Enemy at the Gates

[FW-190 Pilot]

I do not like the movie at all, its boring and the ending is the worst i ever saw. Its a war movie without any intensive action at all, at least i dont think there is any.

Storyline:
5/10 It is mostly predictable and boring

Effect:
7/10 The effect of German planes and bombers attacking russians is brilliant, it gives me high hope of the movie when they show it in the beginning of the movie. but again the movie disappoints me

Actors:
2/10 A robot could have acted better than the main character

conclusion, in the total of 5 stars, i give it 2 stars

[DerMann]

It was a good sniper movie, from what I can remember (saw it about a month after it came out, and haven't seen it since). Only thing is, most of the Russians have British accents O_o .

[South African Military]

It was a good sniper movie, from what I can remember (saw it about a month after it came out, and haven't seen it since). Only thing is, most of the Russians have British accents O_o .

Isnt the main actor British or something?

I thought it was a good movie when I saw it. It seems to be pretty good for being historically accurate, though I am not sure if the exact advents with that sniper happened, but that doesnt matter much. As far as I remember, I wasnt bored in any part of the movie. It really brings out the fact that the Russians where really fighting underground and bothering the Germans as they tried to advance. Id give it 4 stars out of 5.

[FW-190 Pilot]

no offense, SAM
but in the end, the german sniper just come out and let the russian sniper to kill him, i don think that is intense at all

the german actors are really bad that it spoils the story

when the bombers are trying to kill him, you know he is not going to die, and its not excited at all (good actions are even you know he is not going to die, but you feel the intense anyways)

too much development on the character, but i end up not knowing the main character much, so too much useless dialogs

this is just my opinion, it can be wrong, thanks for reading:)

[Gen. Sandworm]

I think its a good movie but just like alot of things its all Hollywooded up. :D The ended is nothing like what really happened. In real life they were a pretty good distance from each other and just had a general idea of one another's position. The german accidently bumped a peice of glass and a russian stood up and pointed and was killed right away. The russian sniper waited a few minutes and fired blindly into the spot that he thought he might be. Well turned out he was right. So he was pretty lucky. Anyhow thats the story I heard.

[South African Military]

I think its a good movie but just like alot of things its all Hollywooded up. :D The ended is nothing like what really happened. In real life they were a pretty good distance from each other and just had a general idea of one another's position. The german accidently bumped a peice of glass and a russian stood up and pointed and was killed right away. The russian sniper waited a few minutes and fired blindly into the spot that he thought he might be. Well turned out he was right. So he was pretty lucky. Anyhow thats the story I heard.

ah, so it was a real story. good, good.

[Cactus]

I thought I heard somewhere that the Russian soldiers alive today were po'd at the movie. They said that they had rifles for everyone and it wasn't as portrayed in the movie? Perhaps I misread but I believe I read it somewhere I will look for it later on. But Overall I did enjoy the movie for the most part. :D

[South African Military]

I thought I heard somewhere that the Russian soldiers alive today were po'd at the movie. They said that they had rifles for everyone and it wasn't as portrayed in the movie? Perhaps I misread but I believe I read it somewhere I will look for it later on. But Overall I did enjoy the movie for the most part. :D

Ya but I thought I heard that it was true that sometimes conscripts would have to charge, half of them with guns, half of them with no guns. Maybe all the people who charged with no guns were killed and couldnt bash the movie :(

[LargeBrew]

I remember reading an article about Zytsef ( poss spelling error) at the time Enemy at the Gates came out. He was embaressed by the media attention during the engagement as he was a media/propaganda darling. The Russian forces had many more snipers with higher head counts, many of them woman who where ignored.

This is the nature of wartime propaganda, the British had one called cat's eye's Cunningham a night fighter pilot with a high kill ratio. The Ministry of food pounced on him with the claim that he could see in the dark because he ate carrots. This covered two issues , fistly to get the general population to eat more veg than meat ( rationed ) and to cover it's RADAR programme.

[Commando Jordovski]

I strongly agree, many of the female snipers were ignored in Stalingrad and Russia alone. http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/1452/hammerandsickle3d1gg.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Firefly]

It was a good sniper movie, from what I can remember (saw it about a month after it came out, and haven't seen it since). Only thing is, most of the Russians have British accents O_o .

