the 4th section of the Estado Mayor.
He volunteer and was designated as the commander of the 1a. Escuadrilla Azul, (Escuadrilla Expedicionaria) that was formed with 17 pilots, some veterans of the civil war, with thier combined score totaled 79 aerial victories.

The unit crossed into France on July 24, 1941, later arriving in Germany in late part of the month, they were assigned to training at the Jagdfliegerrschule 1 at Werneuchen near Berlin, after completing their training on the BF-109E’s, the 1o.Escuadrilla left for Russia on September 26, 1941. At first the Spanish pilots were worried that they would arrive late to see any action, since they were kept informed of the progress of the German advance towards Moscu.



The 1/o.Escuadrilla received a total of 12 BF-109E-4 and –7’s’s and they were assigned to JG 27 VIII FliegerKorps of LuftFlotte 2. They were known as the “15 Spanische Staffel”, and they started to fly their first combat operations October 2nd , 1941 and suffering its first pilot in that same day. Escorting German bombers and reconnaissance aircraft, they operated from 12 different airfields, On October 4th, the Escuadrilla Azul score its first aerial victories, when Cmdte. Salas opens the score board with the destruction of one I-16 fighter and a Pe-2 as he described in his after combat report:

I saw coming 6 Pe-2 and I went after them, cutting the distance between us I found myself below I opened fire from 150 meters with my small machine and much closer with my canons, I saw pieces jump from the aircraft after the second burst, it occupant taking to his parachute. Later I continue towards Cholm to join up with the group and see a “Rata” I attack him in a turn while trying to flee in a fast dive that rips his left wing and he crashes near the confluence between Dnieper and Wjasna. Later I attack twice another “Rata” with no effects.


On October 7th, the Escuadrilla undertakes 42 sorties and in the course of the day Cmdte. Salas shot-down an “I-18” for his third personal and unit victory. Days later on the 13th, two of Salas pilots shoot-down a Biplane and another “I-18” fighter. On the next day Salas in the company with three other pilots in a “free hunt” near Kalinin surprise three DB-3 bombers in the resulting combat Salas downs two, while Capt.

Carlos Bayo Alessandri destroys the third DB-3, but during the heat of the combat Salas and Bayo collide resulting in Salas BF-109’s rudder being partially destroyed but he made back to base. But during this combat Cmdte.

Salas became the first Spanish pilot to become an “Ace” in the skies of Russia.

On the 25th,Salas with two other pilots destroyed on the ground three “I-18” Soviet fighters at the airfield of Klin. On the 27th, Salas during an combat between five Spanish pilot and reportedly 10 “I-18” fighters shot-down another “DB-3” bomber for his sixth personal and the 10th victory for the Spanish squadron.

On November 4th, Cmdte. Salas is force to land between German and Russian lines during an aerial combat, he was rescued the next day by German troops and returned to the squadron.

In the later part of November Cmdte. Salas reportedly shot-down an Russian biplane for his 7th personal victory, but there is some confusion, as his this kill was actually a ground victory, since in the listing of victories by the Escuadrilla Salas is listed with 6 aerial and 2 ground victories. That would end the score card for the 1/o.Escuadrilla Azul. For the remainder of their stay in Russia, they would continue fighting, flying escort mission, ground attacks etc, etc. but sustaining losses to it pilots.


The 1/o.Escuadrilla Azul receive the orders to return to Spain on January 6th, 1942. during their time in Russia the unit flew a total of 460 missions, engaged in 94 aerial combats and destroyed 10 enemy aircraft plus four on the ground, for the lost of 5 pilots (one KIFA, three WIA and one KIA) plus one wounded in action.

He passed away on April 26, 1991.


http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/larrazabal/larrazabal.htm

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A weird tank desing, the spanish "Carro de combate Verdeja", in here in comparative test against captured T-26.


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[Panzerknacker]

continue from above....

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[Panzerknacker]

continue from above.

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Scans Revista Armas nº 281.

[Walther]

Panzerknacker,

The history of the Spanish civil war is a bit more complicated.
At first you'll have to understand how divided Spanish society was up to the 1930s.
While you had modern industry and commerce, with the connected trade union movement in the north, mainly Catalunia, the Basque country and Asturias, Western, rural central and southern Spain were essentially stuck in the 18th century with absolutely ruling landlords, being supported by reactionary Catholic priests and the hate Guardia civil paramilitary police, against a huge number of impoverished and uneducated farm labourers.
At the beginning of the war the Stalinists of the PCE had actually very few followers. The Republican government consisted mostly of centrist liberals, plus a few socialists of the PSOE, while most of the workers and farm hands were organised in anarchist trade unions of the CNT-FAI. Then there existed a small, but intellectually very vocal Trotzkist party, the POUM (which's militia Orwell later joined btw.). Additionally there existed various regional interests and political groups, like in the Basque country or in Catalunia.

