Best WW2 computer game

[Voluntary Escaper]

OK, here's one for the gamesters!

I suppose there are a number of different varieties, but here goes:

Best tactics/strategy game: Close Combat 2. In terms of gameplay and variety, CC3 is better but the historical context doesn't fit well. CC4 and CC5 are further gameplay improvements, but fighting over the same battlefield many times gets boring.

Best first-player shoot-em-up: Hidden and Dangerous 2. You have a 4 man team. Your own team, which you equip and command yourself. Not a Call of Duty "follow my leader" linear game path. You plan the attack yourself and can switch between viewpoints and issue orders. And you aim through proper iron sights, not a wimpy computer screen crosshair! Best of all, one round often kills you and there is none of this picking up convenient "health" nonsense!

[2nd of foot]

I have enjoyed CC2 for many years and have reinstalled it again. The only mod I have got to work is the GSJ for CC5.

[2nd of foot]

The only first person I have used is Counter Strike, but am pissed off with people killing me with a head shot using a pistol from across the board. The lack of concealment also narks my infantry mentality. Must not forget the invincibility of the AK47 and its accuracy.

edited to add more venom.

[Sturmtruppen]

Battlefield 1942

[Dani]

I vote for Blitzkrieg!

[Cactus]

Battlefield 1942

That game was all sorts of awsome. THen half my server lists went black on me and I could only play on like 5 servers out of every 30. Dunno So I got back into CoD:UO. 8)

[student-scaley]

Combat mission is fairly good, Coy to Bn level tactical simulator. Basic units are sections/squads. The gameplay is fairly realistic viewed from a 3D mode, you can zoom in/out and move the camera around. And for once most aspects of real war are realised. For example your section can hide behind a wooden wall but that won't stop HMG fire from affecting you. Furthermore, real tactics work! If you plan a proper Platoon Attack using the 7 questions format (you actually have to be quite sad to go this far but i have a lot of time on my hands) it usually works out. Also you get indirect mortar/artillery fire off board as well as on board. Truly a totally tactical game that really recreates WW2 era warfare (though the graphics aren't too fab, but gameplay makes up for it) at that level. A good game for all those budding Patton's/Montgomery's/Rommel's

[Crab_to_be]

Scaley, have you ever managed to get inside the computer's OODA loop?

[student-scaley]

Scaley, have you ever managed to get inside the computer's OODA loop?

?

[student-scaley]

I'm sorry old chap but i have no idea what you're on about :shock:

[Crab_to_be]

I felt like joining in with gratuitous army-isms. The OODA loop is a way of describing the decision making cycle. It stuck in my head because of the really really good video we were shown in during MTQ2, which didn't at all look like it was made in the 80s out of leftovers from other training videos. And because 'OODA loop' sounds funny.

O bserve - look at what the enemy is doing
O rientate - determine how it affects your actions
D ecide - choose your course of action
A ct - execute the chosen course of action

The length of the OODA loop is how long it takes to perform one cycle. If your OODA loop is shorter than the enemy's, you will gain the initiative because you act first - you will be 'inside his OODA loop'. The best example of this is in the Battle of France, where the French generals issued orders to units that reflected the situation on the ground up to 24 hours previously, giving rise to units that had been wiped out ordered to defend positions that were already behind the German advance.

Wow! That's quite a long post, considering that the in the previous one I was just going for a bit of an in-joke. D'oh!

[FW-190 Pilot]

cc2 is not world war 2 game though
i like battlefield 1942,

[2nd of foot]

cc2 is not world war 2 game though
i like battlefield 1942,

I think you are confusing games, CC2 is Close Combat 2 (A Bridge Too Far)

http://www.closecombat.com/about_cc/about.html

[FW-190 Pilot]

Battlefield 1942
hey if you play that game, we should play together somtimes

[Sturmtruppen]

Battlefield 1942
hey if you play that game, we should play together somtimes

so sorry,i saw you in pm,i can`t :( ,but if you want to play hoi2 in valkyrienet,i will be waiting :D

[Sturmtruppen]

oh i forget another great game!!!:


hearts of iron 2



http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=118

[student-scaley]

i never heard of the OODA loop, oh dear that's not very good for a chap whose about to be commissioned! :shock:

[FW-190 Pilot]

cc2 is not world war 2 game though
i like battlefield 1942,

I think you are confusing games, CC2 is Close Combat 2 (A Bridge Too Far)

http://www.closecombat.com/about_cc/about.html
oic, haha
never heard of that game, thanks

[festamus]

I have to concur with Close Combat 2. Truly brilliant. Never did get 3 to 5 though.

If they could just make a first person game that models the behaviour of troops like that, instead of predictably crap AI, I'd be a very happy man. I mean, CC2 wasn't perfect, but at least you could use your machine gun teams to give covering fire as your rifle sections moved into position. Or to stay in cover and there get your mortar to nail the Germans as they cross open ground.