I thought it was a very diffrent movie. makes a change from the standard hollywood stuff. So what if they have British accents? You wouldnt have enjoyed it in Russian? Anyway the main German character has a US accent!

[Tsolias]

I liked the movie-didnt loved it.
I was reading the other day about prizes given in German snipers.
50 kills - a wrist watch
100 kills- a hunting riffle
150 kills- a hunting trip with Himmler :shock:

[LargeBrew]

Right so it was 149 then off to sick parade then

[Commando Jordovski]

no offense, SAM
but in the end, the german sniper just come out and let the russian sniper to kill him, i don think that is intense at all

the german actors are really bad that it spoils the story

when the bombers are trying to kill him, you know he is not going to die, and its not excited at all (good actions are even you know he is not going to die, but you feel the intense anyways)

too much development on the character, but i end up not knowing the main character much, so too much useless dialogs

this is just my opinion, it can be wrong, thanks for reading:)

Very well said, i agree with all of that. :D

[Hanz Lutz]

I liked the movie-didnt loved it.
I was reading the other day about prizes given in German snipers.
50 kills - a wrist watch
100 kills- a hunting riffle
150 kills- a hunting trip with Himmler :shock:

Hunting trip with wolf . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[StalingradK]

The fact of this movie is that it's a very very vague story altogether, no one really knew how it happen because there's a huge chance it didn't, now don't scream at me that I'm wrong but countless evidence proves that this was Russian Propoganda to give the Red Army morale, maybe a similar battle happened, but most likely not at Stalingrad

[Hanz Lutz]

Who knows ,but movie is good .

[StalingradK]

Who knows ,but movie is good .

Yes indeed :lol:

[Hanz Lutz]

Every country have propaganda. :wink:

[StalingradK]

State the obvious Claus :P lol

[american sniper]

yes it was a very good movie but i can not find a store that sells it i have been every where and no one sells it

[Commando Jordovski]

yes it was a very good movie but i can not find a store that sells it i have been every where and no one sells it

American Sniper, did you get the idea of having Vassili Zaitsev as your avatar from the movie "Enemy at the Gates"?, when i watched the movie when it first came out years ago i had never heard of the famous sniper from the Urals before.

[Cuts]

yes it was a very good movie but i can not find a store that sells it i have been every where and no one sells it

Try Amazon or Ebay.

[Commando Jordovski]

I actually really liked the music off Enemy at the Gates, its quite haunting and dramatic and was made by "James Horner".
Did anyone else acctually take not o the music in the movie?

[Unknown Soldier]

I asked the Great Patriotic War veterans, who wached this movie & were in Stalingrad Battle: Whether the events displayed were truthful? Well, here you are 2 greatest lies -
- There were NO commisars, shooting their own men.
- Russian Red Army HAD weapon. The people had not run to collect bullets from dead men's rifles.

[Hosenfield]

the biggest annoyance of this movie is that it proflagated the sterotype of commmunist dog human wave attack. there are scores of misinformed people that think the red army was 5 bullets and one mosin.

[StalingradK]

It didn't happen in most cases, but there were some times where they had to do that because of too many men and not enough supplies.

[Gen. Sandworm]

the biggest annoyance of this movie is that it proflagated the sterotype of commmunist dog human wave attack. there are scores of misinformed people that think the red army was 5 bullets and one mosin.

Actually this was probably a bit more common in the Penal brigades. They where mostly used for these type of attacks. Then flank them with your better equipped soliders.

[Prometheus]

I thought the movie was great. In response to the Soviet veterans who claim that they were always well-supplied or were never fired upon than their own officers, they were either officers themselves, or lying because of their resident pride in their former country. I've seen plenty of interviews with other vets that claim that there were plenty of instances such as this. Even Stalin once said that in the Red Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to advance.

[Rinx]

I do not like the movie at all, its boring and the ending is the worst i ever saw. Its a war movie without any intensive action at all, at least i dont think there is any.