When the generals staged the coup in 1936, the Republican government was afraid to arm the population, but in several provinces the coupists were defeated by the population which got armed from illegal armouries of mainly the anarchists.
Also parts of the military refused to join the coup, like most of the navy and the airforce, plus parts of the army (in many cases the soldiers, once they knew what was going on, rebelled against their plotting officers, like in Madrid, were some artillerists provided the cannons to attack the Casa Del Campo barracks in Madrid). Plus, while the rural Guardia Civil was largely supporting the coup, the government was supported by the Guardia de Assalto, another armed police force.

The coupists were on the other hand supported by a national-revoluntionary movement (similar to the SA in Germany), the Falange under Primo de Rivera and the Carlists from Navarra, who wanted to restore a Habsburg monarchy and were extremely Catholic.
At the beginning the coup was lead by a junta of five generals (mostly Africanistas, this means a kind of brotherhood from fighting the colonial war in Morrocco in the 1920s) with the aim to make exiled former General Sanjurjo the new dictator. But Sanjurjo got killed in an aircraft accident when he tried to fly back into Spain from Portugal.

The coup ran soon into serious difficulties, mainly due to the refusal of the navy to join the coup. The at this time stronest force in Spain were the Spanish foreign legion and the colonial troops from the colony in Morrocco, which were lead by a young general named Franco and intensely loyal to him, got stuck in Northern Africa. An editor of the conservative Spanish magazine ABC approached a German businessman who then through Göring contacted Hitler and manged to provide Ju-52 (mostly commandeered from Luft Hansa) to set up an airlift to fly the troops acros the mainland Spain.

The Spanish government approached other European governments for help. The only government which tried to support them was the French one under Leon Blum, but conservative circles and the British government threatened to intervene, because they were at this time afraid to provoke Germany. Also, the British government was afraid of the revolutionary rethoric (again moszly anarchist) from the various militias in Spain. Also acts of revenge and attrocities by militias against e.g. land owners and the Roman Catholic church made them wary (though the fascist militias acted more or less the same against trade unionists etc. in their zone of occupation, evidence of fascist massacres and mass graves is only coming to light in Spain during the last few years. Investigations and research in these matters was always postponed out of a fear to rekindle the civil war).

Now the only two countries openly supporting Republican Spain were the Soviet Union and Mexico.
Obviously Mexico did not have the capacities to support Spain a lot, so almost all support came from Russia. Stalin used his influence to excert pressure on the Republican government, to accept Soviet "advisers" and NKVD officers, plus moving members of the PCE into important government positions, while at the same time, behind the frontline, starting with stalinist purges, mainly aimed against the Trotzkist POUM and the anarchists. This lead to a civil war within the civil war
( See as examples "Breu Historia de la guerra civil a Catalunya", ISBN 84-297-5746-5 or Antony Beevor "La Guerra Civil Espanola" ISBN 84-8432-665-3 or Hugh Thomas "The Spanish Civil War", or about the purges George Orwell "Homage to Catalonia", there are lots of serious books about this topic). Stalin also made the Republic pay for the help, e.g. the republican government move Spain's gold reserves by ship to Russia for safekeeping, where they disappeared.

In meantime France and Britain managed to convince the League of Nations to issue an embargo on Spain, which was then to be enforced by the German and Italian navies. This meant that while italy and Germany were free to provide assistance to Franco, (who after Sanjurjo's death became the leader of the coupists), while ships aiming for republican ports were stopped or sunk (including British freighers).

Hitler made Franco pay for the support as well, e.g. a large part of the Asturian coal mines were handed over to a German owned trust, which was headed by the businessman who organised the airlift for Franco.

After Franco's victory spain was bled out and Franco, as a trained general, recognised how stupid Hitler's plans were, so he refused to let the German troops cross Spain to attack Gibraltar.
On the other hand he had to give Hitler a gift.
He sent the Division Azul, which was mainly made up of Falangists. Now, after the end of the civil war the Falangists made demands to Franco to nationalise big landholdings and factories and to carry out social reforms, essentially what Röhm's SA wanted from Hitler after 1933. Now Franco was extremely reactionary, siding with the old elite, and used the Division Azul to get rid of the troublemakers.