Letting your PIAT's hide in a three storey building waiting for a Panther to drive past and show his rear armour was also fun. :)

[Voluntary Escaper]

Close Combat 4 and 5 allowed the movement of battle groups across the battlefield map. CC4 was good because you had to plan the movement carefully to avoid bottlenecks. I found the points system in CC2/CC3 unrealistic as you could, for example, spend all the points in CC2 on a 17-pdr for the Airborne forces - they certainly weren't dropped by parachute but may have been borne by glider.

[festamus]

Yeah, the points system was a bit on the naff side! It stopped you putting realistic forces into the fray.

Was never too much of a fan of 17 pdrs either, given how vulnerable guns were in the game - they seemed too much like one nice big expensive target which could take all the serious anti-tank capability out in one fell swoop! Or worse still, place your 17 pdr at the start of the battle at one street corner - so find the Germans just send their tanks another way. Meanwhile, the Sturmgrenadiers and Schutzen (if I recall the names correctly) start to move in on the gun. Mortars also used to make a bit of a mess of guns once their position was know, from what I remember.

[Voluntary Escaper]

Those b@st@rd German rocket trucks were the worst! :evil:

One hit and your high value piece of equipment was destroyed or lost its crew!

[2nd of foot]

I have played and enjoyed all except CC1. I think both systems have the good and bad points. With CC£ you had to work your way up to full command I also enjoyed the early battles with armour that was not all powerful. I would agree that the mortars have a habit of finding gun after one or two bombs and the AI has an annoying habit of finding concealed AT weapons (taking out a Panther with a Gammon bomb brings a cheer). Putting AT guns in building works well. I would normally put an AT in the big house in Goosbeck heights along with a Vickers. Also doing the same with the Arnham bridge map worked well. The game also taught ammo control and keeping a reserve as you could find your troops running out of ammo and if you have not kept a reserve you have problems.

4 and 5 moved to formation orbats i.e. the weapons that a formation had to hand not what the nation had in its arsenal. Also the use of air power came into the game. Off board artillery had arrived in CC3 but in CC5 you also got NGF. In CC4 the troop box was a bit rigid, in CC5 you had a little flexibility to change units around, just remembered in CC3 you could rest and repair units.

The game had its problems but on the whole it was very good and have not seen any WW2 game that could compare. The Homeworld AI that is also used in Dawn of War would probably make a better one?

There are also a lot of mod for CC but have only managed to get the SJG to work.

[DerMann]

Call of Duty United Offensive is pretty much the best game for sale right now (even with what they did to the poor Webley :'( )

Battlefield is by far one the most historicaly inaccurate games I have ever seen. The Americans use the Enfield, and it has five shots. I'm not going to go into it much, but it pretty much sucks weapons wise.

However there is a great mod for Battelfield 1942, Forgotten Hope. It is the most awe inspiring, realistic, accurate game about WWII I have ever seen. Only thing is the Enfield No.2 revolver the Brits have is trash. But you can get the PTRD if you're the Russians, and even the Boys .55 rifle if you're the Brits in some of the earlier battles. It is 1.7gb to download, but it is well worth it. The map pack has over 40 new maps :x

A good, fun game is Day of Defeat. It is pretty realistic and the weapons are pretty well done.

[South African Military]

Call of Duty United Offensive is pretty much the best game for sale right now (even with what they did to the poor Webley :'( )

Battlefield is by far one the most historicaly inaccurate games I have ever seen. The Americans use the Enfield, and it has five shots. I'm not going to go into it much, but it pretty much sucks weapons wise.

However there is a great mod for Battelfield 1942, Forgotten Hope. It is the most awe inspiring, realistic, accurate game about WWII I have ever seen. Only thing is the Enfield No.2 revolver the Brits have is trash. But you can get the PTRD if you're the Russians, and even the Boys .55 rifle if you're the Brits in some of the earlier battles. It is 1.7gb to download, but it is well worth it. The map pack has over 40 new maps :x

A good, fun game is Day of Defeat. It is pretty realistic and the weapons are pretty well done.

Tell me what is wrong with the webley in CoD UO? just wondering but that thing in the game has quite a punch.

[DerMann]

Well in my experience it take about 5-6 shots to the chest to kill one German soldier (even on easy mode). The Mk.IV is a scaled down version of the Mk.VI, and fires a .38/200 bullet (a regular S&W .38, but has been modified to be a heavier bullet) instead of the .455. I wish they had put the Mk.VI in because even though it was declared obsolete in 1932, many British officiers and crews still had them.

However, I'd still like to see a game with the Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver > :D .