Storyline:
5/10 It is mostly predictable and boring

Effect:
7/10 The effect of German planes and bombers attacking russians is brilliant, it gives me high hope of the movie when they show it in the beginning of the movie. but again the movie disappoints me

Actors:
2/10 A robot could have acted better than the main character

conclusion, in the total of 5 stars, i give it 2 stars

i give it 5 stars, my fav wwII movie yet,

[Nickdfresh]

I thought the movie was great. In response to the Soviet veterans who claim that they were always well-supplied or were never fired upon than their own officers, they were either officers themselves, or lying because of their resident pride in their former country. I've seen plenty of interviews with other vets that claim that there were plenty of instances such as this. Even Stalin once said that in the Red Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to advance.


I think there was a certain degree of greater symbolism in the film. While not every detail was 100% accurate, they were conveying a greater truth in that early Soviet doctrine against the Germans was both counter-productive and self-destructive, especially since the Red Army was led by inexperienced survivors of purges, or political hacks...

[Nickdfresh]

I liked the movie-didnt loved it.
I was reading the other day about prizes given in German snipers.
50 kills - a wrist watch
100 kills- a hunting riffle
150 kills- a hunting trip with Himmler :shock:

To bad Vice President Dick Cheney didn't get 150 kills as a German sniper.:)

[angform]

it´s a good sniper movie

[Digger]

It's just okay, but I must say Jude Law's acting is terrible. That's all I'll say about this movie.

Joseph Vilsmaier's Stalingrad of 1993 is a far more accurate and gritty portrayal of the battle. No Hollywood bullshit with this one.

Regards Digger:D

[Wolfgang Von Gottberg]

As I have read and researched:

-There was never an ace German sniper who was called in from Berlin to eliminate a Soviet sniper by the name of Vasilli Zeitsev (Or however you spell it)

-There were many more Soviet snipers with a higher kill count than Zeitsev.

-Basically, the Soviet Propoganda Machine took Zeitsev and turned him into a hero because they had none at that time.

[Chevan]

Well guy i didn't wish to notice this thread , but i must...

I asked the Great Patriotic War veterans, who wached this movie & were in Stalingrad Battle: Whether the events displayed were truthful? Well, here you are 2 greatest lies -
- There were NO commisars, shooting their own men.
- Russian Red Army HAD weapon. The people had not run to collect bullets from dead men's rifles


Joseph Vilsmaier's Stalingrad of 1993 is a far more accurate and gritty portrayal of the battle. No Hollywood bullshit with this one.

This one is true in this thread regarding the film.

Cheers.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Even thou this film is wildly inaccurate and all hollywooded up. I think it was a Western attempt to acknowledge the struggles of the Russian/Soviet people against the Nazi regieme. Hopefully spark interest in what happened in the east.

[Chevan]

ююю I think it was a Western attempt to acknowledge the struggles of the Russian/Soviet people against the Nazi regieme. Hopefully spark interest in what happened in the east.
Yes Gen , but what is strange why the this "attempt to acknowledge" has begin from the calumny to the Red Army and veterans which saved the Stalingrad ( and perhaps all the USSR) from the Germans henocide.
Not it's strange that ONE of the Greatest battle in WW2 was represented the lie in this film, where Red Army was showed as herb of suicidal idiot under commander of bloody NKVD.
In fact Red Army lost for this period 1 mln peoples - but the Germany ( whith its allies) lost about 800 000.
I think you have to agre this is not correspond the scene in the film like unarmed soviet soldier run to the Germans mashin-guns.
There is just single fact which really distrees me - this SHIT ( i mean lie scenes in film)become the basis of my favorite games CoD and MoH series.

Cheers.

[Gen. Sandworm]

.........
There is just single fact which really distrees me - this SHIT ( i mean lie scenes in film)become the basis of my favorite games CoD and MoH series.


Well at least it made for some good ways to waste time! :D

[Chevan]

Well at least it made for some good ways to waste time! :D
Not so good as if it could base on real facts.
Neverhteless i had a great enjoj when in first CoD defended the Pavlov hause in Stalingrad mission. This scene had a real basis in battle but not in this biased film.

[Egorka]

I remember I almost went nuts in that Pavlov's house... Imaging how it was in reality... I guess they did not have "reload mission" option.

[Chevan]

Yea mate, they hadn't the "game load"-option, therefore there were so much blood in Stalingrad.
But to the honnor of game developers the battle for Pavlov house was really existed. And they tryed to restore the atmosphere of Stalingrad as correct as it possible in PC-game.
Thank very much for this to them.

Cheers.