Jan

[Egorka]

Guys, I have not read this thread much. so forgive it has ben mentioned.

Have you heard about the dispute between Poland and Spain about the Polish fighters in the Spanish civil war?
Here is the English link: http://www.eurotopics.net/en/presseschau/archiv/aehnliche/archiv_article/ARTICLE15629?EUTOPICS=00c4894f73fcaf3bf44a3c475bc9 a583

Here is the Spanish one: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Senado/defiende/brigadistas/comunistas/polacos/repudiados/pais/elpepuint/20070323elpepinac_12/Tes

[Walther]

The Spanish offer a honourary citizenship to foreigner who fought on the republican side during the civil war.
Many volunteers were recruited through the various international communist parties and fought then in the International Brigades. the IB were controlled by the communists, but not everybody who joined them was a communist and they kept largely out of the purges and did their work fighting on the front line.
There were a few hardcore stalinists in them, e.g. the later head of state of east germany Ulbricht served a a political commisar, or a particularly nasty piece of work was the commander of the IB, a French communist named Andre Marty, a true paranoiac in the best stalinist tradition, who was responsible for the execution of many International Brigadists as "spies".
Most of the members and especially field commanders of the IB units (not the politicos in the capital !) were too independently minded, and after the defeat, when many of the survivors escaped to Russia, they were hunted down by the NKVD and killed in Siberian prison camps.

Jan

[Walther]

Addition to post #33:

Of course there are some people for whom anybody who fought for the Spanish Republic is a criminal. I suspect that the current government of Poland would have, at least secretly praised Franco and his junta as savious of the Catholic faith.

Jan

[Panzerknacker]

Walther you are correct, I shouldt not post that picture because is inviting to a messy political debate ( wich was not the intention of this thread) Deleted.

[Panzerknacker]

Two more images of the Verdeja AFV,:

V1, with the turret in the rear and the engine at front:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4966/escanear00030ja9uf.jpg


http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/spain/Spa-Verdeja1.jpg



V2, with the turret amidship:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8923/escanear00018ca5tg.jpg


Apart from the 45mm gun (derivated of the russian 45 At gun) the tank carried 3 locally built Mgs with 3650 rounds of 7mm ammo.

[Panzerknacker]

And yet more pictures of this tank, this is the V2 in the actual display near the city of Toledo. The original tracks were replaced with M-113 tracks.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4624/verdeja23qz2.jpg



http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7728/verdeja25st2.jpg



http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1848/verdeja26ct2.jpg



http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4606/verdeja2dk3.jpg



www.elgrancapitan.org

[Natxo]

The Verdeja was an interesting vehicle.
The idea of placing the engine at the front is now diplayed by the israeli Merkava, with great success. The armor plate and the main gun were enough for the time (just before the WWII), but it was atoo small tank and with the development producedduring the war, it became an old design.
It´s a pity that it never enteres production, due to the poor industrial capability of Spain.

[Panzerknacker]

I think that there was also some bad politics involved.

España bought some Pz IV ausf G in 1943, 20 or 24 tanks, not sure.

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/spain/Spa-PzKpfw4.jpg

[Natxo]

Yes, there is still one of them in the tank museum in Madrid.
These were great tanks at the time they were bought. At the end, we sold them to Syria and they fought in the Golan heights against really superior israely´s Centurions.

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From the Ejercito site:


In 1944, 20 units of the Ausf. H. version arrived by rail in Spain. As the most modern tank of the moment, they all came to the recently created Armoured Division "Brunete" and finally they were grouped together in two Companies of the 61st Regiment "Alcázar de Toledo". Later they passed on to Cavalry Regiments and finally 17 were sold to Syria, which used them in the Seven Days War.



16/06/2006 Instituto de Historia y Cultura Militar
EL IHCM REFLOTA UN “PANZER” DEL AÑO 1944


El IHCM reflota un “Panzer” del año 1944
Bajo la dirección y coordinación del Instituto de Historia y Cultura Militar la empresa SPA-MIR, dedicada a la reconstrucción de vehículos acorazados de combate, ha puesto en marcha un carro Panzer IV, KPFW-IV H.

