The M4 Sherman Tank

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Pdf ,Dont worry i was not posting so many times so i can be mod, i know i never be a mod.
1) As it happens, I wasn't actually thinking of you when I made that comment - we have had a few people in the past who thought that because they had a large number of posts that entitled them to be automatically made a mod.
2) We also allow for the fact that people's behaviour can change. We've been looking to increase the number of mods lately as General Sandworm and Firefly are both very busy, and two of the people given serious consideration have been banned from this site for a short period of time.

[Panzerknacker]

Yep,, looks like they went through alright,,(whistles in the wind)


Hmm, honestly I dont think so, a 30 mm shaped charge is really small for penetrating 50 or 60 mm side armor.
The one used by the M230 Apache gun is quoted with 25 mm penetration in RHA.

[redcoat]

Hmm, honestly I dont think so, a 30 mm shaped charge is really small for penetrating 50 or 60 mm side armor.
The one used by the M230 Apache gun is quoted with 25 mm penetration in RHA.
The M789 HEDP round for the M250 30mm cannon is estimated to have a penetration ability in excess of 50mm at up to 2,500 meters

[Panzerknacker]

The M789 HEDP round for the M250 30mm cannon is estimated to have a penetration ability in excess of 50mm at up to 2,500 meters

:mrgreen: You both were right


The cannon is supplied with 1,200 rounds of ammunition and has a maximum rate of fire of 650 rounds per second. Its 30 millimeter ammunition is compatible with the British Aden and French DEFA 30 millimeter cannon. The usual ammunition is the M789 High-Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) round (see below), which features an armor-piercing hollow charge with a fragmenting case. The HEDP round can penetrate 5 centimeters (2 inches) of rolled steel armor.


http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/ah64_gun_firing.htm

Althought the cannons and cartrigdes in the Ah-56 are not the same as in the AH-64 the projectile does, I underestimate the power of the hollow charge :roll:

[aly j]

1) As it happens, I wasn't actually thinking of you when I made that comment - we have had a few people in the past who thought that because they had a large number of posts that entitled them to be automatically made a mod.
2) We also allow for the fact that people's behaviour can change. We've been looking to increase the number of mods lately as General Sandworm and Firefly are both very busy, and two of the people given serious consideration have been banned from this site for a short period of time.

Oh ok then, Is RS going to be one.
If RS is choosing to be a mod, I would need a protection of some sort.
Rs will rip in to me in that case.

[Rising Sun*]

You will often find mods on various forums (and RS* this is NOT an excuse for you to have a go here) ...

Moi?

I've been a very good boy in that area for a very long time. Although I think the forum is the poorer for it. :D

[Rising Sun*]

One doesn't need a uni degree to be smart (or knowledgeable rather, as that what we're talking here), one just needs a little initiative, interest, and to be willing to do a little reading as I really didn't learn that much about WWII at university. I doubt Rising Sun* did either.

You're right, I didn't learn much about WWII at uni.

As part of my arts degree I did a sub-major in history and pursued a couple of topics on WWI (food supply in Germany) and WWII (Hitler's mind, as far as I can recall with my mind which is probably in far worse condition now than Hitler's was in the Spring of 1945, and possibly even after he was dead :D). What I learnt I learnt mostly from my own research, and what I learnt from the uni course was that I had to research and support my arguments with evidence. There was no instruction in how to research or argue. I learnt to research and argue by being forced to defend my position.

And that, aly j, means that anyone who can read and think can teach themselves to research, especially in the internet age when Google reveals all to anyone, and that people who tolerate your vacuous posts in many threads are performing the same service for you for free that university teachers provide, which is forcing you to think, research and argue.

So stop whining about being a girl and not being smart (when in fact you are quite smart) and start researching and arguing to demonstrate or defend your opinions. Apart from anything else, you insult other women by hiding behind your claimed gender to excuse your stupidity.

[Rising Sun*]

Oh ok then, Is RS going to be one.
If RS is choosing to be a mod, I would need a protection of some sort.
Rs will rip in to me in that case.

No, I would treat you much as I have treated you, but with less latitude and tolerance than the mods have generously shown you so far because my bullshit and troll detectors are linked to an auto response system which you have already experienced.

You really don't want that auto response system to be invoked if I was a mod, so start posting at the level of your concealed intelligence to stop giving me a reason to become a mod, which I have been asked to be before.

The adults on this site, including me, are incredibly forgiving to youngsters who create fantasy identities and post nonsense, and you are not past the point of rehabilitating yourself if you stop acting like a troll. So, do yourself and everyone else a favour and stop jerking us about with your fraudulent girly stupid identity.

[aly j]

No, I would treat you much as I have treated you, but with less latitude and tolerance than the mods have generously shown you so far because my bullshit and troll detectors are linked to an auto response system which you have already experienced.

You really don't want that auto response system to be invoked if I was a mod, so start posting at the level of your concealed intelligence to stop giving me a reason to become a mod, which I have been asked to be before.

The adults on this site, including me, are incredibly forgiving to youngsters who create fantasy identities and post nonsense, and you are not past the point of rehabilitating yourself if you stop acting like a troll. So, do yourself and everyone else a favour and stop jerking us about with your fraudulent girly stupid identity.