[Cojimar 1945]

What seems so bizarre is that German armaments production was so low until late in the war. Although the reichs soldiers were battling desperately the country was not mobilized for war. They would not have a chance with so few weapons.

The wehrmacht used less than 3,600 tanks in the beginning of operation barbarossa which is tiny compared to what the Soviets had.

[Panzerknacker]

Sorry to ask, but what the german armament have to do with this post ? :eek:

[Panzerknacker]

A very interesting part of that movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY_WRt4oAmA

[32Bravo]

Gentlemen, let's be honest. It's a good film/movie but as with most Hollywood movies, it is a little fast and loose with the truth. I am sure that there is, somewhere, a movie that is close to true events (I'm talking Hollywood here), but I have never seen one - and I have seen a good many.

Even when a (Hollywood)film is made from a book it is adapted to entertain. One must consider the marketability of the film. Of course there is much portrayed in the film which is false, but that is what appeals to the mass (in the first instance American) market. Consider, the bogeyman of the western hemisphere for the past fifty, sixty years, has been the USSR/Russia. Attitudes don't change over night. If the bogeyman has been demonised for all of those decades (and before, incidentally) it wont change for a long time. If the Russians are being portrayed, historically(as they are in this film), as the Soviet Union, then they must be demonized, how else does one justify so much B.S. that has passed before?... it's just the way of it!

There could be better films made of true sniper operations. At least this one demonstrated that the best weapon to use against a sniper, is a sniper (set a thief to catch a thief). It would require a good book to have a film made of it (so get writing), but then there is, still, the added 'artistic license' of the studio producing it - how does one deal with that?

I enjoyed the film, in the first instance, simply because Rachel Weis looked great in Russian uniform (I've never seen her looking so good) and, indeed, out of it - for a fleeting moment. ;)

[Vassili Chukolov]

The movie was okay. Much different from the book. I thought the would atleast have Major Konings hide under that scrap of metal, instead of walking out...

[arhob1]

the biggest annoyance of this movie is that it proflagated the sterotype of commmunist dog human wave attack.

There are many examples of:

(1) Russian punishment battalions being sent in a frontal attack to allow Commanders to test and identify where the German strong points were. Risk of death was very high as the objective was more reconnaisanec than to take land.

(2) Unimaginative tactics by Russian commanders lead to many frontal assaults on German positions. To the point that in the battle for Moscow Zhukov at one stage issued an order banning the use of direct frontal attacks.

May be it is an untypical stereotype but it did happen on many occasions particularly in the early stages of the war.

[arhob1]

Personally I liked the film as it showed a beat up city with corpses scattered around in a grim way - visually it reflected how I thought Stalingrad -probably was at the time. The fighting in the sewers etc also brought to life the grim struggle that took place there.

What I didn't like was the stupid love interest that Hollywood has to add to any film. When the main character is heading to the city and on the train sees the pretty woman I knew it was going to follow a standard Hollywood pattern. Stupid stupid stupid.

[Chevan]

(2) Unimaginative tactics by Russian commanders lead to many frontal assaults on German positions. To the point that in the battle for Moscow Zhukov at one stage issued an order banning the use of direct frontal attacks.
.

Well right this tactic were widly used in the 1941.
BTW tehe Germans also applyed this tactic in the 1941 for instance in the Leningrad , Moscow and even in Stalingrad)
In the Stalingrad the soviet tactic was to wear out the germans and do not let them to use the tactical germans advantage.Abd Germans vise verse tryed to capture the city by the one frontal attack.
The reason of germans defeat in the there was firstly the failure of that frontal attak of the fortified city.

[Croat]

enemy at the gates is a good movie but i think there could have been a lil' bit more combat it is a bit boring the only combat is betwen those two snipers

[royal744]

I thought it was a good movie. A damn sight better than the speudo patriotic dreck that was produced during WW2, but then the purpose at the time was propaganda and not necessarily inconvenient or uncomfortable facts. I thought the principal actors were quite good. The movie did a good job of recreating the "feel" of the horror of Stalingrad. I understood Saitsev was a real sniper and that the Russians had quite a goodly number of snipers, many of them women. The details probably don't matter so much as the overall feel of that city on the Don as a constant, desperate nightmare. The Germans were really dumb to pursue that chimera. The Russians suckered them in, nailed them down, then surrounded them and then slowly, very slowy, ground them down until Van Paulus surrendered. We will never know what a horrible hell hole this was. But I bet our Russian friends can tell us something. Here was a battle that from the German perspective really did not need to be fought - a quarter of a million men invested in a losing proposition - wow.