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El carro, adquirido por España a Alemania durante el año 1944, estuvo en servicio en el Regimiento Alcázar de Toledo y posteriormente en Unidades de Caballería, Dragones de Santiago nº 1, Almansa nº 5 y Farnesio nº 12, hasta 1965.
Las operaciones de reconstrucción, que han consistido, fundamentalmente, en la reparación de la torre, motor, tren de rodaje, relojes internos, asientos y elementos varios, se han llevado a cabo tras la utilización de alguna pieza de otros dos carros de la época, uno, depositado en la División Acorazada Brunete nº 1, Burgos, y el otro, en el Regimiento Alejandro Farnesio 12, en Valladolid, junto con la adquisición de alguna pieza a Alemania.
El proyecto de reconstrucción, que dio comienzo en octubre de 2004, finalizará el próximo día 21 del presente mes de Junio. El vehículo reparado, que pertenece al Museo del Ejército, quedará depositado en la Brigada Acorazada XII, El Goloso, Madrid.
El Panzer IV K PFW-IV H, fabricado en 1943, tenía una autonomía de 200 kilómetros, una velocidad de crucero en carretera, de 42 kilómetros/hora, un peso de 24.600 Kg y era manejado por cinco tripulantes. Podía transportar 85 proyectiles de 75 milímetros y 2850 cartuchos de 7,92 milímetros. Fueron construidas 3774 unidades en Alemania y su empleo, diseñado para batallones acorazados.

[Panzerknacker]

3 images of the Panzer IV in El goloso museum not far away from Madrid.

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[Librarian]

Thank you, again, honorable gentlemen, for your more than elucidable submissions! Due to your devoted effort and comprehensive persistence I was able to acquire the most informative insight into truly intriguing and for me completely unknown aspects of armored vehicles production in Spain. Once again, thank you for those posts and the very insightful information presented in the subsequent comments.

And now something completely different. Occasional findings of the commensurately unknown historiographic resources, sufficiently capable to fulfill the growing requirements of the web-community toward previously unexploited graphic materials, are representing a constant challenge for an amateur historian, but in the very same time a pretty hazardous effort, mainly due to the lack of sufficiently corroborated evaluation of those findings. Therefore in this specific issue I will ask you, honorable ladies and gentlemen, for your munificent help, because certain historiographic aspects connected with these materials are still ambiguous for me.

All presented materials have been publicly obtainable some sixty years ago, more precisely these snapshots were printed in a Hungarian edition of the notorious German illustrated magazine &quot;Signal&quot;, back there in 1944. Due to a pretty bleary description that escorted these snapshots I am begging you for the further explanation of those actions as well as for the identification of those personalities that are presented on these photographs.

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Parade in Madrid – El Caudillo is passing-on personally his good wishes to the decorated officers (&quot;Signal&quot;, U/Nr. 13 – 1944)

Do you have any information about those officers? Who are they?

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Parade in Madrid – Defile of the Excombatientes (&quot;Signal', U/Nr. 13 – 1944)

I am especially interested for the clarification of the following problem: are these marching ex-combatants actually volunteers of the famous &quot;Blue Division&quot;, or just ordinary members of the Falange?

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Parade in Madrid – Parade-March of the Infantry (&quot;Signal&quot;, U/Nr. 13 – 1944)

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Parade in Madrid – Glance Above the Melée (&quot;Signal&quot;, U/Nr. 13 – 1944)

The only positive fact connected with this snapshot that I know is that Franco’s wife, Donna María del Carmen Polo y Martínez Valdés is the second from the right. Her daughter, María del Carmen is sitting on her right side, and the wife of the Spanish Minister of War, Lady Asunsio is on her left. But who are those other VIP personalities?

If you know the answers, please don’t hesitate. Thank you in advance!

In the meantime, as always – all the best!

[Panzerknacker]

Excellent photo shots as usual Lib. I going to post the pic in a spanish to see if some guy can tell us more names.

[Natxo]

Well, I don´t know who are the other personalities. I can tell you that the excombatants are members of the spanish "Falange", falanx, wich was the party militia.

"Blue division" members wore the same clothes because most of them were members of that organization, and they were so clothed when they traveled from Spain to Germany, but later they used only german uniforms.

[Carl Schwamberger]

"Of course there are some people for whom anybody who fought for the Spanish Republic is a criminal. I suspect that the current government of Poland would have, at least secretly praised Franco and his junta as savious of the Catholic faith."

Ironically when the Germans occupied France they found many of the former Republican soldiers & other already imprisioned in France. Republican refugees fleeing across the border in 1939 were corraled in refugee camps by the French government, which feared disorder. Those deemed politically undesireable or as possible criminals were kept in confinement camps. The Gestapo found them convientlly confined when it begainits activitys in Occupied France in July 1940.