RS, Im not lying about my identitie.Why would i create a fantasy Identitie.
Ok then RS, Tell me what sex ,age that you think i am.
Thats why i wanted protection cause i knew you'll act in this kind of way.

[Rising Sun*]

RS, Im not lying about my identitie.Why would i create a fantasy Identitie.

I neither know nor care. I'm not a psychiatrist. But you probably need psychiatric help. Or just a solid boot up the arse from a grown up.

Ok then RS, Tell me what sex ,age that you think i am.

I neither know nor care. I'm not a psychic. But you need to work out what sex and age you are, and start behaving accordingly. If you can.

Thats why i wanted protection cause i knew you'll act in this kind of way.

No, this is exactly what you wanted, pussy cat, so you could get a response and continue your increasingly unconvincing trolling and feigned girly stupid victimhood.

The only thing that hurts you, you attention-seeking little troll of furball effect on this site, more than being challenged is being ignored.

So it's time to be ignored, because you have become tedious, repetitive, unconvincing and generally you have given 26 year old women, women of any age, Australian women, and Australians of every age and gender an undeservedly bad name.

Find someone else to play with.

Game over.

[ww11freak34]

The Medium Tank, M4 was the primary tank produced by the United States for its own use and the use of its allies during World War II. Production of the M4 medium tank exceeded 50,000 units and its chassis served as the basis for numerous other armored vehicles such as tank destroyers, tank retrievers, and self-propelled artillery. In the United Kingdom the M4 was dubbed the Sherman after Union General William Tecumseh Sherman, following the British practice of naming their American-built tanks after famous American Civil War generals. Subsequently the British name found its way into common use in the US. Following World War II the M4 medium tank was used by the US until the end of the Korean War. Many nations continued to use the tank in both training and combat roles into the late 20th century.

[flamethrowerguy]

The Medium Tank, M4 was the primary tank produced by the United States for its own use and the use of its allies during World War II. Production of the M4 medium tank exceeded 50,000 units and its chassis served as the basis for numerous other armored vehicles such as tank destroyers, tank retrievers, and self-propelled artillery. In the United Kingdom the M4 was dubbed the Sherman after Union General William Tecumseh Sherman, following the British practice of naming their American-built tanks after famous American Civil War generals. Subsequently the British name found its way into common use in the US. Following World War II the M4 medium tank was used by the US until the end of the Korean War. Many nations continued to use the tank in both training and combat roles into the late 20th century.

Very nicely copied and pasted from Wiki. At least you know how to copy & paste...

[Nickdfresh]

The Medium Tank, M4 was the primary tank produced by the United States for its own use and the use of its allies during World War II. Production of the M4 medium tank exceeded 50,000 units and its chassis served as the basis for numerous other armored vehicles such as tank destroyers, tank retrievers, and self-propelled artillery. In the United Kingdom the M4 was dubbed the Sherman after Union General William Tecumseh Sherman, following the British practice of naming their American-built tanks after famous American Civil War generals. Subsequently the British name found its way into common use in the US. Following World War II the M4 medium tank was used by the US until the end of the Korean War. Many nations continued to use the tank in both training and combat roles into the late 20th century.


You're beginning to annoy me...

Next time you post here, have something original to contribute other than Wiki cut and pastes and stuff you don't own, but googled pics for!

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Nick - see war room.

[Jim Baker]

There were several versions of the Sherman in the allied inventory.

The Sherman 1 was first used in action in north Africa by the brits, it had the edge on Rommels panzers, was more vesatile and for the first time in allied armies packed a good punch while being survivable and very manouverable.

The Sherman was constantly upgraded and by the time it reached Normandy appeared as the Sherman 76 in the US army, the 76 while still not able to defeat a Panther/Tiger head on at range could defeat it closer in. A specially modified version was called the Sherman Jumbo, this had a lot of extra plate added to it and was quite formidable, there are numerous accounts of the Jumbo taking frontal hits from Panther/Tiger and surviving. Although there were only a couple of hundred Mods carried out.

The Brits did a Mod that put the most effective allied AT gun, the 17 pounder into the Sherman, thus creating the most effective allied tank of ww2, the Sherman Firefly. To carry out this Mod the gun had to be revolved round 90 degrees so that it basically lay on its side. This meant that the crew was reduced to 4 from 5 men and the gunner had to load left handed. For normandy each tank platoon would consist of 1 Firefly and 3 normal Sherman. The job of the normal Shermans was to distract the German armour long enough for the Firefly to engage the enemy. by the end of the war there was enough production to equip every sherman unit with Fireflies.

Another little known fact was that all versions of the Sherman had a gun stabiliser, making it much more effective on the move, unlike the Axis or even soviet vehicles. It was also extremely reliable and easy to maintain compared to the complicated Axis vehicles.

This made it a formidable weapon as there were always lots available as opposed to the Axis vehicles which were so complicated that they broke a lot. It was also built in more numbers than any other tank in ww2 and in my opinion the equal or better of a T-34 85.

A much maligned vehicle, undeservedly so.

Have a look:

http://www.britannica.com/normandy/week3/sherman01.html?ref=news0604nmview


Thank you Sir for a reasonable assessment. The Sherman was a successful medium design, and very effective when manned by well trained crews.