[bigmac1197@yahoo.com]

First person shooter -- Medal of Honor

Tactical level -- Blitzkrieg (and that's coming from a big Panzer General 2 and 3d fan)

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

First person shooter -- Medal of Honor

Tactical level -- Blitzkrieg (and that's coming from a big Panzer General 2 and 3d fan)

MoA is a great 1st person shooter, Blitzkrieg was also a wonderful game, both on my top 5 list :D

[Caliber]

ok, not sure if theyve been mentioned so w/e

red orchestra - great game, very realistic. no crosshairs (use iron sights), tanks. its all ruski vs nazi. its a mod for ut2k4 so u need that to play it.

dod - u must know it. i play it a lot cause it runs perfectly on my pc. dod s is coming out and will be really good (i hope).

http://www.resistanceandliberation.com/ - looks promising, a mod for hl2, again ull need hl2 to play this. btw its not out yet, its in the works

[Gen. JoshM]

No question Call of Duty. :D

By the way, I know a lot of people are getting sick of WWII themed games, but not me. They Rock!

Also, I heard of this new game where you can be a U-Boat commander...looks awesome, I might want to pick that up! :)

[Cactus]

No question Call of Duty. :D

By the way, I know a lot of people are getting sick of WWII themed games, but not me. They Rock!

Also, I heard of this new game where you can be a U-Boat commander...looks awesome, I might want to pick that up! :)

I enjoy WW2 themed games as well. I don't see myself getting tired of them anytime soon. :P Do you have any regular servers you play CoD on?

[Voluntary Escaper]

Has no-one played Hidden and Dangerous?

I loaded up H&D2 again.

- It is very hard - one or two shots mean death.
- It is non-linear.
- You control a team of 4 (all controllable first-person) with the capability of issuing brief orders (movement and fire) using the number pad.
- The inventory is realistic, with weight limits and only 2 weapons.
- The scenarios range from Norway through North Africa and Burma to Europe.
- No crosshair aiming, it is all iron (or optical) sight!
- None of this instant health nonsense; you need a medic on your team with an aid kit who takes 10 seconds or so to heal a wounded character.
- You can select 4 characters (from 20 or so) with different skill-sets (shooting, stealth, first aid etc) who improve as the game progresses.

The downsides are limited:

- It is very hard and sometimes the enemy are too accurate (300m+ with a SMG or pistol).
- It is memory-intensive and slow-moving on occasion, sometimes slower than Call of Duty.
- The missions can be slightly bizarre, for example capturing a Luftwaffe general.

[Cactus]

I tried a H&D demo it was cool, however it just really wasn't my type of game. I am more proned towards the CoD type stuff. :D

[Firefly]

For me, best 1st person shooter still has to be Day of Defeat, graphics are a bit older but still good fun. I still fire it up on occassion.

Best platoon/company/battalion sized level of game - the CM series. Again the graphics are a bit dated, but there is no game like it and it employs the we-go system.

And finally the strategic side is TOAW, another oldie but still in my opinion the best strategy game out there.

[Gen. JoshM]

No question Call of Duty. :D

By the way, I know a lot of people are getting sick of WWII themed games, but not me. They Rock!

Also, I heard of this new game where you can be a U-Boat commander...looks awesome, I might want to pick that up! :)

I enjoy WW2 themed games as well. I don't see myself getting tired of them anytime soon. :P Do you have any regular servers you play CoD on?

Yes, I run a clan, GFH, that has 3 gaming servers. One 20 man SD public (rotational maps), one 32 man SD 24/7 Carentan, and a 26 man private. PM if you have Xfire, AIM, or MSN and I can give you the ips there. :)

[Commando Jordovski]

Call of duty, even though its an old game, i love it, i have downloaded a music pack from enemy at the gates even and copied that in the sound files.
Call of duty united offensive is also good, especially multiplayer with LAN, but of course , internet or lan i always get best scores heh heh.

[Commando Jordovski]

Very soon enough "Call of Duty 2" will be coming out on P.C, exposed to be the best War game so far with realistic graphics and attacks.
Just like the realistic charge on red square on call of duty, the producers promised it to be a full 5 star game.

[Commando Jordovski]

I also did hear "Medal of Honour" will be coming out soon, i seen the demo for that and it actually looks quite poor.
I would probably say Pacific Assault graphics look more better.

[Sturmtruppen]

For me, best 1st person shooter still has to be Day of Defeat, graphics are a bit older but still good fun. I still fire it up on occassion.

Day of Defeat!!!,it was my old love!.
I liked that game as hell :twisted: !.

It`s great,thanks for doing me remember firefly!.

do you know what is the last version of day of defeat,and if it`s with steam or what.

:D

[Firefly]

For me, best 1st person shooter still has to be Day of Defeat, graphics are a bit older but still good fun. I still fire it up on occassion.

Day of Defeat!!!,it was my old love!.
I liked that game as hell :twisted: !.