[cam77]

It's based on a true story. Do the research. If they changed the ending it wouldn't have been accurate.

Can't people just sit and learn. Why does every movie have to special effects and all that other shit?

[AllHailCesar]

It's based on a true story. Do the research. If they changed the ending it wouldn't have been accurate.

Can't people just sit and learn. Why does every movie have to special effects and all that other shit?

It's just good business.....for Hollywood.

[WW2Dude]

...Believe it or don't but I'm making an online comic version of this movie...Though I'm not the best artist.

It's one of my favorite movies...because it has sniping in it^_^ and because I like the story.

I decided to kill two birds with one stone and mix the story of Enemy At The Gates with the character images of my favorite online comic "Anarchy 2090"(It has nothing to do with anti-government stuff). The author of the comic was thrilled when I told her about this idea.

The characters you see are as...

Crow-Vassili

Kojie-Danilov

Sophie-Konig

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/167/scan0001pt3.jpg

I don't want to spam so I'll stop there

[Chevan]

...Believe it or don't but I'm making an online comic version of this movie...Though I'm not the best artist.

It's one of my favorite movies...because it has sniping in it^_^ and because I like the story.

I decided to kill two birds with one stone and mix the story of Enemy At The Gates with the character images of my favorite online comic "Anarchy 2090"(It has nothing to do with anti-government stuff). The author of the comic was thrilled when I told her about this idea.

The characters you see are as...

Crow-Vassili

Kojie-Danilov

Sophie-Konig


Good idea WW2Dude.
So when and where we could to watch this online masterpices?

[WW2Dude]

Well my friend, where else than Drunkduck.com?

This is one of three known online comic places I know of. The second is SmackJeves.com, and the most popular online comic site in the world is Tokyopop.com but that place is all manga and mostly pro artists post there. Every year Tokyopop holds a contest, the best manga gets published...easy? Hell no.

A manga is not all just random comics, Each book that makes up a series is a chapter and each chapter is 80 pages long. Anything can become a manga, Drama, si-fi, horror, action, and in my case WW2. My "4 Wars" story is awsome but I'm still working on it.

This is the link to EATG, I really SUCK and drawing wolves, so I'm gonna hold back on the comic untell I get better. I'm hoping to get a program that helps me make grade A comics.

Also, if i was to work on 2 comics...what story should I do? Saving Private Ryan? Band Of Brothers? Any story that you think would look good.

http://www.drunkduck.com/Enemy_At_The_Gates/index.php?p=238600

[tankgeezer]

I found this for you Chevan,, A Russian super hero.

[Chevan]

Oh russian hero;)Thanks mate
I have one more
http://www.usinfo.ru/c2.files/012.jpg
This is the real heroes, as they presented in the west media

[tankgeezer]

Tell us who they are Chevan.(looks like a cold day)

[Chevan]

I think you know who are they mate.
This is two hollywood morons that play the NKVD officers in the foolish "Enemy at the gate";)

Cheers.

[tankgeezer]

Dont know if I've seen it. My movie watching suffers these days. Is it worth the effort to watch?okay, back to the topic.

[Panzerknacker]

Better here :rolleyes:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2043

[tankgeezer]

Better here :rolleyes:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2043 Thank you my friend, I will give it due perusal today. right now, I'm going to the the new "Elizibeth" movie.I'll let you know how it goes, if its worth seeing. EDIT: I will post my thoughts on the movie Elizabeth "golden Age" in the movie section.

[Panzerknacker]

I think I going to skip that one. :rolleyes:

[imi]

Good film,with great visual&sound effects (I'm usually always see the movies at home,this one I saw in a movie)
Ed Harris is very good chosen character for the german Gebirsjäger officer,and also Rachel Weisz :P
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/entertainment/movies/2001_03/enemy_main.jpg
"hello my little friend,I hunting for You,and I catch You one nice day :)"

[Moreheaddriller]

Its a okay film with some good parts in it but at least its not the last drop that is the single biggest piece of crap war movie of all time