It`s great,thanks for doing me remember firefly!.

do you know what is the last version of day of defeat,and if it`s with steam or what.

:D

Still on steam now, they are doing an update to Half Life 2 style graphics. Still one of the best live shooters around I hve to say.

[Commando Jordovski]

Half life 2 really showed up the original half life.

[Commando Jordovski]

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/8074/cccpposter7xs.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Caliber]

Half life 2 really showed up the original half life.

u do realize the huge gap in tech. when those games were made.... its kinda like, hl2 showed off doom 1.......

[coach mcguirk]

For me, the best is Close Combat series on tactical level, actually never played cc1, but the rest rulez. still no game to match intense of combat like cc series. Russian team is making something that should be done on similar basis, but in 3d, think it's called wartime command.
in fps for me the best one is call of duty united offensive, as it combines the best of battlefield 42 and original call of duty. far out of those two.

[StalingradK]

Favorites:
RTS - Axis & Allies (2004)
FPS - Call of Duty: United Offensive
FPSRTS- Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30
8)

[Hanz Lutz]

Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 is nice game ,becouse have informations for all eapons axis and allied ,and informations for all units .

[Commando Jordovski]

Half life 2 really showed up the original half life.

u do realize the huge gap in tech. when those games were made.... its kinda like, hl2 showed off doom 1.......

True good point, there was a large year gap in making Half life and Half life 2.

[coach mcguirk]

Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 is nice game ,becouse have informations for all eapons axis and allied ,and informations for all units .

:? so does Close Combat 2, it has whole encyclopedia

[Hanz Lutz]

I don't know I not play Close Combat2 yet.

[drummerboy]

I would definatley go with Hidden and dangerous 2. I've played almost every major WWII shooter over $20. I own all the MoH AA's, CoD, CoD UO, Mortyr and Mortyr II, Brothers In Arms, and tested Pafic Assault, and Battlefield 1942. Only MoH AA and the CoD franchise can come close to H&D2.

[Hanz Lutz]

Mortyr is stupid i think so ,no offence

[Commando Jordovski]

Mortyr is stupid i think so ,no offence

I saw the Demo and thought it looked good and hired the Game and realised its rubbish.
Same with Mortyr 2, thats bugger all. :lol:

[Feldwebel]

COD:UO , Bia and sniper elite rull from my opinion :roll:

[Hanz Lutz]

You forgett The Punisher :lol: :lol: :lol: lol lol and Splinter Cell .... 8) 8)

[Cash]

Medal of Honor Frontline. :)

[Kevin]

Day of defeat Source, Cs Source, Call of duty 2 and Age of Empires 3. :lol:

[Kevin]

Ow yeah, and Brothers in Arms Earned in Blood :P

[Hanz Lutz]

Day of defeat Source, Cs Source, Call of duty 2 and Age of Empires 3. :lol:

Wha tis CS Source dont tell me please CS=Counter Strike :shock: :shock: why everyone play this stupid game on internet when you can use cheats and anyone dont know no PB nothing. :!:

[SS Tiger]

Day of defeat Source, Cs Source, Call of duty 2 and Age of Empires 3. :lol:

Wha tis CS Source dont tell me please CS=Counter Strike :shock: :shock: why everyone play this stupid game on internet when you can use cheats and anyone dont know no PB nothing. :!:

You get banned forever if you use cheats in Counter Strike: Source, Valve Anti-cheat bans cheats!

[Hanz Lutz]

I dont use cheats i play CoD MP on net,we have PB and no cheats in CS you will be banned for ever if they catsh you,in CoD when you connected with cheats PB banned you and everyone will know,also put in console /pb_plist and you will se who is cheeting bastard.

[HG]

Medal of Honor Frontline. :)

Amen. I must say that counter strike is not the game for me, I don't like games like that. I love Call of Duty and it is now my best WW2 game. I played Pilot Down and I must say that it is not so good as they said it was. The Gravics are not so good and the guns sug big time.

Well it will never make me put down my Call of Duty.

So Call of Duty gets my vote.

Henk

[Rinx]

Call of Duty 2 is great. Haven't played the 1st one.

I dont understand why you say counter strike, when the question is: Best WWII pc game??

[Kevin]

Yeah, sorry. don't know why i css said to best wo2 game. But Red Orchestra of Valvé, liked good.

Sorry if i make any language errors. My English is not so good :roll:

Gr. kevin

[HG]

Welcome mate and do not worry my English are also not so good I am Afrikaans from South Africa. :D

Henk

[CrossBones]

S!


My vote is "IL2 Sturmovick series", the best combat flight simulator game!!! :D

[Kevin]

Welcome mate and do not worry my English are also not so good I am Afrikaans from South Africa. :D

Henk

Thank you, :wink:

but, has somebody allready have Red Orchestra Ostfront 41 - 45 from Steam ?